8mm Mauser Started it All
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- 8mm Mauser Started it All
Welcome to the Ron Spomer Outdoors Podcast! In this episode, I read an article I wrote about an amazing pronghorn hunt I went on in Colorado.
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For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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The J is actually an I for Infanterie which means Infantry in German, and JS is IS for Infanterie Spitz, or Infantry Pointed.
The I was mistaken for a J because they are similar in the Gothic script Germany used back then.
And not only the diameter was increased but the round nosed bullet was replaced by a modern pointed bullet.
J for jaeger?
There is no J, it's an I, but it looks like a J in German Gothic Script, but if there hypothetically was one, it could possibly have been : Jagd, for civilian, hunting rounds, and : Infanterie, for military rounds. But they never made such a difference between the ammo in the first place, and the civilians could hunt with military ammo until 1919.
@@Winkler_B_Rudolf_1911 In the modern era the few Germans that do get their hands on rifles do in fact use both J and I for the 8x57, J for hunting loads and I for basic FMJ plinking. in its early days you are right, there was no JS just IS.
that is interesing! Thanks for explaining. Especially for people like me, English only speakers/readers, who’ve no idea of the difference. Also, I am very concerned about your profile pic. Concerned but also morbidly curious. I am having only bad thoughts, possibly due to propaganda things. What does it mean? Why is it a red and black German eagle? Are you a neofascist? Anyways, I want to learn and hope to be wrong about my propaganda influenced thoughts on red and black German eagle symbols. Do you believe in the Bill of Rights and free speech? Because fascists and communists do not.
@@nozrep The profile picture comes from a game called Papers Please, which I played a few years ago, where you play as a border guard in a fictional country based on East Germany.
And about freedom, everyone should be free.
As long as they are not doing criminal activities like sexual assault, drugs trafficking, stealing, murder...
And as long as they don't force their opinion on others, which is something that the Democrats in the USA and the European Union bureaucracy in Brussels, as well as the Zelensky Regime and Israel are doing.
..still using my 8x57is the best moose cal.ever!!
Greetings from Sweden 😉
Big fan of the 8mm. It just dumps deer on the back. Beautiful round😊😊
They really had it figured out. We're really lucky John Browning and the Garrand guy was on our side. ( and Patton )
Oh yeah we sure were, look at the allies today, what a paradise right. Im ready to start speak¡ng German at this point.
My buddy's father took a 8mm Mauser as a trophy in WW2. My buddy ended up with it and that thing was a hard-hitting laser. The rifle had a single post scope and a set trigger, obviously a sniper's rifle. All the numbers matched and it was stamped with Nazi markings. Hell of a gun. It should be in a museum.
A Kar98k?
Also got a 1943 made Kar98 without a side mount for a rail, but that didn't stop me fixing one to it after sending it off to H&K themselves. Mauser engineers were the ones who founded H&K and if you don't know who Heckler & Kock are one thing.
*MP5*
That rifle is worth a mint if it is a true german sniper. It maybe a Jaeger or hunting rifle. Still worth a good bit.
I've used the 8mm and killed a lot of deer with it . One of my favorite cartridge round to hunt with .
Been hunting with the 8 x 57 for 30 years and killed a bunch of elk and mule deer with it. My favorite load is the Norma 196 grain.
I have a beautiful 1939 K98 German Mauser . That 8mm does quick work to The Deer and Elk here in Idaho. I've thought about scoping it, but I just can't bring myself to ruin a German Wehrmacht rifle
Get an NDT scope mount, so it's not permanently modified.
@@Wildwestwrangler I'm gonna go check that out. Thanks for the info. Everything I look at requires modification or it looks really cheap.
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My dad had four. 3 war trophies. 1 that was a custom. The custom had an old Weaver 6x. He took about every medium or large game animal in North America. It was his everything rifle.
I just recently got into 8mm got gramps old rifle kicks like a mule.
The 7.92 is probably one of my favourite cartridges to shoot, has lots of power for its size, can take surprisingly high grains of powder depending on brass quality, isn't as hard recoiling at least I've found it to be softer and smoother than say 30-06 and 303 British and, it's the caliber used in my favourite rifle in both WWs.
