Shopping for (NEW) DJ SUBWOOFERs | EV, QSC, DAS, RCF, JBL, CERWIN VEGA DEMO (Speaker Review)
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To be fair.... The Vegas are a folded horn design, not a front loaded box. They are not meant to be heard from 20' away as they are meant to be a mid throw box. Put those speakers outside and listen to them from 50 - 75 feet away and i'm sure you'll have a different take. Also, there main intention was to be used in a 3 or 4 way system, for larger dances and festivals of upwards of 2000 people. They were NEVER designed to take into a small hall and used as a single sub for 100 - 200 people.
right they are a long throw design
I use them every weekend in small halls and they POUND. That’s what I use for my main rig.
@@DJILLEE might be a little big for a small hall, but yeah they pound when set up correctly
I used some around 10 years back at an outdoor gig of around 15k people as mid field delays
I do remember they were really heavy compared to the duel 18 short throws we normally used but because of the throw pattern and the layout we used no one complain they could hear it and it was deep and punchy throughout the whole venue
After doing club installs for a while, cerwains can sound good but no where close to a modern front loaded design if they are tuned to the same level. My absolute favorites are Martin audio black line 218s or funktion one 32"s as they both just give bone shattering low end.
I'm just here for the comments..... I'm always in amazement at how many people have not a clue about subs and sound reproduction.
Just watch the video, and you'll see someone who doesnt have a clue about subs and sound reproduction...
Your dumb bro
Lol, me too
I honestly like the das sub the best
Unfortunately it's extremely difficult to shootout subwoofers. Placement in the room (such as the d.a.s. so far off the floor) plays a MAJOR roll in how they sound. The rcf sitting in the corner is going to sound like a lot more volume since it couples in the corner. It adds 6db of volume but can also sound less defined there. The folded horn design (which is what I use) is great when you put a high pass and a low pass filter on them. 106dbs at 1 watt... theyre extremely efficient and DO sound great if you know how to use them.
Great points.
Yes the placement of subwoofers does affect the sound a lot. I do multiple tests with my sub in certain rooms
I was thinking the same thing.
I just randomly stumbled across this video (gotta love youtube) and am wondering if he knows anything about how sound works? lol
The reviewer has no clue what he is doing.
was thinking the same thing. i have those dual 12 jbls. and they kick and will def have more spl than any single 18
I had a 18inch cerwin-vega....I had a neighbor come knocking on my door complaining that he lives a block away and his house was rattling...should have seen the look on my face..I was like really!?....I was happy as hell to hear that from him..LOL
I have 2 of those double 18s and a pair of 835s and all i can say, they sound dam nice! Good choice!
Just heard RCF 18 and was blown away how deep and could feel it in my chest blew my EV and JBL out the water. I'm sold on RCF
Who is best
Rcf or jbl
?????
RCF
U ever heard rcf vs das subs in person? If so what's your take
RCF is the best, lightweight, but pricey. I own a pair of Rcf 945, 735 and a sub 705 as2. Subs are a most but hard to move them around and im most of the time alone on my gigs. I was thinking to get a pair of RCF 905 As ii but I haven’t decided yet.
Sonideros are on another level. I'm amazed how much equipment they use. They setup the gear for hundreds of people . Those cerwin vegas are nice
I've watched this video multiple times--thanks so much for the info and all the solid content you put out there.
Just bought one to go in between my 4 PRX 18lfw! Big gig coming up can’t wait to see what it will do!! Thanks for the review bro!
I always chuckle when I see these videos and comments. As an degreed engineer and 20+ year turntablist, I have a great suggestion for those searching for a PA system. Decide what type of events you will do, determine what music you will play to understand what your sub high pass will be (i.e. EDM will need 25hz capable), and save to purchase top of the line so that you make one good investment. Do your homework. Danley Sound Labs and JTR Speakers should be at the top of your list. Good luck.
The dual SRX is the best you can get in its price range. It's not as "punchy" as the KW181, but that can easily be fixed with eq; a little bump in the 100-200Hz range. Those SRXs are designed to have a flat frequency response which is why they aren't as boomy or punchy as others. By default, its more smooth and deep. I spent over a year trying different subs before I got them.
Great video barr! Always the best from you brutha
The vegas harsh sound is coming from the 50-80hz. And those jbls can hit with the right amplifier!
