KHABIB Nurmagomedov Vs Charles OLIVEIRA: Who’s the Greatest UFC lightweight | Bisping
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- Khabib Nurmagomedov or Charles Oliveira? Michael Bisping on who's the greatest UFC lightweight of all time!
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Oliveria is the uncrowned but Khabib is a - WHO IS THE NO.1 UFC LIGHTWEIGHT EVER!?!?!
Oliveira in my opinion.
Way more exiting fights and he isnt afraid to strike with anyone even though his strength is on the mat.
Charles is the Goat.
1. Charles have more submission wins in UFC than khabib has total fights in the UFC.
2. Charles finished every top opponent that Khabib faced, in a faster and more dominating fashion.
3. Charles dropped the most dangerous striker with bombs, Justin before finishing him which khabib could never do in his lifetime no matter how much he try.
@@dechef3009 khabib run through everyone on stand up. The reason charles stand up is because he don't know how to taking down his opponents 😂😂😂
@@crocop1582 calm down sherlock he almost lost literally to everybody 😂😂😂
If he is so great why he keep avoiding islam instead calling out bunch of leftover fighters
@@88RISINGupdate Islam must fight Dariush first, then he needs to fight one of the top guys, thats what Charles said.. shouldnt be a problem for Islam right? There is no easy road for anyone in this division when charles is at the top, he struggled to get there so Islam needs to struggle a bit also.
What Chael said about Khabib was really interesting, he said “ Khabib never showed us how good he was, he showed us how better he was than the other fighters” that describes why many people, including me sometimes, that would hesitate about Khabib winning his next fight due to “Khabib’s next fighter is the real challenge” and this stuff. Really sad we couldn’t see more of him, and really glad he retired on the top, which not an easy thing to do.
Lol khabib took zero damage so was never worried about khabib not finishing on top. His work eithic and mentality was just different level khabib never bleed in the octogan thats how much ahead he was.
it's true, if only we could see him goes all out, but his opponents didn't really give him much trouble, except for Tibau but Tibau was passive as hell, mostly in defensive mode.
And we never see him against another guy who is good at wrestling like Oliveira! The guy got a big head and he used too much wrestling and when usman was using his superior wrestling they said he was boring. You see standard are different
Yeah. I wish we could have seen prime Tony & Oliveira fights, that would have cemented his legacy.
@@sithembisophewa9380 Usman was boring in the beginning... just look at the masvidal fight....khabib would Maul people...talk to them while smashing them...how is tat boring??
Khabib also has the most 10-8 rounds in all of combat.
True people don't talk about it enough
Ray Robinson had more knockouts than khabib had fights
@Shattered tf you mean so what? Bisping left that out so I was pointing out another huge accolade for Khabib. More 10-8 rounds in all of combat not just MMA is ridiculously impressive. I’m not arguing who would beat who
@@blakeballard6977 And Charles has more losses in fights than Khabibs rounds losses.
@Shattered having the most 10-8 rounds is far more impressive. Literally means you were more dominant and your fights were more one sided than anyone else. And khabib and Charles had their first fights in the ufc about a year apart. Difference is khabib ragdolled everyone he fought since then and Charles got finished multiple times and couldn’t string together 5 wins for years let alone break records for dominance or consecutive rounds won
Khabib won every fight and never took damage. Literally never bleed. That's it for me.
Khabib absolutely 💯
Mauled everyone, never lost, never bled
Khabib is the most dominant and likely the GLOAT. But Charles has taken Tony’s spot as the peoples champ. Seein him go from good to great to now the best and arguably the most exciting in the world has been a hell of a ride.
Always going to root for Charles, as he’s an amazing fighter and human. However, GLOAT has to be Khabib and it’s not even close. Undefeated vs 8 losses, never knocked down vs knocked down 3-4 times in his last three fights, never cut or bled in the cage. It’s not a debate for GLOAT. I love both fighters.
@@Sdot-od8jf understandable opinion and I’m genuinely inclined to agree. But we can’t base everything solely on his undefeated record. Just curious, all time GOAT who’s the best?
Khabib: most dominant.
Charles: best resume in the division.
@@10pmmemes88 not the best resume , khabib has a better resume , dustin also a solid contender for the best resume
@@mikeiso8963 in my opinion if we ignore drug fails all time GOAT has to be JJ, GSP is close second. If we don’t ignore drug test fails, GSP is GOAT. My opinion only.
Khabib is G.O.A.T. forever never lost a fight, never lost a round, never got any cut, never bleed, never got knocked down, never got taken down. It's like a fantasy which all fighter would have
Tibau took him down
It was to be expected that people would eventually start speculating about a potential match with khabib. But I think he would still win, just like every other time people said this fight or that fight would be his toughest test
Khabib took easy match ups mostly. He got tested only a couple times.
@Bill Stevens Nah Charles needs 3 more wins I'd say to be fully considered the UFC greatest of all time. He would then have the most submissions, finishes, wins and longest win streak in the UFC's history.
@@plopdoo339 he's already outdone khabib. He don't need 3 more wins. Foh.
everyone khabib fought were shiverring for the take down ryt? Did he fight someone who loved to be taken down?? NO
@Bill Stevens yeah we should give him full credit for post Gaethje Tony and Michael “my 2 wins in the ufc are 1-7 in there past 8” Chandler. Oh and Khabibs leftovers.
Habib did not bleed not once, this is unbelievable, he is in my opinion the best fighter UFC has seen and if he returns to fight Olivera, he will make him look like a little kid and Oliveira will not be able to respond to this rare talent.
"This is no.1 bull sheet "
This never get old
The thing with Khabib is that we will never know how good he really was/is...
Well duh he has never fought at his natural weight division of 170 lol
@@mahesapardede5310 no they ain’t.
He walks and fights at 185-190
Charles fights at 156 at most.
@@jayr399 Huh? Khabib fought at 155. Same as Charles. Both struggled to make weight. So they are the same division. Odd comment...
@@mahesapardede5310 Dustin doesn’t walk at 185 in fight condition you dummy.
Khabib is 185-190 fight condition. He literally fought at welterweight for years!!!! Meanwhile Dustin and Charles fought at 145 for years and never fought at welterweight!
@@mahesapardede5310
Bruh. Are u gonna go by what he says or what the actual record is???
Dustin is naturally a smaller guy. He’s fought at featherweight. Lmao what are u talking about???
Khabib is a natural welterweight. He’s literally fought there for years. Dustin has never fought welterweight.
