THE DIESEL LOCOMOTIVE 1950s EDUCATIONAL FILM SANTA FE RAILROAD EMD F3 ALCO PA XD12054
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Dating to the 1950s, this historic educational film shows diesel locomotives in operation and discusses how they are maintained. At 1;07, an American Locomotive Co. ALCO PA is shown. The original Alco PA (the P stood for Passenger and A referred to the unit having a cab) was built right after World War II in 1946 and was rated at 2,000 horsepower (later upgraded models were carried 2,250 horsepower). At 1:22 a diagram shows how a diesel operates. At 3:13, EMD F3 locomotives are shown. EMD F3 was one of the most successful cab units the builder ever produced with upwards of 2,000 A and B units constructed by the time production had ended. The locomotive could be found in use on virtually all of the major railroads at the time and helped extinguished the use of steam in standard freight service. At 3:24 a hostler is shown checking the sand box and refilling it. At 4:14, the running gear is cleaned while at 4:24 the fuel tank is filled with diesel. At 5:10 the water tank is refilled by a shirtless railroader. At 5:45 the locomotive goes through a pressure washer and then a crew of workmen scrub the unit. At 7:15 the locomotive backs into the shops for further work. At 8:05 the engineer enters the cab and sits on the right side of the locomotive. At 8:20 the engineer begins operating the engine. At 9:18 a brakeman directs the engineer into position to couple with the train.
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There was one discrepancy in the video: The worker filling the water tank with water wasn’t adding engine cooling water, he was filling a water tank that feeds the steam generator that supplies steam to the passenger cars for heat, hot water, and maybe even for electricity for lights and other things.
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I’m not a kid there skippy, I’m a 25 year machinist on a class 1 railroad. You don’t add engine cooling water through a car body fill port as the narrator suggested, it’s added straight into the cooling system water expansion tank on the engine equipment rack. The water he was adding through the car body fill port was filling the tank to the steam generator, or as you so eloquently put it, the boiler. The correct term for that piece of equipment is “Steam Generator”. Read my comment again, I never said anything about a steam powered anything, just a steam generator. A piece of equipment that generates steam.
@@ralfie8801 I take it that “Skippy” agreed with your criticism and “left the building,” leaving the rest of us wondering what Skippy said that got you all “steamed” up.
@@TenMinuteTrips
Oh it was something to the effect that I had no idea what I was talking about because I was just a kid. (I guess he decided Ralfie is a kid’s name, IDK) Then he went on to say the F-7 in question was a diesel and thus it didn’t have a steam driven generator or something like that. After I explained what a steam generator is to him I never heard any more about it. I guess he got the idea somebody that works on locomotives might know a bit more than he did and deleted his comment. But to be honest, I didn’t know he’d done that until now.
Edit: My name choices for him came down to two: Skippy or Scooter. I decided to reserve Scooter for someone a bit more brain dead than him.
Have a nice rest of your day!
PS - He also made some comment about how cramped a diesel locomotive was for space and there was not enough room for equipment to run a steam driven generator.
man, u just upended all my beliefs about emd's . NOT REALLY considering i worked on those locos
The industrial designers that worked for EMD and ALCO really had an eye for streamline beauty. Today, the ugly ducks being built by Siemens for Amtrak doesn’t compare to the past. It would be nice to see real style for Amtrak’s new train sets.
Agree completely. Today's locomotives are ugly and obnoxiously loud.
@@beachbum1523 I don’t think the Acela looks all that bad. In any case I personally think the main appeal to the modern diesel locomotives in the US isn’t their physical appearance but they are durability and usefulness, after all many of the old steam locomotives must have seemed to be not very elegant when they were painted all black although they were impressive because of their sheer power and durability.
The old F series locomotive looks great, but crew hated them because they had almost no side to rear visibility which made them hard to operate in yards
@@eriknervik9003 You know, with today's wide use of rear-facing vehicle cameras, there seems to be no reason the classic cab unit couldn't once again find favor... Imagine standing at the back of the crew cab facing rear controls in front of a wide screen display able to provide any of multiple angles of the back half of the locomotive that the engineer desired. Cameras could provide a better view than even our current road switchers can provide.
