The Olivia Rodrigo Effect
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- čas přidán 20. 12. 2023
- Welcome back to Part 2 from our last video "The Sabrina Carpenter Effect" where we discussed the concept of overnight fame vs slow burns. Olivia Rodrigo is the perfect example of how sometimes you just have your moment, and your life can COMPLETELY change over night.
We loved looking into the careers of these artists because it truIy proves there is no "right or wrong" path to success. We walk the path we are meant to, and it is beautiful to see how both of their careers have flourished over the past few years.
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Re: All the comments about Olivia being a "Bad performer"
Our job is to study marketing and the public perception. Even when the views of the public disagree with our own opinions. We LOVE Olivia's music. She is truly a musical genius and I love how raw her performances are.
However, it's an objective fact that she did get a lot of criticism online for her first few performances. Neither of us took part in said criticism at the time because we disagreed with it and she was so new. We thought it was very unjustified and that is WHY we brought it up.
When analyzing any artists career it is important to talk about the good AND the bad ways of public perception. The music industry is not all sunshine and rainbows. It is part of the artist's journey to have to be able to navigate those tricky situations. Regardless of how we feel about it personally, it was the first big speed bump in Olivia's career, and it speaks to her character how well she handled it.
It would be a biased and non-thought-out video if we ONLY talked about the good things and none of the obstacles she had to overcome.
y'all are losers
in that regard, i feel like u shouldve gotten into the “main pop(ular) girl” phenomenon. wc, in my opinion, is when ppl nitpick everything they do, every performance, etc, and discredit their success.
it’s crazy bc sometimes u see ppl compare someone new, like olivia for example, to others before her like billie, lana or taylor or britney, but they also went thru that same thing, and yet ppl buy their music and sell out their shows.
it’s even crazier bc even powerhouse vocalists like beyonce, katy perry, and ariana have, at one point or more in their careers, been criticized for their vocals. like imagine saying they couldnt sing-but ppl really did just like they did when beyonce lipsynced the us anthem and when ariana edited her belt during a festival. they all have been accused of copying, of terrible performances, got lawsuits, they have been criticized for their writing. taylor, lana, nicki, avril, hayley, cardi, meg, you name it.
and yet now they are considered legends and icons. probably years from now, a new artist will come into the main scene, and ppl will criticize everything she does and say she will never be olivia etc but ppl will still dig her.
these main girls achieve a certain level of success that makes people specifically target them with hate & criticism. as beyonce said, u know u that B when u cause all this conversation.
ppl apparently hate olivia’s live performances yet the demand for her tour is insane. her shows at the recent jingle ball were first to sell out and in minutes, and ppl knew every word even to album tracks.
it’s sad but the hallmark of a “main pop girl” is the hate they get. kinda similar tho with the kardashians, everyone hates them but their marketing works and their businesses are thriving.
it’s a cycle. EVERY main pop girl went thru the EXACT SAME THING. i think the only one who didnt get this treatment with the main pop girl success was rihanna lol, or at least i didnt see it.
i rlly hate to compare esp with these two, but i dont see that right now with sabrina. personally i think shes talented and i think her music is so catchy. almost every day i see hit tweets about her, the internet loves her, but it doesnt really translate into (a lot of) sales for her. i feel like at this point she might as well be an internet celebrity. shes a more famous disney actress than olivia, she has a great internet following, she opened for ariana grande, she had the drivers license drama clout, shes currently opening for taylor swift, her music is easy to get into-and most significantly, she’s a blue eyed blond pretty white girl, she’s basically (the Barbie movie’s) stereotypical barbie. she has the entire recipe for commercial success and yet....... it rlly needs to be studied tbh.
but right now eyes are on her, but it’s mostly on her playful personality, particularly the nonsense outro, which is not bad, but still not much for her artistry. the attention is already there, her team should rlly work on getting public/industry respect for her as an artist. on this, i rlly commend interscope-even when ppl were calling billie’s music tiktok writing / criticizing her for sweeping the grammys, or when olivia was being called a plant-they always always established them as real artists and musicians-it’s always “the craft first and everything else just follows” for them, i think.
@@vanserra7478omg yes i agree with this SO MUCH. the backlash isn't just because they brought up the "bad performer" discourse, it's because they seemingly believe it.
I was also looking forward for them to discuss -- as you said -- that hate & nitpicking of imperfections young female pop girls always get, especially with "overnight" stories like Olivia's. Instead, they just fed on it.
Even worse, they seemed to base their opinion on the short Tiktoks/twitter clips that are meant to highlight her flaws, spread the "bad performer" agenda and hate on Olivia.
I just watched the iHeartRadio performance they kept referring to and for the life of me -- wouldn't say it was perfect -- but no way did she "get killed"!!? It was actually pretty good i think. Her vocals weren't sublime but it was good & not shaky despite Olivia being super energetic onstage. the crowd responded to her very well. Like if anything they could've cited the SNL or VMAs performance cuz those went viral online but the iHeartRadio one was just genuinely good.
If they were truly trying to be objective they would've know that while Olivia does have room to grow, she is NOT half as terrible as those clips make her seem.
Idk but these podcasters do seem like they have a bias towards Sabrina 😅 They even talked about her for a good chunk of this video instead of delving deeper on Olivia.
@@vanserra7478it's also interesting how you brought up that Sabrina is a "stereotypical Barbie".
