What are British values?
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Scottish value is an 8-pack of Irn Bru for 3 quid.
What a deal though, is that offer still on?
I'll believe it when I taste it
It’s a good question we should ask the radio 4 book review panel see what they think
“Definitely not Limmy’s book anyway”
The question cannot be answered by this Limmy person, he only seems to possess one certain kind of intelligence
The fact that downtown abbey's up there shows you what kind of "British values" they're trying to project
I haven't seen the series but I did see the film. It ends on the grand message that Downton Abbey should live on because it stands as a beacon of hope for the surrounding working class villages. Knocked me sick
@@saucybiscuits1150 I mean... thats not far from the truth even now. The poor celebrate the rich and famous as beacons of hope despite how that effects them financially and mentally.
They also mentioned "The bodyguard" which is actually the American movie portraying Whitney Houston instead of "Bodyguard" which is the bbc's.
@@saucybiscuits1150 Why? There is no earthly utopia, inequality is the natural and enduring constant in human society. Is it not right that the impoverished should at least be able to witness the opulence of others, who themselves ought to be influenced by that patrician instinct to better the lives of the deserving poor?
Only the politics of envy could possibly turn that into a negative.
@@abrahamblankfein5042 There is no reason for there to be an inpoverished class of people, none. It's not a necessity for certain jobs to get done, it's not a necessity to power our cities, nor defend them. It's not even a necessity for there to be millionaires or even billionaires. There is not excuse for poverty, particularly within the borders of developed countries. Do you understand how much surplus food is DESTROYED every week in the UK alone? I used to work with a company that redistributed surplus food to those in need from the few supermarkets that permitted it. The numbers were staggering. Bear in mind that the supermarkets also benefit from this arrangement through PR and tax cuts, and even then they only allow this for a percentage of the viable produce that would otherwise be destroyed.
No short percentage of the megarich oppose helping the poor, or even middle class solely because the class contrast makes them feel more important. It's a sickness that has infested humanity for as long as wealth has existed. The concept of the "lawn" at the front of a house was originally simply wasted land. The intent was to show off. Look at this fertile land that I have built no home or establishment on, look at this land that has no crops, this land that is making me no money. Look how much of it I have. I have so much money, that I can afford a space of nothingness that holds a lot of value, yet produces none.
Financial equality isn't even a goal. I don't agree that if it was achieved that people would stop working, or not work certain jobs, or stop innovating. I don't subscribe to the notion that this would happen, but regardless that is so far outside of our current experience to even be worth discussion right now. Instead, what is important is the degree of inequality. There is more than enough wealth food and resources in the world, and especially in these developed countries to house everyone, feed everyone, power everyone, and provide healthcare for everyone. I don't have an issue with the existence of the wealthy, I have a problem with the existence of poverty, especially mandated and emboldened systematic poverty. The problem is class mentality, and the degree of economic division. Not the mere existence of it.
Not tipping a delivery driver if there is a delivery charge is a proud Scottish value
uber eats charging you a service charge and a delivery charge...and then wanting a tip on top eh that?! away and chase yersel
Personally I subscribe to the values of the Carphone Warehouse
The rumination of British values has let himself go
Don't make me ang lee you won't like me when I'm ang lee
This reminds me of that sketch when Stewart Lee is talking about "the values of the Carphone Warehouse".
The best Scottish value I can discern so far is refusing to tolerate anybody’s passive-aggressive hostility. And I admire it a lot.
its fuckin sexy! he's on to my shit talk!
wow, i like scots even more now, hah
There's a saying here in Glasgow for just that. If someone is being passive aggressive, or "at it", as we would say, then the response is usually,
"Och, turn it up, ya cunt."
"Turn it up," being broadly equivalent to, "give it a rest."
So it sorts of means behave, stop being ridiculous, be real. It's one of my favourite sayings.
Whatever you say pal
@@mmnmmn-hq4jw
Yeah, he can go ahead and think whatever he wants. That’s fine, so what if it’s breaking his parents hearts?
Downtown Abbey reflects the values of tories. They love class hierarchies.
@@GavinLawrence747 Just because the class system and economic disparity has existed in the past in different countries doesn’t mean it should be accepted. So has rape.
