“I was done.” The Day Nellie Bowles Left the New Progressive Movement
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- Nellie Bowles joins Bari Weiss to discuss her new book, “Morning After the Revolution,” out now! Listen to the full podcast: thefp.pub/4asf8gO
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I left the left three years ago best thing i ever did and i was proved right on oct 7th
I left them back in 2015. Welcome. Glad to have you.
They always have a Caribbean dictator to admire, a guerrilla, a narco to follow, a cool nationalist tyranny country which is against NATO, and of course their favorites in the 'yihaff' since decades ago. They are not the democratic left, they are the trolls of the democracy. Some days ago I listened Noam Chomsky in the 70s saying 'this is not a democracy', and it was like a lightbulb over my head, that is it, they are ike a kid who discover their parents having sex and any other family or even being homeless is better.
Me as well, after Afghanistan...
You can still be left wing and criticise other elements of the left that you disagree with
@@michaelqdlap Can you? What do you think JK Rowling would say about that? She made the Harry Potter actors rich and famous, and because she criticized the left on one issue, they disavowed her.
If an ideology causes you to cancel a friend with glee that ideology is a very sick. Bravo for admitting to what you did.
They're only saying this so that White boys will die for Israel.
Oh really? But it's OK for those on the right, including the entire "leadership" of the R swamp gang, to blast Biden and the Dems with outrageously false accusations and inflammatory rhetoric that further divides our country and pollutes our political discourse? It's OK for that same morally void cohort to condemn the conviction of trump as a persecution and rigged trial, etc.? That's sickening and far worse than supposedly canceling some individual. That entire R anti-truth and anti-democracy brigade is despicable.
I want to extend my gratitude to Ms. Bowles for putting herself out there. Many will find this to be very helpful. I know I do. Kindly, Aaron Kindsvatter
They're only saying this so that White boys will die for Israel.
What is she going to do to undo all the damage that her former friends have done to our Republic ? Why should I give her credit for realizing that conservatives are not Nazis.
Nazis, of course, were.....wait for it..... National Socialists. Even now, she
enjoys all the freedoms and rights her flipping "Progressive" group have worked to destroy.
Sorry, I am not gleefully celebrating this woman. Has she truly recognized all the evil the "Progressivism" represents. I am willing to bet my car, she still supports the "child sacrifice" cult of abortion, the race-hustling efforts of the Left, the weakening of the family and Faith.
Even if she became a woman of Faith, I would tell her to "bear fruits befitting repentance."
Yup, that is it. How about repentance, humility and throwing her efforts into undoing
the damage to our country she contributed to so comfortably over the years.
Loved this episode. October 7th was my breakaway moment… it was like the fog went away and I could finally see clearly.
Same. Everything is different now. So glad to have extricated myself from the progressive camp.
Haven't Slept right for 7 months since. Too many stab wounds in the back to lay comfortably. Too many nightmares about friends and relatives in Israel being dead or worse. Bari put it best, "I went to bed on October 6th a progressive, and woke up October 8th a 79 year old Neo-Conservative." Ideologues are entirely full of shit, litmus tests, pearl clutching and purity scapegoating prevail on the extreme Left and Right. It's not Horsehoe "theory" anymore. It's Theorem now. And it's a G-ddamn disgrace. Charles Darwin literally wrote in "The Origin of Species" that the only way human beings could ever outmanuver "survival of the fittest," was through collaboration. Extremism is the death of that. We cannot let it ever have footing.
They're only saying this so that White boys will die for Israel.
It took you until October 7? Con-grat-u-la-tions. I hope you do something to undo all the damage you have done or contributed to. You "friends" have spent years working to tear down the Constitution, freedom of speech, due process and the Western political moral system. You have a whole lot of work to do.
we're glad you left
I have heard people for China, Cuba and other places who have come here over the last few years saying the same thing of the countries of which they came about "not stepping out of line and following the party line". And they all ask if we know what we are playing with and how quickly bad this can go. I'm glad this person saw the light.
They're only saying this so that White boys will die for Israel.
What is she going to do to undo all the damage that her former friends have done to our Republic Why should I give her credit for realizing that conservatives are not Nazis.
Nazis, of course, were.....wait for it..... National Socialists. Even now, she
enjoys all the freedoms and rights her flipping "Progressive" group have worked to destroy.