People claim that Olivia is white passing (she isn't to me, like hello her surname is Rodrigo. she was either gonna be latina or filipino) and that she doesn't have a valid experience as a woman of color BUT
she's always put against white, blonde beauties like Sabrina & Taylor Swift & her insecurities towards that beauty standard is pervasive in her lyricism.
PLUS, her ethnicity has also become a means of mockery towards her because of the stereotype of Filipinos being amazing singers. Whenever these clips of her shaky vocals go around you can bet someone's gonna joke about her being the only Filipino who can't sing.
@@Mockingjay143yeah shes filipino to those ppl only when it suits their narrative but god forbid she expresses her own personal struggles bc of her ethnicity 🤷🏻♀️
abt her vocals, i think olivia gets really anxious and tend to overthink her performance during live tv like the vampire one on snl. like i get the feeling she kinda hesitates on the high parts. but ive seen videos of her in her concerts where she could just let it out and she sounded great, and in all those she didnt use backtracks. her mic is always ON even tho her songs are without a doubt more challenging to sing. but oh well, shes a songwriter first and foremost and ppl appreciate her for the music she creates-all i want charting & being viral before drivers license is proof of that. and her upcoming arena tour is sold out, ppl WANT to see her perform live. everything is really just noise that sadly comes with the main pop girl success
I think one thing unique about Olivia as an overnight success is that she was honing her craft for a very long time, just like slow burn artists. She’s been singing since she was in early elementary school and I think she said she’s been seeing a vocal coach almost her whole life. She talented and has been training her skills for most of her life so she might be set up better to handle her overnight success. Time will tell, great video, God bless
tbh abt her singing ability i definitely think that back in 2021 the narrative about her being a bad performer was being pushed because certain small clips were used against her when usually the rest of performance she sounded good. she had a ton more amazing performances but ppl didnt notice them as much compared to 5-20 second clips of her having a voice crack or being out of breath.
Also joshua didn't go to the hospital because of the hate. He went to the hospital because of his sepsis. Multiple doctors have said this. Joshua himself has said that the doctors told him that if he didn't get to the hospital in time he would've died. i feel as though this video wasn't really researched fully, some topics seemed like you know very little about and just assumed from what most people said.
yeah and most ppl aren't pushed into these huge performance in front of so many ppl when they're just starting their career she was probably so nervous
yep and its the fact olivia performed good 4 u at her FIRST vmas completely live she used 0 playback which is insanely rare for a song like that-- artists normally at least have the playback playing during the chorus
Didn't he say it was due to the stress he was getting because of the hate? Either ways fans showed no empathy and continued to send him hate and death threats even while he was admitted in the hospital.
He also talked about him being scared to step outside because he saw videos of people threatening to physically harm him.
Whatever the reason may be. It's still a known fact that he got tremendous hate and faced a lot of unfair things because of that hate to a point of being scared for his life. Let's not discredit It.
@@pancakesxoxo1064no sepsis is an infection and cause heart problems.. you don’t get sepsis from hate and stress
@pancakesxoxo1064 never was trying to discredit it. he went to the hospital due to sepsis caused by a bacterial infection not stress.
Olivia is truly such a good performer and it sucks that people disagree just because of 10 second clips that were taken from a long tour and specifically her first ever tour/performances. She’s grown so much and improved through GUTS and i’m so happy!
are you talking about the time she was sick during a concert but still did it?
Another thing, Olivia was never a bad performer but people on tiktok/twitter would post a 5 second clip where she messed because after all she is human, and people would run with that narrative that she was a bad performer. I wish you guys had done a little bit more research. Her diver's license performances never disappointed. czcams.com/video/Jn4P63JaDIw/video.html
You're kidding right
There was a clip that got popular where she was singing, but she was literally sick and still decided to perform. And people started trashing her for it.
generally your research about olivia was good enough but i just hate the narrative that yall ran with about her getting "killed" during her first tour. olivia was amazing during SOUR tour and she only got better and better. im not denying the fact that she had some subpar performances but she was never "bad".
in fact, her festival performances were actually really good. she headlined the iHeartRadio Festival and the one at Glastonbury and she was amazing in both of them. i get that you guys had a narrative that you wanted to point out about the "overnight fame" artists, but generalizing olivia's SOUR era as a time when she was a "bad performer' is just disrespectful and totally inaccurate.
i hope you also pointed out that olivia CHOSE to do a theater tour even if she could have already been headlining a stadium tour. cause that's the type of performer and artist she is. she knows what she can do, and she does her best to give the best show possible to her audience.
They did very surface level research on olivia. All the parts where she was"killed" was from 15 sec clips from a couple of performances. If you watch the full performances. Esp on tour she did amazing and was extremely well reviewed. I saw her on tour and she was great. Esp for it being her first tour
@@msvolleyball321 yes exactlyyyy!!! i actually lived her iHeartRadio performance! she did so well even outside the standards of that show being her 1st live performance. i dont know where they got the part where people were disappointed with her driver's license performance cause it was so good!!!
they also failed to acknowledge the fact that olivia did all of those with no backing tracks whatsoever.
Let’s be real she’s a teenager she will improve over the years we have seen it with Taylor and Miley and Demi and Ariana
@@st3458 oh for sure! all im saying is... just cause she has room to improve, doesn't mean she was ever a "bad performer". she's always been good. decent at worst. she has so much more potential to get even better.
