Who Is The Most Evil Character In UNDERTALE? Undertale Theory | UNDERLAB
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Undertale has a colourful cast of characters - from the borderline demonic Flowey, to the motherly, always compassionate Toriel, the morality spectrum is covered from beginning to end. Which character is the most evil overall, then? I'd say just ask them, but that probably isn't a good idea with certain characters - so join UNDERLAB and find out!
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Calling it now: It's Jerry.
DittoMaster6 I love your user name
oh, my... all of this is coming together... the fact that nobody likes him... that he looks like a satanic symbol . . .
it must be jerry,
thank you for opening my eyes!
Karma the Polar bear He's the flat mew master lol
Aphmau FanBase #aarmau4lyfe
gg
"You can kill so many monsters to the point that Sans the Lazybones will stop napping for 5 seconds in order to kick your ass."
That's the best line of the video.
I love that line
I agree 100%
@@minecraft6829 same
I agree 100000000000000%
Ahahahahahahaha
I love how Toriel is ranked 'Pretty Much Herself'
yeah
Why is there a rank called pretty much toriel
“Toriel is basicly toriel”
Me: I uhh I didn’t see that coming
Hmmmm who would've thought
Ah yes the floor is made out of floor
Ah yes the bird is made out of bird
and the sky is the sky
And the stick is made out of stick
I will never forget that flowey is secretly a bank clerk
What
Minecraft- FNAF Fanatics 0:38
2:08
Lol
And that bank clerks try to kill you if you fall down.
Wait, what? That’s awesome!!!!
Flowey : kills every body
Jerry: leaves cheetos dust on the controller
Underlab: "The most wicked creature"
Yeah. Who else killed everyone too? The player. No, don't you blame chara. The player is the one who pressed the buttons.
Also, yeah that's a joke.
Chara Blames the player because The Player/You did the Genocide Run jeeze do I have to explain
The true bad guy is toriel because if u keep trying to spare her she starts to do a evil laugh
I mean, since humans and monsters are different races that means that monsters are racist since they attack you just because you are human, some of them treat you like simply being born a human is a crime
@@travisbowers4142 that's not an evil laugh. She's laughing to hide her sadness
Papyrus gets 3
Everyone : *You dare give the 3 to the ultimate cinnamon roll.*
Tbh the first time I played undertale I didn't like him because he was pretty narcissistic, now I realize it's Sans fault but it doesn't change the fact that he's still a narcissist
@@violetgeoda2913 thats, what makes him loveable
@@lewismartin3430 not really, his innocence and kindness make him loveable not his narcissism
Toriel shouldn't be higher than papyrus the only thing papyrus does is fight you and he doesn't kill you in the fight just "captures" you toriel fights and kills you just because you want to go home
He’s not exactly a cinnamon roll. He’s arrogant, narcissistic, and tries to capture you and send you to be executed.
"The skeleton will actually stop napping for 5 seconds to kick your ass"
Excellent quote by underlab
.
Plot Twist: Underlab isn't talking about Sans, but the human skeleton model in your school science class.
Happened to me
na undyne the undying did that for me
@@gfgfhgvgh that is sans but ded
You know what to do :)
1. Flowey
2. TORIEl.
3. Sans
4. PAPRYUS!
5. Monster kid
6. Undyne
7. Nastablook
8. Jerry
9. ASGORE.
10. Asriel
0. The fallen child
(This is how this works.. how many likes this has.. you look at the last digit in that number. For example if the like count was 25 ... you would pick 5 and that's what character you get! Simple)
AFoxFromSpace14
Sans😃😃😃
AFoxFromSpace14 😉
DANG IT OF COURSE I HAD TO GET JERRY-
AFoxFromSpace14 fallen child
chara isn't evil.
Oh no... Jerry with a human soul... *_the ultimate evil has awoken_*
WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE!!!
YOU JUST. CREATED THAT AU, THANKS ALOT!! WHYHYYYY!?!?!?
Ahmad septim Fucking idiot
@@reynanlamsen2007 Wow calm down lol
Omega Jerry. J E R R Y H A S S I X S O U L S
Toriel doesn't think the "claim one soul, go to the surface for more" plan is a good idea, she just uses it to prove that Asgore doesn't truly believe in his own cause.
I agree. I think her number one flaw is how overprotective she is. Either that, or the fact that she doesn't absolutely spoil the dog.
