Struggling To Sell EVs: Getting Inside The Consumer's Head - AAH 696
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- Elizabeth Krear runs J.D. Power's EV practice. She knows what automakers need to do to get more customers interested in getting an EV. And she knows which automakers are doing a better job than others. Prior to joining Power, Elizabeth ran the Jeep Grand Wagoneer program and was chief engineer for the Jeep Wrangler and Gladiator.
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- Elizabeth Krear, VP of the EV practice at J.D. Power
- Jeff Gilbert, WWJ Newsradio 950
- Gary Vasilash, shinymetalboxes.net
- John McElroy, Autoline.tv
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A big part of the problem is dealerships actively talking people out of EVs
That's not a problem, it's a favor
@@rotaryenginepete -- to legacy auto.
@@gnoxycat and people who actually care about the environment
Exactly. There is no back end profit with EVs because they don't need the same level of repair and maintenance as ICE vehicle do. Dealerships make virtually all their money on repairs and service, not on selling new cars and trucks.
@@mikedx2706 IDK about that. I know it's theoretically true but a lot of people I know have had a small mint in warranty repairs
Please bring Elizabeth Krear back again! Terrific insights across the whole industry, and really excellent knowledge. I learnt a lot. Great broadcast.
She declined to answer a few questions because they were not related to her specific area of research. She does not have a broad view of all the stats on EVs
Ms. Krear is spot on about the joy of never needing to go to a gas station.
I enjoy going to the gas station. I love the smell of gasoline, and buying drinks.
@@1FiftyOverland ironically gas is also cheaper than dcfc rates
@@rotaryenginepetedepends where. And yea, we've been aggressively bringing down the price of gas lately as much as possible.
But that is why most ev charging happens off a slow charger. Cars spend 95%+ of their lives parked. If that's not at home, it could be near a wall outlet at work or in a parking lot - might even be free. Beyond that, we need more level 2 charging in the US than more fast chargers. They would fit great in work parking lots, malls, and apartment complexes all over the country.
@@Cyrribrae according to the EIA the US national average price of gas went above $3/gal in 2021 and over the last year it has been going up...not down. Also, who's "we" lol?
@@rotaryenginepete Depends... in CA, with both high gas AND electric/DCFC rates, EV home/worst supercharging is still 10-15c/mi (34-50c/kwh), vs gas 15-32c/mi (30-17mpg, $4.50-5.50/gal.)
My roadtrips have been 30-50% cheaper than gas, and much more enjoyable... and my home charging is FREE as I have paid-off rooftop solar.
Other states may vary dep on gas/charger prices, and non-Tesla DCFC
Great guest. She knows her stuff
She was great to work with at FCA!
I will never purchase a new car again from a traditional dealership. Traditional dealerships are the problem with EV adoption.
Eh, people say that then give their money to online ordering where they are getting hit with record high markups from the factory because there isn't a dealer network to play off of. I hate stealerships for a reason but it just takes a bit of negotiating and willingness to walk down the street to the next guy to actually get a good price. Save up for your next car with a solid investment vehicle instead of paying interest or lease payments so you have a chance to make a strong cash offer. An hour or so of work negotiating will save you thousands. This and dealer websites have manager specials, or you can just email a manager with offers. Nothing pisses off the sales staff more than walking in and just needing to sign the papers.
The only car you should get with a car note is your first one. For me it was my second, after I finished paying that one off I just took the cash I would otherwise had spent on a car every month and saved it in an online high interest account, or high dividend index following ETF (I do a combo of both now), so it is essentially a reverse car loan, where the bank (and market) is paying me to use my money instead of the other way around. You will be surprised how liberating it is to sign over a check instead of a bunch of lease/loan paperwork, also the finance department takes it like a dagger! Never mention paying for the car in full with cash until the price is set, just use the cash to claim a large down payment then in the end say you will just write a check for the car, I made that mistake, once!
Then use all the thousands you saved to invest in the next car or treat yourself to a nice vacation or something. It's not all that hard really, just a skill to develop.
@@anydaynow01 Dealing with Tesla was great. $250.00 deposit held the car. Final price delivery charge air tax and taxes all laid out in a simple text message. Model Y like all tesla's have three or four options, the cars are very spartan. No up-selling, no pressure, all online there is no wheeling and dealing.
No talk of the value of OTAs, no talk of vertically integrated software. These things are paramount to the quality of current and future vehicles. No company will be able to compete if they can’t accomplish these two very difficult things.
And no talk of FSD. Tesla dominates.
There's no need to compete on the government titty
No need to compete when your business thrives on govt welfare
@@rotaryenginepete Those oil subsides have been flowing for 100 years, $Trillions, and will never stop.
@@gnoxycat I'm not sure you comprehend the term subsidy. The OEM's pay carbon credits, tax credits to EV companies, on top of the gov't EV sales and manufacturing subsidies.
