USA and UK Electrician tackle CRAZY electrical wiring in Vietnam

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  • čas přidán 28. 08. 2024

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  • @artisanelectrics
    @artisanelectrics  Před 8 měsíci +6

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  • @neilblythin2134
    @neilblythin2134 Před 8 měsíci +41

    Canadian electrician here, for tricky fault finding we’ll often plug a very long extension cord into a known good outlet - and use its ground/earth and neutral as reference.

    • @Ragnar8504
      @Ragnar8504 Před 8 měsíci +2

      In this case it would have to be the neutral.

    • @Walktheline1991
      @Walktheline1991 Před 8 měsíci +10

      😂 sorry but that's such a caveman way of doing things. From what I've seen you do things better than America, but the fact neither of you test installs and literally just "troubleshoot" if there is a fault is crazy to me. Literally just juice it up and wait for a fault.

    • @pawelelektryk2985
      @pawelelektryk2985 Před 6 měsíci

      @@Walktheline1991 jah,thatès how we do it lol I donèt agree with it but thatès how itès done

  • @MAMDAVEM
    @MAMDAVEM Před 8 měsíci +52

    In my industry (Chemical/pharmaceutical manufacture) the first fault finding question was always.... "what has changed"

    • @tlangdon12
      @tlangdon12 Před 8 měsíci +10

      That assumes that it worked when it was installed.

    • @Ragnar8504
      @Ragnar8504 Před 8 měsíci +2

      Very good question! In this instance it may or may not lead to the cause of the fault because the fault could also be rodent or water damage, or component failure. Still a very good starting point.

    • @GlenPoll-ox2hj
      @GlenPoll-ox2hj Před 8 měsíci +1

      Lol thats what I've always said
      Especially if getting an electric shock , what was the last thing I touched and pull away from that
      It's better than 'jumping' and falling off a fifteen foot ladder bringing down the whole tee bar ceiling with you
      ( Not a good out come)
      If getting a shock what part of the light are you touching, is it the tee bar that's live? Is it the air conditioning duct behind you in the ceiling space that you leaned on ( faulty fan motor?)
      Just slowly pull away from the last thing you touched and you should be right
      ( And most of the time no one even notices you got a shock !) Lol
      They do wonder though how you knew there was a fault with the air con fan / whatever else was the fault
      ' it's just experience, I can tell without even looking at it '
      Can't own up to getting a shock it's too much paper work !
      And don't want to break an arm or leg landing on a desk and concrete floor jumping off the ladder
      Rule no one of sparkies don't own up to getting a shock
      Rule no 2 is don't be afraid of getting a shock
      If you get a shock you get a shock
      Just stay aware and stop touching the last thing you touched
      I don't know why people jump so hard when they get a shock
      It is you jumping up and spearing your head on a spike that's sticking thru the desk above you as you jump up , or falling of your ladder that causes more harm/ death than the shock itself most times
      Was with an apprentice once he was up a ladder and got a shock while removing a self contained emergency light
      ( Power was off but he must have touched part of the inverter circuit LOL) up a ladder in a corridor
      He went mental was looking around shouted / screamed as he punched the wall next to him !
      I was like WTF????
      If you get a shock just let go of it and reassess , make sure you are not still getting a shock , then carry on not touching that part again or testing with a Meter if not sure where the 'live' bit came from
      I told him he had better get his shock reaction under control or one day he will end up getting fried big time when working on our larger highrise main switch boards
      Funniest thing was the wall he punched ( full force) was a really old hard thick solid fibre cement wall
      He cracked it and put a decent dent in the wall
      But he also broke his hand / knuckles had to go to hospital and get x-rays etc
      He would have fallen off the ladder too if I hadn't been stopping it from falling over as he was dancing around punching walls
      I did ask him if he felt like an idiot 🤣
      I told him yeah ok you got a shock ,
      How the f★ck is smashing your hand and trying to fall off the ladder going to make it better?
      You already got the shock
      It already happened ,why add to any 'damage' done
      Even the next day I asked him how his hand was bruised swollen in a cast
      I had to make him aware he wasn't in any pain or anything from the shock he received.
      And would have been fine right now if he hadn't hit the wall for no reason. 🤣
      I live in Australia but I'm from the UK
      Maybe it's the English in me
      Get an electric shock
      Reassess the situation
      Hope no one noticed and
      Just keep on working 👍🙂

    • @paulmiller6277
      @paulmiller6277 Před 7 měsíci

      Change control is very important in commercial environment.

    • @inothome
      @inothome Před 7 měsíci +1

      That was the first question I asked (and always ask) the homeowner, what did you add or change? Nothing was changed, second question here is always, did it happen when it started raining? Their answer to this one was it hadn't rained for a few days before or after the fault started. So could be some rodent damage or some water leakage that took some time to develop. Haven't been back yet, so it's still a mystery and homeowner, unfortunately, is not too concerned. Even though I expressed how this can go really bad.

  • @markus321xyz
    @markus321xyz Před 8 měsíci +16

    Some years ago I visited Vietnam and talked with the owner of an restaurant (a old guy from UK) about my education. After i sayed that i did a school for electrical engineering, he insisted that i switch to the next seat because from there I didn't saw the open switchbox with the lose wires 😂

  • @andreasbentz6106
    @andreasbentz6106 Před 8 měsíci +35

    Comment from Germany: Perhaps I did not get everything languagewise, but my take on this problem would be first to use my signal-injector, that I normally use to find the breaker for a specific outlet, just reversed. So inject the signal at the switchboard and then go around the house with the signal-probe to find the outlet, where the injected signal can be detected. That narrows down the number of suspects.
    BTW, I've seen similar if not worse installations in Brazil, Mexico, Eastern Europe, Albania, South Africa - so no Asian peculiarity.
    In Albania for example they intentionally shuffle the cable colours even in secondary transformer stations, because the bad guys had quickly learned, that green-yellow never is live so you can steal that wire without getting electrocuted. Now you never know - chances are three out of five that green yellow is live 🤦‍♂
    Cheers
    Andreas

  • @nickthesparky
    @nickthesparky Před 8 měsíci +22

    Australian sparky here:
    We almost exclusively use stranded conductors so twisting is basically commonplace. We mostly use neutral and earth bars though but every now and again I'll come across an entire installations worth of earths twisted and soldered. In Queensland we are also required to twist and solder a 6mm neutral tail for the meter neutral no matter the size of the main neutral. When we're terminating into switches, sockets or connectors - we twist all our conductors.

    • @davidunwin7868
      @davidunwin7868 Před 8 měsíci +2

      My "live" bus bar in the switchboard is just all lives twisted together in a screw connector block. That was done by a qualified electrician.