Case closed. He ducked his natural weight division.
Don't forget that Khabib also has the most 10-8 rounds of any fighter. He also never got cut, hurt or damaged.
Khabib last 4 fights, decision, round 4 submission, round 3 submission, round 2 submission. Who knows what happen if he has one more fight. Conor subs was brutal, but the Gaethje subs is beautiful, a technical masterpiece.
Yeah, and in 2 fights he gonna submit his opponent in 0 round
Respect to both fights but khabib has my vote 🗳 love the content Bisping keep it up
I’d argue Khabib is the GOAT because of his pure domination, people went into fights trying to get the decision, trying to survive. Charles could arguably be the most dangerous LW in terms of his ability to finish a fight from just about any position. He does get caught a lot tho, and while he’s been so brilliant I always feel like in the back of my mind I’m expecting him to get caught and not come back in fights, khabib is the closest I feel I’ve ever seen to a FLAWLESS UFC fighter
Mighty Mouse I think was the most flawless. But that weight class doesn’t matter.
Khabib i think is the goat of lightweight
no doubt in my mind that khabib is the greatest lightweight and in my opinion he would destroy charles but at higher divisions their are great fighters who could easily challenge him obviously not giving anyone a weight advantage adesanya gsp usman and jones could prove an insane fight witch will sadly never happen
Man needs the damn EYE Surgery
@@yukfooo4784 Jones and Izzy would sleep khabib lmao.weight class exist for a reason
@@arandomguywithabrain izzy got bossed by jan
You said it Michael.... "the guys who beat Oliveira would have been beaten by Khabib". Just like everyone else.
Khabib behaved like he was a complete Boss in the octagon. His mind is his best weapon (and an unbreakable jaw). He would establish the hierarchy early and then figure out his best winning tactics as his opponent is now trying to survive.
Cant describe it more clearly than you did. Mind his mind is his concrete fortress . To be able to break in there you need a wife or a gun .
Khabib never took damage in any of his fights, GOAT status IMO
If you mean never got busted or cut, that's true. But his style complements it. He dives for legs and lays on top of you, wet blanketing you. Not really a realistic statistic to use. If he was a boxer that would be much more impressive than that. In the same sense you can tell he was never truly tested, what would have happened if he was in trouble, aka cut/stunned/wobbled/dropped etc. Charles definitely passed that test and evolved.
Khabib lost to Tibau
@@burekskremicem he stood toe to toe with the best strikers in the division. His stand up defense is world class
@@KenGold666 Hahahahahahahahahahhahaah. That's an exaggeration if I've ever seen one. Just because he throws a few punches to lure an opponent to counter, so he can dive under the punch doesn't mean he stood toe to toe. He'd get killed by most of the top 15 in a stand up.
He never fought Oliveira.
Khabib. No one came close to making him even look beatable, let alone getting close to actually beating him.
Khabib fanboy 🤮 know nothing about MMA 🤮🤣
Khabib is head and shoulders above the whole division. He was almost never in trouble, never bled, never knocked down, smothered his opponents and dragged them into his "deep ocean"...
Charles is amazing nonetheless, his recent run is absolutely sensational
Khabib barely had any title defenses
@@mikailmirzasafdar6803 no it's very relevant, Khabib is great but Charles is looking to become greater than him
Dude, every year we get new amazing prospects and contenders. Khabib fought very rarely and he retired while on top in his prime. You can be like Sean O'Malley and fight unranked fighters for most of your career, get a few impressive wins in top 15 and you can use the argument he's undefeated in lets say 15 UFC fights. It just doesn't have the same ring, when the level of the competition was just starting to rise. For now he is the GOAT, but Charles has a chance to surpass him.
Khabib lost to Tibau
@@vitor4994 tibau was on them roids though
Charles is amazing but Khabib is just on a different level.
Hell no. Khabib wouldn't stand a round again Oliveira.
@@mid-eighties Lmao. Please. You obviously don’t know anything.
@@mid-eighties ok i hate when people call other people casuals without knowing much about them but i have to say this if ive ever seen the dumbest comment ever this is it
True
@@shiplumiah7816 And you know it all 😂 Charles is WAY better in striking, WAY better jiu-jitsu. Do you really think that if even Khabib could take him down would be in a safe spot against Oliveira? Wtf. Khabib was amazing but Do Bronx is just on a another level.
This fight would honestly be the best ever, at least in the lightweight division. Khabib really never fought anyone like Oliveria, but if it happened and I had to bet, I'd go Khabib. This is the only fight that I'd bet against Oliveria.
I honestly feel like Khabib would do the same to Charles as he did to everyone.
Do we seriously need to have this discussion everytime a champ wins 2-3 title defenses?! Khabib is an unstoppable force! If Oliveira can submit Islam.. let's discuss!
Khabib was really good. The only thing is he retired early as hell, could’ve kept dominating top contendors to solidify himself more. Rn, Charles is catching him fast.
Even if he beats Islam it still won't make him the goat because Khabib can also beat Islam, Islam and Charles both make mistake although, one more than the other.
@@anonymousunknown2919 what a stupid line! How do you know khabib beats islam.. just because he trains him..
Islam's fight against dan and Bobby were ruthless.
The way he submitted dan so quick with blunt force was crazy..
The truth is that we don't know if islam has the same chin as khabib.. but in skills he is already there with khabib. He has done this his whole life.
For real
Did Kabib win all 29 fights in the UFC ????
If Charles keeps going on this streak, he will becom LW GOAT, as of now Khabib has that title
Slightly, if Charles can beat Islam it’s a wrap IMO no one else has a chance, other than maybe volk ? But even then I think Charles wins
no charles wasn't boring
While Charles was 20 years old and fighting in the UFC Khabib was fighting cans to pad his record....
Charles is a great fighter, but he would be lightwork for khabib
@@The_Reality_Filter khabib would destroy Charlie
Something not often talked about -
Khabib - *NOT ONLY* unbeaten, but also *only* fighter to walk out of *every* match looking *EXACTLY* like he did walking in... no bruises, black eyes...shit not even a damn scratch.
That only happens when a fighter is levels upon levels above their opponents. *Enuf said*
Never got dropped either. Charles got dropped in all 3 of his fights.
Preach brother .
The reason is, he wrestles against striker. Look at chimaev, he was untouch when he face striker in the ufc until he fought burns.
