Jim Cornette CONFESSES The Montreal Screwjob Was His Idea
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- čas přidán 20. 08. 2024
- Viceland documented the Montreal Screwjob this week and Jim Cornette made a big revelation about who actually came up with the finish for the match with Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels at Survivor Series 1997. Solomonster recaps the documentary and comments from Cornette, Vince Russo, Bruce Prichard and Earl Hebner, and explains why ultimately, the person most responsible for what happened is Vince McMahon himself.
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Everybody does a Russo impression, but Solomonster does the best one.
It’s the New York Blood.
The guy from Wrestling With Wregret does the best one.
His is funny, but I still think Solomonster's is more accurate.
Agree
I think that Frankie Kazarian does a solid Russo impression also.
Cornette basically joked about doing the double cross and Vince went with it lol
It wasn't just Corny. Several people suggested it.
@@victor.elkins Except I never said that several people suggested it before Corny. What I wrote, very clearly means that Corny as well others suggested a screw finish. That doesn't imply in any way and on my behalf, who or what came first because that wasn't even part of the original discussion.
That Russo impression tho.😂😂😂
“It was me Brett, it was me all along”. Jim Cornette
IT WAS ME, SUNSHINE!
You're a fool JR!
Every damn one of you were made fools off!!!
Holy Shit" It's a Swerve Bro!!!!!!!!
Well look who won the pony.
I've seen Scott Hall say before he thinks it's a work because Bret spelled out WCW in the air with his hand and Vince would never allow that on his tv. but i don't think he realizes that footage is from bret's documentary crew and not the PPV. The actual PPV ended really abruptly.
That actually didn't make TV. That happened when it went off air
Yeah even if you watch it on the network the ppv ends abruptly after the match before Shawn makes it completely to the back it's only on network specials do you see any of those other things
Scott Hall even said he never discussed the screwjob with Michaels during the documentary. That alone defeats his entire flawed argument.
LMFAO Solomonster is secretly Russo in disguise...
We'll never, ever truly know what happened on that infamous night. By the way, very funny Vince Russo impression! 😁
Bro
Scott Hall is having a Mandella Effect lol
What do you know about the mandela effect? You see 1111 111 222 333 also?
Jack Daniels Effect.
The liquor and old age effect
Lmao, I cut myself shaving when Solomonster did the Russo impression 😂
14:43 best Vince Russo impression ever 👏 If you close your eyes and listen, you actually think it was him 😂 😂 😂 Solomonster you are the best
I think Jim would be the most credible person to admit something like that
Hes said before it wasn't him. Others say it was purely Vince. So ya
They keep paying Bret to talk about it, so it's fine for him to take the money.
Solo monster is correct. It was archived. The PPV cut off and went to credits once Shawn walked to the back with HHH at the entrance. Bret’s actions happened after
I watched the live version of that match on Dailymotion. And yeah it did. Shawn made his way to the entrance with the belt. Camera zooms in on the Survivor Series logo. Fade to black. So Scott Hall is full of shit about saying it's a work or at least his reasoning as to why he thinks it's a work.
@Bryan Mack No that's a shoot but I guess you can say it works him LoL
I’ve never seen anyone hit an uppercut and lift someone off the ground whilst giving them a black eye 🤷♂️
Thats what i said a while ago..they said he hit Vince in the Jaw..so how'd he get a Black eye?
Yes. Its often forgotten that Bret wasn't so much defecting as he was being forced out. His contracted was being renaged on at the other end and then they want him to on top of that do job out to someone who had done what Shawn had done (refusing the same, Sunny days) during USA v Canada angle. Baring this in mind makes it at least more reasonable if not outright reasonable.
Well in the documentary Bret says that Vince came back to him and told him he could afford it and wanted him to stay but that he wasn’t satisfied with his creative going forward so he chose to go to WCW. But it is always fair to consider that he wasn’t going to leave until Vince gave the initial push to do so. That said I’ve never thought his stand was reasonable. I get why he felt that way but still think he should’ve lost it. Part of doing business is doing what you’re asked even if you hate the other guy
@@Matt-cr4vv where is that in the documentary?
either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain
Question: Without the screw job, does WWE win the Monday Night War?
No Attitude Era.
No blurring of the lines.
No Mr McMahon.
No Austin crowning at WM14.
You could argue it made both WWF and WCW must see TV for a period of time, with Shawn becoming a major heel and Bret given a chance to be the biggest WCW baby face EVER (Which was ruined by WCW). Admittedly Shawn and Bret both had injuries after but I don’t think you can say that’s connected to this match. Both are millionaires, and have a legend that will outlive them because of this match.
