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Bought a set of 5 through Gap in Dec. Purest irons I’ve ever hit. Long, penetrating flight but still getting 6,000 revs on a 7 iron. No issues with hot spots or jumpers like with my i500s. Very happy so far.
I just ordered - being Left-handed in Thailand makes it an effort - but Mizuno Thailand took care of me and can't wait for them to get here.
I was fitted for some Mizunos, but the Callaway Apex DCB just gave me more forgiving, distance and feel was outstanding.
Hi Andy. I am playing the 223 from 2 years ago (243s today). Best clubs I have ever had. Expensive yes, but for me they are in the bag for 8-10 years before I change, so actually cheap over the years.
Yes I love that model
I had the HMB, upgraded to the 225 (love it), and the 245's are very tempting. Nothing else I've played feels as good as a Mizuno iron.
Try Vega you get a even better feel
I’ve been buying Mizuno 245 single irons from the set as I can and they’re incredible irons. Love being able to see them in the bag and am sure they won’t go out of style for years. Thanks for reminding me why I got these beauties!
I finally got around to playing the 223s and they are pretty dang smooth, took a wee bit to get adjusted to (used to play Wilson TN-1200 Gear Effect from about 1987) and now I'm finding the "groove" with them.....fun clubs!
There are so many excellent DTC clubs out there, price! Look at the Ben Hogan line some of the most beautiful irons available! Thanks Andy
They have been in my bag from February. Noticed a big improvement in my scoring. Very happy.
I bought one of the first sets of 245s in town! Love them! Upgraded from MP18 MMC and am seeing higher ball flight, more distance, and more forgiveness. I’m a single digit, and they looked so good I had to go with the extra forgiveness, power, and Mizuno feel.
I went to a fitting fully expecting to find these the best for me, but the fitter gave me the JPX 923 Forged to try first, and that one felt unbelievably good, with excellent spin, landing angle, stopping power, dispersion, etc. In comparison I found the Pro 245 hard, clicky, with less consistent distance. It just didn’t perform as well for me as the older, cheaper JPX 923 Forged, which was also better than the TaylorMades, Pings and any of the other brands and models I tried.
I had the opposite experience. Now I didn’t buy any, I was curious how they felt against each other. And for me the forged was soft, but I lost distance. The 245 I was bombing and getting more spin where it didn’t roll out. i didn’t feel a lot of control though from the face, it was just hit and see where it went even when trying to hit draws.I currently play the jpx 850 and chose them over the Wilson c100 which they cost me 15 yards. But I’m feeling it’s time for an upgrade. Just haven’t dedicated the time to get fitted for a specific set
I play the mizuno mp20 hmbs so the early version of the 245s and 225s and love them. Try and take them out of the bag from time to time but keep on putting them back as amazing.
What’s the main difference between those and the 245s?
Another factor to mention is the pricing. Here in Sweden they are about 18000 or 1325 gbp, and thats a huge factor for many golfers.
Exactly. Mizuno is considered so expensive most golfers don’t even look at them.
I just had a titleist fitting and a mizuno fitting, the mizunos felt and performed better for me and they were cheaper.
Well Andy you will happy to know I ordered a set yesterday 😀 beautiful irons.
Went with the 241s (PW-6). Loved the look, feel and sound of the 241s much much more. True, I lose a bit of distance, but will make the trade off all day. Third set of Mizunos for me.
I got the previous ones 225s because of how they looked, changed them rather quickly to Takomo 301 CBs. The 225 were to big for me and went to far, no length control. Loving the Takomos and playing the golf of my life in my early 60s! 🙂
Great to hear!
i tried these and loved them but they are so exspensive
I have the 225s and I love them best irons I’ve ever owned but somehow Mizuno improved on them with the 245s. I can’t believe they made them more compact with even better feel and more forgiving and I got the same distance with better spin. I won’t be upgrading I’m a new set every 10 years guy but if I was buying they would be at the top of my list
I have a lot of mizunos, but I love the MS-5 from the 1980s, proper lofts and feel amazing
MS 5 are in my bag,love them.
I play off 6 and I've just ordered my 245s irons I did want the 243 but you can't get them left handed. I did add 2 degrees of loft on the whole set as I didn't want them to strong. Once I hit them I thought 100% I wanted them
They’re in my bag! I can’t get over how high I hit the 5 iron. I actually decided to throw the 4 iron in the bag. That’s how easy they are to hit high. Mizuno feel and looks too!