    • @GlenPoll-ox2hj
      @GlenPoll-ox2hj Před 8 měsíci +2

      Aussie Sparkie
      Lol meter on the pole in the street
      So they can't tamper with it ,
      or' innocently accidentally' tap into the mains before the meter
      The supply authority finally found a great solution to stop that kind of caper!
      Assuming they were an official connection and not just hard wired to to pole lines with out a Meter
      LoL if they are gonna steal power there they just have to go all in straight from the street 🤣
      I would have thought using an Independent earth -
      a trailing lead from a screw driver stuck into a free bit if dirt outside
      Would be a must on any 'confusing fault with weird unexplained live wires '
      just to have a conductor with a KNOWN potential to build your fault finding logic on
      ( The live conductor of the mains feed in could have compromised insulation making the whole house live via concrete REO etc meaning the concrete floor they are using and assuming that its close to earth potential when it could actually be floating live and incorrectly basing all their fault finding readings off that )
      It could even be The neighbour on the other side of the wall may have a fault that's livening up the building
      (I have seen this done )
      It's a Rookie mistake to over look and not use a true Independent earth
      In any installation that is new to you ,
      Don't trust anything or cable colours until you have proved it yourself using your own Independent earth
      It's the best way to stay alive ( and cover your arse - so little timmy doesn't get a tingle every time he is playing in the water around the outside tap till one day he gets a good one ( shock) and drops dead meaning you spend the rest of you life in a concrete cell as you left an installation connected reverse polarity
      ( Although apparently Thailand probably wouldn't report it as an electrical death! so all good 👍)
      In Australia using a Trailing lead from an Independent earth stake / long screw driver driven into the middle of the front yard
      To prove the polarity of the incoming mains
      And ensure the installation is not reverse polarity ..
      At least all of the circuit breakers in the video appear to be double pole
      It's more important for the final job to be 'electrically sound' than it is to look 'perfect'
      Or The next sparky comes along
      Fault-finding tracing wires out has to cut tons of cable ties off to trace where each wire goes
      Its better for a switchboard to
      look like cr★p using whatever (electrically correct) gear you can source / have ( different brands/ age etc)
      It's better to be safe and perform with out any problems for years to come rather than look pretty and not work right / fail . Just because is had to ' look nice'
      Performance and reliability is More important than looks
      Even if it's just down to leaving enough slack in the wires for future maintenance, with minimal interruption to client . Ease of tracing wires in a full board
      Its A bit hard in a full switch board when you pull on the wire you are tracing and they all move as they are all solidly cable tied together
      So you Have to turn the whole board off and take it apart to reach and cut the cable ties off safely
      Just to trace the wires !
      Argghh !
      Why are they using the MEN system if they aren't running earths through the house
      The whole and only reason for joining N to general mass of earth is to provide a KNOWN given potential to be used in fault finding
      And avoid 'impossible' to find faults crossing from one installation to another via water pipes concrete REO etc
      As in a fault like this
      In A two wire system with no reference or link to general mass of earth
      If one installation has active shorted to a water pipe ( could be a toaster with an active part touching its frame placed on a metal draining board of a sink) or even just a hot water boiler
      With just that
      There's no issue or tripping
      Untill
      another installation way down the road develops a neutral fault
      ( short) to a water pipe
      Let's say a toaster Neutral fault to its case and it's on a metal kitchen sink draining board that has taps on it
      Resulting in ' nuisance' tripping at both installations
      Due to current flowing between the two houses via the water pipe / general mass of earth ( especially if it's been raining - another 'random factor')
      And neither can figure out why their C/b keeps tripping 'at random' when all the factors that they can't see and are in aware of align.
      If the toaster is moved to a bench top next to the sink
      Some one could get electrocuted just by touching the sink and the toaster, but only if the random fault is present in the first installation ( their fault could also be in their toaster etc)
      That IS the only reason NEUTRAL
      is tied to general mass of earth, the MEN system
      To 'contain' any faults to within an installation itself.
      Regardless of what happens with YOUR electrics you won't be endangering your unwitting neighbours lives
      Only your own life.
      yes The MEN system
      CREATES a danger of getting a shock if you stand bare foot in a puddle of water and decide to touch something that is live.
      But it is a KNOWN danger
      That is always present it is not reliant on ifs buts and maybes that may or may not be present / happening somewhere else !
      It just IS , it's a constant , a given , a known factor.
      That is why an earth is required at every GPO and lighting point
      Running an extra conductor to every electrical point does incur an extra cost during installation which is a down side
      But it is required as a safety measure to mitigate the Danger and the
      Risk of shock between live parts and earth
      Introduced by using the MEN system .
      When a shock is received to earth from an MEN system the fault can be identified and rectified as it is has to be local within that installation
      Without the MEN system the fault could be
      One of many things and 'no longer visible' as a fault in some other random installation has been removed
      (Such as the faulty hot water system down the road just reached temperature and it's thermostat just turned off)
      The MEN system forces the people with dodgey gear to fix it
      ( Makes the people with dodgey electrics aware of it by tripping THEIR own C/Bs not the neighbours )
      Lol I guess rather than guessing if it's safe or if there's a danger of an electric shock
      To earth , it's been made into a DEFINITE
      Known danger condition ( that is great for fault finding and fault containment)
      Oh and BTW
      when you are in a hi rise apartment
      A flower pot plant is NOT considered a good place to put Independent earth
      🤣

    • @mikeypc3592
      @mikeypc3592 Před 8 měsíci +16

      ​@@GlenPoll-ox2hjno-one's reading all that fella.

    • @retrozmachine1189
      @retrozmachine1189 Před 8 měsíci

      @@mikeypc3592 Bit of an epic isn't it. Can't argue about the independent earth though. Reveals all if the transformer star (wye, centre) point is earthed even via high impedance. Go back to basics, establish the service polarity and work from there.

    • @nickthesparky
      @nickthesparky Před 8 měsíci

      @GlenPoll-ox2hj the only thing I have time to reply to is about independent earth. Yes, it's absolutely a needed thing. I have a multifunction tester that uses 2 independent earths that I run as far from the install as possible.

  • @rustybstuff3082
    @rustybstuff3082 Před 8 měsíci +23

    When discussing wiring with people from the US (we do it wrong so everyone else can do it better), it is simpler to use amps rather than translating physical wire sizes.

    • @Ragnar8504
      @Ragnar8504 Před 8 měsíci +11

      Trouble is, anywhere outside North America (at least in industrialised countries) there's no direct correspondence between physical wire size and current-carrying capacity because the latter depends on whether the wires are surrounded by air (overhead lines), buried in the ground, buried in plastered brick walls or surrounded by thermal insulation, and whether multiple cables are bundled together (heat derating). Ambient temperatures and length (voltage drop) also play a role.
      One example from my recent jobs: normally 16 mm2 is good for 63 amps. However, my run is slightly over 100 m, so in order to keep voltage drop under control I had to derate to 25 amps.

    • @retrozmachine1189
      @retrozmachine1189 Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@Ragnar8504 All the derates you mentioned are a thing in the USA too.

    • @UKsystems
      @UKsystems Před 4 dny

      @@retrozmachine1189 however quite often they’re not as strict in the US or other countries potentially for if this insulation over a wire make you calculate the exact value of insulation and all the wattage dissipated and do all that calculation to work out temperature rise and stuff

    • @retrozmachine1189
      @retrozmachine1189 Před 4 dny

      @@UKsystems Take a look at pretty much any country's electrical standard and it's full of tables that give the situation of the wire and the expected terminal temperature under a given load. Why do you feel it necessary to gift your peculiar type of misinformation to the world?