@@minesteambrand769 Lol, look at how RDA in his prime got his ass whooped by a 25 year old Khabib
@@blackflag6976 rda isnt a wrestler. He isnt a slick bjj practitioner like burns too. He just a grappler that can grapple better than striker but would lose against wrestler. If you know rda then you know. Look at tibau, stuffed 13 takedown attempt from khabib.
He is the G.O.A.T Khabib the eagle 🦅 Nurmagomedov
People forget that the beauty of being a submission artist is that you don’t have to dominate the fight
People forget that being casual fanboy is pathetic
@@88RISINGupdate
What drugs are you on everyone is entitled to be a fan of mma to any degree they choose, calling someone a casual in a derogatory way is pathetic.
@@ian9toes you want to be casual fanboy? I am not your father so as u wish
@@88RISINGupdate
Oh so if you’re a casual fan of something that makes you a fan-boy, cool.
But khabib doninated and submitted the same opponents lol
A tone of respect Michael your a legend much respect from Ireland. My personal opinion comes down to this, Khabib never lost, Khabib made great fighters look extremely average out of place like they didn't belong in the cage, he's in the octagon taking harder positions or choke-outs chasing not to break bones. Khabib was taking pity on his opponents Khabib has nothing to prove every great light weight it was "This is the one, this is they guy who's gonna give Khabib trouble" no one ever did shit. He made them look completely out of their depth. The GAOT of GOAT's and extremely decent generous guy outside. Jon Jones fuck that guy tested positive enough times and is a piece of shit human being.
Facts bro
Bet you don’t call fury the goat though he only had 5 title fights
Very well said and agree on all points. Jones as a fighter is amazing sure but that tainted career and his personal shit outside the octagon just make him so unlikable.
My biggest take with Khabib is that the man took more damage training than in an actual fight lol that's just badassery at it's finest.
Khab did that to Justin and Justin only, let's not over exaggerat. Khab fought like 5 actual good fighters and the rest were PFL quality... Charles has fought WAY BETTER competition. Hence the losses on Charles's record, you don't go undefeated in the UFC unless your cheating or ot fighting the competition you should be. Usman, P4P, with a loss. Islam, most likely going to be top 10 p4p, has a loss, Charles, has losses.. Khab got to jump the line rather quickly once he got into the top 15. Much like Islam is going to.
Let's also not forget, Khab is dropping from 190-205lbs down to 155. Pretty big drop and major advantage in str.
Khabib it’s just in a different level he was never cut never pushed to show what he had in all his tool box. He is absolutely my champ for the rest of the lightweights 🔥🔥🔥
He’s different because he’s a welterweight who tries to throw his weight around at lightweight
Do you know how average he would be at his own weight class? Probably gets sparked by Colby
@@jayr399 Khabib took advantage and one dimensional fighter
Lol they all walk around heavier an close to 170.
After the weigh most fighters gain an avarage of 10% their body weight
@@191010ak
???? cap. Theyre 165 fighting weight at maxium
Dustin, Poirier, COnor Charles etc fought at featherweight for years, meanwhile Khabib was already a natural welterweight in the same time span. He basically clears them by 2 weight classes. Khabib never fought at welterweight his natural weight class
Alhamdulillah
When Khabib fought the people Charles did he made it look like much less of a struggle. They’re both real bad dudes.
Yet Charles did a quicker job.
@@jaymthesn5981 Absolutely, the man is down to bang. He fights less safely than Khabib which makes him more entertaining IMO but you’ll meet more resistance that way.
@@jaymthesn5981 Khabib did a flawless job.
Undefeated,undisputed, never lost a round, never bruised, never bled, dominant in every fight.
Easily could’ve finished Justin in 1.
Never had a single knockout and only 3 title defences.
Chael Sonnen is the greatest Lightweight of all time
@@The_Reality_Filter Still won though
I thought you wore talking about uncle Chael.
He (Khabib) was never cut during a fight or bruised up . Never bled once in 29 fights. Thats crazy!!! Pardon my eng
Only 12 in UFC though.. if he came to UFC at a younger age less polished his record would probably be different
@@s.k7770 would be 40-0 for sure
That's cos he was such a crotch sniffer haha. Khabib had to get his opponent to the ground to finish him while olives can finish the fight anywhere. Hes def a more complete fighter. More than half of khabibs fights were out of the ufc! Charles is by far the most exciting fighter to watch for sure.
I was not comparing him to Olivera .Olivera is a beast for sure and probably a more complete fighter. Just saying, never bled once in the most brutal sport thats something dont you think. Regardless of the style .
Of his 29 fights, more than half were against Russian nobodies including a guy who was 13-13... Khabib was dominant but is the equivalent of a flash in the pan as champ
Charles is good. But Khabib is something else. Iv been watching mma for so long time i cant even remember. I honestly never seen anyone destroying fighters like Khabib did !
For me Khabib and Charles are on the same level. Both born in tough places. Both fought their way out of obstacles set up by life. One who has never lost, never bled, never in danger. One has been through all that and BECAME invincible. They are like demigod half-brothers straight out of a mythology
When Charles fights you hope no one knocks him down. When Khabib fought the only thing I worried about is hoping he doesn’t get cut and bleed
Lol Khabib is overrated as f*ck 😝🤣
Charles is most dangerous off his back. Not sure wtf you are talking about but Charles getting knocked down is the reason he won like 40 % of his fights. Or should I say.. people can't follow Oliveira to the ground after they hurt him so he has freedom to let his hands go. I'd bet money on Oliveira if they fought but it would be dummy close I think
@@benschmidt5480 Charles got smashed by Felder off his back
😂 Charles is more dangerous on floor pal
@@truthseeker96 yea ....then went on a 11 win streak
Hands down Khabib is the Greatest!! He never received any damage…ever! Never lost a round. Why are you comparing these two men?
He lost to gleison though
He lost one to two to Conor. Let’s not overreact
@@ice4659 when?? 29-0 is his resume ??
lost??
casuals...3x judges gave him unanimous win..
@@KaleFGB 3rd round khabib was toying with him...
Oliveira overall better fighter..khabib more dominant vs strikers
It has to be Khabib. He made amazing fighters look like they did not belong in the octagon. Never got clipped, never got cut, and he has more 10-8 rounds than anyone else. If you lose to Cowboy you are never allowed to be the GOAT
I lol'ed at your last line.
I can tell how long you've been a fan by how you talk about Cowboy. Tibau beat Khabib. I know what the judges said, and I also know you know at least a half a dozen bad decisions since you've been watching. Michael Johnson clipped him in their fight.