I completely agree! It was a poor choice of words on my behalf. When I said that I meant that she was just getting a lot of hate for it and I think it was undeserved considering the fact it was her first few and we had just come out of a literal PANDEMIC. Olivia is such a talented artist and we love her music
Ideally Olivia would have spoken up but she was 18.. and famous overnight.. I can’t imagine the fear of messing up you have in the moment. Saying the wrong thing. Losing it before it actually starts. For all of them really. They were/are so young.
fr like she literally just lived her life and her truth. she did nothing wrong. it’s not on her part to control people who heard a song and have their own issues so they go and attack that wasn’t on her at all. she has a right to sing about her life. in most other cases people would say it’s the responsibility of the people feeling the emotions to not do bad (death threaty) things with them.
She’s old enough to speak up about indirectly causing death threats on other people. If anything, her being afraid to lose the fame needs to get their moral compass straight. Receiving death threats is far worse than losing fame and if she had empathy she should have spoken up. No one can control their fans, but if it was her song that sparked it she should have cleared it up.
she spoke up about it though this video is very poorly researched
she did spoke up about it, ppl just aren’t satisfied bc it wasn’t on intagram and those response songs flopped. people need to understand the gp just love pitting women against each other
@@dahliaskyewhere’s the proof
Although I agree that Sabrina has greatly improved and 2023 is her year BUT, let's be real, she has always had it. She's a natural performer. Even at 10 and 14 years old, she can perform with confidence and without missing a note. She has NEVER had a bad live performance yet which is crazy to think that she has been in the industry for so long and she's bound to have had messed up at one point BUT SHE HASN'T.
oh fr seeing videos of her perform as a kid so adorable like she was so adorable and could sing like the perfect child and now the perfect young woman
olivia hasn’t had a bad performance either she’s only had bad moment just has every artist has including sabrina
@@dahliaskye explain the off key singing
@@arbien1763 could ask the same about any artist ever, humans aren’t perfect even the best of the best artist have sung off key or had difficulty with some notes, runs, etc.. you’re delusional if you think your fav doesn’t or that makes someone a bad singer
@@dahliaskye that's y I'm wondering coz Sabrina hasn't yet. I dare u to send me a vid link where she has
Yes, I discovered you guys from the Sabrina Carpenter video! She's criminally underrated, but it looks like people are finally catching on to how talented she is.
I went back and watched a lot of your videos. I love your content and your marketing/analytical minds!
AHHHH YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH THIS JUST MADE ME SMILE
@@NickyandCoco❤
yeah you guys just need to make a sabrina carpenter video and not olivia bec you are clearly both biased to sabrina lol.
@@AnthonyKreuk I'm confused...they also made an Olivia Rodrigo video. And even if they haven't yet, how does that mean they're biased?
I don’t know why you guys are acting like Olivia bombed her first tour?? She didn’t at all, her performances on her tour was a lot stronger than her live televised performances leading up to it (which were never that bad and even sometimes really good)
I thiiiink they were more talking about the public’s view on it, rather than how bad she actually was. But also, the few times she messes up do seem forgivable since she was so young
You should do a video on Tate McRae. She’s another example of a slow burn that blew up this year.
COMING SOON ;)
I didn’t discover Olivia from TikTok. I heard Drivers License on the radio while driving to work. I fell in love with this song and with Olivia. Now I have SOUR and GUTS on repeat everyday.
I’m very thankful I found Olivia’s music. I love her and nothing can make me hate her. I had so much fun watching her concerts. It was an incredible experience. I can see the love she has for her fans. ❤And I hope she will drop another album soon. She’s one hell of a songwriter and performer 💗
Olivia's label's promotion was insane from day one. They used the drama, promoted in tiktok, did everything to promote her. Thats why i think Olivia didnt get the space to express the hate given to Sabrina and Josh. The one thing that still bugs me is when snl name sltshamed Sabrina and Josh, Olivia couldn't say anything to stop.
Just a correction on the cruel summer and deja vu discussion - the entire copyright discussion started with the guy from paramore asking for credits and then that started blowing up on tiktok, and people started finding other similarities - which was the cs bridge part. till then olivia had also mentioned cs as an influence for the bridge outright, so most probably to deal with the paramore suing and the whole criticism online made them want to pre-empt any such discussions/legal action and the teams reached out and discussed stuff. the part about ts and jack getting to know through the channels about the credits was actually said by jack himself. so yeah, paramore happened first, leading to this. other than that, interesting video on this.
My watch later playlist is recently filled with your videos when I discovered your channel after watching the "Sabrina Carpenter effect" episode. Looking forward to listen to your podcast!
