Do this FIRST - How to Backup Synology NAS to USB Hard Drive (Hyperbackup)
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- čas přidán 23. 06. 2024
- In this video I will be walking through how to set up a USB external drive as a backup for your Synology. This is one of the first things I recommend most first time Synology users set up.
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TOC:
00:00 Introduction
02:18 Plugging in USB drive
03:43 Format drive and basic settings
07:16 Create backup task
17:09 Splitting a backup over 2 drives
18:15 Do I need this if I have RAID?
19:22 Restoring from backup and how to read the .hbk file on your computer
25:24 Conclusion
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Everything I know about my Synology NAS and how to maintain and operate it I've learned from you. Sometimes I forget how to do something and I come back to your videos. Thank you so much for sharing your wealth of knowledge. When something goes wrong, you always get me back on track!
holy crap - i've been watching you for years, just realized i'm not subscribed.... corrected!
Me too. :) Corrected!
Amazing - this is exactly what I just came here to find and here you are ! Cheers !
Many thanks. Clear, professionnal as always :)
Amazing video. Followed the instructions without difficulty.
A solution I use is I got a dual slot bare drive enclosure & two 20TB drives & plugged that into the Synology. I have two backup jobs to back up the Synology to the drives. First I synced both externals to the Synology, then unjack one and keep it off site & run daily backups to the online one. I swap the drives weekly so the opposite drive is kept off site and the prev off site drive is kept in the enclosure backing up daily....and just do that approx weekly (I'm not too particular about timing).
That’s a really good solution and I might adopt it.
Hi there, sounds very interesting. Could you please share the details of your setup. Thanks
What bare drive enclosure do you have?
Love your new office
Such good basic advice Will. And especially if it will run on auto-pilot because human nature is to not get around to such important tasks as often as we should. It only takes a single catastrophe for people to ask themselves " how much would I pay to get all of my data back today ? " That amount should be your guide for how much to spend for a backup system. I repurposed an old NAS to do this and put it in my detached garage. If you can't hard wire it, re-purpose an old WiFi router in the out-building to connect them.
Thanks for this tutorial.
Although Hyper Backup offers more options, I don't use it for my backups. The reason is that it is simply too slow. USB Copy is simple, robust and very fast. No special software required to read the data when attaching the external drive to a PC.
I think I was seeing under 20Mb/sec using Hyper Backup compared to the near 200Mb/sec transfer rate of USB Copy.
I recognise that the ability to encrypt backups is useful for some users, but USB Copy will work better for some, so it's not to be over looked.
I agree on the USB copy option very simple to go through .a question though considering you have large amount of data to backup does USB copy support backup compression . it wont make a difference for simple word files etc but say a 4k HD blu ray??
@@sleepingwonder USB Copy doesn't offer any compression options. Instead, it backs up as fast as possible. Even if compression were available, it would do you no good at all with the sorts of files you mention. I just ran 7ZIP on a 43.2Gbb BD .ISO Rip. It took my 4c/8T 3300X CPU on my PC 43 minutes and ended up with zero compression achieved. So, a total waste of resources to try compressing a ripped BD or 4K UHD file.
You're best bet is to go invest in a high capacity external drive and not concern yourself with compression, especially given the nature of the files you intend to backup.
Hope this helps :)
This is great advice. I've had an external hyperbackup drive since getting my 920+ and actually just replace it a few months ago when the space was running low. Ran into a lot of problems migrating backup to the new drive and even Synology support wasn't able to help. I ended up just starting a new backup. Have you ever changed out a backup drive for a larger/new one? That might be a good video to do as well. Great video!
Funny thing, you suggest backing up a NAS to a WD product and at the same time you do not recommend using WD HDs in a NAS (ps me either) Another thing, I found Hyperbackup and other Synpology backup tools as quite unreliable and difficult to use. Instead I use Allway Sync which works great and does the job much faster. Still, I find your videos very useful and really appreciate what you do on YT.
Will the external hard drive last longer if its kept unplugged when its not doing backups?