Seriously, I didn't know "they" operate at such a level of group think. It is literally Maoist youth, or elementary school girls group, but in adult form. More scary than ever imagined.
I’ve long identified this thinking as high school girl dominance culture. That also explains the total meltdown when the behavior doesn’t work. There are some people who never grow past it.
@ozachar Some ex-cons once shared with me that they found reform schools more terrifying than the big house. The adults in the big house understand that there are necessary limits to violence, whereas in reform schools (particularly CYA), youthful rage has no culturally understood limit. When a fellow reform school inmate attacks you, your lack of experience immediately concludes you may not survive. Likewise, the prospect of CCP pulling strings at T-ik T_ok must not be under estimated
I know what you mean. I was shocked at that too. I mean they coordinate their tweets? Really?
@@KenLeonard Oh man... thank you. I've been trying to figure out why its so familiar to me, and now I know why.
Leftism attracts really messed-up people, or at the very least attracts people by answering to their most messed-up needs. No well-adjusted and solid person will go near it, although one who's mainly good but profoundly bizarre might possibly. In summary, one may regard it as a Psychologist's Wonderland.
If we lived in normal times, Nellie Bowles would be a guest on Terry Gross's Fresh Air to discuss her new book and the evolution of her thinking about the progressive movement.
They're only saying this so that White boys will die for Israel.
But Ms. Gross (is she still alive?) is too far in the cult to step outside her safety zone.
If "friendships" can end that suddenly over so little, I would now be so relieved I found out. I lost friends over their lack of response to something really tragic that happened to me, it is sickening to think about the same thing happening over you stepping "out of line".
The simple and most important Truth is that we do not have to be in war against people who think differently from us.
We tend to put ourselves in a war, to forget that we are all human beings.
It is so simple, just change your mindset - (s)he just think differently from me. We can still think and talk together.
They're only saying this so that White boys will die for Israel.
There was a point, I guess in the early 90s when I was in university, and LOOOOONG before cancel culture, when I realized that the "Left" didn't care about truth any more than the "Right". Ideological purity seemed to be the means AND the ends. Since then I haven't identified with the Left and it's gone way off in totally nutty directions, and unwittingly in the service of authoritarians seeking to divide western nations.
I don't think I walked away from the Left, the left long since abandoned the ideals of compassion and have become a force of repression. I consider myself a feminist, I'm helping to raise a strong daughter and a sensitive son, support the arts and believe in the public sphere, and help raise money for anti-poverty and anti-homelessness initiatives here in Toronto, there's no political home for me in this country any more. Let's hope the pendulum swings back to sanity sooner than later. Western society sucks except when compared to the rest of them. What we've built is good, and should be better rather than torn down.
If you look at history, the further left you go, the more repressive and authoritarian murderous the society becomes. We can learn from history.
Exactly my position. I would not call it Left and Right. There is woke, there is MAGA, and there are normal people who just happened to have disagreements in between. I hope that we, the middle, will eventually prevail.
Yes, I am with you, our values have been kidnapped and we feel orphans. But I think all you say happened long time ago, after the Berlin Wall Fall there was a lapse of sanity, but now is again back to the times when the left praised Mao's Book.
I’m part of Gen Z- but I’ve realized recently that both the squad-democrats and Donald Trump seem to share a love for tearing down American democracy. I hope to see the pro-America democrats and republicans come together.
@@Tamara-qd5dc I think pro-American democrats and republicans need a platform where we can politically organize together.
So glad I found The Free Press. Finally a news source that I can share in good conscience. Breath of fresh air, plus common sense, plus entertainment. Thanks Bari and Nellie!!
So "canceling" is actually so organized that they share what to tweet? Like some kind of club? Sickening.
My thoughts exactly
It's basically a bunch of politicized lustfully power-hungry, angry, empty Mean Girls Club who get a sadistic thrill from hurting people they don't agree with... at least they would be girls if they thought girls existed.
That's actually scary
I think the context was that it was within the work place and not part of the "woke" club, as it were. Still, it's just awful.
@@CotesDuQit actually sounds worse, because they were”friends,” with the cancelled coworkers. With friends like Nellie Bowles, etc. Anyway, amazing that she admits to her actions, a rare quality
Kudos for having this conversation. I'm so surprised to hear someone like Nellie admit to being a soldier, and such weak reasons for going along with it (it felt good, I got validation from my group, this person needed to be put back into our line of thinking). She's a witty, funny writer so these weak-ish reasons are surprising. However, it's important to hear - helps understand how people can get so easily b-washed and swept along. Mob mentality is real. For those of us who grew up understanding that good people can disagree politically, it's hard to understand this black and white view politics has taken. The progressive left now all sound the same, use the same words, react, parrot the same way. At least progressives of the past were more individual and didn't just go along blindly. Great interview, thanks .