Asriel gets 1
Asgore gets 7
Everyone: :/
Edit: 418 likes 37 replies
This is 1 year ago i have no idea what i was talking about
Only do i know this is undertale oof
(Wtf was i talking aboutitiriiwijamaowowkwkw)
Edit: hmm by the title
Evil points?
Yeah if it's evil points fr asriel is way worse ngl
@Depressed Devan Key Then Chara is desreving of 11.
@Depressed Devan Key chara seems only to exist to ensure there are consequences to your actions, and knowing they can't sever you connection to the world, they erase it, so that you can't use the monsters as toys. And when you get the world back, chara makes sure you can never get a good ending afterwards. They may only slightly be worse than sans. Chara didn't force the player to do anything. And when they harmed everyone. Made sure they couldn't escape the consequences.
asgore seven
AS IN SEVEN SOULS
Asgore is no freaking bully
Asgore should get a 2 or 3
Underlab : There is still one person we haven't mentioned yet,
Me : Chara?
Underlab : Jerry
Me : Wait, wtf
why y’all still replying on this comment, it’s 5 years old
XD
me too
James Nguyen well that's impossible to calculate if you do pacfist chara will help you do pacifist but if you do genocide she well help you with genocide if you genocide before pacfist she seems evil at the end with the crossed of picture the creepy thing just shows you can't erase your actions if you kill someone sometimes chara well gets a little dark but she is not that evil so it's kinda impossible
XD I know right everyone was expecting someone like chara or the river boat guy or the annoying dog or monster kid or W.D. gaster but instead he mentioned this jerry which I have never seen during an undertale playthrough
James Nguyen maybe he named him/her jerry
So Toriel is Basically Toriel huh? Should have seen that one coming.
ElvishCyborg 😂
XD
ElvishCyborg Yeah.
HA
Seems legit.
Frisk: So was Mettaton made to be a human hunting robot first or an entertainment robot first?
Toby Fox: Yesn’t
*y e s n ' t*
Underlab: Jerry is the most evil character in undertale
Annoying dog: you’re 100% correct and there’s no need to look any deeper😅
Sans when you don't kill papyrus but you kill everyone else: Meh
Sans when you kill papyrus but don't kill anyone else: *Slightly Pissed*
Sans when you kill everyone: thats enough
If you kill paps but save evryone else he is trying to keep calm but deep down he wants to kill you
Sans: and now you’ve gone to far buddy
If you only kill toriel and papyrus he will say: your close to having a bad time
The more LV you have the more he has a chance to fight you cause he is the leader of the judges
Sans: So you have chosen....death
I think you were a little harsh on Asgore, considering it was very clear that he did not want to fight the player, but he knew he must.
Cravone Gaming Intent doesn't always excuse actions.
yep :I ASGORE was forced to fight the humans btw hope means hp for monsters if there is more hope there are no more monsters :(
If intent doesn't excuse actions technically alphys is more evil than asgore, seeing as they condemned many more monsters than humans asgore killed to a life of pain. Granted, they do get freed but nothing good comes of the experiments, while asgore's killing of humans is what saved the monsters.
Undertale has no villain, its just characters that have been thrown around by life
Humans are the true villains ngl
Chara
@@torterratortellini6641 what did chara do? didnt they poison themselves to get the 7 souls for asgore?
@@astronxmically2817 chara tried to kill the universe
But jerry is a bitch tho
10:53 Green soul: We can hear you, you know.
Me: (;´༎ຶٹ༎ຶ`)
Wait wait wait....
2 is “pretty much toriel”
So toriel is only, kinda toriel?
DUN DUN DUUN
Travis The Roblox Gamer I was a week late ._,
Duh.
@@therobloxian4518 it ok
Travis The Roblox Gamer :p
Jerry is basically an incarnation of the stereotype "That Guy."
That one type of person all of us have met at least once in our lives that does unspeakable things like sitting on two seats in the bus or shaking your hand while their hand is very dirty
@@nataliaborys1554 and eats kitkats without snapping them, you know, like how you would eat a cookie
The most evil character:
Snowdrake’s dad.
But how???
@VALE220 so, basically will smith but he uses emotional attacks
@@jonahboris6681
"My son wants to be a comedian just like his fathah, but he tells awful puns and is an embarrassment of the family ha ha ha ha"
@@zhuiwie8488 'that's not funny'
Talking about killing humans:
Green soul:
We can hear you, you know.
Toriels rating:
Pretty much Toriel
seems legit
Great observation, Captain obvious.
Toriel is Jesus
Yeah, this is big brain time.
Yeah, no crap Sherlock.