Having just watched this great video I decided to check my USB drive plugged into the NAS and see the file format is ext4. Unless I'm mistaken, the Mac is unable to read these files. I will get a new drive and do exactly what you suggest here Will. Looks like I unknowingly have been backing up the NAS in a format that does not allow me to access the drive from a PC. This is a light bulb moment for me. Thank you Will.
good stuff
Love the videos snd your intro SpaceRex, it’s unique!
So why not use a DS120J for this use case? A DS & 8tb barracuda cost about the same as a Seagate 8tb desktop in Australia, we don't seem to get the sales you describe on the desktop drives. Using a DS120J does mean the drive is in ext4 linux format so harder to read from but the benefits are 1) performs better than a desktop backup with more ram and cpu 2) you can put in a different location on your wired network to achieve better protection 3) remote management 4) multiple backup tool options etc etc
Ya da man, Will!
I have a NAS that I use as file storage for the many photos and videos I have. I have two backups being made of the NAS, one that remains in the house, and the other which gets rotated out and is stored at a family member's house. I use a Mac and I just tired your suggestion of using ExFat on my backup drive (first testing with the one that remains at the house) and about 36 hours into the backup it failed due to having characters that are invalid in ExFat but are valid in EXT4 and in MacOS. I reverted back to the EXT4 format on the drive and am backing up again!
Great vid. Question: Is it possible to "easily" have rotating USB drive backups. i.e. one hot online, the other off-line from cold storage. Once configured, can drives be simply unplugged, or is there a disconnect process. (Cold Storage backup will survive theft, hack, surges, flood, evil pets/staff etc, hence the question.)
I would start with "USB Copy" tool instead "Hyperbackup", it's much simplier, data store as is, not saved into Hyperbackup container, easly and faster to get backup data on other devices.
In that case I would look at the single version with HB. Mostly because if you want multiple folders, you can just add them without creating a new task
Most of what I backup to external drives is done using usb copy because usually I want a pure mirror.
Great video. I remember you did one a few years ago right after I bought my 920. If I recall you didn't change the format to exfat. I did have the opportunity to use the windows app to explore and copy a file off the hyper backup drive. so what's the exfat advantage?
I found exFAT to cause issues with permissions if you have the default admin account disabled, would advise against using and instead go EXT4.
Hi there, thank you for the info. What if there are multiple portable hdd in the external devices?
I bought the 20TB WD USB drive and back up several file folders. The only folders I don’t back up are computer backups and a folder where I install packages - stuff that doesn’t back up well or is easy to replace. I run a similar nightly back to Backblaze, just with fewer folders and retention versions. I don’t think I reformatted the drive, however; NTFS was fine for me.
If I have two external drives that I want to rotate off site, can I still use Multiple Versions? Even though I'll be switching the drives connected to Synology on some schedule? Thanks for all your videos. They are informative, thorough and easily understood. As a former Drobo user, they gave me a quick head start on Synology.
Yes! You will just need to enable / disable schedule on the other one
You might want to recommend a 2nd hyper backup targeting specific folders that require encryption.
You can just encrypt the backup in hyperbackup!
Hey Will, thanks for the great video!
Quick question: I followed the process to the letter to set up a HyperBackup backup schedule, btu when I confirmed it, I didn't get a download like you did @16:27
I do know my encryption key and stored it in Bitwarden... but I'd still like to play it safe. Do you know a way to trigger the download again?
Thank you, very informative. We use Synology for Timemachine backup whole family Macs. If I use the USB drive to backup Synology can I restore Timemachine backups?
You would need to use hyerbackup multi version and then restore it to a NAS.
If you are going to do this, make a separate task with only like 2 versions on it, Time Machine is a bit of a Pain
And would that prevent them from accessing our NAS to encrypt the data and then the backup as well?
I actually have an older model DS418 and it was being backed up this way but then I wanted something to run some VM workloads on and picked up a newer DS723+ and I hyperbackup the critical stuff now to the 723. I also do S3 backups to Backblaze but that’s because I live in an area prone to flooding. It’s unfortunate because this isn’t cheap but I actually require offsite to some degree. Hopefully cloud storage will drop soon or I can find a second off site solution.