The F 59 for amtrak they don't look that hot
The EMD E5’s to the E9’s are my favorite locomotives. They had great styling and the fact they were built by General Motors at their peak gives it extra points
My favorite too. but not Royal State Railways of Siam's favorite designs.
Always loved that style locomotive i think they look so good
Totally agree 👍 Merry Christmas 🎄🎄🎄🎁🎁🎁
Truly the "golden age" of railroads in our country...love the lines of those trains.
Weren't the trains losing business in this era ?
@@harrybriscoe7948 Yes, the focus was in cars and highways.
@@professionaltaxevader4638 It is all a matter of opinion . I think 1880 to 1920 was they heyday In 6 years it will be 200 years of railroads
@@harrybriscoe7948 You mean 1880 to 1920 was the train golden years right and I didn´t quite understand?
Cars after WW2 went crazy popular out of a craze of futurism and lobbying from car companies the government hence only focusing on highways.
The US is a car centric country. You can´t move in the suburbs and to some extensions cities without a car. Cities grew with bare public transport and definitely no good rails. That´s why cities are impaled by 12 lanes highways and have huge parking places. (8 parking spots for 1 car).
Where I live in europe it´s nothing like that, 1 lane claustrophobic paved road its pretty common and more than 2 lanes could be an avenue. Parking is quite the sport with only 2 spots per car and most likely paid.
But I believe that with all the green energy craze we will move to electric cars and when we realize those don´t work we will move back to buses, rail and light rail, with boring and slick designs. But hey atleast modern trains are still more enjoyable than the bland and boring civilian plane we got.
@@professionaltaxevader4638 What will happen with suburban houses in the USA when cars get to expensive to keep ?
Thank you for posting old films! They are fabulous gifts to the world. 😊🇺🇸🌈
Great stuff. So much better than all the trash broadcasted on TV nowadays
GoneBamboo .....completely agree
Very cool old time video, the engines are now washed like a car in an automatic car wash, no 8 man crew for that nowadays
The engines running through OR and WA are dirty year round regardless of the weather. Seems like the company has no pride, but I know that the fellas operating the engines and manifest typically care.
@@danielginther4879 At that point, Passenger rail traffic meant that your locomotives and rail yards were seen by the public. As such, locomotives washed and freight cars repainted.
Now, with little passager traffic and less small industry using rail, the companies have little to gain by spending the money to clean their locomotives and rolling stock.
Not to mention can't just wash oil and residue on the ground
Gorgeous locomotives, wish people had shot more color. Thanks for sharing.
Bruce Boatwright If I remember correctly, in the (19)50’s it was cheeper to use B&W film (Black & White film) then/compared to color film.
@@ScottRothsroth0616 no-brainer
Many of these scenes -- particularly those seen in the first couple of minutes -- were taken on 16mm color film by a Mr. Chet Hogan of Pasadena, California. They can be seen today in full color on a pair of Pentrex DVDs, which they call their "Historic Hot Spots Combo: Railfanning Southern California in the 1950s, and Santa Fe's Pasadena Subdivision." (I don't work for Pentrex-- I just have the DVDs, and they are among my most valued.)
You just go to settings and turn on Colorization. It decodes the gray scale and recreates the natural color based on the surroundings and known colors of what it sees and what is knows it should be.
Do you know what is more beautiful steam locomotives but the dirty smoke snorting filth coughing diesel locomotives got them scrapped i view it the same way I view murder
ALCo taught GE how to build diesel locomotives. Despite a little issues, ALCo C636 series has been the prototype of today's American standard diesel locomotive.
Pasadena California! The bridge goes to south Pasadena and on to pasadena ,Thank you I get to see my hometown way back when.
And the station is Pasadena station.
Rain water does the job now.
Watched with a 2x video speed. Was amazing. Thankyousomuch
Superb excellent video love these trains
Priceless bit of film
Very informational !
I believe that BNSF engines fear the wash station.
A shiney new engine is a sight to behold.
In the days long before BNSF the Santa Fe maintained its engines very well especially those on passenger trains.
The wash rack never worked all the while I worked at the CP (former Milw Rd) in St. Paul, MN. I would get so disgusted whenever a really dirty loco came into our 001 shop I would take the "hotsie" hose and spray as much dirt and grime off of it as possible.