I've been doing more EDM fest and EDM in general and they all want and like the SRX's Dual 18's. Good choice Bar!
I love that Cerwin Vega sub that was really good
Something else that wasn't discussed on the video is that you need to consider your application for subs. For most of the weddings I do I just use 2 12" subs. (EVolve 50s) The sound hits hard on the dance floor and then dies 30' away. This allows guests to be able to speak to each other, and reduces any sound bleeding into other rooms of the hall. (The Cerwin Vegas probably didn't start sounding good until 30' as they are meant for large venues. ) If you are using 15" speakers for your mains you probably don't even need a sub for most events. But on those larger gigs, you gotta love having those 18" pounding out the bass.
Agree'd hence why i am downgrading my mids to 2 x 10 inchers with horns and a 12 inch subwoofer instead of 2 x 15's(80 pounds each) and 2 x 18's or even dual 18's sometimes too much carry work and way to much overkill for events of 150 people or less.
@@erikbritz8095 what brand of 10 and 12 are you using?
@@juliorafael3391 haven't built the system yet still saving up i want to buy two powered 10 inch mids 250-500watts RMS each and a single 12 of atleast 500watts i guess if i get the cash going i will buy a Ev 12 heard they kick ass but i can buy a budget 12 inch sub before that the thing is PA Subs are just mids without a Horn driver cause they usually don't dip far belowe 40hz heck some of them don't go down to 40hz so upgrading your mids first is much smarter then going for a sub right away my man DJ Rick Web made a good video on this subject
Great choice Barr, I have two of those dual subs and plan on getting two more late next year. Great investment
Good video Barr... it’s a good sub for any occasion big or small.
The Cerwin Vega sounded heavy and echoey because of its port design. Since it’s so big, the air moved by the sub bounces back n forth on walls of the port hence the echo
Good choice I have 4 SRX828SP, I use them with VRX 932LAP, It's super loud and clear.
Have you measured power draw on srx828sp at full output? Very curious
DJ Rick Web 510watts
DJ Rick Web or 5.1 amps
Yes the rcf 8003 wins the day..I’m glad I have two of them with two rcf nx32a and 2x 715amk4s and 2x 712amk4s and 1x alto ts15 sub
I’m more than good to go my pioneer ddj sx3 and ddj sx2 and my MacBook Air and MacBook Pro..plus other bits and bobs
Youre right about the cerwin vega, i own one myself, however the kick (thump) you can hear and feel it far away... purpose of the folded horn, if you can control it right, it sounds awesome
Folded horns need tuning. We use 6 of them or more together and theyre incredible. Hits deep, long throw, and theyre more efficient than any other design. Requires a low and high pass filter.
Here's six of them in use at one of our gigs. They sound great. czcams.com/video/mq3w9Hk8Kek/video.html
I have a pair of Cerwin Vegas I bought early 2000's .. they have the flying kit. T-36/750. these threw a lot of bass
Very good choice Dj Barr .The JBL Vs Rcf two top brands JBL Srx 828sp hits 141db And Rcf 8005 Hits 137 . JBL dual 18 believe it or not Is 1 pound lighter then the Rcf 21 inch . JBL price is about $2000 Rcf about $3500. The Rcf might go alittle bit lower just a bit In the Low Frequency Output. But the JBL is $1500 Cheaper and sounds amazing Also .that's why I believe the JBL Srx 828sp is the best bargain for the money and the one to beat :) cheers and very good Video and Very good Choice you did in the Sub you picked.
Hey dj barr cerwin vega is a monster they rock
What a wonderful shop right there i want all that speakers haha
Yorkville my brother thats the way to go. they didn't show you those, Check out the Yorkville . Cerwin Vega is the truth!!!
Asta que compraste algo bueno 😝 nice bass now one more doble and your good for bigger rooms saludos
SRX line is awesome and probably the best, but subs are huge and heavy
Im considering the RCF 15s or 18s, they have great reviews and they fit in my car and are half the weight and cost
Love your videos 😝😝😝
I was at a club in Miami and they had a D.A.S system and it was awesome... and you didn't even look at any Mackie's
Great demo 🎶🎶🎶👍👍👍
Dj Barr great video and good choice I’m in the Virgin Islands st croix I wish I knew you was coming down I could have give a play out
Nice video again!!