    • @UKsystems
      @UKsystems Před 4 dny

      @@retrozmachine1189 because I mentioned various factors you did not include calculations which determine extra factors such as as far as I know in the US running in insulation would be a different current rating but in most other countries there are a lot more factors to consider in this then just one factor it gets much more technical

  • @JustaCuriousity
    @JustaCuriousity Před 8 měsíci +11

    In Asia, they normally embed cables (normal cable) in the concrete, and where there is land movement, cable will be pinched. I think you should check on power cable in from the meter outside

  • @_chrisr_
    @_chrisr_ Před 8 měsíci +13

    I wouldn't have thought there would be a "short-cut" to fault finding - in the west we have standardised installation methods which specify colour coding etc because overall it is more efficient since everyone should know what the standards are. When you don't have a standardised install each person working on an installation needs to work out what the install actually is before they can work on it - this takes time which adds to the cost and reduces efficiency. On top of this you have electrical safety to consider - we don't get nearly as many electric shocks as we used to due to better product safety design - I remember appliances my parents had and used reguarly where getting a shock off them was relatively common occurance and you soon learnt to be careful!

  • @brucenicoll4373
    @brucenicoll4373 Před 8 měsíci +10

    Very cool I now know we are blessed with standards in New Zealand. Thanks to both of you stay safe

  • @kevinz8867
    @kevinz8867 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Watching from the US. I have completely switched to Wago. I am in the process of re-wiring my house completely, two new sub panels will feed everything and I only use Solid strand #12 to all circuits, even for 15amp circuits.

  • @BrianG61UK
    @BrianG61UK Před 8 měsíci +7

    Do I like to twist wires together? Yes -- For 5V at 150mA.

  • @rossthompson1635
    @rossthompson1635 Před 8 měsíci +12

    How can they not have more fires with wiring like that? This is insane!!

    • @Izzy-vz6iu
      @Izzy-vz6iu Před 8 měsíci +1

      Third world country as finest, they believe the power of God to prevent those 😂

    • @GlenPoll-ox2hj
      @GlenPoll-ox2hj Před 8 měsíci

      They do have fires and deaths caused by electrics they just don't officially attribute them to electrical faults ( as would probably create too much (pointless) paper work to prove/ not prove the cause was electrical )

    • @rexsceleratorum1632
      @rexsceleratorum1632 Před 8 měsíci +2

      @@GlenPoll-ox2hj Nope. The buildings are concrete and not flammable. No fires. Plus many tropical buildings may have permanent ventilations that cannot be closed, so that any little smoke from a switchboard going up in flames will harm no one.

    • @concealed4carry
      @concealed4carry Před 7 měsíci

      Do they have neutrals tied together from different branch circuits? That would explain the small changes of leak current. I would also use tone generator to trace out circuits.

  • @andresmith3308
    @andresmith3308 Před 8 měsíci +4

    Hi there, I'm from South Africa, and we do Electrical and solar on a daily basis. The way they do it here especially in new housing estate's that's is very expressive properties is chocking.them you go out into rural areas and it's even worse. There no building or any construction regulations apply.
    I had to do a COC after installed a Battery backup system. But could not get proper earth reading. The saw cable coming from distribution pole. It's a black cable with a 10 mm red wire and surrounded by a earth armouring. No neutral so the n at house the connect 2 x2.5 mm surfix cables to this. So no way I can get proper earth point to complete test. I suggested to customer we fit grounding rod and Earth their DB, they said no worry we don't need COC out here.

  • @UKsystems
    @UKsystems Před 4 dny

    I have found out they either put in an earth stake, especially for larger things such as apartment complexes or they rely solely on RCD protection in most installs in Vietnam

  • @MyRadDesign
    @MyRadDesign Před 7 měsíci +2

    Get a spool of wire and connect it to a known good ground. For tracing wires that are not in conduit you can use a "toner", a two piece set, one generates a warble audio frequency and it is detected by an inductivly coupled sensor. They are intended for telephone wiring troubleshooting but can be used on deenergized wires as well.

  • @blitzdab8940
    @blitzdab8940 Před 8 měsíci +3

    I would strip out and start again . In the uk that installation would fall and I wouldn’t bother trying to find the fault

  • @A_Canadian_In_Poland
    @A_Canadian_In_Poland Před měsícem

    The use of double-pole breakers everywhere is interesting to see, as of all the installations I have seen in both Canada and Poland, single-pole breakers are used and the neutral does not have any disconnecting means.

  • @johnchristmas7522
    @johnchristmas7522 Před 3 měsíci

    I have to say, many years ago, when I was a apprentice and working with a old hand electrician(sparky) we happened to be working in a huge house, which had a butler. whilst there we had to ok any work we did through him. On one occasion, we needed to get into the huge bathroom and asked the butler if it was ok. He said that madam was using the bathroom and would tell us when it was free. Later given the ok to go into the bathroom, the very first thing we saw was a rack across the bath with a toaster on it! The electrician called the butler and said to. him "does she realise just how dangerous that is?" "You'll have tell her yourself" said the butler. So telling madam about the danger of the toaster directly above the bath on a soap rack was, she said, "Young man I have been doing this for years!" Very lucky lady.

  • @aussietwins4318
    @aussietwins4318 Před 7 měsíci

    Hello i am from Western Australia i am an apprentice electrician and really love watching these unformative videos.

  • @johnwarwick4105
    @johnwarwick4105 Před 8 měsíci +7

    No wonder they get the polarity wrong if there is no standard colours 🤷‍♂️that alone is the most crazy thing in my eyes

    • @alvina69
      @alvina69 Před 8 měsíci

      They use whatever’s in the van, doesn’t matter what colour it is or what size it is.

    • @Ragnar8504
      @Ragnar8504 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Back in the 50s and even early 60s quite a few European countries didn't believe in wire colours either. I've seen installations with all wires (except earths) the same colour or different colours for each circuit but both wires of each circuit the same colour. Probably didn't conform even back then but people did it. A friend of mine used to live in a place like that. All circuits were 1.5 mm2, lighting #1 was two whites, lightning #2 was two purples, sockets #1 was two yellows and a red earth, sockets #2 was two dark blues and a red and sockets #3 was two browns and a red I think. Built in 1960. 10 amp MCBs that were completely useless, once we had a short in a floor lamp and it blew the 20 A bottle fuse outside the flat rather than tripping the MCB. Someone thankfully bodged in an RCD (TT supply) but that was the only upgrade in five decades. Eventually the place saw a full rewire.

    • @rexsceleratorum1632
      @rexsceleratorum1632 Před 8 měsíci

      It's the same here in India. The reason is that usually the customer buys the wires, and any excess is waste, so the electrician just uses whatever is remaining to finish the work. Sometimes they use colored insulating tape to indicate polarity.

  • @HansCSchellenberg
    @HansCSchellenberg Před 7 měsíci +1

    3:30 Having just built a house in Khon Kaen, Thailand, and knowing a lot about US electrical standards, the lack of adherence to color codes drove me crazy, I was able to successfully enforce only green for ground wires though.

  • @oskar6747
    @oskar6747 Před 7 měsíci

    11:30 This is a big difference. Here in Finland I could safely touch any wires I see anywhere (clearly broken is a different thing and I have reported a light pole with a hanging cover once) and I won't worry when my dog walks over wagos connected to wires on the ground because I can be 100% sure those would never be live. And I regularly use my fingers to find a socket in the dark and to guide the plug in without a worry. Even my bathtub is connected to an outlet.

  • @MrMulleteer
    @MrMulleteer Před 6 měsíci +1

    Everybody who have not tried programming, this captures exactly how it feels to read code written by somebody else.

  • @gavinhay6627
    @gavinhay6627 Před 8 měsíci +4

    And what you're calling a death stick is a very commonly used tester in most of continental Europe as far as i know. I've never had , or heard of a problem with one.