I feel like papyrus deserves a better score because you say that he knows that your a dangerous threat and the spaghetti isn't his fault he cooks bad and that's not evil
Sans should have a higher rating because his motivation isn't himself, its his bro. He really only cares about his friends.
@@emmafrey2626 that is totally true, but he isn't Toriel. he might have killed Frisk without his promise. But Paps deserves the same rating as Asriel. He believes in you in GENOCIDE, and he is a little naive, but that heart of gold, makes him special.
If Asriel is a 1, then Papyrus should be a one, too.
I love how he says on his chart thingy at the start before Flowey that 2 is pretty much Toriel, then proceeds to give Toriel a 2 in the scale...
I swear him putting Papyrus and Sans on the same number in the morality scale makes me question morality itself
yes papyrus is 1 karma
Finally someone understands how horrifying and evil Jerry is
Sentinel LJ he manes attacks 2 second long THAT SO EVIL
He is so evil
Sentinel LJ It’s Jerry And Chara Who Is Evil At The Rate Of 10
Golden Freddy / Shadow Freddy there is no proof that Chara is evil
I have a friend with Jerry's personality
(There’s a rating called “basically Toriel”)
*hM I WoNder WhAt RaTinG ToRiEls GonNA GeT*
Basically jesus of course
Franek M nope she got basically toriel
@@johnerangey251 r/woooosh
Franek M shut up she got that and I don’t even know what it means
@@johnerangey251 how old are u?
"The humans morality is you, the players choice. You can be all forgiving and spare everyone, or kill so many monsters that sans stops napping for 5 seconds to beat your @ss."
I asked my sister and she just said “toriel,”
Slap her to the underground. Sell her soul to Asgore.
>:(
Wait was that chara sorry I might've pushed her down (if u don't understand the joke on that story in the beginning that's chara falling down but frisk also slipped down but it could just be frisk)
@@VEAU_music
Chara wouldn’t say Toriel
I did pacifist route and only killed Jerry
Im so proud of myself
Did u see photo shop flowey?
destroy jerry at all costs
so its not pacifist its netural
You did the underground a favor. Well done.
Undyne... kinda. It 1.6 K so I said "Welp, it's 6."
Toriel just wanted you to be safe from asgore.
Papyrus just wanted to impress undyne
Undyne saw you as a threat and tried to eliminate you
Mettaton only wanted to serve for entertainment
Asgore only wanted your soul in order to destroy the barrier
Flowey was incapable of feeling...feelings.
Undyne the Undying knows that you will destroy the underground, and tried to fight you with all her might.
Mettaton NEO knew he had no chance against you, and only tries to delay the destruction, hoping that the monsters could evacuate.
Sans knew you won't just destroy the underground, but the entire dimension, so he exploited all the rules of an RPG, and wanted to make you feel the pain of the other monsters, by exploiting the game mechanics and killing you over and over, hoping that you will rage-quit.
Chara only wanted to teach you a lesson for following the path of genocide.
and you... You just wanted to complete the game.
OK. I'm on Sans fight. It's hard but...
I'm like the calmest freakin' person ever when it comes to gaming. I've actually never raged before. What's it like? Is it like losing your temper? Cause I have a very short one. I've never quit a game out of anger or anything, heck, I've only been triggered once. (That was my lil sis' fault.)
WHY DON’T YOU HAVE MORE LIKES?!
So it's fine to throw fireballs at a little kid? Also I didn't see her following Frisk making sure the kid was safe......also didn't we already deal with monsters in the Ruins? We know how dangerous it would be not only that BUT SHE LEFT IS in the Ruins with a bunch of monsters that could attack us and kill us. Tori is a terrible mom and very irresponsible. She also picked Sans to watch.......yeah....he's terrible at his job and threatened Frisk. Look you don't threaten little kids even as a joke and Tori if she was smart would keep Frisk FAR away from him. He'd make the worst dad and uncle period. Pap.....at least he didn't kill us and once you make friends with him he's the least evil out of all of them.
Also before you say Tori purposely missed Frisk with the fireballs.....you can still die by accident by Tori's hands. You should never freaking fight your kids.
Melodyofthesea78 They’re not justifying toriel’s actions, just saying that she wants to keep frisk safe. Even if she wasn’t the best on carrying those actions out.
makes sense that toriel is 2 because 2 is described as “pretty much toriel”
Underlab: Flowey would technically get a 10.
Also Underlab: Flowey, the hero of undertale!
Underlab: there's one character we haven't talked about yet..