We have owned or leased many ICE vehicles over the last 35+ years but nothing compares to the tranquility of an BEV. Drive one and you will realize what you have been missing.
I drove one for years and went back to ICE. I look for utility in a vehicle, not tranquility.
You can never go back. The sound of an engine is quaint, but its not the sound of performance, or efficacy.
@@rotaryenginepete You must have put playing cars on your bicycle wheels to make noise because mommy didn't give you enough attention.
@@gnoxycat cope harder
@@gnoxycat over 25% of EV drivers go back to ICE, that's a proven fact in multiple studies
Oem’s aren’t struggling to sell, they are actively trying to dissuade people to buy them as they not only lose a ton of money with each sale, but also a ton of money on the back end with no service. It’s not that hard people.
BINGO! If they wanted to sell a lot of EV"s they would have launched affordable BYD busters ASAP...
I’ve been saying that for years to anybody who would listen. The whole model that legacy USA OEMs use, outsourcing, distributed computing, dealerships etc make emulating Tesla impossible. Too many people on that gravy train who have an interest in making EVs fail. However, the Chinese don’t have a century of entrenched bureaucracy to deal with. If allowed to enter the US market they will finish off what the Japanese started.
100% spot on! I have been making videos on my CZcams channel discussing this. They have zero interest in selling EVs.
Agree with all of that, plus OEMs started by converting ICE platforms (compromised results), looked to sell very expensive cars (to hide their elevated manufacturing costs) and looked to fleece their customers by watching dealers shaft buyers at every opportunity. The electrification of transport is unstoppable, ICE vehicles pollute the air we breath and is based on depleting resources that will cost more and more while EVs are dependent on primary energy that’s a technology and that’s all coming down in price as innovation persists. I’ve owned 19 BMWs and the one was a V8 740 sport. I loved it, but we all need to move on. I now own an i3S for £16k and love it. My daughter is about to buy 2021 Audi Etron 55 for £25k. Depreciation is the savvy buyers friend. Goodbye ICE, long live EVs
@@fwc3535 Yep exactly, as long as they have the UAW the Big two will never be able to compete in getting the best profit margin. Their biggest loss with the UAW negotiations is when the union got its tendrils into the battery and EV factories with "minimum labor requirements". Optimus will make the ultimate scab, it may not happen next year or even by the end of the decade, but eventually they are out of a job, AI and robotics are just too good. There are entire auto factories in China where a skeleton crew of humans are just involved in unloading raw materials, robot maintenance, and again in the quality control inspections AI can't do, yet.
Fantastic show! If I needed consumer data I’d hire Elizabeth in a heartbeat! Please bring her on annually for an update!
Always enjoyed working with Elizabeth at FCA/Stellantis. She is smart, down to earth and objective. I’ve owned a Tesla for 4 years now and it’s been an interesting transition to Elon’s world. It’s not perfect yet but the pluses outweigh the negatives and never going back. My factory warranty is 9/150 instead of 3/36. Plus Tesla has mobile service. Funny how older guys like John and Sandy went from negative to positive. My favorite car will always be my dad’s 59 Impala.
I have 180,000 miles on my 2013. Tesla Model S and it’s been amazing. Every day you leave your house you have a full tank of electricity. Going to gas stations is highly overrated. I’ve never been stranded. I’m still on the original battery and I still get free supercharging for life. Over 11 years 95% of my charging has been at home.
2016 110k miles, didn't do any oil changes, and didn't lose my warranty. Replaced a Lexus LS hybrid and a 911 GT3. Its better on long trips and better in the canyons. They showed me how to put the car in Ludicrous mode, it has not left it since. In the past 8 years, nothing, not even a motorcycle has taken me off the line that makes struggling noises when they pull up to me.
If you have free supercharging why would you do 95% of charging at home?
@@rjbiker66 cause it’s better for my battery to charge at home and I have solar panels so I don’t really pay to charge a home either
Stephen King still drives his ‘13 - to Sarasota from Maine❤
@@rjbiker66 if you can get free ketchup packets from McDonalds why would you go to the grocery store and buy a bottle. You never considered how convenient it is to a full "tank" every morning?
The new EV3 SUV launching in two months from Kia starts at $32k with a maximum range of 350 miles. This will be a game changer NEVI funding with chargers every 50 miles on US national highways in the next three years will also take away range anxiety.
Look for Tesla so start producing a
We will see what it really brings when it actually gets here! No AWD is a big negative for it already!
Thank goodness for Elizabeth Krear - someone who has real data and knows what she is talking about. So refreshing to hear about the experience of real EV owners and the real benefits that the market sees.