    • @GlenPoll-ox2hj
      @GlenPoll-ox2hj Před 8 měsíci +1

      Unless some smart a★rse decides to be 'funny' and replace the resistor or bypass it with a thin strand of wire.
      Or swapping it for a 12v auto test screwdriver
      It has been done in the past.
      You can only hope that the fear of prosecution would stop them in todays work environment as that kind of behaviour wouldn't be tolerated and there's an expectation for any 'prankster' putting lives at risk to be severely reprimanded.
      Still if they are stupid enough to do it
      There's no guarantee other than banning the neon test screwdrivers altogether

    • @rexsceleratorum1632
      @rexsceleratorum1632 Před 8 měsíci

      In my part of India, every household has a death stick on hand, not just the electricians. Never heard of any incidents with one ever.

    • @xtxltd
      @xtxltd Před 8 měsíci +1

      There is no way companies like Wera would include test screwdrivers in thier screwdriver sets if they were dangerous.

    • @iainathairydog
      @iainathairydog Před 7 měsíci

      I have known them to go wrong, but nobody gets killed.
      You alway check it's working before relying on its readings, unless you're an idiot.
      There is no tool that's not dangerous in the hands of an idiot.

  • @geraldelwood9660
    @geraldelwood9660 Před 8 měsíci +3

    I guess the one thing in your favour is the 20 sec delay before the breaker trips.
    This allows you to get a decent reading off the clamp meter before the current trips off.
    My step one would be to use the clamp meter to confirm there is excessive current passing through the wire to the breaker - and it's not just a faulty breaker.
    Step two would be to compare the current in the feed wire to the board, with current in the neutral to the board (from DB1). if these are similar Amps, then a massive leak to earth, through the fabric of the building, is eliminated from the list of causes. However if there is a massive difference, then an earth fault is indicated as the cause of excess current. Should you suspect this discrepancy is due to a neutral current bypassing DB2, then go back to DB1 and verify.
    If this all confirms the tripping is due to an overload or a short, then it's the old story of identifying the guilty conductors and tracking along them to the fault. which looks like a nightmare 🙂

    • @inothome
      @inothome Před 7 měsíci +2

      Did all that and that's how I located the bad neutral. Originally they had it on the hot and assumed it was the neutral since it had all the neutrals on it. Then figured bad breaker internally. But didn't trip when all wires disconnected from breaker and isolated it to that one neutral, that was originally on the hot. When connected and that branch circuit off, there is anywhere from 500mA to 1000mA flowing on it, coming from the other circuits. Verified by measuring the return neutral on the breaker, then connecting that bad neutral and watching current drop on the breaker neutral to main panel. But where that neutral connects to the rest of the circuit, I can't find. Its in the wall or in the ceiling and homeowner does not want to start cutting holes in ceiling. Even though I explained how bad this is.

    • @scoutjonas
      @scoutjonas Před 7 měsíci

      If there is a difference between hot and neutral. I would start to look at places that have earth close to it. Like pipes, water, metal doorframes, outdoor lamps/switches.
      If hot and neutral carries the same current. Start to break up the circuit in the electrical boxes to find out when the breaker stops tripping.
      When finding shorts on PCBs, I add external current limited power into the short and check with an IR-camera. The fault path and return path will light up and show you the way to the fault 😃

  • @keithduthie
    @keithduthie Před 8 měsíci +5

    Time to plug everything else back in, make that wire safe, and see what isn't working?

  • @okaro6595
    @okaro6595 Před 8 měsíci +6

    It is strange how in Asia they do not use earthing so much. Even on Japan it is often not used or you may have to earth the device with a septate wire that you screw in.

    • @amgspd85
      @amgspd85 Před 8 měsíci +3

      Depends on where in Asia. For the ex-colonial countries ruled by the British and some of their neighbors, the plugs used are the same as the UK and the standards are very similar, including the use of earth wiring, etc.

    • @Ragnar8504
      @Ragnar8504 Před 8 měsíci +2

      Yes, some Asian countries have a surprising selection of double-insulated appliances, so earthing is less of a necessity. Have you ever seen a double-insulated full-sized fridge? I could hardly believe my eyes when I saw a Samsung one for sale at the local Thai embassy about 20 years ago!

    • @rexsceleratorum1632
      @rexsceleratorum1632 Před 8 měsíci

      @@amgspd85 Here in southern India, we universally have earthing. We do have a two-pin socket standard as well.

  • @gavinhay6627
    @gavinhay6627 Před 8 měsíci

    Formally trained Croatian electricians seem to love twisting and taping multiple wires together. Well at least it seems common in older apartments.

  • @PotatoesRnice
    @PotatoesRnice Před 4 měsíci

    the wiring I saw and used in Vietnam was like a fever dream.

  • @gene9230
    @gene9230 Před 8 měsíci +2

    The question is, to what does this neutral go?
    Something must not be working when you disconnect it.
    So just run around put a socket tester in every outlet. Since the sockets are connected to the light switches, that should also cover most of the lighting.

    • @inothome
      @inothome Před 7 měsíci

      It's the return for everything on that one breaker, three rooms and two floors. Everything works with that neutral disconnected, it's that good of a ground and what is scary about it.

  • @samuelgilbert9734
    @samuelgilbert9734 Před 8 měsíci +1

    I'm from Canada and I never encountered anything as bad as what I saw in this video. Mind you, I'm not a sparky.
    A few years ago, I bough a 40 years old condo . Clearly, sometime in the '90s or 2000's, most sockets and light switches were replaced. The original ones were cream colored and the new ones are white.
    I found at least 3 outlets with live and neutral inverted. The closet socket to the kitchen's stainless steel sink had no ground connection. I went along the sockets above the counter and found one where the ground was a little short and had therefore just been left unplugged. There is no RCD protection anywhere.
    All our sockets are duplexes. Since the ceiling is a concrete slab, there are no ceiling mounted lights. The wall switches are supposed control one of the 2 outlets. However, the person who had changed them didn't understand how things were meant to be. On our sockets, there are tabs on both sides that link the upper and lower sockets together for convenience. If you want to operate the sockets independently, those jumpers have to be removed. That hadn't been done which basically bypassed all the switches.

    • @GlenPoll-ox2hj
      @GlenPoll-ox2hj Před 8 měsíci +1

      The problem is,
      when Some one is claiming to be an electrician and they've been doing electrical work for years in Thailand or somewhere then they move to uk,/Canada, /Australia
      You REALLY don't know what their standard of 'work' will be like ,
      or if they are even aware that electrical standards exist ( or that earth wires exist for that matter)
      I have seen quite a few houses that have had a SIGNIFICANT amount of let's say 'asian country'' inspired work done, such as gpos ( socket outlets) only wired with
      0 .75mm figure 8 flex ( bell wire)
      ( No earth) not to mention all the lights
      It is primarily because of such widespread dodgey dangerous and let's be honest INCOMPETENT unqualified electrical work being done by idiots.( Surely if someone's going to do work that 'isnt their normal day job' for God's sake do at least a minute bit of research!
      Or at least use the same size / type of cable that's already there
      That they are spurring off from
      I mean if you were going to move a tap / extend and put another sink in
      Even if you had never seen plumbing before
      Wouldn't you use the same size and kind of pipe?!
      You wouldn't just use a roll of clear 2mm PVC hose thats a lot smaller size pipe would you ??
      You wouldn't use bl★★dy card board drinking straws or the like would you??!
      Even if you already had loads of them
      Making more standards and increasing penalties for illegal electrical work won't really stop these idiots as although some of them get caught and they are arrested and penalised for illegal work these idiots don't really know
      The laws or standards
      Even in the court room of commonsense There's absolutely no excuse for not replacing/ using like for like/ extend existing with
      the same type of gear.
      It's because of these idiots the govt makes it harder and creates more hurdles for qualified
      People that DO do the right thing
      ( as we are not stupid)
      In Australia it is illegal for anyone to do ANY electrical work unless they are qualified electricians
      (Trained to Australian standards -or equivalent standards ( not to 'Asian standards'))
      Not even homeowners are allowed to do their own electrical work
      Mainly Thanks to the idiot Muppets and their figure 8 flex
      Wired houses