I backup my DS1821+ with another identical DS1821+. I think thats the best way in my opinion.
Great video again. I use hyperbackup almost a year now. Last week the old rule "one backup is no backup" came up into my mind and I decided to connect a second USB backup drive to the DS420j NAS which runs the latest 7.2.1 version. After losing my concentration for one moment (due to post covid) I formatted the wrong disk. Not a big problem I thought, just run the total NAS backup task to recreate a new backup. There I found a problem that I couldn't solve. It was not possible to run the backup task again because it was offline. There was no way bringing it online. Even rebooted the NAS, usb disc was connected and online. The backup task kept saying it was offline. Editing task settings didn't solve my problem, but after recreating the backuptask al works again. Did I miss something or is this a bug in Hyperbackup?
I'd love to see how you would go about setting up your NAS and then configuring it to backup files that get touched/edited/updated on your computer. As a photographer, i'd love for any files to re-sync that I go back and edit without having to drag a folder across every time I touch a file.
You can use a 2 way sync with Synology Drive
@@SpaceRexWill I will look into that. Thanks.
Would this work if the external usb hard drive is instead a RAID enclosure?
I have been using this for years on my synology home NAS. I pretty much use it to restore all my files if my NAS dies. However, I set it up using ext4. If my NAS crashes and I then buy a new synology NAS. Can i just plug my USB drive (with all my backups) into the new NAS, install hyperbackup and restore all my files back to the new NAS?
Great channel. I use a Synology NAS and a cloud backup (iDrive works for me) but I don't think I will use a USB backup to the Synology since it seems to defeat the purpose of having a NAS, though I guess an extra layer of protection is not bad.
Hey SpaceRex do a video (if you haven't already) on "bit rot" and how having a two-bay NAS (like I have) is not enough protection for "self-healing" bit rot fixes (you know what that is, more than I, as I was shocked to find at another channel the standard RAID that comes with a two-bay NAS, I forget the number that RAID is, will not protect 100% against bit rot, as it is not "self-healing", though it will flag what files are potentially corrupted so I guess you can pick between the two versions the good version).
So with BTRFS and scrubbing you are protected from bit rot with all RAIDS.
This is because BTRFS will add an additional checksum that you can use to fix bit rot, even with a single drive
Great.
Is it possible to store hyperbackup explorer installation files on backup drive, but in a way that grants access to them without having hyperbackup installed yet on the computer? It is just protection to have tools to access backup even if there are not available on the internet in far furure?
So I take backup drive, look to that from any operating system - Linux, windows, mac, see installation files on the drive, install hyper backup explorer using them and have access to my files using standard password knew by my relatives.
I've had a lot of trouble with backing up by USB-harddrives. It is essential to use the right hardware for that. SMR harddrives shouldn't be used for backup. These harddrives are incredibly slow for backups. Now I am backing up by Remote NAS at another location - twice a week automatically. This works well and is better than having all the backups on one location.
I use this with an old eSata ext hard drive.
Thanks Rex
I have just purchased ds224+ with 2 nos 4TB HDD. What capacity USB disc drive i need to buy?
I suspect that's the $1m question we're all thinking.
How do you backup the data from this 5-bay NAS? I doubt that this roughly max. 20 TB external hard disc will be sufficient.
I’m curious on the answer here too. I have an 1821 which would require multiple external hdds for backup
1/ Decide if you need to back up ALL data 2/ If the backup of all data would exceed the external drive capacity, you’ll need to have multiple drives and do so by backing up some folders to one and others to the other drive.
I have a LaCie 5 big thunderbolt 2 that I wanted to use as a back up for my 1821+ Synology nas. Am I correct in saying that this won’t be able to be used with the synology nas because it’s thunderbolt?
What do you about hyperbackup and s3 Storage ?
Tried to backup my dalily backup on it but it's so slow while removing previous version it may cause errors. Next day all this green, ten days later it fails.
If you have others solution Please make a video !
Tried Snapshot réplication works great but need another nas
I am working n a DS1821+ with 6x 16TB drives. The total actual data is 40TB. ( this is a photo archive and has in excess of 600,000 images) This all needs to be backed up. The Backup is a pair of ProBoxes with JBOD HDD for a total of 26TB each. Is Hyper backup THE fastest method of softwware? This is truly a emergency backup not to be used until a NAS failure occurs.