*Mauser achtunneunzig*
*Mauser 98*
I have an 8mm Mauser. Had a hard time finding ammo for years. I wish I had kept the stripper clips. I did not know at the time what they were and threw them away.
I did the same with my mosin, I thought they were just bullet holders
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Clips are available from SARCO or Numerich.
It's getting easier to find though. I just picked up 4 boxes of sellier and bellot 196gr spce.
I love shooting my 8mm, not the cheapest but still a fun range toy
8x57IS is a good Cartridge for Hunting, enough Power to get all Game Animal in most Parts of the World, like 308 works good out of shorter Barrels for nowadays use with Supressors, and has become more and more Popular The last 2 Decades in Europe espacially for Driven Hunts. It is a well rouned Cartridge that doesnt destroy more meat then needed, and has a little bit more oompf then 308. Prefered Bullet Weights are from 160gn Barnes TTSX to 196gn Norma Oryx
I have Model 88 Commission Mauser 1891 manufactured. The action is stamped with an S meaning it was rechambered for the .323.
Glad you finally listened to me. The light bulb went off for you.
7.92x57! One of my favorite calibers!
I had a relative that used the 8mm mauser and it took a lot of WV Deer over the years.
Great caliber but underrated in America.
Thanks for the history lesson, Mr. Ron! Have yo give the "pioneers" their due!! Mr. Mauset, you did real good!!
“J” is a common misnomer. The correct notation is “I” for Infantrie. When the cartridge was updated in 1905 the specification was altered to 7.92x57 IS denoting “Infantrie Spitzgeschoss” meaning pointed bullet. The “J” is an American mistake.
The 8mm Remington Magnum is an excellent round that never gained popularity. I believe Craig Boddington is a proponent of the round.
I have an ex-Yugoslavian Army Mauser in 8mm. Its sorta beat up on the outside but very nice internally. I regret not buying more of the 1970's stamped Romanian surplus FMJ back in the 90's. It has less of a brutal kick than the Yugo surplus ammo and is accurate for my modest needs.
My first rifle. A very good family friend gave it to me as a gift when I was younger. It's still the slickest smooth action that I have.
I believe the 7x57 was developed ten years before the 8x57
originally designed for military rifles, the 8x57IS is still used by german hunters today, they say it's enough to take down boar and big deer without damaging too much meat when shooting chamois or smaller deer, it's one of those "in between" cartidges - not too big and too small so very universal
It's not in between anything. Ballistically it's nearly identical to a 30-06. The 8mm with 196gr bullet is an even match energy wise to an 06 with 180gr bullets!!!
It's my favorite rifle cartridge
I love the 8x57 , the 7x57 & the 6.5x57
I love my 8 mm's
Still super popular cartridge in Germany especially in forest hunting and driven hunt.
8x57, especially with modern pressures and bullets, will cleanly handle anything in the lower 48. Always wanted the Model 700 mounted rifle 8mm, but it wasnt in my cards.
The 8mm/57 is an excellent hunting cartridge low recoil excellent penetration.
This man really does a fantastic job explaining! Thank you 👍🇺🇸
But he has all the Facts wrong !!!
My Grandfather brought home a Mauser in 1908. just so happens to be the Mod 1908 Mauser chambered in 7×57mm. Still shoots go to this day
I have a safe full of 8mm Mausers. I love that cartridge
It's odd how the 8mm still hasn't gained much popularity in the US. In particular, the 325 WSM should be a very popular cartridge for bigger game, but it is all but dead. One of my favorite wildcat rounds is the 8mm-'06, AI or otherwise. It made the already very good 8x57 into an 8x63, using the ubiquitous '06 brass. What's not to love? :)
Sweden had a machine gun in 8x63.
Perfect cartridge for deer. I bagged my very first deer with an old model 98 with iron sights..
I have an 8mm Turkish Mauser that was given to me by my son. Believe it or not, a friend of his had thrown it in a dumpster thinking it was worthless! My son pulled it out and brought it to me. I cleaned it and put a scout scope on the back sight mount like I did on my Mossin. IT also came with 100 rounds of surplus and 30 hunting ammo. I have sighted it in mpbr at 250 yards and plan on taking a deer with it thus year. according to my Lee reloading manual I can use CFE 223 powder and match 30-06 performance. I can also make 8mm cases from 30-06 brass. IT should be good enough for anything in North America.