OMG I wish you knew how much this means to us. This has been one of the most creatively fulfilling things I have ever started and I hope we get to grow the podcast in 2024 :')
@@NickyandCoco I've never been too interested in pop culture coverage because it all felt so shallow and kinda mean spirited, but I'm hooked after your Sabrina episode! I love the deeper dives and the obvious passion you two have for this space, having a topic and really thinking it through rather than capitalizing on whatever random thing a celeb did yesterday. Keep it up!!
the thing about deja vu & cruel summer is that even jack said he wasn’t aware that they were getting credited for it. they were credited without even being noticed. they never asked for it, nor did they even claim it. HOWEVER, at the time, good4u was getting claimed by paramore’s A&R team! hayley even posted something about it, and that was the actual battle going on. I think you guys brought up a good point about in PR, you’re as big as your enemies. personally, I think Olivia’s team was smart to make her biggest “beef” with taylor than ever with paramore or sabrina. they were literally on good terms, and anybody with ears can hear the two songs not being similar at all. BUT with that being said, once credit was given, general public opinion sided with olivia because that was her hero, who was now “stealing” from her. it also gave olivia a chance to stand apart from being a swiftie to be her own artist. nonetheless, the déjà vu/cruel summer thing swept the paramore thing under the rug, and it raised Olivia’s peers not with newcomers, but with taylor and other seasoned artists.
you guys are so much fun to listen to and I love how laid back the pod feels. minimal editing and no dumb sound effects, just two people just existing & having fun conversation 🧡
the deja vu thing with taylor is that olivia herself gave taylor credits from that song, she gave writing and production credits so it made her gain a huge amount of money, jack antonoff said that they didnt know that olivia will give them credits and in olivia's documentary she said that she felt inspired by the bridge of cruel summer to make the bridge of deja vu, the media changed the narrative to make look taylor bad. Please do research before talking about this because it may not affect none of their success but misinformation is never good
I genuinely don't understand how people even come up with all these theories just because Taylor and Olivia are not friends as they want them to be. Isn't it obvious why? Like what possibly can a 30 year old and (at the time) 18 year old bond about? And even if Taylor did decide to hang out with Olivia. Where will she take her? To her champagne parties?
I don’t get it why people love to create dramas about artists and don’t care about the consequences 😢
hey, i started watching following the sabrina episode (which i loved) and here are just some of my thoughts spring-boarding off of what you guys discussed.
*the love triangle drama:*
i think the whole drama of joshua/olivia/sabrina was so overblown and honestly makes me still sad to think about.
if olivia said smth it would just have confirmed who the song was about and opened another can of worms imo where people would just be digging further in. i think the snl sketch shouldnt have included joshua for that rzn cus by naming them it meant olivia was kinda acknowledging the rumours by acknowledging that.
people shouldnt have gotten mad at joshua and sabrina (especially sabrina) over a breakup they knew nothing about. sure, theyd heard olivia's feelings (which are valid as her own experience and something she is allowed to share but also it should be remembered that they're in the context of a girl facing her first big heartbreak who is in the headspace that brings) but they hadnt heard the other 3 sides (joshua's, sabrina's and the truth/reality).
the whole situation rlly showed that even in the 2020s people still dont seem to realise that they know nothinga bout celeb's personal lives (and arent entitled to know anything) and that they shouldnt go after young ppl so cruelly.
*law suits*
as for the law suits, they would have been done on behalf of the labels (who will always be profit motivated) but iirc one of them was olivia's team conceding because they didnt want the same thing to happen with whichever song came after the first lawsuit? it was smth like that. i think that both artists would not have wanted that lawsuit to go down like it did because of their own thoughts on music and the fact that chord progressions are not something you can own. also as a law student w/ an interest in music plagiarism cases, olivia should not have been sued for either.
*overnight fame and olivia*
the thing about olivia's quick rise to stardom is that even though she is so skilled and, imo, deserving of the accolades she gets for a variety of reasons, people always seem to just expect her to be incredible at everything despite how knew she is the industry because of the fact she is so famous. kind of in a 'oh shes so lucky, she got her big break, these other artists are so much more deserving, she cant even *insert one of the many listless things they think she should already know*' way. imo with the way fame works and the fact that the music industry is at the end of the day an industry, there will always be incredible artists that are overlooked and more mediocre ones with more attention than they deserve - i dont think olivia is in the latter camp (and its clear with guts she is growing as an artist and learning from each new experience) but other people seem quick to put her in it due to her lack of experience.
i really do hope that she gets treated better than britney and similar artists (she already seems to be trying to not stick to the 'good girl' confining 'role-model' image that ended up making a lot of young female artists have a rlly hard time w/ the industry) but the way people spoke about sabrina and the way that whole drama went down makes me think sometimes people truly never learn, and maybe assholes like deuxmoi will be for olivia what the tabloids were for britney. i sincerely hope not and from what she's said, it seems like liv's family are very supportive and are helping to keep her grounded but meteoric rises to fame - especially for young girls - does worry me.
i discovered you guys through your sabrina video and i loved this one as well! very insightful and also really helpful for someone that’s just starting out as an artist. so many takeaways ✍🏾💞
no research whatsoever😭 sour tour was highly praised by both critics and the public
yall didnt research olivia well, she had 2 million + followers and a devoted fandom through hsmtmts, constantly begging her to release her music, the original drivers license clip in JULY 2020 millions of views and actually so did most of her originals she posted to instagram, she didnt get famous cause of tiktok ..
Again-- i know she got her start on disney. But tiktok took her to mainsteam. All i want did not make the top 10 on itunes... drivers license did
@@NickyandCocoyeah I don't get how people take that as a bad thing. tiktok is just one of the biggest social media platforms right now. Before tiktok, youtube was the place of artist discovery. It's natural for artists to go viral & be disovered in whatever social media app is a current hit
@@NickyandCocoall i want debuted in the billboard top 100 though.
After watching your last video on Sabrina I think I’ve watched almost all of your videos 😫 it’s so interesting the way you guys break down differnt pop culture topics
you should make a video on matt rife,his misogyny,the news of him and brooke schofield,his netflix special etc.