Ladies, you are a breath of fresh air. There is something so honest, so direct and so real in everything you do! Nellie your TGIF is wild, awesome, so funny so witty… your sense of humor is exquisite. Bari you are so eloquent in everything you say or write, so intelligent and so wonderful 360… You are a huge part of the movement that will take the regular mainstream media out of business and what an achievement this will be !
Still read the editorial pages in the WSJ, still watch very little TV but your FP and podcast cast such a huge shadow over everything. Keep going girls! You are the hope and the future of the media.
Honest? Refreshing? Gtfoh!
Did u Hear what this woman said? They both will blow with the wind, cash the checks, and justify loathsome behavior. They are exactly like most women.
They're only saying this so that White boys will die for Israel.
As a center-right independent and TFP subscriber, I applaud her honesty. Not everyone would so freely admit they cancelled someone and were happy about it
They're only saying this so that White boys will die for Israel.
Nelly is one of my fav writers at the Free Press and good for her at least growing the stones to take a stand.
and a great sense of humour!
@@theshog123 Agreed 100% her Friday posts are legendary. Thank God for Bari and the Free Press and Daily Wire and the other conservative/common sense commentators that have really enlightened us and hopefully others.
They're only saying this so that White boys will die for Israel.
Two American heroes
They're only saying this so that White boys will die for Israel.
Thanks Nellie for sharing these thoughts.
They're only saying this so that White boys will die for Israel.
How interesting. Nellie, I appreciate your self-deprecating comment about not being brave except in terms of not sending this tweet. Thank you for saying such a vulnerable thing. It strengthens me; in many ways I have been dealing with a similar internal weakness. If I do read your book, maybe I'll understand myself a little better. As for "canceling." It's right out of the schoolyard, IMO.
Interesting the individual turning points for each of us
Amazing channel. Curious to learn more
The word “glee” really stands out since Oct. 7 attacks by Hamas. Many people who watched their gruesome cell phone videos remarked how “gleeful” the terrorist were during their brutality. There must be a point where cancelling turns into murdering…all in the name of justice??
I am Spanish and I used to watch Democracy Now, and in 2017 Catalonia came to the News, and their expert was Julian Assange!... sorry for him but if asked by a truly independent journalist he would not have known the very basics of Catalonia, a timeline of Franco, who is Pujol, what is Unio Democratica de Catalunya, or ERC or Ciutadans... so I thought, this people is selling me other topics I am ignorant in this same way, this not journalism this is Looney Tunes for Adults.
Excellent. Most excellent.
What charming and articulate people. It's easy to see how any rigid ideology would be unappealing to them.
Thank you for the great content. I know you are smart enough to see that there is a difficult struggle ahead. Many of the worst actors are exceedingly powerful, deeply entrenched within the system, and fully committed to its continuance. Good luck.
I greatly appreciate your vulnerability; many thanks! I've tried to understand for many years now why my colleagues and friends never thought to question the intentionality of the group dynamics. I continue to struggle with forgiving, quite frankly, but I'm working on it.
I left in 2020. It was painful. Basically everyone I know or encounter in my very “blue” city seems insane to me now. Not sure what to do, as culturally I don’t fit all that well in “red” America either…..
You’re a free thinker now, don’t be scared, you can look at both sides and decide what you believe or not.❤
@@NancyBorth thanks Nance
Congrats Nellie on your escape! I hope we can all work together to help others become free of the hive mind virus!
Im struck with the idea that she lived a shallow digital life...even though it felt rich with her former far left affiliations. I'm glad she managed to reclaim her real world humanity.
Better late than never, but damn, it takes some effort, for those of us who recognized the essential nastiness of this movement thirty+ years ago (when it was called "political correctness"), to forgive those who went along with it. But we do, and are glad to have you.
They're only saying this so that White boys will die for Israel.
I love this. Thank you Barri and Nellie! Where are the rest of the reasonable centrists? It feels as though we are in the minority.
Nellie seems so lovely that it's hard to imagine her doing anyone harm.