Bro I came across your video… I literally stayed in the same condos 👊🏽👊🏽
Rcf for pounding bass also had you bought two of those you wouldve had more headroom ,Jbl's sound the best i wouldve gone with them too great choice, Das needed to be placed on the floor just to really hear how they could sound and cerwin vega's are not meant to be played indoors but i could tell you didn't really feel them ahead of time.
Fly? Do you mean hang or suspended from the ceiling?
Why did they say the Cerwin was deep - the JBL and RCF were but the Cerwin vega was more punchy and kick bin - and tended to honk a bit if the crossover let any vocals through. The horns aren't very long on them compared to a Danley or JTR box so they don't go that low unless in a confined space without a low cut.
I got a passive jbl stx 828 dual 18 and love it. Rocked every school I did last month no problem!
What amp you using?
@@DJRickWeb Still an older PV 2000. An old amp but works great. Sure it has its downsides like weight and it draws like 1500w from the wall. Doesn't compare feature wise to a crown or qsc amp of similar wattage.
Whats subs are found in the stx 828?
@@badabing289 not sure tbh, they are stock so check out jbls site
Set up 1 woofer at 80 hertz the other at 120 hertz now you boom and the punch at same time. 1 2 combo
I have a pair of those subs rcfs 8003 as ii and let me tell you it’s the best subs I have ever owned! And I have tried all the brands! These subs will give you the type of bass that you hear and feel at all distances!
What top you use with those subs.
Ray Rosario I’m currently using the rcf Art 735-A MK4 and it’s a perfect match!
That’s one nice setup. A little to deep for my pockets. So I rock with QSC, but RCF rocks above all.
DJ GUERO You should try a Bassboss sub bro
Ayee Yee I’m going to finally hear them at namm so let’s see if they make me a believer lol until then, team rcf all the way lol
Picking a manufacturer for subs are easy. Martin Audio are known for making the best. So good they sell their designs and drivers to other manufacturers
that's so cool
Hey guys, I have 2 KW 181’s. I want to add more subs. Would one more 181 make a difference? How does the SRX dual 18’s compare to the 181’s coupled? Is it that much of a difference? My tops are QSC k10’s, kw 12’s or kw 153’s.
Thanks guys!
Hola Barr!! Hace tiempo que te sigo y acabo de leer que eres de Nicaragua! Que sorpresa, mi madre también es Nica, he estado un par de veces, es un país increible!
Te felicito por tus videos! Un saludo desde España
Saludos paisano Nicaragüense! El Dj se mantiene súper ocupado.
And they did leave out a lot of other Cerwin Vega 18” subs to review there in the shop.
You can't demo gear in different locations in room. RCF was in corner next to wall. JBL was middle of room speakers stacked on top. It was in a nice cube formation. You need a more control space to do proper demo. Maybe a club setting.
waldensaudio that room is bad for a proper comparison
EV VS JBL!! I’ll be waiting for the vid!
The EV will win by a long shot!
He needs to have Yorkville the real deal on subs
Sigh... DJ Barr... I hope you please take what Im about to say with a grain... You're a talented DJ, and put on some amazing weddings... You stick to what you know, and theres nothing wrong with that. But your knowledge of speakers is laughable.
I really doubt you could tell me the difference between a folded horn, and a front load subwoofer... Which would be why you thought that FH Cerwin-Vega sounded bad in that room. A pair of those, outside for a big event, would put those JBL's to shame. The RCF's more than likely sounded best, because they're in a corner, and the JBL's were the loudest because there are 2, rather than 1, like the rest of them (another unfair comparison). That Cerwin-Vega CVE18 on the other wall would be a better comparison with the other subs, than the Earthquake would have been (The CVE will get lower than anything you compared as well).
I was thinking the same thing, and the more I scroll in the comments, the more I see that others think the same thing. (CZcams randomly recommended this video, so I don't know anything outside of this video about him, but it just seems he knows little to nothing about the designs of these cabs which is what I'm commenting about)
Totally agree with you
Man u are so right....I've heard CV lots of times and they are a beast..hook it up the right way ..they are killers...