  • @I_Damoooo
    @I_Damoooo Před 8 měsíci +2

    Irish Electrician here who has recently moved to Canada, No.6 would be 13.3mm Cable, also the practice of twisting wires & using wire nuts still annoy me I feel as I’m doing something wrong every time I do it over here!

    • @Ragnar8504
      @Ragnar8504 Před 8 měsíci

      Wire nuts work quite well if used properly but they're amazingly labour intensive, which might be why they never caught on in most parts of Europe (the Dutch, Portuguese, Italians and Swedish used loads of them before Wagos became a thing).

    • @GlenPoll-ox2hj
      @GlenPoll-ox2hj Před 8 měsíci

      I can't stand wire twist nuts
      I've never had any good experience with them
      ( Went to a job , discovered some one previously used them but the
      Insulated cover part of the nuts had fallen off leaving the 'springs' on the twisted wires that were now live and exposed
      I will never use them
      Twist the wires and solder and tape them
      OR. twist the wires together and put them in a loose single Insulated connector and securely tighten the terminal screw to secure the wires and tape it
      I use Screwed terminal 'bp connectors'

    • @GlenPoll-ox2hj
      @GlenPoll-ox2hj Před 8 měsíci

      Nothing worse than when your nuts fall off
      - your wire joins 😂

  • @johnhehir508
    @johnhehir508 Před 8 měsíci +7

    It's only when you go to other countries do you realise ,how advanced The British electrical system is, especially each plug have its own fuse,

    • @davidchamberlain2162
      @davidchamberlain2162 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Each plug having it's own fuse is due to us having 30A ring ccts. In Spain all the socket groups are spares on a 15A breaker so don't need plug fuses. They have a duel plug system of big round sockets for heavy appliances max 15A and the 7A low power things can also plug into them. The 7 A sockets tend to be 2 pin with only the larger sockets having an earth. If your appliance has to be earthed use the larger plug. Also RCDs on every spare is now common.

    • @Ragnar8504
      @Ragnar8504 Před 8 měsíci +4

      The plug fuses would be entirely unnecessary if the British didn't have 32 A socket circuits. If socket circuits were limited to 16 or 20 amps, as they are elsewhere, fused plugs would offer very little benefit. Doing away with them would mean no more fire risks with illegally imported unfused plugs or adaptors, no more easter egg hunts for blown fuses and no more fire risk with broken ring circuits and no risk of DIYers "repairing" fuses with tin foil.

    • @johnhehir508
      @johnhehir508 Před 8 měsíci

      @@Ragnar8504 you answer your own question, illegal plugs , British have a kite mark plug , And a fuse because they have 34 amp circuits , I would prefer to hear a 13 amp fuse pop in the plug then, get 2000 watts up my arm and down my leg,

    • @johnhehir508
      @johnhehir508 Před 8 měsíci

      @@davidchamberlain2162 true but fuse in plug , and fuse in box RCD , gives a line of protection,

    • @retrozmachine1189
      @retrozmachine1189 Před 8 měsíci +2

      Yes, very advanced. So advanced that it's still not mandatory to have a dedicated electrode on your PME supplies. Even more alarmingly no electrode of any type at all, not incidental via plumbing bonds, nothing at all, if the situation meets. Tell that to anyone from another country that implements TN-C-S earthing and watch their jaw drop in disbelief...
      Now this is not to say UK electrical is terribly deficient but calling it advanced is a bit of a fairytale too.

  • @arlindorodrigues2804
    @arlindorodrigues2804 Před 5 měsíci

    thats actually great work for me to do coz i love to do everything 100% right and save i wouldn't mind to go there and show them how its done

  • @russrockino-rr0864
    @russrockino-rr0864 Před 7 měsíci

    I am a US Electrician, Jordan. All I can say is what I see. What a mess, and so dangerous! Vietnam Electrical looks nasty. Love your videos, Thanks for sharing, Russ, 28 years in the Trade.

  • @nickgilbert1264
    @nickgilbert1264 Před 7 měsíci

    Even as a DIYer, I know from experience those neon screwdrivers are death traps. They can have false negatives, and more commonly - false positives (which then leads you to assume it's wrong all the time and work on the circuit despite the neon glowing a bit).

  • @jonthesuzoreffectsuzor1098
    @jonthesuzoreffectsuzor1098 Před 2 měsíci

    Hello from Rockledge Florida keep up the good work

  • @imark7777777
    @imark7777777 Před 8 měsíci +3

    Unfortunately it's a giant puzzle so it's going to mean starting somewhere and working until you can't work anymore. I would attempt to colorcode phase neutral but in the end I might end up just tagging lines with tape. You just have to go from one box to the next until you finish line and then rinse and repeat. I would probably replace that big bundle of twisted wires with some sort of junction block. eeeeeee

    • @GlenPoll-ox2hj
      @GlenPoll-ox2hj Před 8 měsíci

      Start by getting an actual Independent earth reference on a trailing lead and start from there

  • @elusive62
    @elusive62 Před 3 měsíci

    16:30 I just got back from a holiday in the Philippines, over there they seem to have an electrical shower hooked up in the bathroom under the sink, so the shower heater will feed hot water to the sink, the shower and a bidet which is like a mini shower head. could be a better way for those Vietnamese people possibly..

  • @matejkotnik9675
    @matejkotnik9675 Před 8 měsíci +2

    I seen metal sink, it should have metal faucet and pipes that go into ground, even plastic pipes full of water are good enough for AC groud path, test with meter to faulty wire and sink. Maybe there is wired in warer heater or furnace, or some large applience i seen, that is not on sockets. Or the wire is dammaged in the wall touching some other screw or metal, appearing like grounded. Wish ya success on the adventure.