@@docstranger9520 "Economic disparity" shouldn't be accepted?
that bothered me about the show where most characters accept their place in the hierarchy and disapprove of those that challenge that but is that not a lot like reality? i think the values that try to show is that rich fucks can do good for those that work for them and their communities (obviously a fantasy). i love the show.
@AwfulLawful_ Don't be childish. I didn't so much as hint at "the word"
Although, if you genuinely believe any kind of economic disparity should not exist, I suppose the boot would fit.
I don't believe that's what the person I was replying to meant, however. I doubt it's even what you meant, either.
No disparity at all would necessarily mean the abolition of all financial wealth, which I'm sure is not what you were driving at.
@AwfulLawful_ Resource-based economy?
Limmys show should be included in the list of essential shows with british values
it's probably more an excuse to say our culture is NOT about this, or that. "We don't know what our values are, but it's NOT that".
They've mixed up 'Bodyguard' with 'The Bodyguard', one was that Richard Madden BBC drama the other year, the other was that movie with Whitney Houston.
No - the UK government was specifically referring to the values encapsulated in that movie with Witney Houston.
It's all about flag humping with no substance or actual patriotism (I.e. something with actual substance, trying to improve the lives and living standards of fellow countrymen). Instead just buy a bigger flag and pretend that everything we have ever done or ever will do is great.
Sounds exactly like patriotism tbh!
The "British values" they means is south east England values. They want a stereotypical gentry type of values not scots values. It's just another way of drumming up nationalism without being specific as to what they are preserving.
Have you ever been to the south east of England?
@@YeahhBruv what are you trying say I’ll shonk you
What were south east values?
Planet Earth... I mean come on, how can you define the Earth as British values hahahaha
it's as if they think the Empire was bigger than it actually was.
@@renaigh hang on. That’s something they value! The British empire, they still sing about it today! Great wee British value, that
Planet earth was a TV show btw
They're referring to the TV show, and with it, I assume, the value of environmentalism and impartial, scientific discovery. Surely you cannae be this daft?
@Sally Rees Aye it’s British people analysing and devising solutions to climate change but? No one can mistake Attenborough’s monopoly over that kinna shite - like saying Germans cannae be expert car manufacturers because cars don’t have nationalities lmao
Game of Thrones and Peaky Blinders don't represent British values, eh.
When they say British values does that include the other countries in Britain (Scotland and Wales) or just England?
When people say 'British' they always seem to just refer to English for whatever reason, as if the other countries aren't in Britain.
Its mainly because the bulk of the population is in England and historically the capital and its surrounding resembled British culture.
Doesn't help that Scotland tries its best to differentiate itself from the rest of Britain. Such as Limmy would probably never call himself British over Scottish when discussing his identity. While an English person it could be split, they might very well call themselves British over English.
Hit the nail on the head.
The irony of the descendants of anglo saxons dictating what British culture and values should be
of course because Scotland in the package is what makes Great Britain, loose Scotland you not great and gracious anymore, just Britain, waiting to be invaded again, sigh
@@katiePetsy Leave the Scots out of this
My favourite official government British value is 'rule of law.' No one else does that haha. Laws are just classic Britain.
Rule of law doesn't just mean laws. It's a specific political philosophy that (to simplify), the law applies universally and equally. And Britain didn't exactly invent it, but did sort of introduce it to Europe with the Magna Carta. So I actually think it's semi-reasonable to claim that rule of law is a British value.
Also you're being a bit unfair anyway because they aren't claiming it's an *exclusively* British value.
@@jackc913 There's no academic reason to package this stuff under 'British values.' Innovations have been made to these 'values' in many parts of the world both before and after our own, so it's not a historical approach. Incidentally the Magna Carta was written before Great Britain existed. If it's meant to be a moral education, there's no reason to mention our nation, your nation does not need to affect the way you act as an individual.
By process of elimination the only reason to teach that these are 'British values' is to indoctrinate children with a national spirit. It's to make peoples subconsciously assume that Britain is and has always been the centre of the world. A fraction of the population will eventually learn through higher education that this is total BS, and that calling 'rule of law' a British value, is as good as saying 'breathing' is. A larger portion will largely never have this bias corrected because they simply stop learning about history, geography, science and watch Love Island for the rest of their days instead.
