Would you rather Cupsole or Vulcsole
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- There are a few KEY things to remember when you are picking between a Vulc and a Cup. here's what 16 years of skating taught me.
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padding ! most vulc shoes are a lot thinner than cupsoles, in general I hurt my feet a lot more in vulcs.
That’s a good point.
@@rowanmadden8689 not worth it because vulc hurts your feet first, then your back, then you become paraplegic so you cant wear vulcs anymore
agreed
I think Christian wanted some dabate because is totally the opposite 😅
@@Elec3cal great, i love vulcs. any tips for a nice thicc pair ? i just got the Rowans they look pretty sturdy
My opinion:
Cupsole: more consistent flick
Vulcs: more dramatic flick
This ^
I’ve only ever owned and skated one pair of vulcanized shoes. The flick is precisely why I stopped skating them.
what does dramatic flick mean, like good style or just a better flick?
@@joshmolina6528 dramatic meaning a bit faster and a little less control sometimes. If you see a good pair of vulcanized shoes, then go for it. If you’re used to skating cup soles then just expect to change up your skating a bit. Nothing bad.
I recently bought me some Kyle walker pros because I want to give vulcanized shoes another shot. My advice: Go with what feels right for you. Personally, I love cup soles for the protection.
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Idk about cup or vulc, but what I do know is you should do a full review on Timbs 🥾🥾🥾🥾
Bruh why does Jake paul have more subs than this dude
Love the vids, what’s up dude I also just copped the Shane’s
thanks man! just working on videos and freelance work. and nice. I liked them
When you’re to poor to support the patreon lol
Honestly I enjoy the flick on cupsoles more than on vulc shoes. Idk I just feel like when I'm doing it on a cupsole, since the suede is the part of the shoe that is flicking, it feels so much more precise and more controlled. On a vulc you have this big rubber part that makes my flicks more inconsistent. That rubber kinda separates my foot from the board, but when you are flicking with the suede part it feels like your actual toe is doing the flick which makes it more controlled. Also, that rubber on the vulcs wears out super fast for me, and I absolutely hate that my kickflips feel some way one week and they feel completely different the next week because the rubber wore out which makes the flick feel different.
Great video and straight to the point. I feel like cupsoles have way more padding as well. I’m not very good and only getting older so gotta go cupsole for me! Keep killing it man!
101 kick flips in dr. Martens 😂
The best simple explaination I found on youtube, the pictures made it easier to understand what a cupsole and vulcsole shoe is.
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board feel - The bottom/outsole of vulcs is more flexible, meaning you're going to feel a lot more through the shoe.
Stiffness/break-in time - cup soles are all one piece and they're carved instead of melted into shape, so generally they're going to stay stiffer longer and take more time to break in (I say generally, because eS is ridiculously soft).
Hyped on the shout-out at the beginning. Thanks man!
landing protection coulda been covered too. Landing primo in vulc (vans specifically) is genuinely painful in comparison to cup soles
The biggest difference is a Cup sole shoe is built and can have more padding in the outsole, which makes it more stable protecting your ankle/knee joints, not to mention protecting the small bones and muscles in your feet . A vulc is cooked and the only way to add padding is with an insole and they lack real structure and support. . I've skated on and off over 30 years. Vulc shoes will destroy your feet over time and you end up standing on a thicker insole which isn't good on your arches. Now that is somewhat my opinion. . but my feet at this point can't handle a vulc shoe for more than 1 hour and a cup sole I can skate in all day at 41 years old.
vulc shoes are baked in an oven, which makes the rubber compound softer, so the material grips not and feels more broken in off the bat. where cup shoes are not and are given a thicker mid sole most of the time.
you should review some DCs og reissue
Boardfeel- vulcs
Flick- vulcs
Durability- cups
Stability- cups
Impact- cups
Grip- vulcs
Consistency- cups
Oh yeah, and review the Etnies Veer, it's the first cup I've seen on a slip on and I want to know what's up with that.
Another thing to consider is also the quality of vulc because not all vulcs are created equally. The same is true for cupsoles but arguably to a lesser extent. For example, Vans vulc (which gets all floppy rather quickly) vs Nike SB Shane vulc (which holds its form very well and doesn’t get all floppy). Thin and floppy vulc tends to leave feet hurting...lemon drop!
0:54 i saw that moving text. im hype!!!
éS Silo? Such a comfy bastard of a shoe.