    • @GlenPoll-ox2hj
      @GlenPoll-ox2hj Před 8 měsíci

      Can't really Use metal sink or hot water system as an Independent earth reference untill you prove it ,as there could be a water pipe bond to what they thought was earth / neutral ( or polarity swapped after it was done) or hot water sys etc could be down to earth / frame making all the taps/ sinks live
      You Need an Independent earth from the yard (so that you know without any doubt that it is earth potential,) with a trailing lead to test polarity , if for nothing else to test taps and sinks etc and make sure they are not live ate all
      Water pipes can be live and if they are unfortunate and a water pipe joins bursts you can get arcing ( that you can see at night at least) across in the escaping water from one pipe to the other
      I have seen it when all of these unlikely events occured at the same time.( Neutral burnt off at point of entry so the massive load of industrial cooking equipment being used was returning to earth/ neutral in the street via the water pipes)
      I don't know if the pipe join had issues before and was going to break anyway or if the electric current found it as a high resistance created a hot spot and melted solder or something?
      Either way seeing I guy standing in a puddle of water being sprayed with water attempting to stop the leak while you could see flashes of light in the water around the pipes
      Was the worst thing I have ever seen , he was so lucky he didn't die.
      ( It was at a restaurant and lounge was p★ssed as a f★rt)
      I was shouting at him to get away from it I wasn't going to go near him ( I was p1$$ed not stupid)
      And Turn the bl★★dy power off
      And then turn water off/ tackle the burst pipe.
      They had to shut the restaurant down for the night till it was fixed so the owner was upset so asked them would they rather lose one nights business or have someone get electrocuted and a coroners investigation
      Requiring the evidence to stay as is until fully recorded etc meaning the restaurant remaining closed for the duration .
      Faced with that the owner did the right thing
      ( Plus I told them I had to demand access to their switch board to turn the mains off ) otherwise I could be held liable for any injury/ death
      Even tho it was nothing to do with me (and I was p★$$ed as ) as I saw a dangerous situation that I knew could easily be deadly and the clowns were literally playing with their lives.
      Fun times 😃

  • @dave-d
    @dave-d Před 8 měsíci +7

    Oh the life of the traveling electrician! It's fine until a friend says, "oh, Daves an electrician". Gee, thanks! Sheer bravery in action! Good luck guys.

    • @artisanelectrics
      @artisanelectrics  Před 8 měsíci +4

      So true!

    • @AAaa-wu3el
      @AAaa-wu3el Před 8 měsíci +2

      @@artisanelectrics Do you have Vietnamese electrical license to do electrical work over there?

    • @itiswhatitis3582
      @itiswhatitis3582 Před 8 měsíci

      Do they eveb have one ​@@AAaa-wu3el

    • @michaelwood7021
      @michaelwood7021 Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@AAaa-wu3eldo they even have licences?

    • @GlenPoll-ox2hj
      @GlenPoll-ox2hj Před 8 měsíci

      On the plus side
      No matter what work you do ( or possibly how bad the work you do is )
      When you leave it won't be any worse than when you started 🙂
      The mentality is if it's doing what they want it to do
      Then it must be ok
      A little bit like the home wifi routers when they first came out
      They plug it, find and connect to their wifi router and just use it
      With no protection
      So anyone could connect to it and use it .
      Ahh , the clients famous last words -
      'but It's working so it must be all right '
      Lol
      Same mentality
      Everything is good , - until it isnt
      Altho wifi isn't likely to burn your house down or kill you lol

  • @Gunbudder
    @Gunbudder Před 5 měsíci

    its easy to forget that most of what we do in the US/UK for wiring is for safety. if you just ignore safety rules, then you can get pretty wild and creative and it will still work just fine. it will just not be as safe

  • @OprichnikStyle
    @OprichnikStyle Před 5 měsíci

    I live in Argentina (220-230V @ 50Hz and three phase 380V ). A lot of houses don't have a ground wire so I dont get a reference for neutral or line. I use the amp clamp in volts and check against body, if it gives me around 110V then I know it's the live wire, or the box itself if its a metallic one. For wires in junction boxes I use one of those non contact detectors (even tho my amp clamp has that function, it's too big sometimes) but it's not that reliable when having a bunch of wires all smushed togheter

  • @nigelconnor2460
    @nigelconnor2460 Před 7 měsíci

    That lad has a big heart!

  • @MAMDAVEM
    @MAMDAVEM Před 8 měsíci

    That is true Tony and the business I was in this was always the case but I understand that everything is not always like this.

  • @HansCSchellenberg
    @HansCSchellenberg Před 7 měsíci

    They never run grounds to residential lighting fixtures in Thailand, even of the fixture has a ground wire or ground screw.

  • @jordanrockett8877
    @jordanrockett8877 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Be interesting to see a Vietnamese electrician going to UK or USA to look at their electrics. (so the reverse of this, as such)

  • @jeremykemp3782
    @jeremykemp3782 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Overcurrent or short circuit. Does it trip straight away or does it take a while? Unplug every appliance and turn on to make sure it's not an appliance. If it works with everything unplugged then plug everything back in one thing at a time until it trips. If not appliance, then leave everything unplugged again and find out what that actually feeds. It might be quicker to run another cable through if thats a conduit I see there!!!

    • @Ragnar8504
      @Ragnar8504 Před 8 měsíci

      He mentioned 20 seconds, so it has to be the thermal trip but a fairly substantial current, so a low-impedance earth fault but no dead short. I think they already disconnected all portable loads and this circuit still tripped.
      It's a conduit but without knowing where the other end is you can't replace the wires. You could try blowing compressed air into the conduit and spotting the whistling noise at the other end but if the conduit is only in the wall and loose wires above the suspended ceiling that won't help a whole lot.

  • @UKsystems
    @UKsystems Před 4 dny

    I believe they use this type of meter box because meter tampering would be very common here otherwise if you think about the electrical system state shoving a couple of screws in wires would probably be peoples first thought

  • @Fifury161
    @Fifury161 Před 7 měsíci

    5:22 - no, soldering may give the impression of a better joint, however given enough current the solder can melt which can cause all sorts of problems.

  • @UKsystems
    @UKsystems Před 4 dny

    One interesting thing in Vietnam is that there are a lot of electricians that will try and do it to a good standard but because so many don’t they actually can’t buy things at proper connectors so twisting wise and taping up or soldering them is commonly used however the debate can be made either way about whether that safe or not because American why nuts are essentially just twisting wires together

  • @s.kxx1956
    @s.kxx1956 Před 8 měsíci +2

    My wera screwdriver set came with a “death screwdriver” they are ok if you have to prove a live core with no neutral or earth but you have to make sure your not touching anything to earth which is where things go wrong

    • @gene9230
      @gene9230 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Why? they work even better if you touch earth

  • @scoutjonas
    @scoutjonas Před 7 měsíci

    If there is a difference between hot and neutral currents. I would start to look at places that have earth close to it. Like pipes, water, metal doorframes, outdoor lamps/switches.
    If hot and neutral carries the same current. Start to break up the circuit in the electrical boxes to find out when the breaker stops tripping.
    When finding shorts on PCBs, I add external, current limited, power into the short and check with an IR-camera. The fault path and return path will light up and show you the way to the fault 😃

    • @inothome
      @inothome Před 7 měsíci

      That's basically what I did with the amp clamp. Since I knew I had 500 to 1000mA on that neutral in the board, I went to every switch, receptacle, box etc... that is on that circuit to check for the same current, but was unable to see that 500 to 1000mA anywhere. So the fault is somewhere before it gets to any of the boxes. The attic is unaccessible and it's concrete and brick walls. So trying to find where that circuit splits to feed everything is the problem. Owner does not want to start cutting holes in the ceiling or knocking holes in the walls.

  • @markkennard861
    @markkennard861 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Wheres the Wago's.. they need more Wago's.. lol

  • @TheRossz
    @TheRossz Před 8 měsíci

    I was, and I will twist cables. No shitty wagos needed to burn down my house, or houses I'm wiring/fixing.. My entire country used twisting method for decades, and generally without fire caused by them. Before you judge, don't forget that the US uses the same way to make junctions. There is the current double according to Europe, because of the half voltage. I saw many twistings, and asked myself, how on earth they did not burnt the house.
    Fault finding: connect appliances one by one, with a timeframe longer than usual tripping time.