We actually talked about this in a recent episode! I believe it was the Rachel Zegler episode towards the end :)
Ok you guys are clearly biased and it shows and get this straight into your head olivia was always writing her original songs and posting on instagram, she wanted to be a songwriter first not a popstar unlike many people and that's why driver's license became a hit, it was a heartbreak ballad written by a 17 year old girl, people saw her for what she is , her ambition, her vision that's why she created an effect and resonated with people unlike some others who survive on manufactured hype on social media and no billboard hot 100 hits or are unable to sell albums. Go on continue diminishing a young girl's success and talent and vouch for the people eho have been in the industry for so long and going to be in their mid twenties soon
I discovered you from the Sabrina Carpenter video and watched everything in the past week! Love your podcast and takes, you're amazing!!!
This was an interesting watch, would be quite cool if you both did "The Taylor Swift effect" talking about the impact she has done throughout her years. From the music industry to sales from objects to etc. She really is that "one of the influencial living legends" you both do very well in explaining an impact of something or someone❤
the misinformation in this video goes crazy
olivia rodrigo wasn’t discovered on tiktok….. she was already signed to geffen since 2020 cause she was on HSMTMTS and had a hit song on there called “all i want”
That is exactly what I said!
Tik tok is how the public discovered her though. If drivers license didn’t blow up on tik tok she wouldn’t have the career trajectory she’s had.
@@reyreynoldswinchester8757 no. ppl had already discovered her from HSMTMTS from her song all i want. she already had a fan base from that. she only got more popular on tik tok however and it was well after the fact that she put out drivers license
I subbed because of the Sabrina video and y’all had just hit 15k now you’re about to hit 20k within a week! So excited to see y’all grow, love ur channel already ❤
with the misery business and good 4 u drama: their chord progressions are HEAVILY used in pop music. get him back was also using a popular chord progression and it wasn’t total copying
Chappell Roan is opening for Olivia! ❤️ you guys gotta listen to her shes amazing
ughhhh YES A TWO PARTER!!!! love listening to your thoughts and ideas!
Emails I can’t send is Sabrina’s 5th album!! And this video was really well crafted, it’s definitely an interesting comparison of the slow burn vs the instant rise! There’s pros and cons for both for sure
I discovered you with the death of a modern celebrity video, absolutely love your channel. get so excited when i see a new video, literally drop everything i’m doing to watch x
11:37 I agree that she should’ve spoken up, but I think this should apply to all celebrities who have fandom’s who behave this way. I think worse than Olivia fans, are Taylor, Swift, Selena Gomez, and Nicki Minaj fans, and they never speak out when their fans go to far, and that’s always bothered me.
This!!! I’m the biggest swiftie ever, but our fandom alwaysss takes it too far. Taylor is never expected to say anything, so why was Olivia the acception??
This is the fourth video I’m watching of you two but I am enjoying your content so much. I love that you are both pretty mellow and have soothing voices, I listen to the pod while I get ready in the morning. I also enjoy that you deep dive into topics and are not superficial about what you are talking about ☺️ keep it up!
I think it's also fascinating that Olivia's initial live performances parallel lana del rey's first SNL performances where she was completely trashed, but look at how that's been turned around in terms of narrative now!
Yesss! Practice makes perfect. I think olivias performances lately have been SOOO good
To clarify, olivia was signed to griffin record during the start of 2020 (way before she released DL)
i need you to go watch her iheart radio music festival 2021 performance again, it is honestly pretty good, i don’t understand why you called it potentially career ending
In a few years when Olivia and Sabrina are over the drama I feel like they should do a colab.
New favorite podcast! Ive seen your TikToks but finally sat down and watched. Yall are so entertaining
Wait people don’t know about bizzardvark?!?
I understand that people think olivia is overnight since Drivers License was such a surprise hit but i think that really doesnt give credit to those types of artist like Olivia, Justin, Britney who had been writing songs, acting, and singing at their local talent shows since they were very little. Like thats all still work. As for the Sabrina comparison. People are forgetting all about Skin. Sabrina was the one to basically confirm she was the "blonde" girl from the song. Olivia has never said who the songs were about ever. Most famous songwriters don't say who their songs are about. Most of the attacks came after skin was released because people thought it was weird that she responding to a heartbreak song with "HAHA he's all over my skin". Sabrina and Josh both should have just said the song wasn't about them. Most people would have moved on and come up with other theories. Instead of responding and doing press about it. Also olivia has gotten a shit ton of hate and death threats from multiple fandoms but no one gives a shit. Olivia has been wished death and rape from swifties and carpenters. Should we blame taylor and sabrina. No! cause its their crazy stans fault. Sadly it's just part of being a public figure. I wish it wasn't but it is.
Her lyrics are misunderstood……. Skin is a response to the haters but some people refuse to believe that. She even said it in an ig post that it was a combination of things.
Girl no, I remember clearly reading all those comments coming at Sab even before the release of "Skin". I didn't even know both of them (didnt even know she's the one who sings the hit song "On My Way") before the controversy. But after all the hate, I silently sided with Olivia, then I felt really bad for all the hate coming at Sab, and I started liking Sab after listening to some of her songs and trying to put myself in her shoes.