If only we could have a moment that kickstarted the WWE at the moment....
Yes it does. The top guys in WCW were in their mid-late 40s and had like 2 guys to succeed them. It may have taken WWE until 2006 or 2011 and not 2001, but WWE would have still won the Monday Night War.
It didn’t need 2 happen lmfao!!
@@SirJoelsuf1 WCW was dead as soon as the merger happened so 2001 was definitely going to be the end. The AOL people that came in hated having Wrestling in their portfolios.
How do you see Montreal creating the Attitude Era? When it really started way before the term was used you go back to at least the build to Mania 13 when everyone was all pissed off, and really you could even go to the Pillman house incident in late 96 as the first hints of what was coming.
Montreal had 0 effect on Austin’s rise and crowning at WM14 if anything it would have been better if Bret stayed since the rumored original plans were for Austin to finally beat Bret and get the belt after a year and a half of losing to him.
Blurring the lines was Russo’s booking style so really don’t see it having much effect there either.
Mr. McMahon is probably the only thing I’d agree with but who knows if he still played up the Austin is a bad head of the company it could have ended up happening anyway.
This reminds me of that movie the Color Purple.
(Next time Bret Hart sees Jim Cornette)
Bret Hart - “You told Harpo to beat me!”
Bruce Prichard treats the truth like your mother’s fine china. It’s there, but there is seldom a good reason to use it.
Point in fact he's given two different accounts of that night, one on a Kayfabe DVD and the other on his own podcast
Jim Rogers His answers are always based on what will make Vince and HHH happy.
@Ze TheGame In one version Taker was sitting with him until the cameras arrived to film for Wrestling with Shadows behind Bulldog & Owen, after the ending of the match Bruce headed for Vince's office and ran into Taker and thanks to an exchange of looks between them for a while both had heat with one another thanks to them believing the other knew what was going to happen. While in the other he was sitting alone when they turned up and when the match ended he headed for Vince's office with Taker never mentioned
Ze TheGame Prichard is a spin master. Entertaining and funny, no doubt. But he lies and kisses ass. And good for him, because he got his dream job back.
@Ze TheGame Jim Cornette does not lie, he's a man of integrity. He doesn't mince words.
I see your other comment, you're a Russo shill. GTFO.
According to Jim Cornette it was just a off the cuff riff, Vince was asking for ideas and basically shitting on them and Cornette just threw it out there. He was reading a book about the industry in the 40s and 50s and how it was done to another wrestler and basically just threw it out there never expecting Vince to actually do it!
That’s a pretty good Vince Russo impression
Scott Hall, knows all of this. He just doesn't want to throw his buddies, under the bus.
@@kingsqueadly2782 The Grammar patrol .👮
Jim cornette is always a blast to listen to
Cornys story sounds very legit because that book The Fall Guys was directly what happened to Bret and Shawn in 97 and if Russo Marks think Sh*t Stain and or McMahon figured that out then these Russo marks are living in dillusion
Wow .....I thought I was the best Russo impression.... you win... hahaha dead
Unreal that this angle is still providing twists 22 years later !!!
The person I most associate with breaking the muse of pro wrestling was Brett Hart to me. After what was said from him being screwed in Montreal, it has never been the same.
Your first sentence stinks. Hire an English teacher to fix it.
Sure Jim came up with the idea of the finish just because he was challenged to come up with a scenario that could work, sure he can get angry at himself for it, sure he can hate on Omega, the Bucks, Joey Ryan for everything he perceived as exposing the business, but ultimate if the business IS exposed is none of their fault, not even Jim's himself. It was Vince McMahon that didn't just expose the business, he busted it wide open for everybody to see. So Jim shouldn't be that mad about, since he was getting paid by the same man while he did it.
Exactly.
I thought the spit and the WCW sign that was owned by behind the mat footage 🤔🤔
I can never not enjoy hearing your Russo impressions. 😭😭😂😂😂🤣🤣😆😆
LMFAO that Vince Russo interpretation!!!
impression!!!!*
Don Tony does a good impression of Becky Lynch
While Solomonster does a good impression of Vince Russo
Never got the whole Don Tony and Kevin castle thing. Always had a two pretend hardasses living in mom's basement vibe to me.
Bit late to the party but this thread is soo true!
Conrad and Prichard talks about this during their show. Prichard said the idea going into Montreal was to have this as Brets last match. There was no more creative for him after Survivor Series.
I blame Bret more than Cornette for exposing the business by going to the media after.
Exposing what exactly? That happened way before this when the WWF went on trail for steroids. You sound like Cornette.