@@runronnierun7213 Tibau stopped Khabibs takedowns, but did nothing else. Khabib had octagon control and initiative. Tibau was reacting the whole fight, did not initiate anything
@@egorsincere4379 Thank you for saying it… Tibau wasn’t initiating any action at all in the fight. You also don’t score any points with takedown defense. Khabib won to me.
A man who’s been finished vs a man who’s hasn’t been cut.
Well their resume is way different and Oliveira is exciting and looks for a firefight, but Khabib dives on legs and suffocates with top pressure. Hard to get hurt or cut, while on top of people. Especially with his cardio. Also Oliveira was very young when he got to the UFC and it's about lightweight resume. Didn't he only get finished by Felder?
@@burekskremicem Oliveira is dangerous and exciting to watch no doubt, he’s been finished 7 times including times where he has verbally tapped/quit. He may not be a quitter now but he’s quit multiple times in the past and he’ll have to live with that.
@@thedauntlessone.7335 The topic at hand is lightweight category. He was killing himself to make it to the featherweight limit and he was super young. If Khabib didn't rack up his score in some mountain organizations fighting farmers and retired bus drivers, he wouldn't be undefeated.
@@burekskremicem I don’t think you know who Khabib fought before UFC. He’s a 2 time Sambo world champion fighting the toughest Russians in that part of the region that would make Oliveira squeal like a little girl. He was the 1st Russian to be signed by the UFC then decimated 13 opponents in the hardest division like they were nothing. The man who quit vs the man who never bled.
@@thedauntlessone.7335 I get that it's empowering rooting for someone who's undefeated and retired on top, but you still have to be realistic. If you are not a brainless dick rider, just go to Sherdog and see his opponents before he joined UFC. It's funny af. You wouldn't be able to name 1 without googling the names.
Nobody is combat sports has more 10-8 rounds than khabib. Never bled, never cut, never dropped. Hardly lost a round in a sport like MMA. However, if Charles beats Islam, you'd have a hard time saying Charles is not the LW GOAT. For now, I'd take khabib, hands down.
Even if he beats Islam it still won't make him the goat because Khabib can also beat Islam, Islam and Charles both make mistake although, one more than the other.
@Joao Vaz your proof? If you don't have any substantial proof then kindly stfu.
@Joao Vaz nope.. Khabib is much more impressive than islam
His IQ, Chin, wrestling, pressure no comparison
thanks micheal for info, khabib is an inspiration for generations to come.
Khabibs a role model to no body
Undoubtably Khabib, and we might never see anyone like him ever again.
Entertaining video. Really highlights the subjectivity of GOAT status. Hopefully no fighter takes "legacy" too seriously as it roughly translates to how your perceived by others. The individual fighter knows whether they had more to give or if they achieved their goals, and that personal satisfaction of knowing you did as good as you possibly could have done under your own given circumstances is hopefully enough for them.
Because you sure as hell can't control public opinion.
#1 Khabib never got drop, never bleed, never got cut, never got taken down, not even a black eye or a fat lip in the octagon!
*1 round to Conner & 1 round to Al maybe (people questions maybe he lose 2 rounds out of a 29-0 record)
#2 Jon Bone Jones never lose a fight... Lose 1 fight via DQ (illegal 12 to 6 elbows)
*Jones vs Gas, Jones vs Santos (2 full fights people can question/argue if actually won or lose)
*Jones vs DC ends up as a NC (belt was given back to DC cuz of positive PED technically Jones lose cuz cheated. It's the record books Google it!
*How many PED test do you think he got away with? 1 we know for sure he got away with on a technicality (AKA pico gram)
#3 GSP, BJ Penn, Anderson Silva, Bisping (short notice 2weeks, 1 eye), Glover (won his belt @ 42 years old), Olivera (Doctor's said he will never run or even walk again at age 7, then again lost the ability to move his legs again after the fight vs Max Holloway... ❤of a true champion for sure & his amazing Championship run/story is still being written as we speak. (he is not even done doing more amazing & impossible things yet)
But let not forget or discredit every single men & woman that ever won the UFC belt fair & square. Each & everyone of them are the elite of elites of their time even if it for that 1 night only. They all have their own amazing stories that we all should cherish, respect & not forget!
Lol. Iaquinta didn't win a round against Khabib, Khabib won a 50-43 decision... Iaquinta the week after that fight looked like he had been jumped by 10 people...
All I know is it would be an incredible fight with the two best lightweights ever. Just imagine the story for Oliveira trying to reclaim his title he never lost, and the only thing in his way is Khabib a man who never lost the title, and is chasing 30-0. Then you add the wrinkle of fighting for the best lightweight ever status for Oliveira, and how if Khabib won it could possible make him the greatest fighter ever. Then you get those UFC hype packages to build everything, just take my money lol.
You are absolutely correct KHABIB Never QUIT, NEVER got KOed or Submitted by any Opponent KHABIB NEVER LOST any MMA fight in UFC History what else is there to say about the Legend
You got me so hyped,bro, stop it...
@@psk9664 khabib quit whilst cutting weight for the Tony fight
@@stktriz Is that all you have to hang on to 🤣
Shows how how great he is
@@EE-kt8sh really how, who's he beat Conor and Dustin where feather weight strikers
It's Khabib. Never dropped, never cut, never lost, 13 fight winstreak.
Charles 11 win streak , 2 wins short of khabibs streaks .... 11 in 4 years. Khabib 13 in his whole ufc career.
I just find it crazy that khabib hasn’t lost a round compared to the other goats in the UFC, who went through tough questionable fights, this man has never been through a tough fight throughout his 29 victories he’s truly the greatest of all time !
he got a questionable win against tibau and u say he never been through a tough fight
@@matheuscastelhano3442 true but the most impressive thing about him were his last few fights and how flawless they were against the best
@@matheuscastelhano3442 hows it questionable when all 3 judges unanimously gave him all 3 rounds. It wasnt a split decision
@@legolassonofthranduir33254 agreed
@@Redery001 since when ufc judges are a source of truth?
Khabib without a doubt. Nearly ever fight flawless, pure dominance and the most 10-8 rounds ever.
Fighting is not about being "flawless" it's fighting and people have different fighting styles. Jon Jones is the goat and he have been through wars, it all depends on fighting styles. It's about who you beat and how many. Khabib fought bums up to 22 fights or something, and he didn't defend his title many times. The fans dickriding Khabib so much about how he never bled, since when did that give you "goat" point? So Max Holloway is not the fw goat then? Like stop it. Don't make up reasons to make your case, WHO DID HE BEAT? AND HOW MANY TITLE DEFENCES?