So yea, the hate was CRAZY even before "Skin" was released 🤡
@@jezzgamezz1320 Exactly... The hate started because she mentioned "blonde" not because of skin. And if another artists can express their feelings in songs then so can Seb. She also needs to tell her truth. She even said in the song "like truth is whatever you decide" it cleary means there was some depth to it.
No I genuinely remember people sending Sabrina so much hate the day after DL came out, there was tiktoks with MILLIONS of views breaking down this whole ‘love triangle’ the day after DL came out. This then led to people stalking Sabrina and Josh, just for them to have 15 mins of fame to make a video of about the ‘love triangle.’ People were stalking Sabrina’s personal Spotify account to show that she has listened to DL, this also led to hate (which obviously she’s going to do when millions of people are saying the song is about her.)
When people start saying shit about you that isn’t true the usual response is to lash out and start defending yourself.
That’s what Skin was for. I think Sabrina probs could’ve chosen better words, not because she’s in the wrong but because the words she chose can be so easily misunderstood, just like how you here completely misunderstood her.
The song was her being petty to the haters who were sending her death threats and slut shaming her over something they had no clue about.
And she said on insta post that skin was not only about this one situation but about multiple as the bf she had before Josh, she also received a lot of hate for dating him and was blamed for his actions (it had come out that her ex Griffen who she dated before Josh said racist things and homophonic things, and she then broke up with him after she found those stuff out.)
Also to point out her ex Griffen after DL came out had posted the song to his story, with a pic of him holding a cup of tea to the blond lyric which further confirmed to people that it was about Sabrina, which had also fuelled so much hate to Sabrina. Also Olivia had followed Griffen after he posted that story, which also made its way to TikTok, and people making fun of Sabrina.
So she did indeed experience a lot of hate before she had released skin, and skin was her trying to defend herself. Because I liked a boy has the same message as Skin but was just worded so much better, and which is why it was much well received, as I think Sabrina had wayyy more time to reflect on what happened to her life and could find the better words, and I think when she released Skin she was just so incredibly overwhelmed and probably incredibly scared which is why the song came out the way it did.
@@kalesalad6263that is the bullshit carpenters keep spewing lol skin was directed towards olivia .. why on earth would the haters care about josh being “all on her skin” and is she saying “maybe we coulda been friends” to the … haters ? lmfao yall can keep saying this but anyone with a brain and eyes to read lyrics knows this was a response to olivia 🤷🏽♀️
Found your channel through the Sabrina video too. Looking forward to more positive videos about her.
PLEASE DO CONAN GRAY OMGG
IKR I LOVE CONAN
This was a entertaining video for sure as a Music Video Director I'm interested to hear more about the landscape of this industry as selling artists on Music Videos is getting harder and harder in saying that you guys just got yourself a new sub!!!!🙂
And I can’t believe y’all went with the narrative that he had a heart attack because of hate.. lmao he had sepsis, which is caused by an infection.. stress doesn’t cause that
Since I starting watching yall I can’t get the phrase “never not once” out of my head
I love watching this today and hearing you guys wonder who’s opening for Olivia, for it to have ended up being Chappel Roan who is now absolutely TAKING OFF at Coachella. Excited to see you guys make an ep about her and how she’s been working for 10 years just to have her breakthrough now. Obsessed ❤ love this show! Hope to be a topic of discussion one day lol
The fact American Girl wasn’t mentioned infuriates me
I watched bizaardvark when I was younger😂😂 also I just found you through this video popping up on my CZcams! Definitely gonna go watch more❤
SO excited for the next episodes
The Taylor Olivia “beef” is so incredibly bizarre to me. Out of all people, Taylor knows how it feels to be picked on by older people in the industry. I’m the biggest swiftie ever, but when the “beef” rumors came out, I was disturbed that Taylor would be feuding with someone 13 years younger than her (Especially a young *girl* in the industry). Personally, I don’t believe that the rumors are true because in my head, Taylor’s too much of a class act to be like that.
As far as I know the lead singer of paramour said that’s he didn’t see the similarity but was grateful for the recognition. I’m not 100% certain
look, i've been watching some of your other videos and they're really good! but this one is.... erm. i get the point you guys were trying to make but it's rather clear that there was not enough research on olivia's music, rise to fame, performances and as a public figure outside of "gossip". there are a lot of funny and good moments on this video but after the ten minute mark the vibe gets kinda of mean spirited and includes a lot of fake narratives used to hate on olivia in 2021 and 2022
Can we appreciate the editing :3
but i wou;dnt call her an overnight success because she had core fan base for years - i dunno, her success is not like the one Justin Bieber had.
She had been acting since a child so couple people knew of her but she didn’t have a fanbase. Most people came to know about olivia through drivers license, and the ones who didn’t were mostly from the song all i want (so still kinda recent). Her disney shows were not that big and a lot of people had already stopped watching disney channel by then. I would say she had an overnight success, even she said she feels like an overnight success.
Funny how both Olivia and Sabrina had odd one off shows on Disney lol (bizaardvark & girl meets world)
I think it’s interesting to note that even in girl meets world Sabrina was pitted against a brunette in this stereotypical “vs blonde” way 🙄
@@eccentricfeminine But in the contrary Maya and Riley always had eachothers back and chose to remain friends no matter what. Understood their feelings. Later chose their friendship over a boy.