I suppose the Brits did invent the world's first police force. As far as I remember, within about 10 years of the Peterloo massacre. It was in response to factory owners fearing for their private property (looms) getting wrecked by the angry poor, who were living working and dying in poor conditions. Sending the military in to gun cunts down was likely gonna lead to escalated riots. So they made the police, to control crowds of poor people and to protect private property. When police constables first walked the streets of London, they'd get attacked by ordinary people, even kids would try trip them up. They were unpopular and mistrusted. True story.
@@tehrealfake As I just pointed out, in a very real sense rule of law is a British innovation. So to dismiss it as a bias 'never corrected' because people 'only watch Love Island' is incredibly obnoxious (and stupid).
@@jackc913 Well as I've just pointed out, the Magna Carta was created before Britain even existed. So you're actually a prime case in point about how this daft labelling encourages historical ignorance for the sake of nationalist pride.
burn the union jack
That bit at the end is spot on. That's exactly what this is.
Reflects Tory fuckin values me thinks
Aye
Tory values like pretending to be conservative and chucking money at useless arse lickers?
Tory donor's values. As if they have any of their own.
Planet Earth is distinctively British somehow.....
Quintessential Tory values such as corruption and incompetence. Is that what they mean?
Tbf you could say that about any politcal party.
I don't think they are that incompetent at shafting me, that is labour. And labour is incompetent at being corrupt, too.
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Vote now!
@@jamiemitchell4042 The Tories more than most, though.
Shows that show the Scottish values: Balamory.
I’ll update when I find more Scottish TV shows or when they’ve been made.
What about padraig post?
Still Game?
Dream scheme had the best portrayal of Scottish values in my opinion
Thought you Scottish were all about patter
What about that scheme show set in kilmarnock? The mother of the guy jailed in an episode "they said he called him a bin laden bastard 😭" has never left my brain 😂😂
Limmy is a huge international hit but he also reflects Scottish values
beloved cultural diplomat Jeremy Clarkson
countries that go on about "values" are always the ones with a history of not valuing their people, as if it's a way of apologising without apologising.
No country has a history of valuing their people... Some however did a better job at granting their citizens good living conditions and the ability to achieve greatness. EG: Britain.
@@learningagain4094 heard of George Orwell? He wrote a lot of books, one of them being "The Road To Wigan Pier" which was about life in England and he would very much disagree with your sentiments.
Love the part where he says to himself "Right, so I'm Scottish" to try and roleplay the part of a Scottish man, as that would allow him to better understand Scottish values.
I fucking love this man
The 5 British values are
-Democracy
-Rule of law
-Individual liberty
-Mutual respect
-Tolerance
Do you live in Britain mate? Cos thats a load of bollocks
@@SirJazzMonk yes
Explain how? And the point I’m making is Limmy is missing the point about what they mean with British values
@@flaigus Those aren't British values they are human values. And if you see what is happening in Britain at t the moment a large percentage of the population and the government itself have no respect whatsoever for tolerance, the rule of law or individual liberty. Not to mention mutual respect or democracy.
These people sneer down their noses at the 'great unwashed' and have zero tolerance for anything that doesn't suit their little England fantasy. Individual liberty for them is cynically enriching themselves through abuse of power and corruption and any mutual respect is between people of their perceived class and demographic.
Voter ID cards have just been brought in to disproportionately prevent young people from voting to 'solve' a problem that doesn't exist. Investigations into malignant foreign powers and their influence on elections and politicians have been hushed up. Election fraud itself has been proven and swept under the carpet by a corrupt client media that serves the interests of a few oligarchs. People think this is respect for democracy?
@@eddyd63 that’s a lovely piece but none of those copy and pasted paragraphs contradict the defined British values
@@flaigus Haha copy and paste paragraphs, you keep telling yourself that while you retreat to your safe space.
Also keep telling yourself that these so called British values are anything other than the most generic of vague platitudes so you can wave that flag a bit harder.
The Stockholm Syndrome couldn't be any severe with you could it.
A man's a man for a' that.... Burnsy's egalitarian vision gets my vote for an awesome and very Scottish value :)
What's a Tory's idea of British values? Personally, I'd hope British values include not starving kids for the sake of a couple of quid would be British values, I'd hope not being racist, homophobic and transphobic would be British values... But the prime minister of the country seems not to see it that way.