True indeed about those Vega's outside. I had a set of V35's 3-ways back in the day and the air moving without the woofer was amazing. Benefit of the doubt I know a dude with a pair of those JBL's and matching Tops and they Will Blow Your Drawers Off Violently ;- )
The problem is nearly all (not all) mobile djs and even equipment shop owners knowledge of the physics of audio is extremely limited, they are not audio engineers or designers, I guess that's why the likes of rcf ev etc build complete plug and play rigs ready to go straight out of the box.
you sould put all the subs on the ground to test it properly, problem is, I think shop crews wont take the risk of being sweat for nothing.
I would like to know what was wrong with the PRXs. I have 4 and they are awesome
You should check out the Cerwin Vega CVXL 218, it may give you a different perspective on Cerwin Vega’s product line😁👍👍👍
you made a very good choice, SRX line really respected product, not for the marketing, but start from the components inside the box and till how they sound and usability
i made so many experiments, by following some stupid advices from difrent people, till find the brand and model that satisfy my needs.. be careful at my mind... the best speaker is that one that satisfy your needs, not that one that are fancy, expensive and something else
good luck to you, i keep follow your vlog and Please share so transition techniques
This is crazy I am actually looking to get just one Rcf 8003 as2 or 8004. This video just pushed me closer on make these investment. Thanks.
Ray Rosario Do it bro I go rcf anyday every day clean sound , clean bass you won’t regret your purchase
I recently purchased the 708 sub and I love them. I can only imagine the step up would be even more amazing.
The problem I have is that I am using qsc tops and I don’t know if I wanna mix up my setup.
That rcf sub is a beast. And should be. Heard it before its loud. Be cautious though because it will pull quiet a but of power. Especially if you plan on using 2.
I use 2 RCF tts 18a and 2 RCF HDL 20a on a single 20 amp breaker they pull lest then 10 amps total.
Barr!! Send me some sonideros vlog! lol I wanna see them cuz the rigs are be crazy
God choice bar
what you know about them Cerwin Vegas? :)
You should seriously try the Cerwin-Vega! TS-42 subwoofer. Then you would be impressed!
Yup non self powered but he is looking for a active
But if i was him i would buy that cerwin vega
I need two of the Cerwin Vega
You should review the STX818S now that they went on sale. Be sure to use the right amp though
I have 2 qsc k10.2 speakers and need one or even two subs. Primarily weddings indoors and outdoors. 500 people max. Need a powered sub and not sure what to get. Price doesn’t matter. What should I do.
cerwin vegas always been the best imho since the early 2k's when the earthquakes and dual 15 ways were the shiznito bam snip snap sack. get that monster 21 and break some windows with the vibrations lol.
Vega fell off forever ago
Hey my ev sxa250! 🔊🤗 his hand is resting on them great speaker old ev stuff is the best
Old EV stuff rocks!
i just got an RCF 8004 over a bassboss sp118 for these reasons, form factor, used market is more accessible if i want to add more, RCF is designed by an italian company that has been in buisines for years so the featurs and service in the future will be more reliable than different brands, plus I just went to an excision show that was huge and they used about 15 dual 18 rcfs to push it and it sounded great.
Should I get two JBL prx 818 or one JBL srx dual subwoofer or rcf 8003
heard those D.A.S they were sick but the price is crazy
Hi
How much louder was the SRX828 than the RCF8003ASII?
thanks
You Should Look into the QSC 212 i only Use one an it sounds Great for a 200 people party.
If anyone owns the srx828sps can you tell me the amp power draw (120volt US) on them at full output is ? Very curious
My respect rick..i m from România ,sory for my englis,here we like rcf ,i own top speakers rcf hdm 45A and the sub 9004 ,the quality and the output are fenomenal for the money.
So which one did you buy. You cant test an 18 inch sub inside a shop because it has longer throw you wont hear the actual bass unless you move 30 feet away.
it is fabulous, I have appreciated, compliments but where can I find them? I am in Haiti in Haiti?
For home, not DJ/sound reinforcement, I'm still using a JBL B-380 15" passive sub, which I purchased in 1986. It's powered by a Sony TA-N80ES power amp operating in bridged mode for 560 watts into 8 ohms. The reason I have not upgraded is there is no upgrade, this sub gets the job done, for music and video. It goes down to 24 Hz -6db. I do not know of any commercial music which has any bass content below that arena. My mains go down flat to 35 Hz (JBL L100t3's) so I have set my crossover to 60Hz taking some strain off the L100's. I have a huge dance music collection on iTunes which this sub rocks; and, I like KM Music shuffle dance videos too which this sub makes more enjoyable. The point is: look for this sub on the used market and you will be very happy. Also, current JBL 18" passive subs from the professional cinema line are awesome too. You can get one of those for not much more than $1000 and run it with a Crown stereo amp operating in bridged mode for about a $1.00 per watt.