I have loved having and shooting both the 7 and 8 x57 over the years smooth actions accurate, but never took the hunting, except the 8 went with me Alaska as a back up on a moose hunt. Took the moose with an 06...so no blood on the 8......maybe some day.
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Twenty years ago, 8X57JS ammo was readily available as surplus ammo. I routinely fired it during target shooting and plinking.
I have 2 packets of 8×57 military ammo that the German forces in South West Africa (now Namibia) dumped into Lake Otjikoto when the South African forces were breathing down their necks.
Lake Otjikoto is a DEEP sinkhole. In the 1980s a record setting freshwater / cave dive was done by a team of South African divers to explore the sinkhole. The leader was a guy named Rob De Koning.
They retrived a lot of weaponry, among which my 2 packs of 8x57 ammo.
The cardboard boxes with metal corners remained intact. It was so deep, there was no oxygen for rot or rust.
Same goes for that bolt action. Long lived.
7x57mm is the winner.
Have had about every Mauser, G-4!, G-98, Kar 98a, K-43, FN 49 in 8mm. All great weapons that shoot better than 95% of all the other calibers that were used in military services World wide. Love the caliber.
7.92x57 is an excellent round it has good long range abilities due to the 200gr plus boat tail bullets.
My first used gun show gun was an 8 mm military Mauser I bought Back in 1970, I knew then it was not white-hot popular so I sold it. But it dud sell pretty fast? Think there was maybe something to that?
Have 2. Great round. Cool guns. A bolt and a semi auto. It's not terribly easy to find right now.
8mm magnums cool
Well, everybody also used the Mauser action. Me and the Remington 700 is the single most sold rifle every year in America.
0.5 MOA Gew 98 Shoots flatter then 130 gr 6.5 Creedmoor out to 1000m + with .573 b.c. 8mm WW2 spec ammo loaded up warm.
K98k too. Sounds better loading the rounds too. Germans knew it.
That's crazy!! My sporterized Gew 98 from 1918 is shooting 1.5 inch groups with 21" free floated barrel and Redfield 70 peep sights. I know you can't harvest an animal at your distance but I read that it's dropping 20 plus inches at 400 yards or more?
@dustinpollard6237 you are 1939 better than 2024.
8x57 js ➡️ 8x57 is >>>>>> its name came from 7.92x57 infantry spitzerbullet (first spirepoint bullet). 8x57is my favorite!!! in modern steyr mannlicher rifle ⚡️
It’s my got in my rifle ensemble
The 8x57JS is a hard hitting accurate round but so is the 30-06 Springfield.
I assume the JS is the one used in all World War I and World War II firearms? Are they interchangeable between J and JS?
I have a polish k98 chambered in the 8mm it’s a 1928 radom Mauser and I love it. Better quality than the German k98 in my opinion
325 wsm is a hell of a round . The best of the wsm offspring
What rifle in the 325 wsmdu shoot
God this is one of my pet pevs . It is 7.92× 57 Mauser grrrrrrr 😅
Have the 8mm magnum, and no long can get shells for it, don't know if it still can be found, it's like the 300 win. And I have killed a lot of moose and bear with it In Alaska.
Its not J it is an “I“ as in Ice.
The reason they made the bullet wider
Is really important and should be known by an “expert“ like Mr Spomer
Explaining it to us …
The accuracy of the 8x57 I was not good enough in the world famous MG42 machine gun as the bullet jackets were to thin.
Strengthening the jackets an thus widen the bullet diameter resulted in higher accuracy and barrel life of the
fastest machine gun of WW 2.
Interestingly the new 8x57 IS S for Stark (strong) did not fit older rifles without serious risk of overpressure.
The 8x57 IS is also available as a rimmed Cartridge for Double rifles and Drillings. Its called 8x57IRS the R stands for Rand (rimmed).
German ammo manufacturer mark the stronger jacket Bullets with black primer paint to avoid mistakes
To confuse you even more there is also green an red primer paint.
This is necessary to distinguish the same type of bullet when already loaded to the given overall length.
