Half in the Bag Episode 48: Hansel and Gretel: Witch Hunters and Jack the Giant Slayer
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- čas přidán 16. 03. 2013
- Mike and Jay discuss the latest action fantasy films adapted from old timey fairy tales, and discuss this baffling recent trend.
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Man, the days when the big trend was turning fairy tails into gritty action movies seem so quaint now...
Tell me about it
We aren't getting any better now we have sony with it's monster movie cinematic universe and DC with it's awful movies every year because all the studios are like "turn everything into a franchise there is millions to be made from that" because they fail to realize that the only reason MCU is popular it's because they are actually good movies
And you know that if these movies where made now there'd be a studio calling it the Grimm brothers cinematic universe or some such which would make them extra pathetic.
@@ldmt1995 calling marvel movies good is a stretch. they're competently made, they look decent, and none of the characters are offensive or obnoxious. that's all that can be really said. they're like cinema mcdonalds
@@stpastabeard I completely agree there are fewer good marvel movies than bad ones at this point by now it's pretty obvious that they are one note but at the start they where more than decent not only with visuals but with character development the captain america and iron man 1,3 to me are quintessential hero movies otherwise they would have never been this popular and made so much money my point is other studios only see that they made money and don't understand what got them there.
@@stpastabeard That was probably more true in 2015/2016 and there is still a lot of trash that Marvel releases these days like Black Widow, Eternals, and so on.
But then you also have movies like No Way Home, and it’s actually great on its own even though I thought it would only be nostalgia bait.
"watch out anne hathaway youre gonna end up a witch" HOW ARE THEY ALWAYS RIGHT
It’s really unfucking believable
Yoooo wtf you are right
I was about to post a comment, but ya beat me lol
@@Joecbg100 beat you by almost a year
@@gray8885 you beat me by a day
10:48 - "Watch out Anne Hathaway, you'll end up as a witch"
October 2020: "The Witches" by Robert Zemeckis, starring Anne Hathaway as... a witch
RLM is the only place you can go for reviews where, "it wasn't shit enough" is a legitimate criticism
Very late comment but Ewan Macgregor says both 'I've got a baaad feeling about this' and 'the high ground' within 20 seconds at a point in the film. That's how I originally even noticed it was him.
Every day that passes gets us closer for the time that people will be nostalgic about these types of movies
These have the same tone and mood as D&D stuff, so I can see those types going for it.
To clarify, "Jack and the Beanstalk' was one shorter story from the longer canon of stories of Jack. Jack the Giant Slayer typically starts with the jack and the beanstalk story, minus the golden goose and singing harp and all that. Sometimes with a guardian spirit/fairy/ghost who explains that the castle was Jack's birthright.
Jack is then called upon to outsmart and kill various giants ravaging britain, often grieving relatives of the ones hes already killed.
But it isnt like the movie.
10:57 once again RedLetterMedia predicted it all: Anne Hathaway has been cast as the lead witch in Robert Zemeckis' remake of the 1990 movie The Witches
I love when Mike reenacts things
“We saw this film in a theater, while it was projected on a screen.”
Is that what theaters were like? From the Before Time?
Mike's action sequence is way too long. Did Peter Jackson direct this episode?
I saw Hansel and Gretel tonight and I couldn't agree more. I was expecting it to be horrible but actually kinda liked it. And I too thought of The Evil Dead while watching it.
Mikes sarcastic rant at the end always gets me.
Why do the main characters in both these movies look so insanely out of place.
Like Hansel and Gretel look like Blade extras and Jack looks like the "Hip teen" archetype
Newest movie trend: bland young adult romantic thrillers set in "unique" dystopias.
MrSnowy665 The villain also must be some sort of powerful figure, and go from calm, reserved, and boring to mustache-twirling supervillain at a moment's notice.