So take this opportunity to upgrade your notion of loveliness.
You should never have the same one you had ten years earlier or you're not learning anything.
You ladies are the BEST
A peek into madness.
Love these two.
I left the left around 3 years ago. I'm not over exaggerating when I say it's one of the most liberating things I've ever done.
so enjoy your content.....
I’m curious. How did she receive instructions on how to tweet that day. How to be a good soldier. The tweet we were all supposed to tweet. What are these people? It’s scary. Mao’s cleansing comes to mind…Pol Pot’s.
Seems so organized. The center may not hold this time.
Yes. I am very curious about who decided what to tweet and how the word was passed around.
You mentioned Mao and quite rightly: Mao created 10 “evil” black classes and 10 “good revolutionary” red classes. The Woke (American Maoists) know what the good and bad views are, according to their literature and DEI programming. They take every situation and find a way to attribute evil to an individual based on nonexistent “group guilt”. From there, they know how to destroy someone at a moments notice by attributing their motives to unproven guilt based on their “identity” *or* their proximity to someone with a “bad” identity
Woah . Good on you ladies .
Who is the arbiter of tweets to assign to the group? Who decides the target?
Thank you both for rejecting the mob, and for having the courage to talk about it.
I lol for real when you were talking about real conservatives who think Trump is soft. Hey how you doing? We out here and are some of the nicest people you will meet.
Dear Universe,
My intention is to find me a Nellie. Thanks for bringing Bari and Nellie together. Now it's my turn. Please respond. Wishing you well.
❤
To the people angry at this woman in the comments, wondering why they should listen to her:
She’s sharing an insight into a cultural phenomenon that is influential in our society. It’s about mutual understanding and compromise, not being punitive. Ironically, a refusal to forgive a persons mistakes is what drives cancel culture. I get that you might feel personally wronged here, and wonder why she is receiving credit for doing the “bare minimum.” But this is about moving forward together as a country and it’s going to take effort from both sides.
Beautiful insightful comment
These are NOT the ppl to look up to.
I really agree with what she said.
I remember I just tipped my toe into the pool of feeling like my morale was so much higher than my surroundings, having a clip of data and just general people who had *some* of the same beliefs, to make me align myself with things I don't actually understand or know about.
Embarrassing and shameful.
So, my journal entry in 2015 while living in Portland was correct!
Two very special and brilliant women
Special? Yes. Brilliant? No.
My kind of lesbians. My kind of journalists. I wish I had a way to be part of a community with intelligent, critical thinkers unafraid of truth. Great journalism is as objective and honest as possible. And as a lesbian, I would love to have friends like these two.
Figures. Women like this, and presumably you, have about as much principle as a toad.
I'm a centrist and will vote for a Repub or dem closest to the center…
This interview is too short. Please do another one.
Exactly. Things are complex.
That's really interesting because we have a glimpse, from the inside, of what it is to be part of a group that enforces this kind of herd mentality.
Nellie said it very well: she felt compelled to go with the group and try to destroy someone's livelihood if this person deviated from the dogma. I think it is telling when Nellie said she had been a very good soldier of «The Movement». It just shows how easily even a strong minded person can be manipulated by this kind of groupthink. That's a good reminder that nobody is immune to that sort of trap.
It may sound cheesy but I can't help but notice that what got Nelly out of this herd mentality was love. Love for her family members and love for Bari.
No, love is not the answer, but when people you care about are targeted by your «friends», you tend to question your so-called friends.
EDIT: I've started to listen to this episode of Honestly, I'm 47 minutes in. I'm glad this «movement» didn't crush Nellie's curiosity, professionalism and sense of humour. And TGIF! 😁
Oh! And congratulations for your second child! I don't know how you two manage to do all this, expanding your media empire while raising kids. 😊
Love cannot be cheesy. Love your insightful comment.
Are you sure she not in a trap now? Sure sounds like one to me………..agree, or we will cancel you………
In short, the canceler got canceled
Excellent interview. Sometimes you just can't tweet the tweet.
ANYONE KNOW WHERE NELLIE GOT HER SHOES
My first reaction was: Bowles said what? Then i saw the same journey...
Good for you! The woke reflex does so much damage.
Sounds like The Lottery stone throwers . . .
Yes, it does.
I would argue that they weren't really your friends in the first place, if they left that quickly and without a real foul.