I bought a full set of 223's last season, changed from Callaway XHot Pro and have never looked back. Interesting when I stand on the tee using my 7 iron opponents are pulling PW or 9 irons, I have the control they lack. Wish I had purchased Mizuno's years ago.
The problem is that this year the hollow body iron market is packed with really great clubs. 245 is a great club, but so is i530 (more marketing), T200 (again more marketing), P790, P770, PXG, Srixon ZX4, Cobra King Forged TEC, Apex Pro and that is just naming the bigger brands. And they are all pretty clubs. The competition in the hollow bodied market is insane this year.
I have the original HMB’s full set 4-PW and I have to say I will never change. The 245’s may be better nut I love my old HMB’s and they also look fantastic in the bag. Thanks Andy
I’ve got the 225’s after a fitting, head and shoulders above all other clubs I tested, price was a bit eye watering but I plan on having them a long time.
Mizuno doesn't market to the masses. They are well known among mId to low handicap golfers, but are on the expensive side ($1600) and perhaps the Pro line also has a bit of an intimidation factor.
p.s. Luke Donald is playing the 245s too
I think that's exactly it. Good players that are familiar with Mizuno put them in the bag and don't change clubs that often. Higher handicap golfers are intimidated by the brand because they have always been marketed as a better players irons and they aren't going to spend that kind of money on clubs that they think they aren't good enough to play. Mizuno has never been a company to market their clubs rather they rely on their reputation to sell their merchandise, at least in the US market. When I was stationed in Japan they marketed their clubs pretty well but golf is more a status symbol there so it really, matters what's in your bag when everyone has Miura, Honma, and other super expensive forged irons.
I inherited a used set of Callaway Edge (ones sold at Costco) then upgraded to a Cobra Speedzone set. I borrowed a friend's Pro 245 to try a 9 hole. I can tell you it was a huge upgrade/improvement from the Cobra speedzone. I'm currently looking for a new P/5/7/9
Very simple answer for me--My PXG 0211s were about half the price for the same type of club and were easy to get custom fit. I'll always go for the performance I want at the lowest price possible.
Yes PXG 0211s are one of the biggest bargains out there
Same here. My 0211s simply work and feel petty good doing it. I used to play forged Mizunos and they were butter, especially on center strikes. So I have little doubt that these new Mizunos are softer feeling than the 0211's but are they twice the price better? My money said no.
Anybody walking around with a bag full of pxg should be embarrassed of themselves. Catch a clue, grow a brain and find some class
@@rasweldon4644 Trolls should be embarrassed of themselves. Sorry you have such a sad life.
What the pxg rednecks don't understand is that they are made fun of when they're out of earshot.
I had MP20 irons few years ago - beautiful clubs and playing them well is why we play golf
Ordered my set of MP-245s last week. They were the best fit for me.
Hello Andy. You are damn right. Marketing is the name of the game. Other brands spend huge amounts to get key player using their clubs. 😊😊😊
I have these irons and I’ve played forged tec x’s, apex 21s and these are the best feeling and best distance control by far also they look so damn good in the bag.
Have had them for 14 days and they are absolutely great golf clubs. They look like blades and are incredibly forgiving with proper decent angle to stop on the greens. Paired with Mitsubishi MMT's and they feel great together. Smart enough to know I should not use a blade, best of both worlds here, length, forgiveness and very workable. Very happy.
I use the 225 and still couldn't find the reason to change them.
Back on the fitting day, the seller wanted me to fit me with 221 and 223 so bad that I couldn't understand why but just kept playing along. Soon as he took his eyes off me, I assembled 225 with DG X100 shaft and I couldn't be happier.
So I'm wondering the same thing about 245 too.
i wanted to try it at my fitting, however the 245 pro was broken. i did however test, p790, jpg983 forged, apex pro, t200, i530, pxg311. i ended up choosing the i530. Really close second was the T200. I loved the feel of that iron. but the i530 checked all the boxes and was more consistent for me.
I got a set as soon as they became available, I absolutely love them.
When I played golf in my yournger days, I had a set of the Mizuno T-Zoid,
I just had a fitting and the 245 was easily the best performing out of the tons of configurations I tried.
I loved the 225s and couldn’t wait to get my hands on the 245s so I ordered them directly from Japan early. Simply outstanding irons.
Wow that’s keen!
I played the PING I230’s last year and they were great irons. I tried the Mizuno 245’s and immediately ordered a set. They are longer, fly higher, feel better, and are more forgiving than anything I’ve ever tried. Arguably, the best looking irons in the category of players distance irons. At $200 a club, they are pricey. I would suggest that golfers give these a try if they are looking for more out of their game. I was not disappointed.