Best guest ever
If Gary ran the north American auto industry we'd still be buying cars with carburetors.
that would be awesome. people actually do still buy carbs by the millions every year
@@rotaryenginepete if you are counting push mowers sure but definitely not carbs for cars sell in the millions. I can convert my 95 f150 back to carb as the engine design originally dates back to the late 60s but almost no one would ever do that
No availability of good priced cars. Amazing guest she is so knowledgeable about the facts.
I've been an EV driver for a decade, but only in the past 4 years have I been taking long (multi-state) trips. My last 2 cars had over 200 mile range. The one with less range is a much better trip car due to charging speed. I think the real sweet spot might be 400 miles or more. I say that because at highway speed the car will never get the advertised range. Forget total range, a car needs to have highway range of 225+ mile on a 30 minute charge. 75mph for 3 hours and charge for 30 minutes is very livable. I'm not there, but I'm confident that my next car with be very close to that.
I drove an EV for several years, but now I'm back to ICE again. In some cases EV are nice, but in most cases they just aren't worth all the extra hassles.
@@rotaryenginepeteextra hassles like what? Did you not do 90%+ of your charging at home?
Anyway, I think OP has it right. My sweet spot is 250 miles in 15 minutes, which I think is a little further away. Any faster than that, and I'm staying to use the bathroom and stretch and eat a meal anyway. Regardless, if you're doing a lot of road tripping, speed of charging is just so much more relevant than total range. And we're setting the limits of that continously get nudged upwards. We'll see if we can break through the glass in the next couple of years that really upends the model.
Imagine you could get 400 miles in 3 minutes, anywhere, anytime, any weather, any speed, and that will not degrade over time. Then you could stop for 30 minutes anywhere and anytime you wanted, and it's not going to be to hang out at the back of a crappy parking lot. We already have this, why go backwards?
@@Cyrribrae I did 99% of my charging at home.
@@Cyrribrae hassles like losing half my range in the winter, or the lack of a meaningful heater and having to physically de-ice the whole vehicle on a daily basis, or having to plug in daily, or how about the studies that show EV's have 80% more reliability problems than gas cars and not to mention the huge fire risk and higher insurance rates than gas cars.
The rest of the auto industry pays between 20 and $0.30 more per kilowatt hour to charge. It's a benefit to own a Tesla if you supercharge often.
Correct. The Supercharger system cost was folded into the sales price of Tesla EVs. Other brands will get charged more because they haven't contributed.
@@bobwallace9753 Yes, although like other DCFC providers, non-Tesla EVs can pay like $13/mo membership subscription and get same Tesla discounted price at superchargers. EA/EVGo prices are higher than Tesla for other EVs anyway, but they also offer discount monthly subs
Gary is Detroit's Baghdad Bob.
That’s the funniest comment ever he is definitely on the Oil companies, Payroll
Excellent guest, thank you!
Tesla Superchargers that get congested regularly are not available to other brands of EVs. Tesla has made most of their Superchargers available because most of them are not really congested and adding more vehicles can make them more cost effective.
Bingo,. Details matter.
@@jed2049
And Tesla will expand congested charger sites. That's the plan.
31:33 Ummm, two trucks on the market today? Has she really never heard of the Cybertruck??
CT will outsell R1T and F150 lightning COMBINED. In fact, i think for one month, it already has.(and you can throw in Silerado EV as weill)
@@jed2049 Once production is at full speed yes I agree. It might be FUGLY but who cares, it's unique in a world of blobby blandness... And I'd still buy one!
@@stickynorth
Cybertruck already has had a 1,000 unit week. "Ford sold 24,165 F-150 Lightning trucks in the United States in 2023," Tesla is pumping out CTs at about 2x that of Lightnings already.
And to comment on the waking up and wanting to go to Chicago, how often do people really do that? People plan trips most of the time or they can rent and save the rest of the year. Fear is the biggest problem so plug ins solve that to break the fear
As often as they want in a gas car. I don't generally plan a trip around anything other than the destination, but if I really want to make 45 minute stops along the way- they'd be at interesting places I want to visit, not hanging around the back of parking lots.
That was a dumb argument, I do day trips (10-12hrs) in my EV whenever I feel like it. Its relaxing and I would not trade it for an ICE car even if it was a Rolls.
@@gnoxycat most likely never drove one or will say you did. I’ve owned plenty of gas cars in my life, not one of them would bring me back to gas after driving EV’s. Not 1.
@@gnoxycat now we all know you're lying. you didn't do the math on that 😂😂😂
@@gnoxycat if you drive your "day trips" at 55mph, where can we get a 660 mile range EV? 😂😂😂
Mainstream media said EV buyers were environmental. EV buyers were financial. My TM3LR drives 300 miles for just $9!!! The car will last 20+years!!! The car gets OTA and has improved for free!!!