I mean, I’m not trying to insult anyone, but parents are supposed to provide etiquette training and ethical enforcement from a young age. That includes explaining loyalty to family and friends, not shunning them! Wtf people, how do grown adults cancel anyone?
Love Bari Weiss and have followed Nellie Bowles for years. However her hit piece on Jordan Peterson was too much. I wonder if she regrets that?
My thoughts exactly. Since I found out she was the NYT reporter who was so deceitful in her treatment of Jordan Peterson, (for which she has not yet apologized), I have been unable to trust her writing.
@@annedobson-mack3688 And in fact, arguably Peterson could have mentored Nellie on her flight from wokeness, and most certainly he was roundly attacked by smartypant woke types like her. Peterson is a very, very wise man who didn't deserve her deceptive sleight-of-hand on quoting Peterson as being a woman hater. Nellie isn't stupid, and she purposely removed the context that Peterson always provides around his carefully thought-out homilies. It was literally a woke NYT take down. Shameful.
@@annedobson-mack3688until she atones publicly for that, no dice. And Weiss has never addressed attacking Gabbard erroneously either. These two ARE the problem, NOT any solution
And they call themselves "enlightened" and "intellectuals".
I think it’s so powerful that you admit the cancel mob required everyone to tweet the same hint intended to harm another, just because of differing opinions.
OK, I have to get this book because I have to know: What is "The Movement"? As an old First Amendment liberal, but a conservative Eastern Orthodox Christian, I know that certain labels are now meaningless. The real divide is over the First Amendment -- free speech, freedom of association, freedom of religion. So what is a "liberal"? What is the word for Movement people? A Muslim human rights activist told me that he is starting to use the word "Jacobin," based on hostility to traditional forms of faith. TheFP folks: What are your thoughts?
I hope this channel gains more momentum. Also, fun fact, these two are married
They are counting on it! They both DEFINE grifting.
Yes...married lesbians, and pregnant to boot! A fine journalistic duo!
These two are a barrel of laughs.
Unfortunately she learned that none of those people were her friends to begin with.
Group think might not be the worst characteristic that people engage in, but I'm pretty sure that every noxious, evil and destructive movement in history exhibited and enforced it rigorously and brutally. By nature I'm not a person who goes along because it's what you're expected to do, and have encountered a lot of resistance as a result. But I assess each situation and person on its and their own merits and proceed accordingly, regardless of what others think or want me to do. That's how everyone should ideally behave, but, alas, humans are herd animals and most just go with the flow, to avoid rejection and and reprobation and feel like they belong. I may more often than not agree with how most people who align with my overall political, moral and ideological views see things and act, but not because they do, but rather because I came to that position on my own.
Get you a woman who looks at you like Bari does at 2:37
Makes sense that they are married.
Oh ffs...gimme a break.
Coordinated tweets to take friends or colleagues down? Stop children, what’s that click?
As much as I respect this interview . I realize now why I left NYC and never looked back. Also why these Intellectuals are scary and need to be monitored.
Great that some of the mean girls are growing up. I mean that, really. But they should go back and publicly apologize for all their transgressions prior. Many men should receive those apologies.
If not tweeting something leads to a good friend cancelling your friendship, then you’re on Twitter entirely too much.
What is "The Movement"?
Congratulations for not being a completely horrible human being.
Interesting
What she describes is a cult. Good for you, Nellie.
The drama you people live with………poor poor, Nellie………her life must have been pure hell……..now’s she’s safe with the chosen people, she can ride on her Jewish girlfriends coat tails…..pretty sure that’s allowed.
The problem here is whether it's people like Bari Weiss, Dave Rubin, Nellie Bowles, Michael Shellenberger, Matt Taibi or whomever else, is that a lot of them are still liberals, and not just any liberals, but really left leaning liberals. I don't really think that the conservative movement embracing some of these people really like it's doing actually helps. They are still part of the problem and IMO a very clever tool to move the Overton window to the left. If these people theoretically 'come to the right' then essentially democrat political philosophy from 10-15 years ago becomes the new conservatism. And this isn't coming from a hardcore republican voter, I'm a non-partisan right-leaning moderate just warning conservatives to beware.