Me:FINALLY, tEmMi-
Underlab:Jerry!
Me:wait, wtf
Stolen comment
Temmy is Jesus wtf
We nEeD tEmMiE rOiGhT nOw! But seriously I love temmie. Evan TEM SHOP TEMMIE!
But most players extort poor Temmie's colleg muns with dog residue
Stop liking the comment he stole someone's comment
Jerry,most evil
me:*SPITS OUT ICED TEA*
EDIT:wow like 72 people are sad my iced tea died
RIP ice tea ;(
same but it was hot chocolate for me :P
rest in papyrus ice tea
don't worry,the iced tea came back to the glass.XD
don't worry,the iced tea came back to the glass.XD
i think asgore should In 6 instead of 7 since he didnt really Want to hurt humans since he only does it for the sake of his people to not Lose hope
I think Papyrus should have been 2 instead of 3 because of how innocent he his (even while dying from your hand in genocide he STILL believes you can be a good person) but aside from that little nitpick I think the list is perfect.
Frisk: Are you jesus?
Sans: Pretty much mate!
wohohohohohoho! Ye ol' whoppie cushion in me hand trick! Ah, never mind, that's me, I shait meself!
Lars Bleyen
Frisk: this says otherwise(plays video)
Sans:Noooooooooo
Raven Dzapasi-Dabbs hahahahahahahaha lol
SUPER FUNNY (+ if undertale was realistic refrence)
Noah thanks
Lars Bleyen no its are you God or something
Asriel: T-poses
Also Asriel: gets first right after that
Oh my god my memories flood in
I used to watch this channel alot
I fear no man
But that thing
“Major Spoilers Ahead!”
It’s scares me.
5:45 I mean for him his Spagetti is a masterpiece so you can’t say he wants to feed you gross Spagetti because he doesn’t know it’s gross and Papyrus likely doesn’t know how bad it is to get captured and brought to the capital because he thinks asgore is nice like Toriel.
Fair point.
Uhh, "Did asgore shave? And clone himself?"
Apparently he doesn't know her.
Haz, true, but I don’t think @drAgONi_187 meant that papyrus knew Toriel.
I ate cold spaghetti with ketchup for dinner
@@mari-with-a-gun yeah but it was just an example
2:basically toriel
Toriel: *gets 2*
Hmmmmmm yes the floor here is made out of floor
nope toriel gets 3
Toriel gets 10.
The tor here is made out of tor
I use the fish to fish the fish
@@mrtynz1649 seems legit
*sees a rating called pretty much toriel*
Wtf why is there a rating called pretty much toriel?
I'd give Napstablook a 2, actually. He's so polite, and when you encounter him, you attack first. You move him with the force. Although raining acid on children is pretty... uhh... weird.
Don't lie to us.
You just came because you saw "evil" and Papyrus.
Underlab NOTICE MEEEEEEEEE
Alex 8259 lol I did
You caught me 😂
Jolee Wass i thought i was the genocidal one
Alex 8259 What other secrets u know about me???
PAPYRUS DESERVES THAT 1 LIKE C'MON
Yes he dose
PAPYRUS NEEDS A 1
MadiisMyName lol
If not 2
i say i rate papyrus from 1-10
0
12:47 this is my favorite quote in all of UnderLab
9: Bank clerk.
That is legendary
SOMEONE ELSE:
actually, i think it would make more sense if papyrus had a 1.
yes, he DOES attack you, but in truth, all he REALLY wants is to be everyones friend. in the pacifist or neutral(if you spare him) route, he will actually LIE to undyne because he does not want her to kill you. undyne is NOT the kind of monster to forgive that when it comes to a HUMAN at that point in undertale, so if she actually FOUND OUT, papyrus would LOSE a friend, and undyne would PROBABLY stop training him. we all know that papyrus would HATE to lose a friend, so the fact that he did that is actually really nice. in the genocide route, he is the ONLY character who actually still believes you can be a good person, NO OTHER CHARACTER believes in you.
so it would make sense to give him a 1.
yet lying to her wouldn't be good either. i think it would make sense if he had a 2
@@angeliawinslow2635 well nope bc he lied for the greater good
Angelia Moore if he told the truth you’d die.
What about nabstablook oh sorry.... I just wanted to comment oh.. sorry...
to much to read!
I loved the way you judged undyne and the thing abt the same mistake as the humans I didn’t think of that!