The heavier bullet sticks deeper into the case without any visible difference
Green primer is the lighter of the two available bullets red is for the heavier bullet of equal design.
The 8mm cartridge is also available in 8x64 and 8x68s which is the German Magnum cartridge close to the 300 Win Mag but it dos not need a belt
8mm Rem mag is basicly a 338 Win mag power level big game cartridge. The 8mm mag was underpowered and could become like a 340 Weatherby.
I have to agree that the 8mm (converts to .315 inches) is not that popular in the U. S. A. But most 8mm bullets are actually .323".
The questionable authoritative wikipedia lists the following as 8mm cartridges:
8mm Remington Magnum
.338 Norma Magnum
.338 Winchester Magnum
.338 Lapua Magnum
.338 Whisper
.338 Marlin Express
.33 Winchester
.338-06
8,5 × 68 Fanzoj
338 Blaser Mag.
.338 Federal
.338 Ruger Compact Magnum
.338 Remington Ultra Magnum
.338 Edge
.338 Weatherby RPM
.340 Weatherby Magnum
.338-378 Weatherby Magnum
.33 Nosler
The extra power over the many available 30 calibers makes little sense.
Me personally I love the 8 mm Mauser round not sure why it seems that it doesn't have a lot of sharp recoil it's more of a push. I am recoil sensitive I've only found two rounds so I can fire out of the rifle that doesn't have a break on it that are full power full-size cartridges per se. That is the 8 mm Mauser and the 7.35 Carcano. Neither one of those cause many issues unlike a 308 and 30 ought 6 which seems to have sharper recoil that limits my ability to shoot them without a muzzle brake
What's the 8x56 one to!??
Wrong, it was actually the 7.62x54r made for the mosin nagant rifle in 1891 predates even the .30-40 krag, most all modern center-fire smokeless cartridges are based on some variation of the 7.62x54r nagant round , event the 8 mm Mauser copies this
Unfortunately, another unpopular cartridge.. the 41 magnum
I have a f who has one in mint condition. He bought it off a family member of mine when I was very young I love that gun and he will not sell it for nothing in the world
I have a matching numbers Mauser 98 from 1942 !! It has all the Swastikas and original markings still !! It was sporterized ( bubba'ed) in the 50's but it still shoots great !!!
Rumor has it Germany was competing against 8mm Lebel and the jump from .318 to .323 was an ongoing attempt to duplicate or improve on the Lebel ballistics as the 11mm black powder Mauser was phased out.
Is there ANYTHING more convoluted and confusing than ammo calibers? 9mm, 65 Creedmore, .223, 222, 22, 357 mag, 10mm, 30-06, etc....
Keep quiet man. Im still trying to stock up before the prices jump. Hahaha
Kinda thanking the 7x57 was the poppa
I thought the 8mm was first. Not sure though.
That was my understanding. The Mauser Models 92 and 93 are both 7x57, the 7.92x57 was popularized by the K 98. It is possible earlier models I'm not familiar with may have used the larger diameter. I do know the 7x57 was the first to combine the Spitzer round and smokeless powder.
My 1914 Model 93 is on it's 4th scope and with Remington ammo still a great hunting rifle for deer and pigs.
8x57 developed in 1888. 7x57 in 1891.
I have an k98 8mm and a 1917 7mm both are great hunting rifles the 7mm gave to wife its shorter and lighter for her to hunt prong horn
If you have a 30-06 you dont need a 8mm mauser. And vice versa
You can,t get ammo anymore for 8mm you have to pay 40 to 50 a box in PA if you can fine them
Shiiiit… we pay 50-60 for a box of 9MM here is WA 😭
Doesnt help that american 8x57 is usually loaded like 32 winchester special. Full power 8x57 fucking rocks your shit
All you need is the 556. And the 762. Too many calibers for who knows. Keep it simple.
Need vs. want. I have at least a dozen calibers.
8mm is too much for deer
Spitzer?
Means pointed
@@K0ester Yes he said JS so I was wondering if the S in JS meant Spitzer. I know that spitzer means pointed (I think in German).
@@JeromeBill7718 oh, I see. I would also like to know. I dont think I've heard of that designation for a bullet.
@@K0ester en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spitzer_(bullet)