Also make sure that the lead actress has exactly 2 expressions: 1. mouthbreathing and looking in awe (looking more like a cow after lightning struck) and 2. cry-face
Nemesis Potato With this formula, a box-office success and multi-media franchise is guaranteed
John Beaird Precisely!
Well that lasted entirely too long
The fact that Jay says that women over 40 can only play witches and Mike brings up Anne Hathaway is crazy now that Anne Hathaway literally plays the lead in 2020 version of The Witches
It’s a satanic ritual in plain sight
Mike and jay have certain things that divide them: heroic classicism, wonder and heart for mike wins over the nefarious studio elements of cynicism, technology etc. I feel like jay is more concerned about the latter and doesn't excuse a movie just for having heart hidden somewhere. It shows that Mike in a sense is pessimistic about change and just doesn't give a fuck about the corporate stupid elements of films and just finds what he likes from childhood and hangs on to it while jay wants to change the system. Together, they make the perfect contemporary Hollywood critic, I love you guys so much
timkinss that's not what I said, please read carefully. I said excusing corporate meddling if a heroic element --heart--is hidden in the film shows that he doesn't expect there to be any dramatic changes in Hollywood and will enjoy what he can get.
But there is a sequel to Jack the Giant Slayer, it's called the BFG.
Tiger Toonist Big Fuckin’ Giant
I gotta disagree with the idea that The Chronicles of Narnia was put into production by the success of Harry Potter. I feel like it came from the success of The Lord of the Rings. Disney wanted their own LoTR-esque series, and adapting C.S. Lewis' (a good friend of J.R.R. Tolkien) family friendly fantasy tales was a natural choice.
@@Visitormassacre Thank god for that.
Narnia is boring crap. Never understood who can like it
I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. It was definitely made to capitalize on the Harry Potter train
@@salomaonplanetsaturn674 Excuse me, the films don’t do the story justice. It might not be on the level of Lord of the Rings, but don’t disrespect CS Lewis like that
Glad to hear Mike enjoyed the Jack movie. I loved it.
Hansel and Gretel is the perfect example of a movie that benefits from not taking itself too seriously
Well they nailed the Anne Hathaway witch prediction
I wonder if they cast Famke Janssen in this movie after seeing her performance in X-Men: The Last Stand, where it seemed like both her and the director thought Jean Grey was a witch, because obviously nobody on that set had ever read the Phoenix Saga
They really called it with Anne Hathaway playing a witch!
I love this series always great to watch and relax to.
Seven years later, and this statement holds up.
9 years later and I'm really wishing it was 9 years earlier
@@nunzioification 11 years later and im drunk on ciders suck my fuckin di
I could watch Mike do sound effects all day.
This episode has more continuity than the Star Wars prequels and sequels combined.
I know the golden compass / chronicles of narnia comparison was a joke, but I still couldn't help but be insulted. bravo!
Just watched this one; I laughed maniacally at Mike's Hansel and Gretel sword-throwing action impersonation and Jay's locked-on reaction shots. XD
The Brother's Grimm seems like an earlyish version of this story - though it didn't do so well.
Just as predicted, Anne Hathaway played a witch
So was hot buttered popcorn a real thing or were they bombarded with questions regarding the song from episode 47 where they destroyed Plinkett's TV (also titled : Hot Butter - Popcorn)?
I'm asking the same questions, but I tried putting in the website without the rlm at the end and it was selling for $5,500. A steal to be sure.
RLM has never had an sponsors as far as I know (Check out RLM Patreon video) but this was definitely just a joke.
it was real
2019/2020: the new trend is "what havent we rebooted or remade for the 20th time?"
I mean that's been going on since 2010 now the magic word is "cinematic universe"
When Mike is explaining why he liked Jack the Giant Slayer so much, Jay is looking at him with a "wtf...really?!?" expression. haha
The battle added at the end was wild and not expected, I enjoyed it.