I highly doubt that it was Cornette's idea. He earlier spoke on the issue and it was merely a quick remark "Why don't you just screw him."
Those stories arnt mutually exclusive and cornette also said in other interviews that the conversations about it we're getting somewhat tense and so it doesn't surprise me if cornette said it as a quick comment out of frustration trying to end a argument not realizing that Vince was actually listening.
@@shinzontheta They are not mutually exclusive but they differ in tone.
One quote from cornette was "well goddam just book him with Shamrock! He'll drop the belt then, just doublecross his ass!"
Brets always said he would of dropped the title to anyone even the Brooklyn brawler after Montreal but in wrestling with shadows when hes miced when talking to Vince he said il hand it over in the ring and walk out with my head held high....not wanting to get beat 1,2,3 so Bret maybe wasn’t keen to drop it to anybody before the screwjob as he was afterwards
I think Triple H was a big part of this, but knew how to keep it lowkey, obviously the Mastermind was Vince McMahon, he was or still a egomaniac.
Just finished watching this Viceland documentary.it's So good.
Brian Cromartie I had just finished watching it, I couldn’t sworn i watched it before but it was Great watching it.
The end was perfect my dad was watching the episode but hasn't watched wrestling since the early 80's but as I was watching he asked me so many questions to fill in the blanks about this and you can bet he was intrested
"I'm not gonna let him beat me in Canada" - Bret Hart
Rob Kearsy for me was when he exposed himself on stage in Detroit.
BRO! Solomonster is the best.
I think Jim Cornette could tell a lot of interesting or even thrilling and shocking stories if he wanted to...! Sometimes he refused to share his knowledge with the listeners because he didn't want to get certain wrestlers in trouble.
Especially when it comes to topics like illegal drugs and steroids!
But props to Jimmy for not throwing former co-workers and friends under the bus many years later! Only because of getting attention for him- or herself a lot of people wouldn't have hestitated in Jimmy's position...!
He does a spot on Russo impression. Holy shit
That's not really news though. I heard Jim Cornette say that years ago in one of his shoot interviews here on youtube. That he said to Vince "Just double cross him". He didn't claim he was the only was, saying other people might've suggested the same to Vince. But he said he knew who's idea it wasn't. Vince Russo's. Because when Jim said "double cross" Vince Russo's eyes got big, because he had no idea what that meant.
Remember him telling that story very well. Probably listened to it more than once over the years.
Explains why Cornette doesn't want to go back to Canada 😂 I kind of believe Cornette, thought I believe Triple H words maybe got through to Vince more...
lol @ fruit roll up belt
Solid commentary as always, Solomonster.
Vince McMahon couldn’t pay Bret his contract anymore, then paid $20million for Mike Tyson to be at Wrestle Mania 🤷♂️
I'm still not sure if Bret still did anything wrong tbh.
Bret could've tried to get the locker-room on his side to force Vince to give him a better sendoff.
@@Clay3613 That's true, still he didn't do anything that would make me side against him. I don't know why people say there's an argument against taking the business seriously.
@@ThePunk01 You're forgetting the little detail of having a clause in the contact having Bret Hart wanting to go out his way
You are gonna make me piss myself one of these days with that fucking Vince Russo impression. XD
Jim Cornette is easily the greatest mind in the history of professional wrestling
Uhmmm..................OK...........sure....................................
Eddie Graham, Bill Watts, Paul Boesch, Gary Hart, Jim Barnett, Ron Fuller, Jerry Jarrett, etc never really existed.......
@@handsolo1209 You clearly didn't read the comment bud
@@LordCrota - I'm pretty sure that I did. If I am missing some hidden sarcasm, then I apologize.
@@handsolo1209 Then tell me where I said those names were not great or good
@@LordCrota - So, you seriously think that in the entire history of pro wrestling that Jim Cornette, who was a decent manager and promo, shitty booker and promoter, fired from EVERY company he worked for apart from his own where he worked in the office and spends every waking moment of his life bitching about Vince Russo is "easily the greatest mind in thr history of pro wrestling"?
You back this bullshit up how?
Cornette isn't in the top 1000 greatest minds in pro wrestling history, let alone the best. He was a great manager and had some creative ideas and that's it. He isn't fit to lick Jarrett, Fuller, Graham, Vince Sr or Jr, Watts, Boesch, Baba, Inoki, Patterson, Giegel or anyone who owned or booked a successful territory's boot.
He talked about this years ago.
When Jim Cornette takes credit for the Montreal Screwjob:
"Oh what a genius, the mastermind behind one of the greatest angles ever, revolutionary, incredible wrestling mind"
When Vince Russo takes credit for the Attitude Era
"What an arrogant liar, the worst booker ever, he ruined wrestling, takes credit for everything"
Funny how narrative works when we like or dislike somebody
Who exactly is saying this? Just curious.