Lowkey a weight bully would this be the same story if he fought at 170?
@@june17yt Charles has missed weight 6 times in the ufc. Not trying to suck off khabib by saying that, im a fan of both and think they were both great at what they did
I absolutely love Bisping’s conversations
Well, like khabib says:
"Yesterday, it was Khabib time.
Today, it's Charles time."
A humbled champion
Who NEVER lost
Never bled
Was never visibly hurt inside the octagon
Something in a sport as unpredictable as mma
That speaks for itself
Love Charles but the eagle is king
Took a left hook and upper cut from gaethje like it was nothing
Olives gonna surpass khabib’s legacy in less than 2 years lol
@@AP-tr1et not happening. Islam will stop him
Gaybib doesn't trade on legs how he is supposed to get cut or bleed? 95% of the time is him laying on his opponents.
@@vatossureno Lol keep dreaming Islam goes for a takedown an his neck is getting wrangled
@@AP-tr1et he can't pass khabib, he has 3 losses. you can't undo losses by winning your next fights.
Imagine fighting 29 fight and never ever you get dropped once!!! GOAT
he was dropped in the last fight, he turned that drop into a win. Actually, he get's taken down a lot. I am amazed that he came this far. Looks to me like he gets lucky a lot of the time (expression due to calling it skill alone is also wrong)
never heard of 20 of them.
@@Ludak021 Wake up man lol....
You are absolutely correct KHABIB Never QUIT, NEVER got KOed or Submitted by any Opponent KHABIB NEVER LOST any MMA fight in UFC History what else is there to say about the Legend
29 fight and 20 odd fights against bums
Why are we not acknowledging out great the thumbnail is? Someone needs a raise!
The goat status must be different then others..
I believe it's hard to find fighter like khabib..
Very inteligent as fighter that's why he never lost,never drop or bleed in high competition and very tough division..
He has a good record.. 21 takedown in one fight.. the biggest fight in UFC history with connor and undefeated and always dominan..
Khabib have more highlights and make more a new people interested about UFC and about him inside the cage or outside the cage..
Humble guy and good role model for young generation..
I pick khabib for the goat status..
But charles have a great story too.. he can be example for people have been lost and comeback become better and go on the top..
Right now is charles time.. he is the champion and great fighter.. he will become the legend on this sport same like tony ferguson and i believe they both become hall of fame UFC too..
Charles has the most submissions and finishes in ufc history , he also needs just 5 fights to tie Anderson Silvas record for win streak he also has the most bonuses in ufc history and on top of that he’s already 40 fights in and Donald cerrone has the most all time with almost 50 , and Charles will have more by the time he retires so he will be 1st in the record books for a lot of things as for khabib he was already 16-0 when he came into the ufc and didn’t fight ranked opponents until he was 25-0 and then retired after he was champ not that long . I know he’s never bleed in a fight and arguable never lost a round but it’s hard for me to say he’s the goat
@@papadiamond5925in the future people around the world gonna more remember khabib and conor the most icon all the sport from the UFC..
You know in the past rusian fighter not easy to get sign from UFC.. that's why khabib its late to come UFC and after he come UFC he get injury for 2 years and comeback become undefeated again..
Khabib has special skill,record,hype and personality that's why UFC more interested with khabib then other fighters..they make the biggest fight in the UFC history..
The fact is khabib record more different and unmacthed then oliviera.. even he retired he still active for help young generation and build own his promotion for MMA fighters..khabib is like Muhammad ali in the modern era..i mean i didn't say khabib same level with muhammad ali..
oliviera still active as a fighter..we don't know what's gonna happen in the next fight for charles..
whatever it is you can't deny the fact that I said..
@@cahyoaditya9571 I mean it’s all perspective at the end of the day , I’m not disagreeing with you khabib was an icon and did a lot for this sport but I view Charles as the best lightweight of all time because statistics don’t lie. when he’s all said and done he will be first in most of everything and he started fighting in the ufc at 19 years old so of course he was going to lose a couple and he was fighting at a different weight class . There both completely different and legends in there own aspect
@@papadiamond5925 you said khabib didn't fight ranked opponents until he was 25-0?
Come on..
RDA,MJ and edson they both was top 5 ranked.. when he was ready not injured he call everybody..
Khabib more early called Nate Diaz Conor and Alvares to fight them all on the same night. Meanwhile, Charles right now just calls Nate and Conor when they both it's not prime time. Lol
@@papadiamond5925 your argument from yourself not a data or the fact..
never bleed, never dropped, only wins.....GOAT
Never bleed, never dropped, only wins…
Yeah it’s okay for a guy who’s a natural 190 pounder. I mean he took more time to beat the same opponents as Charles while packing 50 more pounds but that’s quite alright…
He’s not an mma savant pound for pound like Charles so we shouldn’t hold that against Khabib
Never bleed never dropped because he never strike with strikers ...used his wrestling and grappling and he never fought any high level grappler
@@SumitJoshi121 true. But also never fought at his natural weight class of 170
You are absolutely correct just imagine in 29 fights KHABIB Never got DROPPED HE NEVER QUIT, NEVER got KOed or Submitted by any Opponent KHABIB NEVER LOST any MMA fight in UFC History what else is there to say about the Legend
Olivera takes too much damage. Only a matter of time until that chin fails. Khabib would've even too strong and too well aware of the threat posed by charles.. I believe Khabib would've SMESHED him.
This is the best reply, yes oliveras defense is poor and we see it almost every fight. Amazing offensive fighter terrible defensive fighter.
You gotta respect olivera for all the wars he been through. All the ups and the downs just motivate him to get better
As good as your chin, one day it will disappear. Every fight Charles gets rocked and bled.
😅😅😅😅 even after charles taking damage win take win in first round
Except he wudnt he would have no advantage on ground and wud be outstruck bad khabib ran off with his tail tucked an made sure he kept his win streak lmao its like a loss is the end of the world i wanted to see khabib fight until he lost he fucked up the division and now he talks nonsense on Twitter charles is the man il stick with him🤙
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… enjoying your channel…and great topics….and your insight is very incisive
So many valid points. I also think as a huge Khabib fan it wasn't just his resume or title defenses of why I have him as the goat, similar to Muhammad Ali, its how he behaved, how he led, never bled, never got knocked down, always did things his way, never needed the antics to sell fights or cause problems, was always loyal to his team, beat Conor and literally went after the whole team who disrespected him, got suspended and left the money unless the UFC allowed his friends/brothers to continue to fight as well, his admiration for his parents, his religion, he truly was an anomaly. Everything he said he wanted to do, he did. He said he would smash people, he did. he said he would make people tap and talk to them in the octagon, he did. And is the only fighter to be so respected by his peers and kids actually look up to him as a role model. A true Goat
💯💯
Khabib is a calculated, insecure child who used his father’s death to excuse himself and run away from Oliveira.