From reading the comments there seems to be a split between those who have tried the clubs absolutely love them and are prepared to pay the premium whilst others dismiss because of the price. I am glad you are enjoying your clubs Kevin
I just got the 243s and love them and if I wanted to go back to players distance I would go 245 all day as they actually have some feel unlike most of the other clubs in that segment.
The Mizuno 245"s are the best iron I've ever hit. The feel and control is better than I had hoped. I was playing the JPX921 Forged, but these are longer, softer and overall better.
I own a set of the JPX921's, which I absolutely love. Are the lofts of the 245's comparable throughout the set?
Upgraded from MP18 MMC’s. As a Mizuno fanboy I tried my hardest to get these or anything else from Mizuno, but the new P790’s just gave better more consistent numbers every time I tested them. Hour long fitting confirmed it was Taylormade for me.
I got the 243. I like the size of them and I’m not a blade player. 245 I did not consider because they are simply too strong. I don’t need my 7 carrying 195. 243 is forgiving enough and easy to hit. They were worth the upgrade.
These are one of the best. Got them 3 Weeks ago After waiting month because of the lack of delivery. They are awesome, with oban shafts incredible. A major difference to my 225, which were very very good
Interesting you think its a leap forward from the 225
I think it depends on the weight in the club. For me it gives me more control and that means a more calm back- and downswing. Now a regular shaft instead of a stiff one, i am 59 and don’t get faster, even gets me 3-5 meters distance, but that’s not what i‘m looking for. In my eyes a wonderful product👍💯🙏
@@TheAverageGolfer… and what i forget to mention, your voice is outstanding. Unbelievable🤟
I did try the 225’s when they came out which was a definite improvement over the T300’s. The Miura Km700’s came out and even though I’m a 15 hp I thought I’d give them a try. Blades fully forged with large sweet spot and butter feel. Don’t think I’d give that up for a Mizuno.
Yup i got a brand new set of Miura TC-201's 4-PW last October for $1250 they're never coming outta the bag especially not for hollowbody irons btw I almost got the KM700's
im a 18 handicapper. bought a 241 cuz I wanted to improve my ball striking skills. very glad I did this
18 handicap and play 241 😂, why you lying?
I bout the Pro 245 but I got them only $900 and they the best clubs I’ve ever used. They’re very expensive tho. But man. Pure perfection
Andy.. I would guess that the reason is price point. Where PXG & Willson Staff make great irons in that bracket and for a little less.. I guess it depends on ones taste and what fits one's eye....
Yes it seems a constant response, many feel the same 👍
I played Mizuno Pro 225 and i love them.
I had the 225 and replaced them with the 245. Great irons. Best looking in the segment, backed up by performance.
Hard to disagree
Great video! How would your compare these Andy to your PXG 0317 T or the Gen 6 0311 P?
The 0317T are softer and smaller heads, they are more online with the GEN06
I play off +1 and moved into 245’s this year. They’re incredible
I’m not worried about cost I play 921 hot metals… I’m just not sure at a 12 handicap I’m good enough to play them?
@drewpee7 do have great short game and poor ball striking? Do you need wide sole? I'm the opposite (decent ball striking, weak short game, can't play wider sole irons) and so even at a 13 Hcp the Mizuno Pro 225's were very comfortable. Also a comparison to Titliest irons if any help in calibrating: the T300 sole too fat, the T200 pefect - similar to P225's and the T150's just a bit scary size wide and unforgiving. But at that much money do get fit!
Best irons I've played, and I've played almost every brand, were a set of Mizuno MX-20s. I almost never tried them because of their size and offset but so glad I did. Now every iron I try I keep comparing to them. My current set, Callaway Apex 21s are close. I am going to try the 245, 243, and Srixon ZX5 this week. I swear if I could find a new set of MX-20s I'd buy them in a heartbeat. The sole grind on the MX model was perfect for my swing and conditions where I play. I can't find any great images of these new Mizunos to compare which is why I'm also looking at the Srixons. I really like their "V" sole for playability.