22:11 Thing is, it's the SAME thing for a BEV. They charge at the same speed as the PHEV (sometimes more, depending the PHEV). It's just that the battery is so much bigger...but you don't need to be "full". Just replace the miles you spent getting to work. You'll get that same replacement on a BEV, usually better because BEV's are more efficient at using that same amount of juice.
In LA I lived in an apartment for a couple of years only charging on 110v every night. It was fine.
1. The Tesla Nav tool and a 3rd party app called "a better route planner" makes long-trip planning with charging stops a breeze. The Tesla Nav feature will make real-time decisions on SuperCharger selection based on congestion issues to minimize the probability of having to wait. I have taken several 1000+ mile trips using the Tesla nav tool without problems.
2. Include some questions about ADAS capability among brands and customer awareness of ADAS capability. Is ADAS another customer education gap like long-trip charging?
A great guest. It was great to get more detail on how JD Power does their surveys.
Politicians polarize and politicize EV’s
And journalists lie about them to get clicks
The radio guy nailed it - how are any of these companies going to make money making and selling EV's? It has proven and will prove to be a very very difficult mountain to climb. Several will fail.
There are profitable EV companies. The radio guy is living 10 years in the past and is woefully uninformed.
@@BTC_Minarchist THANK YOU! Too many guests on here are from the pre-Vietnam War era and talk down about what consumers want yet don't represent even close to have the demographic market... This show is overwhelmingly the voice of old, white insiders in a city whose importance has dimmed SIGNIFICANTLY in 20 much less 60 years... Also why American democracy is dying... Choked by the gerontocracy... Nancy Pelosi vs AOC is a good example of most inter-generational flippancy that goes unchecked...
@@stickynorth I am not a young guy, and I have friends that are retired and older. Some are anti EV and don't get it. I ask them how many more cars they will buy in their lifetime. Usually, the answer is usually between 0 and 2. That's why it's a waste of time, focus and money to target the older generation for EV sales.
There will be some tech savvy older folks that will purchase and get it, like John. The rest are like Gary.
The younger generations are the future sales of EVs. Old folks are good target consumers for the Robotaxi and autonomous mobility services, because it will give them freedom they'd otherwise lose when they're too old to drive safely.
@@BTC_Minarchist turning a profit from government subsidies and carbon tax credits diverted from ICE manufacturers does not make an EV company profitable. Nice try though.
@@rotaryenginepete Oil subsidies need to stop and we need to add a $0.25 / gallon tax, yearly, for the next 100 years.
Do these people not realize that Tesla knows minute by minute what demand is at every Supercharger site? That Tesla is almost certainly to stay well ahead of rising demand?
Do you realize that only a week ago Elon fired the entire Supercharging division from Tesla? 🤣
@@rotaryenginepete Then handed the Supercharger duties over to the megapack division to replace all V1 and V2 superchargers to V4. Imagine that. The best auto executive doing things right.
@@gnoxycat 😂😂😂
@@gnoxycat if he was "doing things right" then he would have never needed to fire a whole division of his company
@@rotaryenginepetehe didn't fire the manufacturing team
He got rid kf the global growth team focused on places like Kazakhstan and south Korea
Eye opening. Great interview with timely info. If car makers aren't watching this...then they deserve to fail. Tesla and Ford really need to advertise to inform consumers much better than they are currently.
24:25 "I can't just wake up this morning and decide I'm going to Chicago." Sure you can, as long as your BEV is a Tesla.
There are several models that would allow you to do it!
EV public charging providers have zero marketing chops. They need to promote their locations with signage along the highways that same way gas stations do. Gas station signs are everywhere and are a huge part of the ICE driver’s lack of range anxiety. I’ve yet to see an EV charging badge on the “Food-Lodging-Fuel” signs approaching Interstate highway exits, much less on billboards. The industry doesn’t seem to comprehend the impact that just letting people know that you’re there will have on potential customers’ range fears.
This!
you could always carry a gas generator in your trunk 😂
@@rotaryenginepete I had range anxiety every week when I owned gas cars. Will it be more or less if I fill up tomorrow vs today? I have time now but maybe not later? Is the quality of the gas at the cheap station the same as the other one? Now, those problems, are for those people, and their miserable lives.
@@gnoxycat something tells us you have a lot of anxiety regardless of what you are driving 😂😂😂
Exactly. The only game in town is Tesla, and they tell their car owners online where the next charging station is located.
Great informative episode 👍
you mentioned Hertz dumping their teslas... did you consider the MILES on them? What I saw was a much higher mileage on teslas than their other cars when put out to pasture. much higher.
Driven hard, tossed away wet... as it were!
I did drive a Prius since 2008 to 2013. From 2013 until today I drive Tesla. No oil changes much less service. Charging at home and at work for free as we have solar panels on our roof. Never saved more money on a car. Driven 360.000 km lots of long road-trips all over EU since 2013 a bit tricky back then much easier today.