  • @jirikauc5642
    @jirikauc5642 Před 8 měsíci +2

    It used to work and than it stopped, I would assume someone hang something on the wall or something..ask owner if there was any drilling recently.

    • @artisanelectrics
      @artisanelectrics  Před 8 měsíci +2

      Yeah that was the first question we asked - unfortunately it wasn’t that easy but it’s a great place to start

  • @BerkeleyTowers
    @BerkeleyTowers Před 8 měsíci +1

    Fascinating.... Great job!

  • @anenglishmaninbrazil3212
    @anenglishmaninbrazil3212 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Same here in Brazil, no real color code followed just whatever they have and they twist wires like crazy. here I think its a cost issue if they can save a penny they will

    • @Eurobrasil550
      @Eurobrasil550 Před 3 měsíci

      Exactly,! Here in Paraná interior we have bi voltage mains supply,127/220v tomadas (wall outlet sockets) are, identical for each voltage. Where many things like phone Chargers/laptop chargers are multi voltage now, things like fridges, microwaves, air con units are not!

  • @ladas1
    @ladas1 Před 8 měsíci +7

    It's similar here in the Philippines - however it's 220v 2 phase - no neutral - and unless you put your own earth rod in - there is no earth. All the connections in the roof space are just twisted together - even the high amp lines for an oven or an air con. All the wiring in my house is green. No colour coding - nothing.

    • @AAaa-wu3el
      @AAaa-wu3el Před 8 měsíci +1

      You can find the similar things in England, where this guy from.

    • @ChristianWagner888
      @ChristianWagner888 Před 8 měsíci +2

      Everything wired in black with twist & tape splices is the most common in the Philippines. Electricians do usually wire more systematically here than that example from Vietnam.
      When building our own house, I did all the wiring according to the Philippine Electrical Code using the prescribed colors and WAGOs for splices.
      I had to order the wires via Lazada as local hardwares often did not have all the colors I was using: 1st phase - black, 2nd phase - red, earth - green. Wagos were ordered from Amazon US.
      Colored electrical tape can be used to mark wires in the official colors on both ends, if the hardware stores do not have the right colors available. UL listed American wire nuts are available from Wilcon.

    • @Marc-ww7cc
      @Marc-ww7cc Před 8 měsíci +5

      @@ChristianWagner888 it's a sign that nobody is paying attention to the standards when the local electrical store doesn't even stock the appropriately coloured wires and connectors. Blimey.

    • @BrianG61UK
      @BrianG61UK Před 8 měsíci

      I hope you have good insurance.

    • @GlenPoll-ox2hj
      @GlenPoll-ox2hj Před 8 měsíci

      Lol

  • @simonr1392
    @simonr1392 Před 7 měsíci

    Looks a real challenge, I'd love to go and spark there instead of the UK.
    Whilst it looks horrifying, I do wonder statistically how many people get killed from bad electrics!?

  • @joshuat178
    @joshuat178 Před 3 měsíci

    Im off to do some EICR's in Tokyo, Hong Kong, Manilla, Indonesia and Maldives next month. Bet its fking to be interesting

  • @jezrougan
    @jezrougan Před 6 měsíci

    Simplest way to clear that lot up is to power down the income, disconnect everything, and bell out every single cable with a wandering lead and label each line & neutral conductor to a known wiring standard, re fit accessories, test, and hand customer the bill... you can walk away knowing it's safe... customer is safe, installation is safe.. simple's

  • @drwhoeric
    @drwhoeric Před 7 měsíci

    My money is with the issue being a reversed Line and Neutral inside one of the appliances. I recall a Washing Machine that was produced with the Line having resistance to earth and the Neutral inside the Washing Machine being connected to Line.

  • @MrAlexshellard
    @MrAlexshellard Před 8 měsíci

    Just seen your comment, my garage light has done that since we moved in and the t tubes always glow...worrying..... Not my wiring but I will be annoying you re wiring it myself top to bottom. Had to re wire it to move it as I'm doing a full renovation and its a birds nest, believe me it cant get any worse.

  • @footoomsh2
    @footoomsh2 Před 5 měsíci

    i'm not qualified but have some electical and diagnostic knowledge and i would resort to using what used to be called "belling out " equipment to send a signal in a cable and trace it. This is such a mess hahahahah. We used to use this device to trace twisted pair phone and networking cable throughout office blocks and i'm sure it would work here.

  • @Ted_E_Bear
    @Ted_E_Bear Před 8 měsíci +2

    Wow ! Great video !

  • @JorgeAMG187
    @JorgeAMG187 Před 8 měsíci +2

    What is lighting cable. 1.5mm2 can easily be used for up to 16A

    • @A_Canadian_In_Poland
      @A_Canadian_In_Poland Před měsícem

      Depends on the country. In Poland, the limit on 1.5mm2 cable is 14A in many circumstances.

    • @JorgeAMG187
      @JorgeAMG187 Před měsícem

      @@A_Canadian_In_Poland Physics dont change in Poland. There is certain factors to calculate how much the cable can take and most of the time 1.5mm2 is fine for 16A

  • @oskar6747
    @oskar6747 Před 7 měsíci

    I still have my father's probably 50 year old death sticks. And they still work. :D

  • @rorypoole
    @rorypoole Před 4 měsíci

    Why not use coloured pvc tape to mark the wires plurality as you work from the main feed in?

  • @simonabbott7323
    @simonabbott7323 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Capacitance on two way circuits can cause LED lamps to light dimly when off.

    • @GlenPoll-ox2hj
      @GlenPoll-ox2hj Před 8 měsíci

      Or leakage thru the switch
      Green gunk / black oily conductive contaminants in the switch contacts 'grease'

    • @BrainW33a
      @BrainW33a Před 7 měsíci

      I experienced that phenomena with two way wiring - under 4m in length

    • @colincampbell1113
      @colincampbell1113 Před 7 měsíci

      yes i had that had to fit a relay to isolate the lights when the light where off@@BrainW33a

  • @MMMM2MMMM2MMMM
    @MMMM2MMMM2MMMM Před 7 měsíci

    i did my own electrics, i'm not an electrician. I just kept my mind clear. With this.... i would have janked ALL wiring OUT and would start from scratch.

  • @artisanelectrics
    @artisanelectrics  Před 8 měsíci +8

    Honestly the most difficult and confusing fault find I have ever tackled - in Vietnam. Let us know your thoughts in the comments.

  • @mattym8
    @mattym8 Před 8 měsíci

    Canada also uses the same wire gauge as the US even though we are supposed to be metric.

  • @Chris_In_Texas
    @Chris_In_Texas Před 8 měsíci

    From the USA here.... What a mess there! 🤦‍♂🤷‍♂

  • @alvina69
    @alvina69 Před 8 měsíci +1

    All I can say is that I’m glad I live in the UK 🇬🇧

    • @AAaa-wu3el
      @AAaa-wu3el Před 8 měsíci +1

      In the UK it's even worse in places. Every honest UK electrician can confirm that.
      The reason it isn't in your attention - money. Electricians forced not to speak openly because of the client interests electricians work for. What you see on CZcams like "electrical disasters" or so is just the tip of the iceberg.
      Overall almost anything connecting to small businesses in the UK is in near or disastrous state.