I have a set of MX-20s that I got 2nd hand as a junior. Quit golf for 12 years and started playing again 3 years ago. Got the MX-20s re-gripped and have loved playing them over the last 3 years. They're still in great condition, despite being around 20 years old. Lucky enough to be getting a set of 245s in 2 days. Will let you know how they compare. 🫡
would play them, good enough for Luke Donald then good enough for me. i’m wondering if his lofts are bent traditional (and if any bounce needed to be tweaked bc of it), which would max out my interest in them…
Pretty simple really: price. When I got fitted for my irons, I tried Titleist, Cobra, Ping, Mizuno and Wilson. The Mizunos were head and shoulders above the rest, but so was their price. I went with Wilson, which were almost 40% less than the Mizunos but not far off in every other regard.
Mizuno are usually priced less than the Titleist Ping level though? Wilson’s are looking really good though
@@ILoveGreatThings For 4-PW they are about 350€ more expensive then the current Titleist lineup at normal prices
I really like what Wilson is doing lately. Started playing on Staff blades and the newer stuff looks like a modern version.
@@waywardwest I'm gaming D9 Forged. I love the look of the new Staff CB, but I'll stick to the ones I have for a while yet.
Wilson D9 forged with graphite shafts worked for me after trying everything. Brilliant clubs at a great price.
They are gorgeous looking irons, no doubt. I would definitely buy them if I needed a new set. I'e been playing the Mizuno JPX series irons for the last 6 years but they just won't wear out.
Thats good news
@@TheAverageGolfer😂😂😂😂
im getting fit this Fri and in order Ill be hitting Pro245, P790, i530, and zx5, hoping 245s will win!
And how was it?
@rsubowo not a TM guy but 790s went little higher and spun more than others which I need, was hoping 245s would win out. May compare them both side by side another day and decide. 530s didn't spin enough 5 me and didn't try zx5
I saw in aan article that brand new drivers cost about 96 bucks to make. How much are the 245s?
I think they look incredible. I would go for a fitting for them if they weren't so expensive and power spec lofts. I just struggle with how little spin I get. Do you find this ?
Not with these tbf
I had the same reservations as you about the strong lofts (Pro 245 AND JPX 923 Forged), but I found I got plenty of spin with these newer clubs. I recommend you try the Pro 245 and JPX 923 Forged head to head and see which you prefer. Try a few others too. For me the clear winner was JPX 923 Forged.
I was going to buy them but went for a pxg fitting and bought them
These seem similar to my old bridgestone irons nice blade shape/size with a little cavity
Stunners
That's exactly why I play Wilson Staff CB and blades, And. They also "make you feel like a better player than you actually are" and the "false hope" they offer is that some day (maybe only one day), you'll be good enough to justify them 😂
For me it’s price. I’m not worried about tour pros. I’d buy the Wilson Dynapower Forged for much less, as they perform much the same (watched a comparison of those irons on YT just yesterday!)
I don't have that kind of dough!
Takomo 201 are considerably cheaper and perform amazing!!
I do play the new Ping G430 Max only because I was able to get it last year for $250!
Got fitted 2 months ago, clubs only arrived yesterday. Mizunos sales reps and lead times are shockingly bad at the moment, with poor feedback.
However, well worth the wait. The MP245’s are awesome. Feel great, good forgiveness and look so sexy they should be X rated!!
Glad you finally got them but does seem to be some issues with Mizuno supply with this line up
Have the ZX5s.. don't see any reason to change to the MK2s😊
Better than 0317 T?
I'm going to buy a set and keep my 921F's as a nice backup. Then do a long term comparison.
I hit all of the irons from all of the best manufacturers and went with the ping 525i simply because I hit them the best but the mizunos were very close second
Hi Andy and cheers from Ottawa Canada. I noticed you wear a PXG hat and glove. Did you select these clubs or are you sponsored? I personal play an old set of Hogan Apex 2- L wedge. Prior to those, I had a set of Mizuno and loved them. Best of health to you. Keep making these amazing videos. 🇨🇦💝🙏👍
I have played PXG irons for the past 5 years Gerry but as of March they became sponsors of our travel series and as such I now use all there products, so I try to remain unbiased with any opinion which is hopefully recognised in our content 👍
High price is a start but yes, they are pretty great. ❤
Great vid, shot beautifully
Much appreciated
I play the 225's, the predecessor of the 245's. They are excellent and I plan to have them for years. Much competition in that space, but the Mizuno's won out for me. I think price is a little too high as well.
From my testing of them, along with just about every other iron in the hollow bodied category, they just don’t feel like forged Mizunos. They feel great, but compared to some of the others, not very different. The 243 feels better and actually perform better for a lot of people…
I love these and buy too much golf gear as it is. The price made me stop to think otherwise I've have them in my bag in jiffy
Honestly, the reason I’m not looking at a set of these is price. 1300 USD before tax and shipping is hard to stomach. When their competitors (and don't mean Takomo, Caley, Sub70, etc though they are good options) like the Ping Is and Blueprints, Titleist 620, Cobra King Forged etc are all around that 1000 dollar mark. Hell even with Mizuno itself you have options in the form of the hot metal pro and forged.