RCF IS WOW! like the deep bass, but this is expensive :(
The Cerwin Vega folded horns will put all those subwoofers to shame. Cerwin Vega invented loud low bass
@@captainca1445 😭😭😭bro what
I love the gear
Different positions in the room .the one in the corner will sound louder ..the one off the ground will sound weaker
DJ Frankie Fresh from Brooklyn took me to canal sound & light Great Store.
We picked up powerful equipment.
DJ pistolero was with us. we were jamming in the Borinquen Plaza Projects YMCA.
Tego Calderon was Perfoming live with Don Omar it was 🔥🔥🔥
Bro our church is like a big arena with 30-40 thousand people capacity and we r planing for line array system .....bro what would you suggest to go for
Its hard to hear the base on this video but i will take your word for it as long as they hit as hard as a NACATAMAL !
dj Barr bassboss all the way man.....the bassboss ssp 218 sub rocks
Did you consider 2 srx818p instead of the one srx828p?
That was not “house music”
for a not so cheap speaker with lights in it plus heavy bass try the sony shake x70D or the LG CK99
If they never knew the brand's the results would be completely different...pull the badges off then try!!!
great video. im currently trying to choose between qsc kw181, ev ekx18sp, or jbl prx818xlf. what you think
QSC KS118 (CARDIOID FORMATION)..
Thank me later on
As soon as you take the sub off the ground you loose 3db. Its very hard to compare one on the floor verses one off the floor.
unless you have arrayed subs (flown) there tune differently
Hey Mr. Barr, where do you plan to place the sub, you know with only one sub you lose symmetry. Behind the facade maybe? Where?
Barr you bought sick subs JBL all day
Rcf👍👍👍🤤🤤🤤
Hey bro , which one is better single or dual Subwoofer considering Sound effects
I think once you EQ the Rcf is going to sound way better they all running flat
You vacation where I’m from. 😂
You should of went with 2 separate subs! You'll would of got more use out of them. That mini stage is going to collect dust! But good video review.
RCF the winner!!!
Hey Barr, thoughts on the new qsc ks118?
oooooh my God wat amazing speakers really i like how much are they i like to have some
Did you listen to the EV ETX?
Another video on "what" speaker to use vs "how" the speaker is used.
The speaker being used matters FAR less than HOW it is used.
Junk used properly will outperform good stuff used with the set it and forget mentality.
The phrases that stick out to me:
"I don't use subs that often"
This is a phrase used by folks who do not understand sound. You are confusing quantity (volume) with quality. Bass is your foundation to the listening experience. The bass does not need to be chest pounding. When you look at house, no one says "look at the foundation". Its the cool siding, brick, layout etc. Inexperienced people say "you don't need subs" because they don't understand how sound works.
Hence the next phrase (The first two go hand in hand)
"We run everything flat"
Running zero EQ does not mean "running flat". Made me laugh out loud! That just means you have no EQ and you are using the "set it and forget it" mentality. Unless you have the proper microphone and proper software/hardware, you cannot run anything flat. The room has acoustics which will automatically emphasize certain frequencies. Improper EQ'ing is why you think that you do not need subs. The idea is to EQ the room flat. If you just want to show up, plug in and play, that's great.
"That's too deep" ROTFLMMFAO Cerwin Vega has always had bass. CV was for years the benchmark until it was sold to Gibson and now CV is essentially bankrupt. Trying to compare a folded design vs a front loaded cabinet is like trying to compare the size of an orange to the size of a grapefruit. Yes, they both have circumference, but 100% completely different animals. The bass on those thing will come in at about 25' if the phasing is correct. But because the room was not checked acoustically, proper EQ used, phasing becomes an issue.
I needed a good laugh.
I regularly use absolute junk, but I've spent lots of time learning exactly how to set it up to make it sound good, it sounds better than some RCF installations I've heard!
For real man
I have 4x Srx828sp and 4x Srx835P, really liked the rig until I starting mixing on RCF gear and realized how low output the Jbl stuff is in comparison. Selling the rig for 9006 subs and Hdl-6a tops
Wassup Brooooo!