One thing I couldn't get over watching the Jack the Giant Slayer movie was how every scene shot with both Ewan's character and Jack looked like it was filmed with stand-ins. They would flip back and forth with the camera during the scenes (particularly when they're up in the Giant's lair thingy on top o' the stalk and subsequent escape) and all I could think was 'those are stand-ins' and that Ewan didn't film half of the scenes his character was in.
Did anyone else notice this? I thought RLM would mention it but since they didn't maybe I was just imagining it.
Did they ever explain Rich Evans-Plinkett vs Mike Stoklasa-Plinkett?
+Xander Magne they are two separate characters
+Vorpals No they aren't... When did they say that?
on half in the bag
Vorpals Yeah when? Which episode? They're the same character as far as I know.
+DefinitelyNotOfficial Watch the Crystal Skull review trailer. It pretty much establishes that they're two different characters.
30:07 I love it when Jay tries to nod/keep a straight face.
When talking about where movies come from, they forgot another method: when a mummy writer and a daddy writer love each other very much...
That thing about Kristen Stewart and Anne Hathaway to become witches in future films. Hathaway played a witch last year already... Kristen Stewart remains for the prophecy to be complete.
It's 2021 and I just found red letter media. All I can say is AWWW LOOK AT BABY MIKE AND JAY!
10:50 Once again the Gods predict the future as Anne Hathaway was literally the lead in "The Witches"
A HORRIBLE CHOICE
Ha Anne Hathaway is literally playing the grand high witch in witches... they saw into the future
They point out how there's multiple actors from The Phantom Menace and Trainspotting, so I'm surprised they didn't notice that there were two villains from Pirates of the Caribbean movies.
The remake fairy tale trend is from nineties children / young adult literature. There was a big move to flip the fairy tale genre. For example there is a three little pigs story from the perspective of a wolf in pig jail who claims he just had a really bad cold and really wanted a bowl of sugar. I would assume the film industry noticed this after Harry Potter success.
10:45 They totally called Anne Hathaway ending up as a witch.
The beat-box sound effects around 17:00-ish were fantastic.
I have a soft spot for that Hänsel and Gretel movie... Guilty pleasure of mine
I really enjoyed watching Jack the Giant Slayer, especially with my kids.
An absolute madness that these boys predicted that Anne Hathaway would star in the remake of The Witches
String theory predicts these predictable predictions
Indeed it was, but most people outside of the horror community dont know about that film at all. The general knowledge regards TBWP to be the first because it sparked so much interest publically, while the CH film was released during the home video revolution, never got a theatrical release in the U.S., and faded into obscurity until the dvd release a few years ago. Good comment though :)
Wow! Mike and Jay predicted Anne Hathaway as a witch!
"Watch out Anne Hathaway... you're all gonna end up witches"
HBO Max: The Witches starring Anne Hathaway!
2020- Anne Hathaway plays a witch! Mike's precognition shines again.
What else have I watched this year?
Oh a Haunted House?
It's a close call on that one!
lol Best part
Lol, coming back to this video, the warning to Anne Hathaway about her future of playing witches came true lol.
The reason they make fairytale movies is because fairytales are public domain so they dont have to buy the rights for them. case closed
That, and the hundreds of marketing think-tanks that get paid to analyze cultural trends.
That’s just icing on the cake. The main reason is name/title recognition.
Good call on Anne Hathaway eventually playing a witch.
I liked the battle of coming up with the next great nursery-rhyme movies in the bonus video.
Holy shit Anne Hathaway is in the witches reboot in 2020
10:45 in 2020 Anne Hathaway is 38 years old and starring as a witch in "Witches" 😱
For some reason I find Jay's "ehhh" at 4:32 hilarious.
awesome episode, thanks guys!