Crazy how I'm just finding this channel. Subbed instantly
All I know is (and what honestly confuses me most) is that when I went from Nike Bruin SB’s (vulc), to eS accel slims (cupsole)… the NIKE’S HAD INFINITELY BETTER IMPACT SUPPORT with a bouncy rubber outsole and a zoom insole. Maybe the eS shoes are just poorly made now since they’re resurgence, but I couldn’t believe how much pain the accels caused and how thin they were compared to the sole of the Nike bruins. 🤷♂️
On a different note, I just wish the Tiago 1010’s had better grip and ball of foot support… because that shoe would be pretty perfect otherwise. And it’s not nearly as bulky as I thought it would be from photos online.
PS: Christian PLEASE release your signature insole 🙏 otherwise I may consider the FP insole for whatever next shoe I go for… maybe Etnies marana 🙏
Vulc is more flimsy and wears down faster, but feels broken in much faster, and have better board feel. Cupsoles are stiffer and take longer to break in but last longer and are better for large drops.
Vulc sole - heat compressed giving it a very flexible, grippy sole. Have more board feel, easier for tech skaters.
Cup sole - cold concrete compressed mold. Gives the sole more structure and impact protection. Great for gnarly gap or big stair set skaters.
If your foot sits higher or lower on a shoe has nothing to do with the shoe being cupsole or vulc.This has to do only with the padding of the sole and the insole.
Usually your foot sits lower on vulcs as the sole is made from a thinner layer and usually the insoles are not that thick(there are exceptions of course).For that reason(your foot sitting lower) we say that with vulc we are having better boardfeel.
Cupsoles include usually more tech and indeed the foot sits higher than in vulcs.With cups you have better cushion and a bit less boardfeel although nowadays materials have improved a lot.
For the flick, in vulcs, due to this extra layer of thermoplastic material, your toes are sitting 2-3 cm back from the edge of the shoe and this can affect your foot positioning when doing flip tricks.With cupsoles, flip tricks are usually more in point as your toes are closer to the edge of the shoe and as a result there is a more accurate flick.
Personally I love Vulcanized shoes for the boardfeel, I don't skate drops often
I'm about to get the tyshawns tho. Great vid👍
One of the best shoes of all time no kidding
Hey how were the tyshawns?
Christian two things. Natural heelfliper here. Just you.
Second, glad you did this video was actually thinking of this very question .
What about a review on the lakai Cambridge 😳
When I was a teenager I preferred vulcs, mainly vans. But now in my late 20s I appreciate the support and stability of a cupsole and I actually prefer the flick of a cupsole.
Cupsole all the way. I longboard and consider having a shoe that has arch support and cushioning over board feel. More versatility. And you can wear it for everyday purposes not just skate
Hey what about a new review about éS Accel Slim (plus) or
You need to do a review on the (DVS Celsius) I haven’t seen anyone do one on CZcams and I really want to see it👍
I love how cupsole shoes provide a lot more comfort and support. I'd probably say I am not a fan of vulc shoes for that reason. But at the same time I can't deny they tend to flick ever so slightly easier. And they're also less durable than the cupsole shoes IMHO. So yeah, that's like 3 pros versus 1 pro basically. Some of the thinner cupsoles shoes, like Adidas Liberty Cup and Adidas 3st.004 still have an amazing flick. The Liberty Cup maybe isn't super durable, but I'd gladly get those shoes again if they wear down. So far my favourite shoes though are the eS Accel OG (probably would love the Accel Slims better, but haven't tried them) and the Etnies Joslin 1 (a bit hit or miss when it comes to the flick if my foot isn't angled properly; ie. takes some getting used to). To be fair though, the eS Accel OG kind of require a more 'brute force' flick if you know what I mean. Something like Vans 112 Pros take much less effort to flip a board with. But to flimsy.
the Adidas Busenitz vulc 2 are great for heelflips if you like the feeling of vulcs.
Tyshawns adidas are amazing
vulc shoes have way softer rubber, the softer rubber has a more grippy flick but will wear down faster and be less solid.
Cupsole shoes are more durable generally. Although there is some very durable vulc shoes, cupsole is more durable it is generally a thicker shoe
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“ Best channel in the world... lemon drop!” But fr you are underrated I feel. Keep up the good work
Cupsole.
Most vulcs feel like dress shoes. No heel or ankle support.
Cupsoles feel like actual athletic shoes 🤷♂️
Currently skating Vans Kyle Walker lace ups. The wafflecup feels very secure like a cupsole 👍
Best channel in the world, lemon drop...
Your foot actually sits higher on a cupsole than vulc. Vulc has literally rubber stacked with insole foam then maybe padding. Vulcanized includes a side wall taping process which requires heat, any inner comfort foam would burn up. Cupsoles have those built in, personal choice🙂. But vulcs for pool skating... Really good
you should do a review on the nike sb adversary premiums !!