I see it all the time
There's nothing like Solomonster's Russo impression.
It wasn't a big deal even then, the belt. Bret was just a mark for himself and Vincent wouldn't budge.
Bret could've walked with the belt and onto WCW and it only would've mattered for 1 night. 3 months later both Bret and the belt would have faded under Hogan's thumb.
Just like the WCW and Ric Flair only a few years earlier in WWF.
I remember Jim Cornette mentioning during a Sean Oliver interview about suggesting a Screwjob.
Cornette has said on multiple occasions that he never like Russo for his creative ideas but grew to absolute hate him for the fact that Russo created an angle in WCW where Ed Ferrara made fun of Jim Ross and his disability. That’s why he hates Russo so much.
Everyone but Bret Hart were in cahoots with the decision of the Screwjob, give me a break
Yes even tho that’s true the 1 person 2 blame is Vince McMahon because he ok’ed the idea of the screw job fml smfh
Is it all possible this was McMahon's plan all along? It all just seems too coincidental to me. Bret, Shawn, Canada, Championship, last match. Why was his last match at Survivor Series if he still had weeks left on his deal? Also i cant believe someone as savvy as Vince M. would allow himself and his company to be put in such a vulnerable position due to an oversight. I think Vince knew well before hand that there was no way Bret would drop the belt to Shawn in Canada in his last WWF match.
I honestly wonder why it is that Bret does these kinda docs. This could not have happened to a worse guy. Everyone would have been pissed. But Bret held that grudge for such a long time. It took him so long to get any real closure on it. I get that he's always asked. But he doesn't need to talk about it publicly as much as he does. I hope I'm wrong, but it's hard to imagine that him doing a show on it now 22 years after the fact and 9 since burying the hatchet with HBK does him any good.
Michael Dixon: Completely agree with you. I'm a huge Bret Hart fan but talking about something 22 years ago doesn't make sense. His career doesn't have to be defined by Montreal. He did so many other great things.
@@Al-nt8tn He really did. And I'm pretty sure I even read him saying that the purpose of him coming back in 2006 was to shift the focus of his WWF/E career towards those things and away from how his run ended. At a certain point, I hope for his own sake that he can let that happen. The more he does things like this, the more likely it is that his legacy will be defined by Montreal and the more he has to bring up unpleasant memories he's long since buried the hatchet with.
Michael Dixon: You’ve put it across very well. Totally agree.
Easy answer: money.
Listening to Solomonster's ending comments there, I'm reminded of Jim Cornette basically saying the same thing: "I used to think, back then, that Bret Hart took himself way to seriously...but looking back, I think...that was a GOOD thing! Compared to what we have now, it was good to see someone taking things seriously!" How the business has changed!
It was me all along bro
Looking back at this. Given what's going on in the world right now in 2020. There's a valuable lesson. Don't EVER trust ANYTHING Vince McMahon says or agrees to.
When Bruce recounted it he says a lot of people offered it up as an option because they were so exasperated at what to do but that Vince just never said they’d be doing it. And Bruce says he doesn’t know who would’ve ever truly been the very first to offer it as an option.
Jim admitted to this years ago
Yep at least twice on CZcams. Famously on his "Montreal Screwjob" rant on the 1997 Timeline.
The idea of the double cross at Survivor Series 1997 came from Jim Cornette. But Corny didn't suggest it because he hated Bret. If any thing, he hated Shawn and respected Bret. Jim Cornette suggested the idea because he's fed up with everyone in Connecticut, he's gaining weight, he's depressed, he's lost his patience with the WWF Creative, and no one can figure out "what are we going to do" because Bret doesn't want to do business with Shawn because Shawn's a prick. Cornette basically, because no one can think of anything else, throws his hands up in the air tells Vince to just double cross Bret. No matter what Russo or HHH or anyone else says, the idea of the double cross of Bret Hart at Survivor Series in 1997 came from James E Cornette.
I occasionally come back to this video just to listen to your Vince Russo impression because it’s so funny.
We all know that Russo didn't come up with the screw job because if he did, cornette wouldn't want to be associated with it
Cornette has aways stated he said to double cross his ass. I believe he had the first idea as he was very adamant that it wasn't Russo. Also the way he rushed out the building puts more legitimacy into it.
That Russo impression is on the fucking money 😂 😂 😂
i keep staring at the photo that’s in color and i genuinely can’t tell if it’s cornette or brian zane.
That impression!!! Yo!!!