Enough said
You know how that McGregor vs Khabib drama started, right?
Khabib used to round up his crew and bully whoever he felt like bullying. And you have numerous cases of that
He's a brilliant fighter, sure, but he's not that good guy you make him to be. Charles on the other hand is/was allways humble, either in victory or defeat. Never had drama with any fighter even
The point you're trying to make applies more to Charles than to Khabib
@@poliolipi you really think that he would not approch artum alone? His squad is always with him because they are a team… you talking bullshit
Imo if charles gets a few more title defences he is the LW goat
Fr but they’ll say “he’s 29-0” vs a bunch of scrubs other than Porier and Gaethje lol
@@june17yt khabib is 0-0 against his natural weight class at 170
@@june17yt here is the typical casual comment about Khabib lmao Charles would get mauled . He has shit defence and laying on the floor against Khabib would be a big mistake ..
@@robknight1473 haha we’ll see when Charles faces Islam, if Islam gets finished in 2 or 3, you cannot deny Charles as the Lw goat and ik that scares you
@@june17yt Islam is not khabib kiddo .
They are 2 different fighers .
YES everyone sleeping on BJ Penn! Thank you for mentioning him!
I’d say Khabib 1, Charles 2 but could be 1 with a couple more wins!
BJ Penn is right there and I was a fan of BJ back in the day
I think we will find out how well Charles would do against Khabib when Charles fights Makhachev, but right now Charles is trying to avoid the Makhachev fight like the plaque, as most believe its not going to end well for Charles.
@@mkrmmd1162 Other than his grappling n wrestling. IMO Makhachev striking especially kicks are pretty good, maybe better than Khabib.
HOW is Khabib 1 and Charles 2??
@@jessicaj8564 khabib is undefeated lol. Also more defenses. Also more dominant. Also more consistent throughout his career. Also never had to change weight classes due to weight issues. Just a few reasons 😂😂😂
@@jesisghimire7216 Khabib is 13-0 in the UFC the rest is padded in Russia, Oliveira is on an 11 fight winstreak and has exposed Khabibs 2 best wins in less time. Khabib made his name against strikers and has been a favourite in every fight since RDA because of that. This nonsense about not having "weight issues" is hilarious considering he's notoriously one of the biggest weight bullies in UFC history. Oliveira made 145 for most of his career, no way Khabib would ever make 145.
Loving the new side setup 👍
Khabib was never cut...wow
Why do people keep pointing that out, you could flick Diaz and he would bleed to death and yet Anderson silva would look fine after every fight, he's got good skin and he never strikes so obviously he won't get cut
@@stktriz But unmarked? after 29 mma fights? barely lost a round, record control time. Even Anderson got smashed up a few times, so did jon jones. Even freak khamzat got touched up by burns, sooo, yeah, it IS remarkable...
If somebody comes to you and say '' I've beaten all my opponents''. You can't ask him to do more than that. There is no more than that.
Said perfectly
only connor dick riders are crying telling Charles is better lol cause 6 oktober still burns💀
@@farzamkarimi2362 well if he comes out like getting out of a blender, compared to being spotless, doesn't it make a difference?
@@B0uff0s All that does is buttress his point 😂. He said that in reference to Khabib’s undefeated record
You are absolutely correct KHABIB Never QUIT, NEVER got KOed or Submitted by any Opponent KHABIB NEVER LOST any MMA fight in UFC History what else is there to say about the Legend
Bisping if you see this make more videos like this please! You’re becoming one of my favorite mma channels on CZcams
Never lost a fight.
Never lost a round (almost).
Never bled.
Never taken down.
Never got dominated.
Yet still a boring fighter
And ran from Olivera and makhachev
Honestly speaking, we have to deep the fact khabib has never been cut let alone dropped in the ufc. He could’ve defended the belt against Charles easily due to the fact Charles had many flaws in his game. Not taking anything away from the current champ but his a few levels below khabib. There’s no conversation here tbh.
True
I don't think it's much of a debate. Charles got rocked in all 3 of his last fights. He guts out wins, unlike Khabib who made it look easy.
Fuckn casual, Khabib can't trade blows.
This is the fight to make !
Bisping you just have to know that you are the best, we love you and we hope only the very best Bro
But did Olivera ever bleed? And how many rounds has he lost?
thats not what makes the best lightweight, you can say khabib is the most dominant but hes far from the best resume
@@tylerberman7527 Dominance is best measure of greatness. Resume wise: Justin & DP are common opponents. Prime RDA, Conor, Barbosa are better than declining Tony & Chandler.
@@truthseeker96 Khabib is the most boring fighter thay ever fought in the ufc... all he does is lay on top of his opponent for 5 rounds to gass them out. He fought 20 dagastanis. Yea i could get a great record like that aswel. Only 9 wins in the ufc with half of those were nobodys... he only fought 4 maby 5 elite fighters. Yea real goat material. NOT..
@@tylerberman7527 oliveira damn near gets KO’d in every fight he’s had. Islam will smesh him.
@@truthseeker96 because we never saw khabib go through true adversity, those battles where you do bleed, where you go back and forth where you come back from being hurt, those are the type of fights that we remember. khabib had 3 title defenses, and most of his record wasn't even in the ufc, so it's like not as impressive as people like to say, I've done the research, and khabib doesn't have the most 10-8s in combat sports, he hasn't had enough fights to have that record. the praise khabib gets is deserved but he retired too early to be considered in the goat convo.
You tell me, on one hand you have a guy who lost 2 controversial rounds throught his entire career and another who lost 8 fights, how can you even compare the two?
You cannot be the GOAT with 0 knockouts on your record...
Because one guy was fighting killers in ufc at 20 while the other was stat padding in russia against people with 1 win and 10 losses record. Charles earned it the hard way.
Well maybe because some (if not most) of his losses are when he was at 145 and this video is about who is the UFC 155 goat
Oliveira losses were all from missing weight and cutting weight at featherweight…
Meanwhile ur boy ducked his natural weight division.