Don't know if Chinese manufacturers are sending their cars to test for US safety tests but they sure are doing so in Europe and coming out with top flight results. And I don't believe european tests are much different to those in the US.
I did not know this was true until I saw your comment and googled. You’re right. 2/3 of the safest cars tested by EuroNCAP last year were Chinese.
I am interested in the detailed demographic studies that she mentioned, will Autoline dive deep into this topic of discussion ?
A VW salesman was actively trying to talk me away from the EV life, this after I told him I was just dropping off the ID4 for a door seal replacement and waiting for my ride in the Mini SE for a 140 mile day trip ( in a car that's EPA rated at 110 miles). Apparently our way of life isn't possible - basically the gist I gathered from our brief conversation.....this from an active VW/Hyundai salesman....
Can't make this up.
Proctologists have job security: Earth will never run out of assholes❤
In my experience the non Tesla dcf chargers feel only 50% reliable. They are very discouraging
My grandparents really had to plan their trips. They would take the train to a city down the valley on the weekend for shopping. When roads and cars came along we would go on family picnics in the country or they would come to visit on a weekend. They would talk about the freedom and increased social activity. As a kid I didn't really understand the excitement.
Another great podcast episode keep up with great work
Look, here is the deal. I own both a wrangler PHEV and a ford lightning. the drive of my BEV lightning is FAR superior to the PHEV, although yes wranglers ride rough, but also the PHEV drivetrain is so clanky, back and forth electric drive train, then gas drivetrain back and forth.
Not to mention you still have ALL the maintainence headaches of an ICE PLUS the worries of electric issues later on with the PHEV. so double the trouble, still expensive, not a good driving experience, and you still buy GAS! PHEVs are DUMB. if your unable to have a BEV for whatever reason, fine, just get a hybrid.
Ill NEVER own another ICE. BEV all the way, my lightning has been above my expectations by all measures, and it already has 65k miles trouble free. I charge at home level 2. i'm in love.
You should have bought a RAV4 Prime instead of the Jeep. All the transitions in mine are smooth as butter.
I’ve traveled 7k miles across the east and west US and I’ve never seen a non Tesla charging at a Supercharger. Also, only V3s are open to non Teslas.
IEC vehicles are going up in price. The new EPA requirements will add to the costs. Air pollution is expensive. Heart attacks and cancer cost a lot to treat. It may take decades to kill you but it surely does..
Way more people get brain cancer from living near powerlines
Two months ago, my F150 Lightning salesman wasn't aware of the $7500 point of sale Federal incentive!
He SAID, “I don’t know.” Of course, at the dealership, salesMEN NEVER lie😂
Krear alluded to the ‘social contagion’ aspect of EV adoption. Until folks see their neighbors using an EV and can ask questions about EV ownership from folks they trust, they are uncomfortable with the change from something that already works for them. Crossing the chasm from early adopters to mainstream adoption has always been a tenuous time for new tech.
except EV's aren't a new tech. Thomas Edison built and drove EV's. They have been around since the mid-1800's. Mainstream adoption requires greater practicality and utility than the product being replaced, an advantage that EV's will inherently never have due to the laws of physics and chemistry.
@@rotaryenginepete, combustion engines are held hostage by Carnot efficiency. Thermal engines have had their day but are being displaced across the economy.
@@johnleeinslc if that was true then combustion engines would have never taken off. The truth is that it's not the engine efficiency that determines practicality, but the energy density of the fuel. Batteries are capped at 1/40th the density of liquid fuels like gas, diesel, hydrogen, or even carbon neutral synthetic fuels.
@@rotaryenginepete ICE sales peaked in the u.s in 2017 during a growing economy at that and when there where still 80 mile evs for sale. Fast forward the lowest range you can get now is 200 miles for the same price as the older 80 mile EVs. In 2025 the first 300 mile evs under $40k are entering the market.
We’re in a bit of a transition again with EVs right now. I wonder if people are waiting until EVs have the NACS ports built in.
28:11 Tesla has known this for a LONG time. They've been making BEV's w/ around 300 mi of range for years and years. Mary just copied their homework.
you nailed it.
GM has the best EVs.
development of the Bolt started long before Mary became CEO and Tesla was selling a 300 mile BEV
@@thedukeofmanville GM has the worst EV's. The Hummer is SUPER inefficient, and the Bolt was catching on fire randomly in people's garages. They have a decade of work to do to catch up to Tesla.
@@rotaryenginepete The Bolt was first sold in 2016-ish. It wasn't 300 miles. The Tesla Model 3 was first sold in 2017, it was 300 miles (and the Model S before it, in 2017, was also 300 miles).
There is an advertisement in Australia by Toyota selling Hilux Ute's, which sounds better. "Hilux in stock" or "BZ4X in stock" I think Toyota needs to come up with better brand names for their EV's
Worst. Branding. Ever. Seriously they are unpronounceable... Even if they just went with E-Series 001 it would be cooler than this dreck name!