Came from the Sabrina Carpenter video and I’m here to stay✋🏾 would love a video on the problems with mvs and touring
When Nicky was talking about the luck thing, my mom has always said luck is just when preparation meets opportunity 🤝🏻
The thing is, we don’t know if Taylor asked for the writing credits or if Olivia’s team gave it to them to avoid getting sued since people on TikTok were pointing out the similarities. And Jack Antonoff (the producer on Cruel Summer) said he had no idea that they got credit on the song so it could’ve been done without their knowledge.
I feel like y’all did not do your research
i only know you two from youtube bc im old and dont have a tiktok but i loveee this entire channel
That honestly makes us so happy!!! Its so cool to be building a new audience here :')
Would love for you guys to talk about the culture differences with Kpop ESPECIALLY with merch and albums and such and maybe why the western music industry hasnt adapted that yet? Talking about music videos and such
I love you guys so muchhhh ahhhh and I love your content please do more!!!!!!
Actually, Oliva did tell people to stop with with sending death threats and hate towards Joshua and sabrina both on her insta story and in person
I followed your tiktoks and found the youtube channel through the sabrina video! I watching every single episode now
THATS SO COOL!!! Thank you so much for your support omg. We are so happy to have you here💞
Loved this video, would you guys consider doing one of the artist Laufey?
I loved your sabrina carpenter video btw!
THANK YOUUUU
Respectfully (no), do a research before yo do a video like this 💀. Saying Joshua got a heart attack bc of Olivia is WILD considering the fact that IS NOT TRUE, he literally had a different problem, he even clarified that. Also saying that "Olivia never spoke" when SHE DID is stupid too. Olivia is the one who got more hate of them three nowadays yet you two try to let the other ones as the victims. This and more things you say on the podcast are so bad 💀 maybe next time try to have some respect or i don't know do research ☠️
Love this and thanks for it.
New person from the Sabrina Carpenter video. Don't even have TikTok (old Millennial now). Congrats on the slow burn.
Nicky baby, I love hearing you lead and you do such a great job with ur research, but sometimes I can tell u get a little excited and don’t share the space with Coco. She doesn’t get to speak a lot. Just a lil food for thought. This video was great though and I really enjoyed it!!
Some of this is misinformation. She was already signed before not by a couple months but by almost a whole year. They first started the video by saying she got signed after going viral and then later that she was signed a few months before and both are not entirely true. Deja vu did not start the drama between Joshua and Sabrina. In fact that drama is part of what made her and drivers license go viral in the first place. It was not mainly because of a TikTok drivers license went viral. Also calling a 16 year old a literal child is somewhat disrespectful too.
i agree 100% deja vu doesnt sound like cruel summer. but im also a firm believer in the fact 1 step forward and 3 steps back sounds exactly like new years day
Am i the only one who does not know Sabrina?
this video was terribly researched lol
I'd just like to add on the part about telling followers not to harass, this makes me think of Taylor Swift and her exes and the fact that she mentioned not to go after them especially when she was releasing Speak Now TV back in July because everyone kept harassing John Mayer (I hate John Mayer but I'd never harass anyone and swifties were taking it too far, he is still human) Loving the podcast btw, made me subscribe!
It took Taylor 15 years to do this and she still picks and chooses when she does
I’m taking notes cos I wanna be a singer soon!’ 💘💜
so tired of the comparison between the two. olivia is a talented songwriter even before her “overnight” fame. she wrote a song that charted on billboard before dl. no matter how “talented” one is, sometimes it’s also a bit of timing and luck which she had. also she’s able to tap into other genres allowing her to diversify her audience. when older parents know about the artists their kids listen too, that means they’ve become a household name. olivia has that potential. sabrina on the other hand only caters to a certain demographic.
which demographic is sabrina catering to? since you claim to know so much about her career
You one of those people who thinks Sabrina only does pop, right? You clearly don't know enough about her discography to even be making any comparisons.
@@ticktockticktockticktockbut its true? there’s no need to get defensive about this. olivia caters to many different audiences whereas sabrina is more girlie pop and it stops her from expending her audience which is fine? ariana has a similar demographic and she’s doing great for herself.
You clearly didn’t do enough research to make this video, several things stated are completely untrue and you’re only continuing to spread false information.
This channel will go viral in 2024!! 💯
Hi! Would love a video from you on SZA, Frank ocean effect, as they just come out of cave and drop music and again disappear.
Thanks for mentioning how the demographics of an artist massively influence the appeal..that’s been demonstrated so many times. But particularly this phenomenon is intriguing to day the least.
As for deja vu and cruel summer being similar, the whole fucking premise is reliant on the memory of Joshua.. cruel summer is just a recollection of events and “in retrospect” type message going on with it.
ugh the 2 part videos is kind of like a yin and yang to me like we get a perspective on both of the topics and view point which makes it more exciting and allows you guys to dive into each topics more deeply...plus its more videos for us to milk so who are we to complain
I need the Billie Eilish Effect
The very first thing I ever saw Olivia Rodrigo in was an American Girl Doll movie. She was great!👏👏😄
Some of the comments here aren't it! I truly don't think this video is biased at all. As a viewer I didn't feel as though you guys were calling Olivia a bad performer. It's true that people bashed her performances!! I saw it on my tl as did many people in my circle. She did become viral after Tiktok! People in their twenties that weren't watching Disney channel got to know her through there, it doesn't matter that she already had a fanbase from the show. She did become a household name after that Tiktok and she did get a ton of shit for that performance that started discourse on social media regarding her stage presence and live vocals.