If you think bnsf is dirty you better look at some southern pacific stuff
That AT&SF passenger train equipment was well taken care of, unlike the C&O where I grew up. I can see why they preferred the diesel over the steam locomotives. Even with all the people shown there, the maintenance was no big deal for the diesel. TY for the video.
great stuff!
Yep
I saw a clean BNSF engine in consist today and I tried to take a picture, but my phone camera is smarter than I am. But I really did see it!
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Very good video. Thanks a lot.
I used to have old slides from unknown family a long time ago but it was marked 1958 and it either was the CN super continental or the CP Canadian but it was still using steam locomotives at the front,
Nice historical images of Santa Fe FTs, F3s, F7s, PAs, an Alco S2, Los Angeles Union Passenger Terminal, and AT&SF's San Bernardino locomotive shops. LAUPT is now LAUS. Santa Fe is now BNSF. One original A-B set of Fs (one F3 and one F7) is saved and restored at CSRM in Sacramento. All major locomotive rehab and rebuild are now outsourced (minor repairs/maintenance excepted) for all Class I railroads. At 5:00, water is added to power steam generators which is use to provide train heat and electrical power. NOT used to physically cool diesel-electric mechanics and machinery. This was everyday boring back in 1950 but now a treasure trove of documented railroad history!
It's not a Motor it's an engine. HOS-ler. The t is silent. The water he was adding to the locomotive is for the steam generator. Cooling water for the main engine is added either at what's called a G valve on the expansion tank or through an fitting under the car body.
Actually instead of an exhaust driven turbocharger, many used roots super chargers (that’s what I thought I heard).
Yes all early EMD models
@@dennisrichardville4988 ...and the FMs! ATSF had a flirtation with their Erie-built 90-class that didn't last long. They did get some years out of their FM switchers, though.
THE ALCOS USED TURBOCHARGERS AND THE BALDWINS WERE ALSO TURBOCHARGED!
THE EMDS AND FAIRBANKS MORSE USE GEARDRIVEN SCAVENGER BLOWERS
Rootes supercharger.
EMD started turbocharging their prime movers with the GP 20 model around 1959. EMD continued to make normally aspirated engines for the SW1000 and 1500 series. 2 cycle engines always need an engine driven supercharger such as the roots blower or a direct drive turbocharger.
There's still a F7 in service on the Escanaba and Lake Superior Railroad in WI and MI. Check out some of Jason Asselin's videos. Look for engine #600.
Anybody know which Santa fe shop that was? I assume California somewhere...
At the end, was that the Santa Fe super chief?
Where was the train being serviced? What city?
I believe this may of been made during the mid 40s because the locomotives were produced during the late 30s to mid 40s
Late '40s, early '50s. They were still running FTs on passenger runs, and nary an F7 in sight and no Farr grilles on the F3s. I'll guess 1948 or 9, because the PA1 still looked newish. Wash rack looked like Redondo.
I remember steam locomotives from the early '50s. They gradually disappeared, replaced by diesel. I didn't know till many years later that there was an electric motor in a diesel locomotive. (I assumed it had a gearbox, like a truck.)
@@desertbob6835 Santa Fe only had one FT set converted for passenger use. They ordered new F3's from the factory after that...
@@desertbob6835 I agree late 40's
@@brentboswell1294 They initially converted one set (#167LABC) but subsequently converted 10 more sets. Some info to be found at old.atsfrr.org/resources/funits/ft-pas.htm
That was the Santa Fe Super Chief right? Or Santa Fe El Capitan?
Ring 🛎 for service.
In this instance, it's a Diesel ENGINE with a TURBOCHARGER that powers electric traction MOTORS.
Yes, but not directly. The Diesel engine drives the generator which in turn powers the electric motors. That’s about a 50% efficiency or loss between the hp of the diesel, and the resulting hp available at the electric traction motors.
@@Snookynibbles isnt it ; generator AC to DC then inverted to AC to Traction motors?
8:56 And why not European style Flatnose Dual cabs. these things can be driven from Either End.
back in the day when the USA had one of the finest public transportation networks. Now everyone just laughs at us for our antiquated and dysfunctional system while we just sit stuck in traffic.