If Toyota had any interest in BEV they would have moved the Prius brand over to EVs somehow.
58:25 I was one of those Lyriq-interested consumers that eventually went elsewhere because they had a super slow launch. TONs of commercials yet not even available to test drive at the dealer.
That is changing now! Slow roll outs are the best solution for a successful brand!
Battery longevity and replacement availability at reasonable cost is my number one concern.
Hoping solid state batteries will be proven to last over 20 years.
Elizabeth: Tesla has twice as many chargers as the rest of them and 96% reliability. That is why people prefer Tesla.
Gary: but what about the exclusivity of Tesla Superchargers being diminished by all those other brands allowed to use Tesla chargers?
BEVs evolve so fast and so does mass market consumers. Interest rates will stay high for some years ahead and will never go back to be as low as I was.
I’ve got solar panels and am planning on installing more batteries. I do not own oil wells or oil refineries. As someone who strongly thinks that oil and electricity prices will keep rising rapidly. My primary complaint about EVs and all vehicles is that vehicles are way, way oversized and way too expensive. A new truck costs more than twice what it did twenty years ago. The Chinese are going to end Ford, GM and Chrysler when they finally bring affordable EVs to the US. As for infrastructure, there are now six places where EV owners can charge in our small, rural county.
Weird that she says there were delays in the midsize then mentions the Prologue Blazer and Equinox.
Prologue and Blazer market has existed for 4 years with the Model Y and Mach E.
Equinox is a class smaller.
My car insurance from USAA was $80/month less with my brand new Lightning as compared to my four year old Tesla model Y!
Trendchasing consumers buy BEVs. Pragmatic consumers buy PHEVs. Love the use of the gascharger networks out there. About four to five times a year. 2011 Chevy Volt runs like new and no BEV offers me the value I have with an already defunct EV with Range Extender. The Volt.
You can't make people want something that isn't as convenient.... The harder they push, the less they will sell.
Every morning you wake up, you have a full tank. That is more convenient. Long trips are more relaxing and I would not trade an ICE Rolls for an EV.
@@gnoxycat long trips in an EV 😂😂😂
At the Plug in hybrid vs BEV conversation at 21:00, I can relate in the satisfaction score. I bought a Plug In Hybrid and was able to plug in at home daily, after two weeks of ownership I felt regret that I couldn’t obtain an EV. ( Affordable options were limited in 2016) After 6 months of Plug in Hybrid ownership and it was time for an oil change and my satisfaction continued to fall. I realized how hugely inconvenient it was when I had to take my car in for servicing because it would radically wreck my whole day. 6 years later I still like my Plug in, but it is just an appliance to me and I’m planning my next smart car (EV) purchase.
The Highlander loves Autoline.😊
I am waiting for the Aptera before I go electric. Nothing in the market is efficient enough for me to make the switch!
37:20) “charge at work” in rural Nova Scotia, Flo installed chargers at elementary schools. Wait till CHURCHES realize they can make charger profits…
@26:40 Almost no cars do between 300-350 at 65-75mph. But interestingly, all get much better range if we had 55 mph.
Lack of a uniform charging standard across America is a huge problem too
Tesla has a whole line up of cash cows until the competition started, they were essentially doing dealer markups from the website because Teslaphiles would pay anything for the "privilege" to have one, then once the waiting lists of early adopters dried up they had to start cutting prices to remain competitive. They also have the best tech which helps them to maintain their market share. Elon sees the future though, and knows Tesla needs another revenue stream and isn't being as aggressive with building factories in low labor cost areas since they will essentially be run by Optimus and AI, so he can locate them in low tax and electric price zones in the countries where the products will sell and save a ton on shipping and tariffs.
John Autoline Daily doesn’t work on Apple Podcasts anymore. It’s been down for over a month.
No way the average transaction price BEFORE government incentives is $35,000 for compact SUV. She said average OEM incentives were up $6,000 but the average sale price went down $15,000. Average Mach E Ioniq 5 and Model Y aren’t that cheap before incentives.
Agreed also legacy thinking ...
Have had a reservation on a Blazer ev SS for 2 years and haven't heard a word from anyone.....
Just 48 more months to go…
Plenty of RS models to choose from! The SS model is coming out a little later!
Tesla is only opening up a portion of their supercharger network to non-Tesla EVs, I think…
1/4 ✅
Problem with PHEV is you can still lose your warranty if you refuse to do oil changes. Its a complete scam.
You should be doing oil changes. Lol
You should change your oil even if the engine hasn't ran. I change the oil on my log slitter every year even tho it has a fraction of the hours that it is recommended to change
You must have nitrogen filled tires 😂😂
@@user-ew6jy9mo4r 110k miles, zero oil changes, never lost my warranty. PHEVs are nonsense, buy an EV.