I think that I read that the Paramore thing wasn't really their fault, I think swiftologist spoke about this drama and kinda mentioned how ms ts was probably behind it (and not just her team) but I'm not 100% sure, I just remember that i got my info from him and hes totallt neutrao
Yesss talk about music videos and TALK ABOUT FEATHER! REAL POP STARS ARE BACK
pinkpantheress is also opening for olivia! i’m dying to see them if only tickets weren’t worth my student loans 😩
I NEED to see them live omg
about 34:46 where y’all bring up how we’re not getting the campy 2010s lady gaga and katy perry types, i do agree however i think you guys should look into chappell roan if you’re not already familiar! i think she’s really bringing camp back to pop and she’s on the rise already amongst queer gen z but i feel like she’s gonna keep getting even bigger. her performances and outfits are stellar, and her music videos are so fun too (watch casual and red wine supernova)
Why does this feel biased towards Sabrina?? Did you really wanna discuss the topic or just wanted an excuse to call Olivia a bad performer and talk about Sabrina more? If you wanted to discuss "overnight fame vs slowburn", an Olivia vs Billie comparison would've been the first thing to come to my mind.
Exactly. Sabrina is good but not on the same level as Billie and Olivia. If you were to compare Sabrina to anyone, I think it should be smaller artists like Tate McRae, Gracie, or Laufey. Sabrina's genre is bubblegum pop, so perhaps a comparison to K-pop could be more fitting. Accusing you both of being haters and providing fake analyses between Sabrina and Olivia, where it's clear you stan Sabrina, is unfounded. You are both perceived as fake, so please stop talking about Olivia and focus on discussing Sabrina.
Because it is. They are Sabrina stans and it was very apparent. I feel like they didn’t do a more intensive research on Olivia that’s beyond surface internet and it’s quite disappointing.
Did you watch the video in full😭You’re very triggered
i’m 26 mins in and they haven’t downed olivia once…i never got this vibe. and i love olivia and have never even listen to sabrina before. so this is a completely unbiased comment lol
i wonder your thoughts about Alessia Cara. She was hitting charts back then but her recent work haven't even been recognized. What happened to her? What was her case?
No genuinely because she's so talented and she was collating with people like Lauv, Logic, Troye sivan, Zedd back in the day and now I have idea what she's doing. I'd love to though she's great
everyone is hyping sabrina rn but she has yet to break into top 50. she’s popular on social media, but has she broken into mainstream pop? nah
she's currently doing so
But why be so salty about people hyping her up? If you don't like her then fine but others can like her and hype her up as much as they want.
She is getting there tho
@@m1yauh because of all the hype !
Hey Nicky, where’d you get your necklace from?? It’s so cute
I love this video and yes she was famous before but I belive she still had over night sucsess but her first big roll was actually the lead of an American girl doll movie for the doll of the year grace
WAIT i did not know she was in an american girl doll movie
@@NickyandCoco yes I definitely recommend watching it it’s really good
@@NickyandCocohow do you not know if you did your research
It's glaringly obvious that your research has been superficial and mostly based on twitter/tiktok's perception of Olivia. I at least give credit to your discourse on the dejavu vs cruel summer issue, but it's obvious you didn't take the time to listen to Olivia herself. You made assumptions & general statements instead of citing the answers Olivia herself has provided in several SOUR & GUTS interviews.
Olivia has NOT been avoiding interviews, she has done SO MANY during this GUTS era. You could've at least picked one of the major ones like Rolling Stone or Vogue and read that. You could've watched the numerous radio interviews she did. Remember there was a strike!?! But now that it's done, she's back to appearing on late night shows.
You said you don't know how the overnight fame "messed her up"? She's talked about it several times in interviews and even sings about it in making the bed and teenage dream.
At first, she literally didn't comprehend its magnitude. When driver's license hit #1 in the Billboard Hot 100, her producer told her "Olivia, you don't get it. Your life is different now."
She had to switch off her social media and everything was filtered through her team. Her schedule was hectic af. Her first live performance was the BRIT awards, her SNL performance that people bashed her for was her 2nd. She cried in the dressing room, terrified.
Also, if you watched the 1 "making dejavu video" they did you'd know that yes, deja vu was picked as a 2nd single waaay before driver's license was released. if you watched olivia's "driving home 2 u" documentary you'd also know that she hesitated releasing deja vu because of the narrative people will predictably impose on that song even though she never wrote in a hateful way and that she doesn't believe in pitting women against each other.
Also, she chose Interscope/Geffen because they treated her as a songwriter first. She's said this in interviews. They didn't pander to her "star quality" but in her songwriting ability. That's why.
Would you consider Paramore a slow burn? They released their first album a year before Taylor but didn’t win a Grammy until their 4th album. They had a slower album release pattern, only have 5 albums but opened for Taylor, went on their own tour, and then are opening for Taylor next year.
With the critics yes, but not the masses I think they have been popular since Twilight,
in the wise words or Taylor swift: "And we see you over there on the internet
Comparing all the girls who are killing it
But we figured you out
We all know now, we all got crowns
You need to calm down"
and also big issue I also think that happens with overnight fame is you don't get to set yourself up for success. many artist get the bad parts and make sure the songs they are writing to hopefully blow up aren't ones that will cause issues. for a first time artist who is just blowing up they probably wont have put those songs/lyrics out if they knew what would happen in then end and the mass about of hate.