Most of my friends or acquaintances start shaking at the mention of Trump as a person i approve of and they dissapear. And I'm canadian
I do find Trump genuinely quite alarming as an American- not for his political views but because he cannot seem to accept that he lost the election in 2020. I think he prioritized his own political career over the continued stability of American democracy, and for that I really dislike Trump. That being said, if I run away from everyone who mentions they liked him or aspects of his politics, I wouldn’t exactly be promoting a healthy American democracy either, now would I?
@@lrmry thank you for your nice reply, I think that it is a little superficial
@@mac2658 I’ll bite- in the spirit of healthy communication and debate- what do you think is missing from my analysis?
@lrmry saying he didn't accept his 2020 defeat without acknowledging that Hillary and Gore still go around saying they were stolen too is a bit sélective. Then you have a carrier politician with an almost 50 years political career with tons of compromises, cocksuckings and secret deals to survive, that said in 2016 i favored Clinton in the USA and voted the liberals in Canada. After seeing the insane social laws and deficits in both countries I became a conservative. So f9r me it's all about the policies and not about the likability of the candidates, in fact I don't really like Trump's personality but i like even less Biden the fake nice guy. I think that you and me probably don't read the same news and information.
You're not alone. I know of a few friendships that have to an end because one person supports Trump and the other person suffers from TDS.
Here we have two "slow learner Democrats" in a discussion of professional ethical growth---along with a rather public confession. Is political remediation actually possible? As always, time will tell.
Thanks, but I don't really understand. I would feel awful cancelling someone. I would feel evil. But there are people who think like this obviously.
I think it can be difficult for people to notice the difference between someone facing natural social consequences for their actions and a concerted effort to estrange and isolate someone based on arbitrary criteria.
Like if you truly believed someone was saying something dangerous and might in the future be a threat to you and your friends, you’d maybe want to warn them, right? This is that taken to the extreme.
"To do a cancellation is a very warm, social thing."
Huh?
You left out the big question..... Why is this ideology so addicting that it overrides friendship, the ability to question, and good sense? What kind of world did you and your fellow travellers want to create? Was it ever thought through?
They 'canceled' me in TG. Years ago they deleted me a comment about the king of Spain, which was funny, I wrote hundreds of comments for years, and since October 7th 2023 they may blacklisted me or something similar because they deleted most of my comments about Israel - Palestine.
They make a nice couple. 😊 I also left the Democratic Party and what I thought was “progressive” but it’s turned out to be something else.
The very use of the term "cancel" without clarification or specific details is an example of simple-minded analysis and offensive rhetoric in general. This is the talk of juveniles.
Welcome to reality
I'm sure there is more to her than this but... damn Nell has great skin.
They coordinate their cancel tweets? Really? God, that's pathetic!
Oh stop it Glenn, it’s so in now with conservatives to double cancel tweets. They are such twits……….
@@NancyBorth I have no idea what you are talking about.
@@glennwatson3313 I was commenting on your comment about their tweets being pathetic.
@@NancyBorth Yeah, I got the part where you were commenting.
Anyone who wants to confront complex matters should probably try at least to study science in enough depth to know what a complex (but tractable) problem really looks like. I'm sure some of this audience has done this. The intractability of figuring out a rational take on the culture wars dwarfs this, and yet, we continue to hear the kind of platitudes present in this conversation about how we deal with folks with whom we fundamentally disagree. Sure, "canceling" people doesn't make the divide disappear; it may just mean we move on to another distraction. What I mainly hear in this clip is this cloying, almost continuous emoting about how bad something felt. From the perspective of a scientist, there comes a point in tackling a difficult problem where the key to moving forward is not thinking that my failure to progress is about... me.
Does she regret all the people she canceled in the past?
Say it!
it's(morphed into) a pseudo religion. Cancellation is a confession of faith for them
Well done to her for getting out of it, but she still did those terrible things for selfish gratification, and didn’t seem to apologise once here. Not sure I would want to live a life too near hers
You think this calculated BS is anything different?
I will never forgive Bari Weiss for taking this woman off the dating market
I woke up funny enough at the Sam Harris Bill Maher Ben Affleck debacle. It was like a ton of bricks and instant. It's hard to describe but I'm like oh, I'm with these guys?
The progressive movement sounds more and more like an episode of Mean Girls. It’s like junior high all over again, except they’re adults (theoretically), and people are losing their jobs.
She is describing Church. I guess you can take religion away from people, but you can't take religion out of people.
Nellie Bowles did not leave she was kicked out and now she understands. To late she is creep.
Sounds a bit like Mean Girls!
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