Love your advice.... keep it up....
I too just have a portable hdd which I use to back up monthly using USB Copy and store it offsite. It's quick and simple. Only downside is that deleted files in the nas remain in the backup from previous backups when they were there- no biggie.
If you configure the task in Mirroring mode, the files will be deleted from the destination.
Can we setup and schedule a 1 to 1 usb backup and hyperbackup at the same time with 2 hdds , like 1 to 1 every 1st sat of month ,and hyper backup every Mon, and Friday .
Yes
A question Will:
1) You always say to do an extended smart test + a data scrub to keep your data safe.
What if your backup is a cold stored HDD? You don't do the tests and hope everything is ok when you need the backup? Isn't this a risk?
Hyperbackup explorer has the option for a local disk or Synology’s cloud. Is there a way to access a 3rd party cloud backup, say Wasabi or AWS?
Do you recommend buying an extra NAS to backup the first (e.g. a DS223j) instead of an external USB-harddrive, or would you consider that to be overkill? I've read quite some reviews about external USB-harddrives dying way too soon (especially the Western Digital Elements drives), compared to NAS-harddrives.
For the money, the value of the external drive is so much better.
But if you have a bunch of money (or need a really big backup) a NAS will always be better, just at a cost
I would go for the second NAS ( I'm biased because that's what I do ). And, you can do snapshots on the other NAS as well. One more benefit is, depending on how you do your backups, if your main NAS had a catastrophic failure, you might be able to switch to the backup NAS and hardly skip a beat.
@@DavidM2002 There are more advantages of going for a second NAS. In the video it mentioned that Hyperbackup can only write a backup task to a single harddrive, but what do you do then when your external harddrive is full? In a two bay NAS you can then insert a second harddrive and you are good to go again.
@@jasperverkroost You won't get an argument from me on a second NAS. I have 3.
I bought a 22TB NAS drive, and put it inside a SATA to USB Sabrent adapter. NAS drives are rated for more cycles.
Do you leave the HDD plugged in an running all the time? I guess hibernate covers that.
Yeah! Keeps it easy to run every day
Second Question.... Does HyperBackup skip over files that have been copied in the past or does it save a new copy of everything? Assume no saved backups, only the current one....
What to do if backup can't complete because target space is not enough of too much retentions?
Is it possible to have the external hard drive connected to a PC and have the NAS backup to it that way using Hyper Backup?
No, the closest you can get it to use something like Synology Drive and sync them to your computer
Having a problem with my HyperBackup. Using dual slot bare drive enclosure, single version backup 4TB disk. Backup gets to 62% complete, then stalls. There appears to still be significant activity on the drives in the 1522+ (all lights flashing and you can hear the activity) but no further progress. Have split the size of the backup in half (to ~2TB) with the same exact result, stalls a 62% complete. Any idea? Do I need to make still further reductions in size? That would seem to defeat the purpose of HyperBackup. Thanks.
What are your thoughts on using non-Synology RAM in a Synology NAS. I recently upgraded using Crucial RAM and when I had an issue Synology support wouldn't help because they said the RAM wasn't theirs!
This is covered in another video 👍
I don't have the "enable client side encryption" option, rocking a DS920+, why is that?
Update: Nevermind, local copy doesn't let you do encryption sadly, only multiple version / .HBK file backups support encryption.
Yeah I should really do this... PSU died on my unit and haven't even gotten around to replacing it. That said, I use my synology to mainly backup from my main PC and use cloud as well.
So technically for some data, I already have 3 copies. Do I need the 4th layer?
As long as you have 3 GOOD copies no worries!
Is there no way to do it whenever the usb is plugged in with hyperbackup, then ejects automatically? I thought you said this in some video but cant find it now. I see the "usb copy" app, but then do I just need a task for each shared folder?
But I don't think "usb copy" can do the same versioning thing... looks like the multi version option it has duplicates all the data instead of doing it intellegently.