Now if you want a hollow body that looks like a blade these are hard to beat. But I've played with cavity backs my whole life. So the blade look isn't a must for me.
I have a blend of MP20 clubs and love them. I’d say one reason these aren’t in people’s bag is cost.
Yes agreed
Tantalising slo mo waiting for the ball to land on the green!
I thought he had put it in the bunker!!!
In all my years I can't say that I've ever seen a set of Mizuno irons in an everyday Joe's golf bag. I think the name Mizuno is bonded with the idea of becoming serious about your golf game. They are a higher end golf club both in cost and performance. And with the economy the way it is in my part of the world, folks are having to cut unnecessary expenses.
Over the last few years I've replaced all of the golf clubs in my bag. And my bag too. It was long overdue. It was expensive. The cost of clubs now and what they were 12+ years ago had definitely shot up. But i saved for it. My next go round won't be as long in between and I'm going to have to be looking at either older, more affordable models or go with some of the higher performance moderate costs items like the Wilson irons mentioned or perhaps a direct to consumer brand like Tacomo. There has to be some money left in the jar for green fees. Ah, there's a whole other conversation - the rise of green fees.
I luv Mizuno irons always among the best golf clubs. Not so much PXG mostly because of the Trumper owner.
What does this video have to do with PXG? 🤷♂️
Then buy Chinese made clubs and be a Biden lover you ignoramus.
Beautiful looking clubs, but as others have said my Wilson’s are not a ‘bag of spanner’s’ in the looks department, feel great and are a fraction of the price.😏
I using zx5 at 7 iron loft of 32
I will buy them as soon i have tryout all shaft options
SO how do these compare to PXG 0317 T’s?
Very differently, the 0317 is a much smaller profile and softer feel
Bought them and love them
I think price point is what is holding people back - the price inflation that manufacturers have to all golf equipment is outrageous & so folks are looking more frequently at the used market - the golf industry needs to take a look at its model (not just clubs but green fees etc as well)
I went from gen6 0311p to the pro 225 which are almost identical and we’re replaced by the 245s. Never looked back, unreal for all the reasons you state, I love the fact no one plays them. Got a bit sick of the pxgs and tbh never got over the marketing hype not actually living up to the reality. The didn’t feel nice at all - these brands are complete opposite ends of the spectrum,
Oh and half the price used
Simply the best Irons on the market. I agree, they don’t spend the money on advertising and they don’t have enough top tour players gaming their equipment. In many ways Mizuno is the best kept secret in the golf industry.
Price is the issue for me, I'll stick with my brilliant Takomos
Seems a lot agree
The 245s are amazing.
The lie angles are to flat for me, I need 64.25 7iron (245 is 61.5), my wrist to floor is 38.5 inches, or between Ping white/silver dot. They can be bent to 63.5 but that is still to flat. In the US they can apparently get factory heads at 63 which can be bent up to 65, but when I emailed Mizuno Europe they could not provide them. They are more expensive but they have a premium copper underlay and are Made in their Historical country of Japan, which has a dearer labour market. They also have Steelfiber as an option, I really like them.
I'm currently playing MP20 SEL. The most amazing feel and look there is. I think they look even better than 241 version. I'll probably will upgrade in 2030. 😂 Mizuno makes the best clubs. Period.
Very nice set of irons, bet there expensive mind
They are pricey
As I understand it demand was so good initial stocks sold out?
Initial stock available was very low as I understand
@@TheAverageGolferCrystal ball gazers at Mizuno got it wrong😅
225 was overtaken by the new P790 which prob dented sales. 245 launch was prob based on 225 sales so underestimated demand?
245 however is a step up from 225.
I picked up a set of cobra forged tec x with custom pured graphite shafts and winn grips like new 600.00 and they are amazing similar hollow body clubs , 1300 for the mizuno is just too much
Only problem with cobra irons is that they have stupid lofts. 27 degree 7 iron is just daft. I say that as a former cobra player.
Don’t like hollow body, hit draw you gain 20 yards
Nice Mizuno advert!
Why is it an advert?
Imo the JPX 923 forged feels better than 245. I think it’s because the forged is well, forged and the 245 is hollow body. The 923 forged is highly underrated.