Follow the recommendations in the owners manual. Is that so hard?!
Gary never talks to under 30s. He can’t imagine what THEY might want in 10 years
The Chinese Model Y Clone might be $5k cheaper but I can’t tell it where to drive me.
I have been shopping for an EV for about 2 weeks. GM and Hyundai dealership salesmen tried to talk me out of buying an EV pushing me to drive a Hybrid. Peeved me off. There is so much anti EV propaganda on social media paid for by the oil industry. Now oem auto makers are dragging their feet, interest rates are too high and the EVs are too expensive. For example, I drive a Subaru Forester-the best vehicle that I’ve ever owned, paid $25,000 in 2020 . The EV offering from Subaru is a rebadged Toyota and costs $55,000. I drove one. Nice but not even comparable to the drive and comfort of my Forester. Doesn’t quality for the Fed rebate etc. Can’t use the Tesla network currently and there is no way I’m spending over $30,000 for an EV. Peeves me off that these old school manufacturers refuse to make affordable EVs. GM ditched its only affordable EV! We are being manipulated and screwed as consumers while Europe has more affordable efficient EVs. The fix is in. One dealership said the transition to EVs won’t happen for another ten years. Pathetic
GM is bringing back the bolt in spring next year with a LFP battery and faster charging that will be cheaper than the Equinox
I’ve seen Ford cars trying to charge at Tesla superchargers more than a few times. Consumer education is definitely needed. This was before Tesla opened up their chargers to Ford.
consumer surveys with only 29-22% which means they only interviewed at dealerships lol
Lol, let us know whenever you see a “long line of F150 EVs” anywhere. Those don’t even exist at the factory.
The only places with long lines of EVs is on dealer lots
@@rotaryenginepete sure thing buddy. That’s why the Model Y is the best selling car in the world. And no dealership necessary. 🤦🏽♂️
@@richardfolden3860 the devil is in the details. Nobody buys cars anymore, so it would not be difficult for a car company to take that title. Most people buy SUV's, crossovers, vans, and trucks.
Also, Tesla has hundreds of overflow lots full of cars that nobody wants.
@@rotaryenginepete lol, do the sugar plum fairies tell you that? What section of candyland are those lots in?
I think a big mistake made by Elon was missing the opportunity to educate the buyers of new vehicles, beginning in 2018, so they understood the major advantages offered by BEVs.
One feature of the car market. Older people and non commuters. Buying an EV if you do less than 5000 miles a year likely is a poor decision. Best case for EV is a long distance commuter with free charging at work and low cost charging at home. This is the case in CA where not only was that useful but also HOV lane access. Take away a lot of the tax incentives and HOV allowances, the EV market certainly would drop. Look at kWh prices now at public DCFC….costs more than gas now. Consumers don’t yet know that.
if you drive less than 5k a year that likely means all charging is done at home and a used EV would be a better choice
@@JD-yx7be Only if your paid-off vehicle stops working. A paid off ICE is the more economic choice for retired people and people who don't need to buy new things. Once used car lots fill with more EVs, this decision will be easier in the consumer space. Remember 60% or more live paycheck to paycheck and honestly should not even consider new cars. And I know a few people who make $200k a year and live paycheck to paycheck due to car payments and all that.
Tesla and all the other EV Manufacturers need to get their modified Production Vehicles racing each other in a NASCAR Like Competition! Cars that look like their production models going as fast as or faster than their ICE Counterparts and going just as long by using battery swaps! Basically ENASCAR!
EVs have not yet played to the key atributes of the technology. The atributes are a high power dense motor and a a high mass dense battery. The first should lead to a more spacious cabin as non-visible stuff in the dash is moved under the hood (as Tesla did with the CT) and it may lead to independent AWD and All-wheel-steer. The second permits a tall vehicle with the battery under the floor. Tesla has used high power density to put high power into the hands of people not trained to use it. As a result, it has upped the body structure of its vehicles to ensure the safety of passengers at very high speed. Governments should crack down on high power for on-road applications, with high power only available race-tracks. Most SUVs never get passed 60 kW unless someone is doing a ridiculous acceleration on a public road. The minimum motor in a Tesla is 200 kW, yet four 20 kW motors (one per wheel) is plenty for on-road applications. The size of the drivetrain components can be drastically reduced if sufficient power is provided. It also means a lot of mass can be removed from the vehicle as safety for very high power is not required.
I get it with the plug in. My Chevy Volt sold me and challenged myself NOT to use gas. I wanted more, and BEVS are more
Fun to drive and now in hate driving gas cars as they are not nearly as responsive. They are the true gateway so I’m ok with them pushing them as the long term people will get it
Nothing better than oil burners.