I wrote a script that mounts my external drive before backup and when the backup is completed it is unmounted by Hyper Bckup.
You should have made a link to the external USB Seagate drive (16TB) (Amazon).
The most important and common thing RAID doesn't protect against: Simple deletion because you deleted overwrite the file/folder. It is instantly removed from the whole RAID. RAID has the purpose to keep the system running, not to protect your data.
why exFAT and not NTFS?
Exfat has read/write for MacOS and all Linux distros (albeit some modification of the distro, such as Exfat Access on DSM).
NTFS is read only on MacOS and some Linux distros.
If you're a pure Windows user and all potential users of the drive are the same, NTFS will work fine. If anyone who touches it may be using MacOS or one of those limited Linux distros, then you'll want to use exfat.
I am doing it. And yesterday my DS918 died a sudden death after 5 years.
I have accumulated too many files to reasonably back up to 1 or 2 local drives. I need a video showing how to delete thousands of duplicate files. I use rsync to backup my Lightroom images and catalog to a folder on the NAS. I also offload files from the computer by moving them, using Lightroom file management, to a folder on the NAS every month. This leaves me with two copies of some files on the NAS. One in the rsync folder, and one in the Lightroom folder. To make matters worse, I will sometimes move a folder using Lightroom, and later delete files, using Lightroom file management. This leaves a copy in the rsync folder with no corresponding file in the Lightroom folder. I describe this only as an example. I would like to delete thousands of files and be able to specify which directory tree to prioritize for keeping. Does Synology provide such tools? While I have a 10 Gb connection to my NAS, I much prefer to keep images on my MacBook so I can work on recent ones while traveling and offload them to the NAS periodically. What is your workflow for organizing your creative assets?
Wasn’t a dreaded WD per chance? 🤨
I'm trying to backup an encrypted volume and it's telling me to unlock my volume first but I don't want to do that, is there no way to backup an encrypted volume?
There is not
I want to know if the 14TB drive is still alive ? How many volts did it get instead of the 12 it was expecting ? 🙂
No clue! Haven’t found the right power supply. I think it was a 5V
@@SpaceRexWill😂
Another option would be to setup a Synology high availability (SHA) cluster.
I actually dont see SHA as a backup, as a delete on one, is immediately synced to the other
I followed the steps to restore a file to my computer from the USB local backup. When I try to select a file, it does not give me the COPY option, so I cannot seem to copy the file from the backup to my computer. Instead if COPY I just get a green orb with a plus sign in it. I’m using a MacBook.
Additionally, I do get a caution upon connecting the USB drive to the MacBook that says this USB drive cannot be repaired but that I would still be able to copy and paste files, just not modify them. It also cautions that I should backup and reformat the drive ASAP.
@@rockertwins1214 Your drive is very likely faulty, and you'll need to replace it because it will die or create problems with the backups themselves (which means, you don't have backups). Went through something like this a few months ago, lost 800Go of important files 😢 (that's actually the whole reason I bought a NAS)
THAT and UPS.
My project is still underway lol a custom Built Nas I just need to figure out how to get R-Sync to work so that I can take all 64TB of data off my Current Synology transfer to my True Nas Scale rig then wipe Synology and make it the 102TB back station for my new 12900KS Nas 🤣
my main TrueNAS is backed up to the second one as well as to third one - nothing is better than snapshots replicas ;-)
@@zyghom my good was initial setup of Synology I chose JBOD 🤦♂️ I just need to copy data make sure it's secure working then wipe Synology make it as many HDDs back as can afford to lose then I'll have no real issues until 8K becomes mainstream video 🤣
How is it possible to say "Hi, how's it goin' ya all" in less than 500ms? LOL!
Why FAT32 and not EXT4?
ExFAT - It works on Mac, windows and Linux
Sure. I understand that, but wouldn’t you normally restore either a snapshot or a full back up to the Synology? Wouldn’t a restoration with EXT4 go faster?
Appreciate your reply. Thank you
@@JerryZigmontMacWorksit’s to ensure you can easily get at the backup using tools on another system in case the synology is no longer functioning. Synology has a tool for the desktop that allows you to use the backups on your desktop.