It's so fashionable to be racist, nationalistic, tribalistic and homophobic. It's also incredibly fashionable to pretend it isn't fashionable and that the person who holds those views is some sort of rare "breath of fresh air" who "tells it like it is."
Plenty of people agree with his ‘values’, no wonder the entire world dislikes Britain (England) they want us (Scotland) and Wales dragged down with them.
We used to be big, only our ego remains.
Beat China in the Olympics in 2016 that's pretty fucking big.
@@Genevasplaytime thee McDonald's sponsored Olympics?
Fish n chips, cups of tea, Ginsters pies, queueing in Aldi, Chubby Brown.
fuccing spot on
Reminds me of that famous "British value" of "fair play" I always hear about.
Perfidious Albion baby! Or in today's parlance, looking after the national interest.
@@EnclosedPoolArea The British built all those countries, so…
@@abrahamblankfein5042 I pretty sure white British people didn't build their railroads, they made the locals do it. It's like when the boss takes credit for the work you did by telling you what to do.
@@dropit7694 Plus the railroads were primarily built to get profits out of brown hands in places like India, and into white pockets, more efficiently. The colonial PR of 'well at least we got the railways out of it' still persists today in the UK and for many in India. Literally that network was used to strip away profits and resources more effectively.
I think "fair play" is British for colonialism, no?
Nigel Farage: *What's Yer Hing?*
Reminds me of when Canada had to have "distinctive Canadian programming" which led to the SCTV characters Bob and Doug McKenzie, which took the piss out of being overt and overly annoying "Canadian", and the board didn't even realize and approved it lol.
Wise words limmy
British Values are whatever Politicians think we should be showing the rest of the world, whilst never adhering to it in reality.
I'm British but my values are mine. Not the country's. Anyone can define it.
From my experience, Scottish values are based around being friendly to outsiders, but complete cnuts to each other :D
A lot of British shows outwardly pretend to opposed to the really boring strawman of "shoot first, ask questions later"
but it's completely hollow
Allosauroidea is a superfamily, containing the family Allosauridae
Though these Linnaean ranks aren’t much in use, that would be the correct terminology, apologies if that was rude, I saw my special interest and adhd brain took over
@@Paraves426 Nah I'm delighted bro, I chose this name when I was a kid. Thought it sounded cool lol
They had Derry girls down as British values..........
Greggs
Shades of kilogram of steel or kilogram of feathers at the end there, proper perplexed man
Cant tell if hes still using the 'old filter', like just a little bit?
Firmness , punctualithy, showing numbness to pain (example having taken a bullet up arm yet describing it calmly as "terribly painful" but without showing any kind of dicomfort) i don't know a term for this but thats that, the tea ceremony typicaly british habit, also integrity etc and the government page could add up Monty Python''s show as a british valeues promoting thing. Anyway thats my cents. I am Greek. But that is how i perceive the possible "British values" meaning.
Ahh I often wondered if Dr Who had a christian name, cheers Limmy
I see values as a list of generic virtues and ideals that people like to think about themselves. But there is always this side to it where they’re actually saying what “them lot” aren’t.
Edit: Yeah he said it at the end
I think it's a desperate attempt to gain cultural real-estate after seeing all the memes about "Iconic Britishness" from shows like Come Dine with Me, Bake Off, and The Inbetweeners, etc. The scary thing is - who decided what's inherently a British value and what's not? Sounds like deliberately vague stipulation of media and press imo.
British values seem to be previously popular TV shows.
Doesn't get more British than Dr Who.
Just to clarify, the DfE lists 4 core British values: democracy
, the rule of law, individual liberty, and mutual respect for and tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefs, as well as those without faith. Pretty standard stuff, and I for one am mortified they neglected to add "don't put the milk in before the teabag".
Getting drunk
No Surrender
British values include calling Tories "scum".
Well if you want to know what British values are, you're in luck! All you have to do is watch Top Gear or Downton Abbey and then all your questions will have been answered.
Don’t forget the show “planet earth” listed there, because brits think they own it lol
Limmy the Libertarian.