Your video is probably the most recent video i've seen with a ton of views and likes and you are pretty much on Bret's side. Its really rare to see that in this day and age. A lot of people side over with Vince/HHH/HBK over Bret. Honestly, I am glad you did this video. I am 95% and forever on Bret's side with this debacle.
He told the same story a few years ago on his podcast. I'm not sure why this is now considered a big revelation.
Spot on Russo impression 😂
It's crazy how times changed the title ment something back then
Damn... I thought Vince was scared due to stuff that Medusa pulled out on wcw..dumping the belt.... But now I came to know Bret had weeks left... Still vince did it.....shocking!
Just goes to show Vince wanted to get rid of Bret Hart he basically did him like a garbage truck and took him to the dump SMH 😡
The bullshit Scott Hall is barfing about is footage shot by the Wrestling With Shadows crew not WWE.
Question: "What is ..........love?"
Answer: "The same as hate if you're not careful...!" *
* As heard on a radio show with Jimmy a lot of years ago...! Old but there could be some kind of truth in it!
Nice Russo impression
Wasn’t wrestlemania a screw job? Ronda had her shoulder up like hogan did in the match with Andre and it’s not been shown since lol
lol haha. Ronda screwed Ronda. Her shoulder was supposed to be down. lol haha
Quint Quint yeah but it’s silly to think that they have some screw job finishes the same way as that match ended even tho Ronda is the heel and Becky was the face, it would have made more sense for Charlotte to beat Ronda in a screw job finish
@@Dreammaster695 You're silly. Your thinking is silly. Even with the lol.
There was no screwjob finish. Ronda didn't have her shoulders down before the ref started his count. The ref made a mistake. Yes, that finish is sometimes used as a work. That's what makes it a good believable worked finish - that it can happen for real.
The planned finish was for Ronda to be counted down for 3. It is silly to think Charlotte should have won with a screwjob. lol haha
Completely different. Hogan had his shoulder up at 2. Ronda had her shoulder up at 1 and down for 2 and 3.
Quint Quint well why didn’t the ref count once more lol
That Vince Russo impression tho 😂
The dumb thing about this is that, in hindsight of course, they should have pitched the screwjob as the angle to Bret. He still looks strong. Gets tons of babyface sympathy going in WCW, and Shawn gets massive amounts of heat leading into his angle with Austin, which in turn rockets Austin even higher. If Bret knew about it and agreed, everyone wins.
It's unfortunate that this happened to Bret and to this day so many people bring it up to him when he's made peace with it. It's even more unfortunate on how many people try to take responsibility for this. I remember Vince Russo claiming he came up with the idea, then Kenny Bolin from OVW (then developmental territory for WWE) claiming he was the 1 who came up with the idea, Earl Hebner whether storyline or shoot saying he was glad he screwed Bret only for him to say later he believes it was a work and now Cornette claims he came up with the idea
I'm pretty sure Russo will get himself cremated just to say he swerved Cornette.
Corney has an excellent memory. Russo is a habitual liar.
This one's a no brainer.
I'm sick of this match..
good for you
Nobody cares
I so trust cornette more because even he isn't trying say he was a mastermind. He just says that he passed it by vince as a random thing that was said and it was actually used and he honestly was like "oh fuck this i'm out" Because he could easily say he was the mastermind that made the most famous and infamous finish in all of wrestling. I can see cornette getting frustrated, saying some random knowledge he knew and he probably forgot about it until that day and then thought "oh no he isn't going do it" and then it just gets worse and worse for him
Russo floated the idea too. He mentioned a phone call taking place where he offered the idea of a screw job.
I agree with Solomonster and I seriously believe Cornette on this..... Cornette is a beast.
I've never gotten a Black eye from getting hit in the damn jaw
Shut your bloodclot mouth
That’s because Vince isn’t human lol!
I always wondered why Vince was hell-bent on Bret losing to Shawn Michaels Bret said multiple times he lose to anybody except Shawn I wonder why vince wanted Shawn to win so badly
Yoooo that Vince Russo impression was on POINT 😂😂😂😂😂 Bro!
I screwed Bret
24:19 Fruit roll up belt🤣🤣 I've been saying the same thing about that ugly belt
Love the Russo impression bro!!
Omg solo..please say something about what vicki g said about Chris Benoit
Other footage of spitting and Bret signaling WCW were recorded for "Wrestling With Shadows."
Vince "I wasn't invited, but I asked to come on the show" Russo.
That Russo impression tho lol
Everyone in management took credit for the screw-job lol.
Sorry bud, you misquoted Bret. He said losing to shawn is the character equivalent of the Hitman blowing his brains out.