Obviously you could do this on Linux and bobs your uncle but not everyone knows Linux.
single usb drives are So Slow it takes a day or more to copy
The thing is it doesn’t matter too much. It should be quick after the first backup
When your tech blows up a hard drive that is a HUGE red flag. Example, baby pictures, quickbook files, etc all gone never to return! Next up WD drive that has no fan, no RAID and once bumped is dead. Horrific choice. The shocking part is that he chose to publish it. I would have never release a video of me blowing up a garbage solution WD drive. EVER.
this is an old drive I use for videos....
@@SpaceRexWill I watched the video and listened to your IMO nonchalant response to blowing up your drive so it was unnecessary to repeat yourself. You heard me but did not listen so I’ll reframe this. Your rate, per your website, is $250 dollars per hour times 2,080 man hours a year which is $520,000 dollars a calendar year. So as the expert making ½ million a year you don’t have 45 seconds to read the amps and voltage on the device and adapter to verify they match? OK, got it.
According to you it’s just an “old drive”… No, it is a drive you plugged in without taking 45 seconds that a $50K dollar Tech would have inherently done then chose to show it to everyone. Perhaps you can “splain” that to me or do I have to purchase consulting time for that. My logic says the service level should be 10x the value of the average Tech but what do I know.
You also stated that the WD Elements drive is a great solution and you even have it on rack mounted NAS machines. That drive IMO is a horrible solution, I would only buy one to shuck the drive and even then I wouldn’t do it because it might be a SMR drive. There is no fan, no RAID and easy knock over which you failed to address. Do you think Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Apple, etc. are using backup solutions with no fans? No RAID? That they just stick it on top of the rack? IMO if you are going to charge top tier rates the solutions would reflect that, see below.
I will frame the WD drive for you as well. Here are the $520,000 dollar questions. What WD HDD drive did you buy and just recommend? WD White, Green, Blue, Black, Red, Gold, or Purple? What type is it? Shingled, Hybrid or Magnetic? SMR, PMR, CMR? 5,400 RPM 7,200 RPM. How many TB is needed? How many platters will it have? What is the Workload Rate Limit (WRL), Mean Time Between Failure (MTBF), Annualized Failure Rate (AFR), What is the warranty of the drive 1 yr, 3 yr or 5 yr? Why do you have a Seagate recommendation link but in the video recommend the WD?
What exact specifications did you base your recommendation on? And how are you able to recommend a disaster recovery drive when WD does not define what the product actually is and will vary within its own product line? Based on the documentation I read, the drive you recommended has a 1 year warranty. Do you know why it is limited to 1 year? Why are you advising customers to get a 1 year warranty solution instead of a drive that has a 5 year warranty when the cost between those two solutions are marginal? Isn’t the idea of DRP to have a long term solution that is sound and trustworthy?
Let make up some quick math on it. If the 5 yr solution is double the cost say $200 and the 1 year is $100 but you will need to replace it 5X making the decision $200 versus $500. How does that make economic sense? Let’s say the drive fails at 3 year mark, you send it in now you have a 6 year solution for less than the 1 yr times 5 idea. I am failing to understand the value provided by the WD Elements solution model that you are seeing with it.
I am going to pretend I am a $520K tech, using real numbers, your solution is $290 per unit times 5, as it has 1 year life, so $1,450. Choosing the drive you linked on the page I can get a Seagate IronWolf Pro with a 3 year data rescue plan and a 5 year warranty for $314. I pair it to a QNAP TS-004 for $220 with a fan, RAID, exFat, 4 bays not 1 so expandable, and a 2 year warranty that can be upgraded to a 5 year. Minimum cost $534 vs your $1,450. Looks to me like the WD solution is 3x the cost to me and doesn't seem to me to satisfy the requirements for a disaster recovery solution. Scratching head here…
Please tell me that you have something more, Will. Please tell me that the $520K Tech hasn’t pinned everyone’s professional backup solution on a WD hard drive that you haven’t even looked at.
please lose the greeting, its creepy and haven't got a clue what you are saying, its just words blended badly into each other. Other than that, nice video