I like when he says “the death of six innocent humans” and the green soul is like “we can hear you, you know”
This is for Frisk/Chara:
LV 1: 1
2-3: 2
4-5: 3
6-7: 4
8-9: 5
10-11: 6
12-13: 7
14-15: 8
16-17: 9
18-19: 10
20: *11*
11- Basically Satan 😈
It's 2 différent entity no? That's a little bit hypocrite to kill all of these monsters and say " it's Chara, I'm a nice person ".
11 is the spawn of satan
Oh I'm like 7 or 8 forgot which oh no
Lvl 1 with exp is 1.5
Who would’ve thought Lazybones could cause migraines
Flowey has admitted to also doing his own genocide run before the player or frisk fell exceeding Floweys determination
I’m saying it now: Papyrus is a -10
Nah I would personally consider him a 5
*Sans Has Found a Shotgun*
111111111111111111111
@@parkertown2229 WHAT
I would put him at about 2
Can we just appreciate that 9 is “Bank Clerk”?
One day Flowey became a bank clerk......no one liked him.
10 is satans right hand man so jerry is a demon(chara2.0)
If you get 2, it means "basicly toriel"
OF COURSE TORIEL IS A 2
9: bank clerk
I nearly died
10:52
Kindness: “ *We can hear you, you know* “
1 Basically Jesus
2 Pretty Much Toriel
3 Normal
4 Questionable
5 Could Be Nicer
6 A Bit Of A Jerk
7 High School Bully
8 Unsavoury Vandal
9 Bank Clerk
10 Deserving A Bad Time
supermum9 yeet
Alternate universe;
Me: Toriel will be rated "pretty much toriel".
Underlab: Toriel gets a 10.
Me: 🤔"how does that even work?"
👕
👖
I am a bit of a jerk
Jerry is an eleventy-seven
supermum9 THANK YOG NOW I DONT NEED TO GO BACK TO THE END
Even though we aren’t really a character, the player is still the most evil person in Undertale. We (most people) RESET so many times and kill them all without much remorse (at least for me). We controlled Frisk, probably without them wanting us to, and used them to kill everyone over and over, and then once we got a “happy ending” we RESET and took it all away. Even Flowey didn’t want to RESET that. We truly are the most evil one in Undertale.
...
...
Hardboiled egg
artemis _770 yeah
This is what I don’t get. Why is it that we constantly shit on the player for “cOnTrOlLiNg” Frisk on the genocide route but insist Frisk is responsible for the pacifist route? Pick a side and stick with it.
@@foolishfool1963 So are we Chara?
@@PhilVyn46137 No. I don’t know what comment you thought you read to think Chara was in any way relevant.
I am staying up late so I feel Alphys in the outro.
I didn’t expect the end
The evilest is not Flowey
*ItS aCtUaLlY gEnOcIdE lOvErS*
The only monster down here is me.
Nyeh heh heh
Howdy!
So Flowey? he HAS killed everyone hundreds of times
so flowey
“Sans the lazy bones will stop napping for five seconds and actually kick your a-“
12:53
Yeah it’s so bad that he decides to finally break a promise and make you rage
Toriel gets a basically toriel
Me: of course she is toriel
To be honest, I would've taken a point or two off of Asgore's score and had him at about *5*. He's not really what I'd call a bad person-- more a good person who was forced into doing the things he did in moments of weakness (IE. rage and cowardice), and you can definitely tell that he really, _really_ does not want to go through with it and immensely regrets what he's doing, but feels he has to for the sake of his people. Plus, considering the equipment of the other fallen humans was found at various different points across the Underground instead of just at New Home like their SOULs were, it's not even certain whether Asgore did kill them himself.
Likewise, I don't really see what was stopping Toriel from enacting her _"kill one human, cross barrier, kill six random humans on other side, then break barrier"_ plan herself if she was that adamant that Asgore was a terrible person because he wouldn't do it. You could justify that with her Pacifism, but the way I see it, it just makes her a bit of a hypocrite-- particularly with her acting as if she was the only one affected by the deaths of both their own children and the six other humans that fell down, and selfishly abandoning her people when they needed her the most. I'd have given her a 3 or 4.
Undyne is worse because she shows no remorse when trying to kill Frisk, Asgore at least does
+Generic Username
I dont think so.
Undyne never knew humans could be nice, and she obviously cared for Frisk once they became friends in the pacifist run.
And Undyne clearly is a 1 in the genocide run.
She fights you, even tho she knows that youll defeat her at some point.
But she doesnt give up, and even comes back from the dead to stop you.
She sacrifices herself in order to slow you down so Alphys can evacuate the Underground.