Me too...at the beginning I really didn't care at all about HITB, but now it's actually one of my favourite shows about movies.
dark action versions of fairytales probably started with van helsing
Just a little correction the cheesa cake that is Beauty & the Beast with Kristin Kreuk and ''What's his face?'' is in fact a reboot of the 80' séries of the same name with Linda Hamilton and Ron Perlman... For the little that i was able to watch without gaging, it has more of a Smallville's Sci-Fi soap after taste. ^_^
And Amber Heard plays an evil witch in the saga of Heard vs Depp.
Watching this again in 2020 where Ann Hathaway plays the head witch in "the witches" remake
Ironically L. Frank Baum added a big battle sequence with two all-female armies and several other elements to the first Oz sequel, 1904's "The Marvelous Land of Oz", after the massive success of the 1902 stage musical adaptation of the original book. Even contemporary reviews noted that the female armies felt like something intended to be played by sexy chorus girls in a future stage production.
So it's not just modern adaptations throwing this stuff in. The original author almost immediately started finding ways to pander and writing it in when he found out how much money there was to be made.
Oh man i really need to see these films they look quite entertaining!
Before I saw No Country in theaters, I made sure I knew as little about it as possible. I knew that it had garnered critical acclaim, and that it was loosely a Western. That was enough for me, and I went in with no expectations, and I enjoyed it much more for that. The same could be said for 'Blood, and many other art house flicks. With say, a Star Wars film, I want to know what it contributes (or takes away) from the franchise; how and if it works within its genre.
I thought Bridge to Terabithia was a movie in the 1980's or something like that. That is well before Harry Potter. Oh, I see, there is some kind of remake movie more recently and it was a novel in the 70's too, are there any new ideas?
I rewatched this episode today and you guys weere soo right. Anne Hathaway did play a witch in The Witches remake. You called it. No roles for an actress over 40 except for a witch. Hahahaha
HOLY SHIT ANNE HATHAWAY DID END UP PLAYING A WITCH :0
The extra layer of antithesis just made it that much funnier to me, haha
I'd like to contribute to the conclusion of the episode by mentioning the TV show fairy tale drama that people seem to be going crazy over. (I forget the name) It may be inconsequential on the movie scene, but is possibly something to consider.
Isn’t it funny how Anne Hathaway is now the main witch in that movie witches.
Hansel and Gretel is the best fairy tale remake ever.
I think it's more complicated than that. When it comes to fantastical creatures in cinema, there has never been a time where I could not tell what the effect was. For example, I could tell that the trolls in The Hobbit were CG, just as I could tell that the creature in the Thing was animatronic; and both looked fantastic. The real issue, I feel, with CG is the animation itself, and getting it to sync with live action footage.
8 years later and Anne Hathaway is starring as a Witch !!!
Funniest pratfall I've seen in a long time!
Because it's more fun to dissect genre films. Art films have their place, and can be great to discuss in terms of theme and subtext, but it's much more difficult to do a proper review of these kinds of films without spoiling them somewhat. Try reviewing No Country for Old Men or There Will be Blood without talking at length about the film's plot or concept. It's usually best to go into those films completely fresh anyways.
Jennifer Lawrence is back for sure, that's why you make contracts at the beginning of a film series, in case the career of one of your actors takes off.
Remember all the reports that Natalie Portman did not want to appear in the new Thor-movie after she won the Oscars, and then was forced via contract to star in the sequel. Same could happen to Jennifer Lawrence.
Enjoyed the video and the commentary, with the exception of downing Abraham Lincoln:VH. I understand where they are coming from about it perhaps being "too serious" and "not campy enough" for the big screen, and I might have agreed, had I not read the book first(the book was awesome by the way). So I am left to assume that no one in your group actually read the book the movie was based on, or perhaps you aren't even aware it was a book first, then an movie. One of the great things about the story was the serious, biographical nature, of the book, and the method of tying real historical events into the story line in a creative way. So comparing it to Hansel and Gretel or even attempting to say it falls short of "Evil Dead/Army of Darkness camp and fun" is like comparing Naked Gun to The Bourne Identity..they aren't even the same genre.