“But khabib never bled 29-0” says the fcuking idiot. Yeah no shyt. 155 pounders aren’t gonna cut a 180 pounder
Mainly bc most Charles losses came at 145lbs, but also the fact that Charles would beat Khabib I think. Khabib couldn't utilize his usual gameplan with Charles or he prob would've gotten subbed, and on the feet Charles is 10x better. I'm def not saying Khabib couldn't win, but it would be by far the toughest fight he ever had and I personally think Charles is just too dangerous everywhere. Dudes on a level higher than anything we've ever seen at 155lbs
Quality over quantity ... Khabib's fights are different .. Bear mauling ! No one ever do it like that until now 🦅🐻
Michael you to is a goat cause of your honesty and your heart
All respect to Charles for being the champ. Taking some massive shots during fights and fantastically turning them around to spectacular finishes. Khabib took no damage from the same fighters. Finished each fight with relative ease. Charles and Khabib are better than the rest but Khabib is in a league of his own.
realtalk.
I love oliveira and his style,
but khabib takes this any time of the day
Justins leg kicks where staring to affect khabib
Finished each fight with relative ease, Oliveira has more finishes in UFC than Khabib has fights.
@@stktriz dont forget khabib has broken toe during the fight
Khabib is similar to Floyd while Oliveira is similar to Paq...
I THINK recent biasedness is coming into play slightly... Charles ofcourse looks unstoppable right now.. he's the man no question. But if this is a year and half ago and khabib is at the top where he was, then it wouldn't even be a question who is number 1 in my opinion. The main thing for me that makes khabib number 1 is the fact like Michael said, he was unbeaten, he didn't lose a round, and also.. he didn't get dropped once, didn't shed a drop of blood, didn't get a scratch. From anyone.. in mma this Is unheard of fullstop. 🐐
Bro Charles looks unstoppable but still very stoppable considering he’s been knocked down and bled in round one of his past three fights. He’s got razor sharp focus and getting hurt only makes him sharper, so I’m a fan.
@@Sdot-od8jf agreed 100% 👍
@@Sdot-od8jf even connor can win against olives with the style he fights..I love olives but it's a fact
@@katana_3558 I think Conor has one of the best chances against Oliveira. Stylistically, I think Conor could finish Oliveira on the feet. I still favor Charles though.
love the new setup,
Mike love the background, love the setting!
Brendan Schuab is the lightweight GOAT. Great guy never meddum
100% agree . . .
Oliviera was dropped in every fight. Lost a 10-8 round to Chandler. Got dominated in the first round to Poirier. Got blood all over his face from Gaethje. Khabib looked like he took a shower at the end of every fight.
I didn’t see him get dominated by poirier. He lost the round but wasn’t dominated
Facts
@@GL.Killercod bro you just missed the point
He did exactly the same thing in every fight! Khabib didn't lose, but does that make him the greatest. Khabib would pull out of a fight at a drop of a hat and was a very inactive champ.
You must have missed oliviera destroying dustins body in the first. Dustin was gassed bad in the second
Amazing video Mr Bisping. You are the middleweight goat in my opinion without a doubt. You are also easily the most courageous and daring fighter ever, to still fight with literally one eye. That's literally some superhuman type stuff, absolute badass.
What a thumbnail mike letsgo!
Khabib is the goat. Undefeated and undisputed. Great topic.
Khabib will go down in history that he never fights oliveira and also he is a natural 170.. Khabib shows to the world that he lived the life of a man, but if tats true, he needs to fight oliveira
@@tribetribe24 khabib is retired. He is done fighting. 29 wins kinda speaks for itself. Why would he step back in the octagon?
Khabib was never hurt
Khabib never lost a round
Khabib never had a broken bone in a fight
Khabib never got cut or bleed in a fight.
Khabib is undefeated
Oliveira can not claim any of these.
Point proved
As a khabib fan I think khabib is one of the most dominant champions in ufc although his run was short it was damn impressive what he did out there
As for Charles he has great resume has great comeback story and I hope he will be among the greatest light weights ever
We never get to see more of khabib with Charles or Tony or Chandler or many more
I hope we get to see Charles with Islam beneil or Arman tsarukyan
Light weight will always be the most exciting division out there
And I am glad there is a guy who dominates every one in there
Yep I hope we get to see Charles vs Beniel for the light weight championship match
@@amx1820 same brother Islam vs beneil it's a good fight but if beneil loses it will be a tough position for him .he doesn't get recognition as for Islam he has hype behind him
Dustin, justin fought for the title twice and lost ,Chandler had one chances too
Beneil and Islam should get their chance too unlike others they have winning streaks for them they both deserve it rather than fighting each other
@@H2SAINTS yeps, but the problem with Islam is that he hasn't fought any top tier fighter yet, and also, Beniel, his top win is with a declining Tony. So Islam vs Beniel for #1 contenders match really make sense
@@amx1820 that's true but top five were busy fighting each other and then for title
Islam and beneil couldn't find anyone to fight them so they fought anyone that was out put before them now they are in top five so
Charles is dominating in his wins and shouldn't fight same fighters when lightweight is full of talents
@@amx1820 either Islam vs Porier, Justin, Chandler , Darius
Great thumbnail/video picture, great work there 👍
you can't compare...khabib is levels above
Charles is on track te become the best ever. It's not about having a perfect record. It's about becoming the ultimate fighter. You don't have to be that at the start. But how good will you be at your peak. Both amazing fighters. But I feel Charles is more all-round.
Couldn't disagree more. Khabib was completely flawless, he hardly lost around, never got touched never got cut never got dropped. The guy was untouchable I wish we could see Charles fight him
@@jacobmcdermott55 fought cans that his dad fixed for him 😂
@@beastmarcos54 who tf hasn’t fought cans at the start
@@beastmarcos54 Why did you like ur own comment lmao
The present Charles is a god as a striker and wrestler.
Khabib
>More Dominant (won every round/fight and took no damage)
>Better chin
>Better grappler
>Fought better competition
Charles
>Better striker
>Better submission artist
Who’s more dangerous, though? That’s a tough call. Charles doesn’t just have better striking, it’s MUCH better. His muy thai is SCARY. And the way he jumps on people and submits them is scary. It’s not as simple as what you’ve listed. Charles takes damage but he finishes guys in 1-2 rounds.
@@daruckus85 Khabib walked through Justin Gaethje. He's not getting rocked by Charles Oliveira lol
I can see Charles getting lucky and submitting Khabib on the ground after being controlled for a few rounds, but it's unlikely
@@btecndcomp it’s funny you say he “walked” through him when we all saw him eat a ton of leg kicks. A few more and Khabib wouldn’t have been able to walk. Khabib also almost got caught in a sub by Poirier. He is the most flawless LW fighter ever but I stand by my earlier statement.