I cant think of anything more heroic.
She's a bit harsh, but clearly a good person.
+RobotwarsKing
I agree.
Most people dont seem to realize that Asgore didnt _want_ to do the things he did - he _had_ to.
But I dont think Toriel should be a 4.
I agree, it does kind of make her a hypocrite, but, just like Asgore, she was forced in this situation.
She recently lost both of her children and now her (usually soft) husband starts killing other children.
She was confused, and ran away.
Both of them are great persons that were forced in a situation they both didnt want.
I just feel sorry for both of them.
Nobody deserves to lose their children in such a terrible way.
(Im sorry for my bad english, I hope you get my point.)
Perhaps, and you do raise some valid points. The thing is though, the reason I gave Toriel a score as high as that is mostly down to not only her being a hypocrite (especially with the whole _"If Asgore is so terrible for not using one soul to cross over the Barrier, kill six random humans and use those to break the Barrier, why doesn't she do it herself"_ thing), but also down to her not nearly being as good as people say she is when you actually look a bit deeper into certain things.
I mean, sure, she's nice enough, but not exactly the paragon of virtue everyone says she is- especially when you consider she acted the whole time like Asgore was gleefully slaughtering children (when a, it's not even certain if he did kill them himself, and b, he's evidently heartbroken by it regardless) that again, she was the only one who was suffering as a result of their deaths, and as someone else mentioned, how eerily OK she is in most of the endings where she lives (except True Pacifist, where she has more time to think about it) with her ex-husband being murdered by either Frisk or Flowey.
Likewise, Toriel wasn't confused when she abdicated from the throne, she knew full well what she was doing and abandoned her people when they needed her the most on the basis of her own beliefs. And it doesn't change the fact that she could've easily acted out her own plan to break the Barrier more quickly, but she didn't, and basically left to hide in the Ruins, wallow in her own self-pity and to avoid having to take firm-but-unpleasant action that would ultimately benefit the kingdom in the long run. Basically, the exact same thing she's accusing Asgore of, so he's really not the only one to blame for it, as she tries to make out.
That, and the fact she tried to hold the children who fell down in the Ruins in there forever regardless of their will, even going as far as considering destroying the exit to stop Frisk leaving after the other six left and died before they directly intervened. It's not as bad as say, declaring war on humanity (Asgore) or trying to rip someone's soul out of their still-living body (Undyne), but it's still essentially kidnapping.
But yeah, don't think me saying all this means I don't like Toriel. She's a very good character, but one thing that does annoy me is when she's held up on a pedestal as this perfect, saintly individual whilst Asgore is seen as this brutal ghoul who gleefully murders children despite him not actually being that bad at all.
+robotwarsking ^ respect! ^ that was very well-argued.
toriel is pretty much toriel! Mind---- BLOWN!!!
Ewan Yong How can Goat Mama is riel?
Ewan Yong I saw that too!
IFKR
Ewan Yong
XDDD
Ewan Yong I know right asriel is basically Jesus
One glaring oversight, and who I think re-arranges everything, is MONSTER KID. in every single route, he does the most honorable thing he can, and yet never once attacks you. To ME, this makes Monster Kid even MORE PURE than Asriel.
Legend says if you meet Jerry is a dark alleyway you'll get shanked before you can even flinch absolutely wrapped.
Personally I think that Papyrus is the nicer than Toriel. And with the throwing bones in your face situation, Toriel throws fireballs at you. You might say "Oh she was doing that to protect you" well she shows no remorse when you get hit (neither does any character) also Papyrus doesnt want to kill you, he wants to capture you. Toriel wants you to stay with her. And if she wanted to keep you safe she could have gone with you into the underground. Also, Papyrus just needs to practise making spaghetti more. Also Toriel seems to replace each child with another every time a new human child ends up in the underground.
Most of this is proving they are quite similar but I also think Papyrus is nicer!
BatPenguin Gaming Thank you for that bit of info. I didn't know that!
Papyrus is an adult who told a child to eat mushrooms, then he led that child through deadly, unfair traps he created that would have made Jigsaw proud, beat the child in order to become a guard (not because Alphys told him to like everyone else), and spent the rest of the game being an unhelpful sarcastic tool.
And don't give me that "Papyrus doesn't know any better" bullshit. He reads complex books, is an expert at controlling his magic (even more so than Toriel), and has an extensive vocabulary that a scientist would use (uses words like "infallible" and "esteemed").
Replay the game and listen to his phone calls CAREFULLY.