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Been skating for about 17 years now, personally I prefer vulc. I just like the board feel and the grip, I’ve wasted money on cupsole shoes for forever hoping they would skate good but I never ended up being able to session them. Not being able to feel the board is one of the worst feeling with a skate shoe
Also, heelflips do give me issues with vulc but I always thought that was just me
I just bought a cup and a Vulc thanks I will see witch one I like better
Cup soles are the cheat codes of skating
Cupsoles for me. I feel like cupsoles have a more consistent flick and the padding and thickness of the shoe makes me feel more confident on my board. Vulcanized shoes have an amazing flick, but feel like it’s less consistent, but the thinness makes me feel scared to do anything not on flat lol
review globe shoes
ps: the insoles suck
pss: i think that you are wrong in one thing... the space in between the floor and the foot is higher in a cup sole not in a vulc
psss: lvu
It really depends on how thick the vulc sole is and how much padding they drop into three mid-sole. Adidas cup soles tend to be super thick, but I've gotten a couple pairs of fallen and a pair of eS that are fairly thin. Vulc is fairly standard (but not indistinguishable).
Easy adidas city cup. Vulc front from dat flip and cup back for that impact protection
Cupsoles give companies the option to use basicly every material they want as midsole. For vulcs midsoles exist(ed), but nowadays most companies cheap out on them because the market demands boardfeel anyway.
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Rode vans vulcs since 2000 but now at 31 years old, my feet are killed after a sesh. Constant heel bruises/toe bruises and planters problems. Recently picked up those Tiago nm1010s and my feet feel like I’m 16 again
Ur the best cuz I Watch your shoe reviews before I buy a shoe thanks ur a life saver.
If you do the same thing like this
do an Emerica shoe review! ill definitely sub and like every video then. just want to see if they're still solid kicks.
Got an Emerica Romero, they're solid af..
Their designer also did a video bout cupsole vs vulcanised too back then..😂
I like vulc for street and cup for parks
I much prefer flipping with cupsoles, but I find it depends if you like a worn in, non-grippy/slip off the foot style kickflip or a shoe/grip combo that's super sticky.
love kick flips but dunks are my favorite skate shoe
I’m a loyal subscriber and I don’t care of whatever you post, but I think because you stopped doing weekend sessions and less shoe reviews so I think if you posted more videos with skating and street skating ur percentages may go up. But I’m always gonna watch each and every vid of yours 👍
can you please review the vans crockett high pro's next?????????
please can you do a lakai carrol review. love your vids
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Yoo I really want this one. I love the look of it
I personally find cup soles are better for kickflips! Just more of a consistent flick. Plus gives me a little more confidence sending them down stairs.
Sick video Christian yeeewwww!
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Man, okay I’m not crazy. I feel like I lose and have to re-find kickflips in cupsole but they are like a heelflip cheat code or hack and vice versa for vulcs. This makes sense. Thanks!
Like the background music
I like them both but I usually prefer vulc. Sometimes I get cupsole shoes that I can skate properly right after wearing them first time (like Nike slip-on Janoski which I skated for like 4 months and stopped skating them last weekend and they are awesome), sometimes it takes 2 weeks just for me to get used to them (happens to me with pretty much all the Vans Pro cupsoles). When I get a new pair of Cons 1star or any Lakai vulc I know they are gonna kickflip just the way I like it right out of the box. But hey, I'm old and I skate mostly ledges, flatbars, transitions. If I were 15 years younger and still jumping down stuff that's higher than my waist I d probably go cupsole all the way.
Been skating almost 20 years now (I’m about to turn 26) and I bought my *first* ever pair of Vans to skate in a few months ago, sk8-hi’s! I was super pumped to get ‘em because obviously everyone LOVE vans, but personally I was super disappointed in them and now that they’re falling apart I’m looking for alternatives. Probably another pair of Lakai’s but I’m also looking at Fallen again!
I couldn’t put my finger on why I’m so unhappy with the vans until now. I’ve been trying to explain to ppl that I feel like I’m standing on top of the shoe as opposed to in it and I now realize that I’ve skated cupsoles my entire life. They say vulcs have better board feel but only on the top of your foot in my experience, which is not necessarily where I want to be feeling anything 🤦🏻♂️ Not only that but my feet are also dead after even just an hour of skating. Not comfortable, not enough feel where I want it, and I also feel that waffle pattern is maybe even TOO sticky for my taste.
I do love the classic look of a pair of vans though and they’ll continue to be in my wardrobe, just not for skating.
Wish I had videos like this back in the day!
Best channel in the world lemme drop
Christian, could you do a video comparing two pairs of the same shoes but differ in half a size? I've always bought shoes that are long enough so I can slip a finger in them. But I wonder if wearing a smaller shoe might make flip tricks easier. Great video as always btw.