But on the plus side we can get through pandemics in our cars, while all the cities that rely on commuter rail are in lockdown.
Those public transportation networks actually significantly improved, it’s just that our way of life changed and they no longer were suited to it. Outside of major cities, rail travel is hopelessly inefficient. Mainly because the freight owns the rails and passenger trains are held up as a result, but also because America is crazy huge, and covering any significant portion of the interior isn’t finically sensible. Amtrak doesn’t operate at a loss because it’s a bad company, it does so because it services hundreds of podunk stations in the middle of the country that don’t have enough ridership to be profitable. For most people, traveling by car or plane is much more convenient and surprisingly can be cheaper. All those wunderbar European systems service a much smaller geographic area, and over many many different countries that can better shoulder the cost. It would be fantastic to be able to commute by high speed rail across the country but America is just too damn big for that to ever be a reality.
@@SweetLou0523 China manages it somehow
@@igvc1876 where somehow = appropriately large size values of infrastructure investment.
Those Santa Fe ALCOs were sold to the D&H Railroad.
3:58 Is oil and Okite still used to remove the greasy dirt today?
No, the epa would throw a fit! Industrial soap (dawn degreaser) is used where i work...
What's up with the guy at 5:04? Did he just show up to work without a shirt?
Bet they didn't wash them like that on the Penn Central lol
At 5;06 the guy needs a shirt can one get that fool a work Shirt where’s the Professional look at .
He's out in the hot sun doing manual labor. I don't think he needs a shirt.
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Diesel *ENGINE*, NOT motor! Yes, there is a difference between the two.
Did the narrator say that the generator was used to turn over the diesel engine for starting? Never heard that before. Is that a mistake or is that an Alco thing? I've run some 50s era Geeps but the had starter motors
The main generator is powered by the batteries to roll over the Diesel engine until it starts and has oil pressure. If you ran a 50s EMD, it was started the same way.
Could someone turn that damn bell off? I have got a splitting headache, oh, that’s better, thanks 😊. 😅👍🇬🇧🏴
The choice they did in Brazil and that we all Citizens regret was truck and bus.
Yea but Brazil has some hottie hotties.
Like train
What's a wash rack?
Wonder why they kept calling an engine a motor? An engine runs on fuel, a motor runs on electricity. Whoever made this didn't do all of their research.
like trian
Bro said f units are strong 💀
There was no eye protection or vest used by any of the workers in the serving of those locomotives.
I call shenanigans. That hustler prepping the train was wearing no PPE and I didn’t see one single hi-vis vest in the entire video. I’m reporting them all to osha!
Back then men could do their jobs with common sense
@@mattberg916 Is that why so many died leading to today's laws?
Because they did their jobs with "common sense"?
@@tim3172 just a comparison between now and then. People get less competent by the generation it seems
A fireman on a diesel, how ridiculously redundant.
The fireman would troubleshoot mechanical or electrical issues enroute and tend to the steam generators, neither of which the engineer was able to leave the cab to do.
Warren Armstrong YOU MANAGED TO BE THE LOCOMOTIVE WOULD-BE -ARMCHAIR EXPERT OF THE YEAR!!!
@@richierich2048 Steam generators?????
@@dwightl5863 Each of the passengers B units have a steam generator to provide steam to heat and hot water for the passenger cars, and steam for passenger cars that were equipped with a steam ejector air conditioning system.
Thanks. I didn’t know that at all.
Geeeze.diesels are NOT, NOT NOT motors. They are engines. Electric motors are MOTORS. Good grief
While I generally agree with your sentiment, a motor is a device that converts some form of energy into mechanical motion. An engine is generally categorized as a motor subset, whereas thermal energy is converted into mechanical motion (as opposed to electricity or hydraulic pressure).
In a similar vein, calling diesel locomotives as diesel engines is slightly irksome, since the engine is just one component (albeit a large and important one) of a locomotive.
Okay, enough pedantic musing for now.
Thanks, maybe you should draft a letter to the producer requesting a correction
That's why the auto manufacturer voided my warranty; they said it was because I put motor oil in an engine :P
And yet the Detroit Diesel that drives a bus is called a "bus motor", and is referred to as the motor by most all people that use and operate buses.
Leonard Carr eh
That model was cheap looking