There's a difference between being confused and being sarcastic. Lemme put down some word for word phone conversations and you tell me if this FULLY GROWN ADULT is acting confused or being a dick.
Papyrus's room: WOW! IT ONLY TOOK YOU FOUR SECONDS TO CALL ME!! YOU MUST BE VERY DESPERATE FOR MY HELP!!! WELL! DO NOT FEAR! THIS IS PAPYRUS'S HOTFUL HELPLINE! JUST DESCRIBE YOUR LOCATION, AND...! I WILL DESCRIBE SOME HOT TIPS! SO, WHERE ARE YOU? ... ... YOU'RE STILL IN MY ROOM?? ... HAVE YOU HEARD OF SOMETHING CALLED A... DOOR? WAIT! DON'T WORRY! I'LL DRAW A DIAGRAM FOR YOU!
Call him again: HOLD UP! I'M STILL DRAWING!
Undyne's house: THAT'S UNDYNE'S HOUSE. YOU KNOW, THE ONE WITH THE SKELETON IN FRONT.
Outside the lab after dating undyne: Undyne: That's Alphys's house. Hey, why don't we all go over and watch anime? Papyrus: ANIME? ISN'T THAT A KIND OF CARTOON FOR SMALL CHILDREN? Undyne: Oh my GOD!!! Anime isn't just for kids! It's deep! It's EMOTIONAL!!! Papyrus: IS (THE SOUND A BABY MAKES) AN EMOTION? Undyne: YEah CAUSE It'S HoW I'M FEElinG RIGHT NOW!!!
Call again: Papyrus: WAIT... UNDYNE, DO YOU LIKE ANIME? Undyne: ... Papyrus: UH OH!!! I MEAN, I'VE NEVER SEEN ANY. MAYBE I ACTUALLY DO LIKE ANIME! Undyne: You don't have to say that, Papyrus. Papyrus: MAYBE I'M A BABY WHO LOVES CARTOONS FOR CHILDREN!Undyne: YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY THAT, PAPYRUS!!
There are more, but I really don't think I need to post them at this point and the comment won't post if it's too long. Also, just because he's an asshole doesn't mean I don't like him. It's actually BECAUSE he's a complete tool, that I love him! XD
I'm 26 and I still don't have a job, so we can't just assume he's eighteen, all we know for sure is that he's younger than Sans. He also doesn't have a job as of yet, he's still training to get one as a royal guard. And even if he IS trying to be legitimately helpful, that doesn't imply that Frisk isn't asking for help...it's actually the opposite, especially since the "info" Papyrus gives usually revolves around the room Frisk is in.
Not that any of the smartass calls I listed so much as hint that he's being anything other than a smartass, but you get the idea.
Underlab: he killed six human souls...
Green Soul: *we can hear you.*
(Edit: God, I think started a soul meaning discussion.)
Green / kindness soul
seachele 86 frick kindness green is sassiness
makes you wonder what the human souls know now...
I think green is envy
And Undyne XD
Mettaton lying about Alphys: *Exists*
Underlab: Ok i believe you
Me: O_O
I love that 9 is bank clerk
(Insert lie about it being my birthday or something like that)
Now give me likes.
How about this instead?
*Shoots Fireflower Fire Ball*
Austin Russell (gets tricked)Happy Birthday!!!!!
lol haha like for how true this is
Austin Russell one difference: unlike them, you deserve likes for being funny.
Austin Russell i like how it is my birthday to day
Ahahahahah Jerry is terrible lol
I don't agree on your rating on Muffet, though. She does clearly state that the reason she attacks you is because she was told you are very hateful towards spiders and that she was promised a good sum of money which she wants to use to rescue the spiders in the ruins.
She is basically doing this to save her own kind.
Saving Her Own Kind? By Making Spider cider Out Of Spiders?Yeah It Seems Legit *COUGH* *COUGH* Greedy *COUGH* Spider *COUGH*
The game engine but even the spiders in the ruins make food out of spiders, even though they have no contact with Muffet... Dunno, it's kinda weird.
Then again, everything about this game is weird.
Pretty Much My Life
as others say, she does use spiders in her food, but you are right. she may use spiders in her baking, but what if they just died????
Candy Food so you're ok to eat human flesh if they die?
Great video
I just realized that the eyes of Jerry aren't his nostrils
*After 4 long years*
Well, this is one of my longest episodes yet! The longest, perhaps? Hmm... anyhow, where do you fit in on the karma scale? Who do you think is the most evil character? Let me know!