Yeah I had an EV and went back to ICE. You will eventually get it
@@rotaryenginepete I disagree. Haven’t gone back. But I’d rather not support oil that cause wars where possible.
@@krafter324 as if strip mining, child labor, and an oil powered electrical grid are somehow morally better? you do realize the range of products that are made from oil include plastics, tires, and paint?
@@rotaryenginepete sure do! So minimizing it isn’t better? And prob the laptop or phone batteries you’re using right now too.
PHEV owners rarely charge their cars! So, I don't understand why they would be the ideal candidates for going BEV!!
I remember back when some people wouldn't buy LED light bulbs for political reasons. How many incandescent bulbs are for sale at your local Walmart?
Estimates this year, which is pretty clear, Tesla is not going to beat their delivery number of 2023. The leader having no growth means some others will have growth but none are really growing much in the USA. China is where it is all happening. US consumers likely to warm up to good PHEVs when they charge at home.
Kia is and GM's equinox just went on sale Q3 and Q4 should see significant growth for them
@@JD-yx7be the sales may draw some in. Especially people looking to trade out of their first Tesla.
I’m trying to get quotes for insurance for a Tesla model 3, 2023 used model. Perfect driving record, no tickets and drive less than 5000 miles and am shocked at the high cost of insuring it. Was quoted $500 to $3000 per month insurance? WTF. Rip off. I’m going to walk away from the purchase and keep my Subaru Forester! I pay high insurance $1600 per year now already! Not paying $3500 per year for car insurance. Insurance companies are rip offs.
I'm at a loss why more people don't buy EVs, especially if you have a garage.
Tesla 56:28 should update. . . meanwhile, EVERY other manufacturer is trying to make their cars look like Teslas. . . Hmmmmm
Who is trying to make their cars look like Tesla? Tesla cars need a massive overhaul or big price drops. The gravy train is over now that consumers have more EV options with traditional styling unlike Tesla's cost leader budget car strategy.
EV depreciation should be counted toward ownership cost.
btw, 88.7% of statistics are made up on the spot..
why didn't you ask her about the exploding Jeep 4xe's?
what is the percent of total fleet that is exploding?
It wouldn't be a political standpoint if there weren't government incentives on EVs. It's not a fair model to allow incentives on EVs and not ICE. Give ICE vehicles the same incentives and see what the data would show.
Elon Musk agrees with you - 100%!
You get in incentives for ice vehicle! The government subsidizes oil companies over $10 billion dollars a year to keep fuel prices low! If they didn't, we would be paying $7-$9 a gallon!
The problem with EV's is that the hassles of owning one far out weight the benefits. The rush for EV's was all fake, all the customers who wanted a EV already has one. Everyone else just wants a normal car that works with the existing infrastructure and climate.
You think Tesla would sell more EVs if they redesign their products and make cars as ugly as what Toyota and other legacy are now producing?
The U.S. needs charging stations like they had gas stations.
By the way, ha, ha, Penske's turbo in the right place. That being said, you have to know how the turbo functions and how Penske thinks. 😁
FSD will be Tesla's 'refresh'
Why do these so called experts know so little about Teslas and the Superchargers? Any Tesla owner knows how many charger stalls are available before they arrive at the Supercharger. Why does John think only a PHEV can recharge while at work on a level 2 charger? Level 2 can charge a BEV at 10 to 20 miles per hour, so 80 to 160 miles in an 8-hour shift.
Where are people going to pee or poop if all the gas stations vanish?
Number one my TESLA on a road trip tells me where to charge how many chargers how many use average wait time how long it’s gonna take to get me to 80% to finish my trip number two. I have adapter to use anybody’s charger number three probably around 60% Only charge at home unless on a long trip because it’s cheaper not that $12-$20 a fill up is bad Number three, TESLA plans on spending $500 million this year on Superchargers number four I encourage anyone to take a 60 minute free chest drive with full self driving at your local TESLA store so you know what you’re talking about five I I put the Tesla charger in my map. My car drives to it by itself and then it backs up by itself. I get out of the car left the handle from the charger pointed at my electrical door opens. I plugged it in. There’s a blue Tesla symbol next to it. I wait for it. Turn green my cards already pre-registered with TESLA. No, there is no putting my card in the charger. I go find a restroom. I get a snack. I look at my Tesla app in my phone, and usually I have five minutes to get back to my car I don’t smell like gas or diesel. I don’t step in gas or diesel and it usually only cost me between 12 and $20 to fill up grandpa keith
"my TESLA on a road trip tells me where to charge how many chargers how many use average wait time how long it’s gonna take to get me to 80%"
Sorry to hear that.
My car doesn't tell me where I have to go, I tell it where I want to go. I never have to wait, I pull right in and I get 400 miles in 3 minutes, any weather, any speed, and that will never degrade.
It is obvious that none of those people drive a Bev.
her mindset is exactly why stellantis is failing hard