Shared values. Top Gear was about driving around in fast cars like an idiot and making fun of everybody including your own people. It's the only one that deserves to be on that list
British Values as a thing just sounds a bit nationalist, definitely unhealthy.
I moved to New Zealand from the UK three years ago. People here have different values to back home. Not a lot, but definitely different
What are some standout examples?
@@morwennaforatenner604 I'd guess they value the worth of their fellow man based on the kiwis I've met
@@katiePetsy Pretty different to British values in that case
All human 'Values', like morality itself, MUST rest upon those actions that maximise our long term sustainable existence, for without life they become inconsequential.
Echo chamber monkey training. One nod, two nods, three nods, four.....take yer medicine, show yer papers, take one freedom, give one more.
The irony is that you have to be a Scot, living outside of Scotland to see true Scottish values.
Why is trainspotting no on the list?
We're better off on the smack
Probably because it mildly critiques British society
scottish values:
You must be onit
you apologise after you bottle someone
I thought having bushy eyebrows was a Scottish value.
Perhaps you're right about that dogwhistling. But that's what other countries do with a foghorn, not a dogwhistle.
Scottish value: never slag off Billy connolly
Class system
Scottish value is having a "Good Fucking Time"
Buckfast. Ironic that its an English beverage.
Poundland
"Scottish Values" = Cheap cider
Britain is a bit of a weird place culturally. It takes a lot more from US culture than it does from Europe. I suppose sharing a language is a big factor. That brings its own problems, such as people calling a TV series a season etc. Culture should be protected, but not using vague undetermined terms like British values.
Things move towards the internet culture where something's origin is less important, I'm sure that will be an all encompassing influence by the next generation.
@Gabriel Victor homogenisation, gentrification, eradication. Take Scottish country dancing as an example, that gets taught in schools and happens at weddings burns nights etc. Stop teaching that, it will eventually fade away and get lost to the ages.
British values at this moment in time is to cover up all their past atrocities to avoid the kingdom from falling apart. 😂
British values in this case means southern english class division.
Do you mean class division in the south of England? People working washing pots in hotels in London for knack all, sleeping 8 in a room at night? So rich tourists can have a climate controlled London retreat all weathers? Yeah !
The idea of a geographical group having something in common is rubbish. If you're into stuff like 70s kids TV then you could just as easily find a soul mate 5000 miles away as 50 yards away.
Some countries don't even all have the same timezone so the effort to keep them thinking 'as a nation' is daily, hourly 'national news' and all that jazz. So much effort, constantly reinforcing the idea, cause otherwise you'd just go wait a minute why are we doing this?
travel, and you will realise. values, cuisine, culture, social interactions, entertainment, routines amd stereotypes. Its a big package, but to summarize it into one piece of paper and give it stamp "our values" is a sad shallow approach
Hoho, we're in at the ground floor of Britain's nationalist arc.
It's a shite arc
Let’s be honest they mean 19th century Victorian era “British values” 🤷♂️
I also enjoyed the implied British imperialist/colonialist mentality of "Planet Earth" reflecting "British values".
That's so batshit!
It'd be correct in some sense to say that "they reflect British culture".
The Bodyguard was pretty good. Keeley Hawes was great in it.
Whitney Houston was great in it.
@@vosvenieks4EVER Was she down to earth and very funny?
It might not seem this way to some, but I view this as legislation designed to institutionalise British soft power. In the same way US TV/Film affects our culture, Britain aims to (continue to) export its own ideologies and cultural values to countries abroad.
Take The Office as an example. Following its success, it was remade in numerous countries globally. The significance? The exportation of capitalist systems, and Western culture.
This is nothing new of course. Interesting to see it in actual law though!
How it could it seem otherwise? Of course that's what it's intended to do. That and to assure ideological conformity.
Honestly, though, Britain nowadays is more or less in cultural lockstep with America in most things, so it seems rather pointless - it'd be basically just exporting Silicon Valley with a British accent. Would you prefer your non-binary weirdosexual representation to come with a Californian accent or a Cornish accent? What difference does it make?
I agree but it's strangely worded. There is nothing innately British about Doctor Who, Top Gear or Planet Earth, they just happened to be made here. Would they have passed such a screening process if they were conceived today?
@@kiteracer95 somehow they’ve listed the show “Derry girls” on there but I guess the Brit Gov love to hold onto any scraps of occupation and other’s culture lol.