If you particularly enjoyed this episode, please like the Reddit post! www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/5u204q/who_is_the_most_evil_character_in_undertale/
please make your undertale walkthough on youtube already
Underlab Where's king Mel
Am I really that early?
Underlab Hi
Underlab it said you took this down for me so I had to go on my ipad
Underlab defiantly flowey
I don't know the most evil character but I DO know the most evil character OUTSIDE of it:
80% Of the fanbase
Splooshy The Inkling スプローシェ I laughed so hard after reading that
Splooshy The Inkling スプローシェ so true
Splooshy The Inkling スプローシェ Its 2017
95%
Splooshy The Inkling スプローシェ true. frisk is the most evil creature ever (us) we are just some fans controlling frisk and make chara watch her family and friends she made before die.
CHARA IS THE MOST EVIL HE FORGOT ABOUT THEM
Bonus fact: the bonus fact in the outro says: *GASTER IS PROBABLY A ZERO ON THE KARMA SCALE*
After some research I discovered that 0 in Wingdings is a closed folder, which is the symbol in the bonus fact at the end.
I sort of recall a secret ending to the game where you die in the ruins by staying there with Torial. From what I recall all you have to do is keep going to bed and eventually the game goes to a end card talking about how you lost your determination. I would say her negative karma should be a bit higher considering she kidnaps you and forces you to fight her, even if you have already displayed a pacifist mentality.
"Evil" and "Good" are subjective. It all depends on the viewpoint.
"Good is a point of view, Anakin."
Thanks, Emperor Palpatine.
Yea, EXCEPT JERRY! HE’S THE ONLY NON SUBJECTIVE CHARACTER IN MORALITY.
It's really not about what's your viewpoint. It's more about morality and what actions are and aren't justified. If you're a bank robber, of course robbing banks might seem good to you, but is it justified?
@@Mickelraven exactly 👍
3:42 Toriel is pretty much Toriel
*an infinite loophole*
Obviously
That makes sense.
Lol I love the part that you say "By killing Semi monsters. You can stop sans from napping for 5 seconds, in order to kick your ass" that made my day and its only 6:04 o'clock.
You deserve to have 1B subs
Note to remember
1- basically Jesus
2- pretty much Toriel
3- normal
4- questionable
5- could be nicer
6- a bit of a jerk
7- high school bully
8- unsunsavoury vandal
9- bank clerk
10- deserving of a bad time.
Toriel is number 2 and she is basically her self O.o
Thx!!
Toriel
Flowey is a bank clerk ._.
@@ioniccat5384 or deserving a bad time.
I'm glad Asriel got a 1 on it. Can't help but love the kid.
mikigirl18 Aww Thanks I am nice
Prince Asriel Dreemurr azzy
Asreil is the best kid In the whole undertale world.
12:06 CALLED IT
I wasn't gonna post another comment since I commented already but 7:10 is honestly a lot deeper than I think toby intended undyne's Character to go
I love it
1. player during pacifist
10. player during genocide
Jenna S. 5 or 6 in neutral
Actually, you could still be a jerk on a pacifist route, so possibly 1-6 (maybe 7) based on scale. His scale wasn't really well-thought out as "little bit of a jerk" scores 6 and Undyne who is rude to you (unless you befriend her eventually), tries to kill a child completely unprovoked on pacifist route even if for "greater good" and Asgore who is far nicer than Undyne and was conflicted about killing the same gets score 7. Granted he might have killed more than Undyne, , we don't know. In addition he also gave an order to kill 7 humans but Undyne was very eager to do so. So Undyne actions go well beyond "little bit of a jerk".
@@nagatouzumaki3492 being a jerk pacifist is the funniest oxymoron
Undyne in genocide should get a score of 2 or 3
@@giga9001 Undyne in genocide is still the same Undyne in normal and pacifist run. It's just that Undyne finds herself going against a villain, that doesn't make her character better but just appears to be better by contrasting it with a person she goes against.
Basically Jesus? Must be Papyrus!
nice name...
Or Temmie
@@cyborgstar nah, temmie would be basically god
Hallelujah!
Yea he walks on water
everyone: who is jerry?
Underlab: yes
I think that during the netural runs, sans doesn't attack you even if you kill monsters, because he knows about the reset. But during genocide, he could sense that the human wouldn't reset, and would go on to delete the world. So I guess sans not attacking the player during netural was because he knew that the human would reset.
Yeah he says during the genocide "knowing what comes next i can't afford not to care anymore"