What bro
Vulc all day with some Fp insoles is the way to go
is kyle walker pro good or half cab pro, or are these both good?
My friend had them and they were super good, they lasted him like 3 months, Christian also made a review back on ride channel
@@poopooman6593 ik but it felt sponsored and he didn't say the bad things about them
that one is super good. for that reason.
@@christianflores what reason? and which one is good?
@@christianflores like I am a beginner and I want shoes that would help me get rid of the vibration of the board cause I got shitty roads to skate, and which is durable cause I can only get 1 pair of shoes
Fuck yeah. Mac Miller sample on the intro
Vulc shoes always have better initiate board feel but cupsole break in much better for it. Heelfips always feel clunky cause of the fox tape and cupsole is always reinforced from the single piece.
Tom Penny Supra for the next review
Review the fat globes like the old school ones!!!!
try skating air force 1’s i see a lot of people using those
Ill try some at some point.
He did
I’m skating some rn and they’re not bad. They were weird at first but that’s damn near any skate shoe
The outsole is a thicc’n
@@asokahanderson122 Don’t they have like zero board feel? Lol I’ve never skated them but I’ve used them just to walk around and I don’t think I’d enjoy skating them
Hello Christian, nice video as usual. Please review the Emerica Figgy Dose or another EMERICA shoe - you have been reviewing skate shoes for such a long time and still not a single review on one of the best and truest to skateboarding brands?! Come on!
Pls try cons slip ons and welcome decks
Oiii I've been waiting for u to make this video let's goooo
making em every week. :)
@@christianflores keep it up man, it's actually disgusting how underrated u are
can't wait for you to drop those laces man!
Boardfeel, I feel like I have better boardfeel with vulc, but then again the only cupsoles I've skated are some thicc DC's from the 90s so that could just be me
Yoyo love the vids and uh table tile, Chicken Fried Rice, Nike SB Dunks, Tomato, and uhhh lemon drop
Also could you do 101 kickflips in some running shoes?
I typically enjoy my skating more in cupsoles even tho the flick is better with vulcs. Very particular on cupsoles tho the toe cap for me needs to be nice and narrow or kickflips are wack as hell
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Personally cup soles being more sturdy helps with my flick and I don't get heel bruises as much.
i need me some lemon drops cuz i been subbed since the world began
I can agree Cupsole is just better for Heelflips but I dont know why
I skate cupsoles because im 27 years old and need the support for my back and knees
vulc for life
For me heel flips are just easier with a mid or high top vulc just feels a lot lower for me
In my opinion the heelflip of a vulc shoe is different. Cup is a consistant slow flick and vulc is like a fast but less consistent flick for me.
It’s honestly all up to personal preference. I personally like cupsole more as I feel like my feet are more protected. I’ve tried both and cupsole always wins for me. If anyone is conflicted with cupsole or vulcanized, just try them both. Then boom, now you know what some you like.
But Christian? Is the sole really thicker on a cupsole? And is there really more “padding” under your foot with a cupsole or am I just overthinking it?
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Im a heelflip guy and I've skated nothing but vulcs until now. Cupsoles are so good I feel like I wasted my youth lol
I don't like the terminology cupsole vs vulcsole. Both outsole types form a cup around the upper part of the shoe. Both types typically contain natural latex rubber that has been vulcanized to harden it. From my research it honestly doesn't look like there's a big difference between the two. If you watch how Vans produces their gum outsoles, they cook natural rubber mixed with sulfur in a mold, then they use a glue to bond it to the upper, and more glue to bond the tape (raw natural rubber mixed with sulfur) to the outsole and the upper. That's why the bond between the tape, upper and outsole is such a weak point in the shoe, it's done with glue instead of being a continuous piece of rubber. And they don't do any stitching between the upper and outsole. In a 'cupsole', the cup shape (equivalent to the tape on the Vans-type process) is part of the initial rubber mold. But the materials are the same, as far as I can tell. Another difference would be cupsoles tend to be thicker. You can look at the structure in the heel of a cupsole like Margom or the one in Adidas Stan Smiths. They're just a thicker kind of cell structure compared to the Vans outsole which also has cells--the honeycomb pattern--the Vans outsoles are just thinner overall. I think a better term for vulcsole would be taped sole. Cupsole can keep its name.
I think if anything, the honeycomb pattern on the Vans outsole actually provides worse traction compared to a smooth outsole. It has no lugs, just a bunch of little crevices to gather muck. I would much prefer a smooth outsole. On semi-smooth surfaces a smooth outsole would provide more frictional surface area. I think the honeycomb pattern is just a way to save on materials and weight.
review the off white vulcanized
DO A REVIEW ON DUNKS OR DUNK SB PLEASEEEE
With cupsole shoes you have less board feel