They were discussing the film, not the book, which is what you're defending.
I realize they are discussing the movie. I didn't bring up the book to say "this movie is awesome, what the heck are they thinking!" I brought up the book because I was just attempting to point out that one of the reasons so many people had an issue with the movie (which was admittedly not the best) is because they went into it expecting comedy horror (because with a name like Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter, what else could it be, right?), but the plot was never meant to be comedy horror, so comparing it to that genre is problematic. I wasn't attempting to "defend" anything, just offer information on why Abe Lincoln did not have "enough camp," seeing as it wasn't intended to have camp or comedy. Don't get me wrong, I love their reviews and discussions and usually agree with them and eagerly await the new postings. The group is awesome, in this case I just wanted to point out they may have overlooked a few details, because they are usually pretty thorough in their discussions and movie knowledge, which is one of the things that makes for the awesome reviews.
Does anyone feel that these movies are all trying to be Lord of the Rings? It feels that way to me.
10:58 Spot on with the anne hathaway prediction. she was in the new terrible witches movie
Even before Mike says anything, he makes me want to laugh.
The Oz the Powerful part made me realize I am living in the movie Idiocracy. These guys should review Idiocracy.
I can’t believe no one has mentioned that fairytales were originally a lot darker than the stories we know.
Well the problem is that people are familliar with the more recent versions of them(19th onwards)were they were toned down by the storytellers.For example,in the older versions of the Red Riding Hood,the girl gets eaten by the wolf.Such ''versions'' wouldn't do well in the humanist age of Romanticism.
@@hebanker3372 Or how about the original Sleeping Beauty? Yikes. If you like old school fairy tales, look up the story The Willful Child by the Grimm brothers. I used to read this to my daughter all the time & she loved it! Lol It's really dark. We have an odd sense of humor.
Edit: The Willful Child is very short. I'm not recommending some crazy long story. It's something like three paragraphs.
@@DarlingDaintyfoot Thanks,I'll give it a shot.I for one suggest you check Bluebeard,if you hadn't already.A very sinister fairy tale with an even more sinister inspiration.
@@hebanker3372 I went & read it immediately! Lol What was even better was one of the morals cited from a book written in 1899.
"Apply logic to this grim story & you will ascertain that it took place many years ago. No husband of our age would de so terrible as to demand the impossible of his wife, nor would he be such a jealous malcontent. For what ever the color of her husband's beard, the wife of today will let him know who the master is."
What a sense of humor! I'll have to look up the inspiration. I also strongly recommend The Juniper Tree, once again by the Grimm brothers. I have a big book of their original stories.
I hate to be "that guy", but Jack the Giant Slayer is actually based on a different fairytale including Jack and giants. It's called "Jack the Giant Killer" and it's about a guy named Jack who goes around, you guessed it, killing giants. It's a classic.
loved hansel and gretal, always hoped for a sequel but looks doubtful now
I kind of wish that Hansel and Gretel: Witch hunters was set in the weird desert that featured in the epilogue.
But those small discussion are so insightful I would love it if they expanded it with more frequent discussions. Perhaps even with a whole new show, not even necessary with Jay (though I wouldn't mind).
It's not absolutely necessary to have a new show, I just don't know if Mike would want to include these kind of discussions on Half in the Bag (I wouldn't mind it if he did). But whatever those are my two cents.
I can tell you the exact catalyst for these dark fairytale movies, the 2005 Brothers Grimm movie.
What about Van Helsing in 2004
10:45 lmao now shes the grand high witch
Hansel and Gretel was better than I thought it was going to be........and that's all
Funny watching this again years later. "Kristen Stewart and Anne Hathaway, watch out, one day you'll also be witches". Well predicted Jay, one down, one to go.
I loved the hansel and Gretel movie. Where was that version when I was growing up
I love this show! :D
Called it: Anne Hathaway is now in the the movie Witches.