@@daruckus85 Nothing you said is wrong. It still doesn't change the fact that Charles can't hurt Khabib on his feet and will get controlled on the ground
@@btecndcomp I respect both fighters and your opinion. Def looking forward to Islam vs Charles (if it happens) and wishing Khabib would fight Charles.
100% agreed Michael.
Couldn't have said it better.
Love the new video thumbnail champ.
None of Charles’ recent wins have been as decisive as everyone says, even against Dustin he and a little trouble in round 1. He nearly lost to chandler and got nearly gets knocked out in every fight. Clearly the best 155er right now, but not on Khabibs level
@Simulatedreality how is a guy who never lost a round not in the goat conversation with NO STEROIDS
@@joeyz6415 he’s definitely in the conversation but the guy came into the ufc 16-0 and didn’t fight a ranked opponent until he was 25-0 and when he was on top didn’t reign for that long so it’s hard for me to put him over someone who has the most submissions and finishes in ufc history and most performance bonuses in ufc history and also needs 5 more fights to tie Anderson Silva’s longest win streak of all time and he needs like less then 10 fights to break Donald cerrones record for most fights all time so when it’s all said and done Charles will be 1st in alot of things. So with that being said I got Charles
@@papadiamond5925 not mad at it I just see Khabib as the most dominant fighter of all time when he ran through Dustin Conor and Justin like that. it proves alot it’s hard for me to see it going any different if he fought Charles
@@joeyz6415 there both considered the most deadly on the ground for different reasons , so it would of been interesting for sure
@@papadiamond5925 so RDA wasn’t ranked when he fought khabib was he? 🤡 it’s crazy how much confidence you lot talk nonsense with
But to assess who GLOAT is, we must only take into account the fights made within the lightweight division. Khabib is 29-0 but 11 of his 29 fights have been at welterweight. If we take Khabib's only lightweight fights into account, he's 18-0 being 13-0 in the UFC. Charles is 22-3 being 14-3 in the UFC, Khabib had to beat MJ and Edson to get the TS while Charles beat Kevin Lee and Tony, as champion they faced similar competition, Charles joins the GLOAT conversation with Khabib today.
you are a class act.
I like u bisping... Pure honest man
Pretty hard to argue with undefeated. Charles has a great comeback story, but you can’t argue with Khabib’s career
There's literally hundreds of undefeated pro fighters (mainly boxers) who we've never heard of, and never will. Let's be honest, Khabib's early career is HEAVILY padded. He won the title from Iaquinta for fuck's sake, who absolutely sucks!
Everyone looks at that 29-0 but, in reality it is more like 13-0. Over half the fights from organizations we've never heard of.
@@SHOTTuINdFACE regardless, everyone that was supposed to beat him, got dominated
@@10pmmemes88 ok, but everyone they pumped up as “the guy that can beat him” got dominated
@@DoubleTap702 This narrative is just silly. No-one was "supposed to beat him" since his fight with RDA lol. Khabib was an overwhelming favourite in every fight since then. He fought strikers that were terrified of his takedowns. His next step would be to fight the up and coming grapplers at lightweight or move up to 170. He knows that would be incredibly risky and his wrestling would look average. Smart business decision was to retire.
The thing about Charles' losses are that most of them were at 145. If we're talking about the 155 GOAT, we should consider only their matches at 155. Charles is 23-3, and Khabib is 18-0. Lot closer than people imagine, as of now I think it's still Khabib due to more title defences, but I feel Charles will overtake him soon.
Facts but khabib fan boys won’t give Charles the props, like they think he’s the goat of the ufc over Jon Jones
Never looked at it that way before! SOLID point!
Im pretty sure chalres only lost once in LW
@@gamingkingdom1146 lost to Cerrone and Miller when he was very young, barely 21, and then to Paul Felder, which was his last loss till date.
@@gamingkingdom1146 he started at lw, lost a coulle times, dropped to fw lost more, then went back up, lost once. After that a switch got flipped and he became better than everyone
Khabib never got challenged by anyone at all. It's really sad that we all couldn't see his true potential. He probably showed us just 40% to 50% of who he is and what he can do.
Great arguments champ!
For me the goat argument always comes down to perfection as a fighter. The fighter that presents a style tht can dominate every other style without question. That is Khabib. Idc who you put him up against his style is flawless. He goes in, puts immense pressure on his opponent, takes them down and smashes their face in until they give up an easy submission. Olivera is one of the greats without a doubt, but his style is not nearly as dominant or flawless as the eagle.
Hasan speaking the truth!
Yeah but that professional record is padded with bunch of wins outside ufc. Khabib fought 9 or 10 times in like 7 years.
Charles loses way early when he was hella young, undersized in a weight class probably not good for him
Charles is finishing people in 1 , 2 rounds in these hard championship fights
Charles is better
@@BodyByRich Watch some of Khabib's early fights before the UFC. Headbutts were legal. Those fights were brutal.
@@BodyByRich Undersized in a weight class not good for him you say? 5 misses on the scale might say otherwise.
Charles is an example of a man that never allowed himself to be mentally defeated and legitimately grew with every loss. That's a characteristic of a true champion
Teddy Atlas take on Mike Tyson is that Mike is 0-6, he never faced adversity and overcame it, every time he was truly struggling he lost. Overcoming failure and serious difficulty is the hallmark of a true fighter and champion.
@Calvin de Vries It also doesn’t help that he was sent to prison by a clout chaser and he had a falling out with his trainer. There’s a reason why people say “Prime Mike Tyson” even though it was during his younger years. Pretty much everyone knows that the rape accuser was a liar and thats why no media person talks about it.
@@bobdog6760 For sure
@@calvindevries I mean Tyson after the first 3 years of Pro-Boxing where he chewed through everyone stopped caring about boxing and just wanted to party, he didn't really care about overcoming, he achieved everything he wanted already and went downhill fast, I think if he wanted to overcome those things he definitely could have.
@@Ar1AnX1x Perhaps. He definitely faced a lot of opposition, I just don't think that quantifies it if he was just that an overwhelming force. He had basically walked through his opposition. He hadn't been mentally broken. He is more of a champion mentally now at 55, than he was while pro. The guy has an impressive perspective on life now.
This video is on point
these questions have answers we will never know for