  • @1ajs
    @1ajs Před 8 měsíci +1

    nwonder what u do for ground in sand and bedrock situations?

  • @bentleybloke
    @bentleybloke Před 7 měsíci

    I have a fault on a new garage built in my garden. My basic plug tester says live neutral swapped but everything is connected correctly. If I plug somthing into a socket the consumer unit trips the moment I turn on a grinder plugged in. Are there any forums you guys advise to chat and figure out the fault thanks.

  • @supersparks9466
    @supersparks9466 Před 8 měsíci +1

    I wouldn’t want to work on that sort of crazy wiring practice, bad enough here even with proper standards

  • @huwzebediahthomas9193
    @huwzebediahthomas9193 Před 8 měsíci +4

    Very dry ground makes it hard to make a good local earth grounding.
    Makes you afraid to go near any neutral let alone any metal parts of anything.

  • @Addi_Kr-Another_day_in_Paradis
    @Addi_Kr-Another_day_in_Paradis Před 8 měsíci +1

    Welcome to asia..... you should see it here in Philippines...... most of the time no ground and 2 black wire on way over size breaker

    • @Ragnar8504
      @Ragnar8504 Před 8 měsíci

      Russia seems to be the same, and at least some countries that used to be part of the Soviet Union, e.g. Ukraine. Three 16-amp MCBs on a 4 mm2 Al supply split off of a 16 mm2 Al riser mains on 100 amp fuses. Yikes! No earths anywhere to be seen, even in remodels that seem decent at the first glance. I remember watching a YT video of a flat refurb where all the sockets had earths but the earth wires were just bunched up in the consumer unit.

    • @AAaa-wu3el
      @AAaa-wu3el Před 8 měsíci

      @@Ragnar8504 It's plenty rewireable fuses still in use in the UK, were you need to change wire if fuse is blown, plenty of lighting circuits with no earth whatsoever and so on. Actually electrical distributors in UK now are replacing existing copper supply cables with cheap aluminium ones.
      So it's not Soviet Union who ran your electrical system down.

  • @AAaa-wu3el
    @AAaa-wu3el Před 8 měsíci +1

    Can imagine Vietnamese tourist in London were doing fault finding in some Chinese owned Park Lane hotel. What would Artisan say, I wonder.

    • @itiswhatitis3582
      @itiswhatitis3582 Před 8 měsíci

      What.are you trying to make a problem out off nothing

    • @AAaa-wu3el
      @AAaa-wu3el Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@itiswhatitis3582 It might be some Vietnamese frying at far end of that cable Artisan trying to connect. You just not come to other country and do live electrical work without any knowledge of the local code. He is firmly against it in UK, but he doing it abroad just like that.

  • @millers29
    @millers29 Před 7 měsíci

    I'm in Nigeria and see more electrical deaths, no earthing/grounds, and the death stick and light socket with 2 wires used. The cost of a dmm or combo volt-clamp meter is far beyond the resources of the typical tradesman. Most tradesman have no formal training but because of the survival thinking they typically have looked over someone's shoulder. 16:32

  • @alanblyde8502
    @alanblyde8502 Před 8 měsíci +4

    They need too change their standards that’s crazy 🇦🇺

    • @markkennard861
      @markkennard861 Před 8 měsíci +2

      Change ? I would have thought there aren't any.

    • @petermichaelgreen
      @petermichaelgreen Před 8 měsíci

      Standards are meaningless without a legal/cultural/economic environment that makes those standards matter.
      People deride "ambulance chasers" and "health and stop-it" all the time, and certainly it sometimes goes too far, but this is what you get on the opposite extreme. A place where noone takes safety seriously.

  • @jooproos6559
    @jooproos6559 Před 7 měsíci

    32 amps is amazing!Except when there is a low voltage..We have standard 230 volt-16 amp.

  • @samfish6938
    @samfish6938 Před 3 měsíci

    Fault finding listetn to customer.split circuit in two
    I don't but it's best way to find fault quickly..I can usually go in and find a fault in 5 minutes.sometimes it's better to bypass fault by running new circuits.years and years ago in London it took 2 days to lift floorboards in expensive house to find broken cable,wire
    Would have been better to run new circuit, years later I was talking to customer no power in store room after an hour they told me contractor had done work in building and had cut pipes with wires then covered the damage up
    I just abandoned old work and ran new wires in 20 minutes

  • @peterrobbienuttycombe3541
    @peterrobbienuttycombe3541 Před 5 měsíci

    No ink to Ian channel very interesting 😊 0:41

  • @benjaminvivar7855
    @benjaminvivar7855 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Do you think a Signal toner
    Would work to trace an unknown wire ?

    • @Ragnar8504
      @Ragnar8504 Před 8 měsíci

      Probably yes, unless the wires are too deep inside the concrete. The neutral-earth short might affect the tracer though, not 100% sure if they work with one of the wires earthed.

  • @Gerrit-Max
    @Gerrit-Max Před 8 měsíci +1

    Solution, rip it out and start over, the proper way. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @ForTheBirbs
    @ForTheBirbs Před 8 měsíci +2

    Wow,,what an eye opener! Ian's YT link?

    • @artisanelectrics
      @artisanelectrics  Před 8 měsíci

      In the description

    • @chrisgoodwin3617
      @chrisgoodwin3617 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Whilst you were having a six month break in and around Thailand, I’m sure John’s not bitter.

  • @ericwait2166
    @ericwait2166 Před 21 dnem

    Twisting wires which I love doing!!! BUT THIS IS FOR 1.5 Volt up to 9v Maximum torch battery anything else I think your risking a short, fire hazard etc ACTIONS reflect the level of RISK!!!!

  • @TONE11111
    @TONE11111 Před 8 měsíci

    The very first domestic electricity cabling was all just loosely twisted or folded together

  • @johnarkle7916
    @johnarkle7916 Před 8 měsíci +4

    Wow ! I sometimes think that the UK standards are a little bit of overkill, but this is something of my worst nightmares, a real sh1tshow

    • @Ragnar8504
      @Ragnar8504 Před 8 měsíci +1

      This beats average Russian work (if only by a small margin), and "Russian" has in many parts of Europe been synonymous with "bodged" for a long time.

  • @roystevenson1375
    @roystevenson1375 Před 2 měsíci

    Well you weren't much help tracing this fault.I like to use a tone tester for speed.narrows down what is actually on this leg or where the break is.Strange voltage are normally a broken neutral

  • @AnthonyChopra
    @AnthonyChopra Před 8 měsíci

    if i was a developer or a house owner id Make sure any cable coming into a house there id make
    Red=Hot and Green - Netural from there board into mine for a home
    and maybe add a ground to the boxes incase they make that a legal standard

  • @BarneySaysHi
    @BarneySaysHi Před 8 měsíci

    Yes, I've twisted wires together. And then I added a wirenut.

  • @SkavenUK
    @SkavenUK Před 7 měsíci

    21:58 Brother, there is a reason why he is bald LOL

  • @neillourens5387
    @neillourens5387 Před 3 měsíci

    Awesome video.....😊

  • @huwzebediahthomas9193
    @huwzebediahthomas9193 Před 8 měsíci +3

    They desperately need choc blocks in shops.

  • @19rappy
    @19rappy Před 8 měsíci

    Hello from central Florida