Patriotism
They have to teach British values at school and they are as follows:
Democracy,
Rule of law,
Tolerance,
Individual liberty.
Not really "british" as any country could say them but its a load of shite anyway
@@SomeBraveApollo yeah you're right but i thought it was a bit of a mouthful and a bit of a given so I couldn't be bothered to write it out, cheers for the addition though
Not so long ago a woman in Britain faced 10 years for calling her neighbour a 'fat f-g' during an argument when he was on her front drive.
Few years back, a woman was banned from leaving Britain for tweeting that there are only two genders.
"Tolerance" and "individual liberty" is not something modern Britain can lay claim to.
@@vladivanov5500 Oh no we have individual liberty. But we also have consequences.
@@vladivanov5500 I can't find any sources for either of those things so I'm calling bullshit
@@barryhomeowner9293 Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull for the first story. Detained for 'transphobic' tweets.
Second story I think I may have mixed up with a similar story around the same time I'll have to look into. The one that called a neighbour a 'fat f-g' was slapped with a fine.
There was another in which someone faced up to 10 years for 'homophobic comments', but I'd have to do some digging for that one.
But you know, whether you believe it not, the first reply I got only affirms the fact that this kind of thing is commonly accepted in British law nowadays.
We have plenty of values. The thing is that they're mostly not values that only we have. Doesn't mean we don't have any values though. It's like saying 'what is British Food?'. Bread is British food. I eat bread every day. The thing is every other country in Europe does too. Guess it depends on how you define these things really.
I like Limmy, he represents Scottish values.
Cynicism?
It's easier to define values when you have a culture, and unfortunately these isles have fuck all.
lol top gear, they canceled them for not fitting in with 'their values'.
£6.50
Roadhouse
British Values - Whore house
They just picked shows that are popular in other English-speaking countries.
1:56 Heroin and stabbing people?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA 😐
Surely your values are Twitch values, that's your community and society, not Scotland.
I've been studying counselling recently, and there is this real over-the-top section on ethics, including British Values. Not wishing to bore you with the details, my overall sense is this has come to be to counter radicalisation, leading to terrorism.
Seriously? In the training for _counselling_?
@@dontnoable Hand in hand with Prevent awareness.
@@secretsymphony jfc shit's grim
@@secretsymphony I can't fucking believe that's on a counselling course. Wtaf
About the only one that really sticks out from going abroad is being stick up the arses for rules, and moaning & criticising a lot, and sarcasm, especially deemphasis for emphasis, like "its a tad hairy" when under artillery bombardment for example. Not sure if a value or just a description.
They actually just mean British flags and English accents and Anglicanism. Antiques roadshow government mandate. We will all have to sit down and watch it in the afternoon by law, hosted by a digitised dale winton, mark my words. Even our eventual decline into autocratic techslavery will be shite.
You land in a foreign land with primitive tribal civilisations, so you proceed to try and interpret local languages and document and catalog every new animal or plant in that continent. (Including life cycles, breeding, farming etc).
it USED TO mean attention to detail.
Tory values
Scotland are forever in England’s shadow
England's ego makes it look like it's got a collective tiny penis. No one cares about England.
@@5GCHEMTRAILVACCINESFORBATS London, mainly. It forgets the rest of England exists.
@@carbon1255 imagine reality catches up with the south of England, Scotland leaves the U.K and using geographic common sense Scotland seeks economic trade with the North of England before that shithole in London. The power dynamic would shift within a generation and the egocentric arseholes in the south would be begging for pals in the North seeing as everyone else in Europe classes them as complete cunts the same as the rest of us. Watch that arrogance be wiped off their stinking faces
An important Scottish value is our early and wide spread embracement of the enlightment movement. Scotland has produced numerous great scientists and philosophers as a consequence of this. Unfortunately our politicians have failed to protect this value through imposing the recent 'hate speech' laws, which stifle the ability to debate and analyse our actions. This drives us into a world of stupidity and ignorance.
Capitalism- Scottish idea.
Colonialism?
Britain aren't the only former colonisers
@@cupboardofcheese1529 no but they really set the standard huh?
@@nednedned89 Thankfully the PRC have replaced us in that department