ISA - What Is It And How To Disable It? (ENG) Marek Drives
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- What is ISA and how to turn it off?
In 2019, EU lawmakers have agreed on GSR or General Safety Regulation package. The goal is noble: to boost safety for passengers, pedestrians and cyclists. The new measures are expected to prevent 25,000 deaths and reduce serious injuries by at least 140,000 by 2038.
Among the mandatory systems is ISA - Intelligent Speed Assistance. It's emits an audible warning, when you exceed the speed limit, and when the speed limit changes.
As of July 7, 2024 these systems (including ISA) are mandatory for all new cars sold in the EU. All the new systems have to be active every time the vehicle is started.
Here are examples of how to disable ISA in a dozen or so of the most popular brands.
BMW 3:20
Citroen 3:46
Dacia 4:03
Honda 4:34
Hyundai 5:02
KIA 5:18
Lexus 5:40
Mazda 5:59
Mercedes 6:09
Renault 6:20
Suzuki 6:33
Toyota 7:05
Volkswagen 7:41
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New rules to improve road safety and enable fully driverless vehicles in the EU
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Volvo EX30 here. The dealer suggested to program the personalised button on the steering wheel so it turns ISA audio off, and he actually did it for me.
It's now a reflex : put the car in drive, push the magic button, and drive.
Volvo did the right thing.
We don't ISA in Canada. Thank you very much. I have KSA. Kevin speed assistance. It's worked for decades. Sometimes my wife thinks she's ISA. She comments on my speed constantly.
Ah, yes! The "don't you think we're going a bit fast?" warning system. Also known as "are we in a hurry?" safety feature.
@@MarekDrivesENG 😂
Thanks for the run down on the difference between brands. I’m amazed some brands make it so long winded, because it will actually put off quite a few buyers and could be a significant factor in lost sales.
I have never wanted to buy a Dacia before. Now suddenly I do.
How full of customer contempt do you have to be to put crucial settings like this deep in the touchscreen?
I don’t have ISA in my ‘18 Passat but I do have lane keep assist and it stays the hell off until I manually turn it back on again. Now if only the start-stop feature would work the same way…
Yes, LKA has to be on by default since about 2018. I recall VW PR telling us how to disable it during the Touareg launch event :)
As burying ISA settings deep in any menu, I hope such carmakers will see their sales dwindle until they come to their senses.
As I understand it, regulators don't allow it to be "too easy"... It has to be "buried".
@@hasidila188 there is no requirement for it to be buried. BMW, Mercedes, Renault make it a one-button affair.
I predict we will see an alteration to the way ISA is mandated once more infuriated consumers complain about how crap it is in real-world use. It flat out sucks. The truth is that these systems - including most of the GSR2 mandated kit like lane keep assist - are not even remotely close to being reliable or intelligent enough to meet the fantastical demands legislators have placed upon them. Stuff like this really does make me question the value of Euro NCAP in the modern world - they seem to be just inventing new rules to justify their own continued existence (and funding, no doubt), whilst the European Commision seems to blindly accept anything they recommend. Rant over…
Difficulty of turning off ISA a big factor in car choice.
I have a feeling German cars will be very popular in certain circles, as they can usually be tinkered with using readily available software (BimmerCode for BMW, VCDS for VW group, etc.), and it's going to make it very easy to get rid of this crap. Permanently.
If not, we can always find the speaker in the dash, remove it, and smash it with a hammer.
Funny you should suggest that, because the first thing I did when I found about ISA last year, was drive to "my guy", who installed Android Auto on my MINI.
He says it's increasingly difficult to code something on cars (including VAG), because they are online, and they revert to the last approved software version. And even if they don't do it automatically, the dealer will install the current software version, when you leave the car in for service.
Also increasingly often the warning sounds are emitted through the audio system speakers, so you're fucked from every angle.
@@MarekDrivesENG Eh, people managed to hack the heated seat subscription on BMW, they will find a way.
I hope...
I read an article about this and people were warned that actually tinkering with the software as you suggest, could cause your insurance company to refuse a claim in the event of an accident. Remember that question on the proposal form, “Has the car been modified?”. If you’ve had this done and put “No” to that question, your insurance company will claim that the policy is void. If, however, you answer “Yes”, it’s likely they won’t cover it at all, since it’s regarded as a safety feature. Best just to buy a model that enables you to turn it off in 2 or 3 clicks via a personalisation button. As soon as manufacturers realise they are losing sales, they’ll probably all make this process easy.
@@philipbassett5129 It's not the insurance companies you have worry about.
New cars will have "calibration IDs" and they can fail inspection / MOT if it's not factory.
But I trust that someone will find a solution to reset everything to factory for inspection and revert the next day.
I'm all for rules that make sense. But if it doesn't make sense, I'm putting in effort to get around it.
I would argue against saving lives. Being driven many cars with speed limit detection -- I have never experienced a car that would work properly. So even if I was a true pedantic driver, higher blood pressure from false positives tends to increase the risk of heart attack...
Why don't they mandate something useful that actually helps the driver instead of something that doesn't work properly and is there just to annoy you? I think BSM(Blind Spot Monitoring) and RCTA (Rear Cross Traffic Alert) are such examples, not annoying but there to warn you when there is a good reason for it, work very well also.
My Mazda 3 is of 2021 vintage. So I was spared of ISA. 👍
Usually immediately after starting the engine my left hand goes automatically and turns the "i-stop" off, though.
Then the lane keep assist follows, rather sooner than later, but I sometimes find this feature useful...
Mazda MY24 driver here. I usually keep ISA audible warning ON because a) the beeping it is not that annoying (politely beeps twice every time you exceed the speed limit), b) with pressing "mute" you also mute audible warnings of other driver assistance systems, such as Lane Departure warning, Blind spot monitoring warning, front and rear cross traffic alerts and SBS forward alert.
You beat me by 10 minutes. I wanted to write exactly your comment, word for word. Sucks that Mazda decided to implement it as such, but at least the chime is better (after a minor sw update).
Now I want to ask you, Mazda has a setting to give you some leeway of up to 10kmh until it chimes, but it doesn't seem to work. How does it behave in your car?
Note I have a 2024 Mazda 3 Sedan
@@marjacu3809 the same. I also tried. This function was useful and worked on my MY17 Mazda, but on MY24 it just doesn't seem to do/change anything
@marjacu3809 the warning threshold was a different safety feature, and yes, you used to be able to set it 5 or 10 km/h above.
@viliukas15 interesting about turning off all the audible warnings. I haven't driven a new Mazda with ISA, I just recorded the button for this video. It seems Dacia has done it best so far.
My Mazda traffic sign recognition records a 5 mph limit from a side road when I’m on a 30mhp road. Have fun with that. Luckily I’m in UK so ISA is not mandatory with the beeping
Good one. Thanks!
How is ISA dealing with different speed laws in the EU? For example, in Croatia speed limit is valid until the next junction - aftewards it is the standard limit for that road type.
Same problem in Poland, but that's up to satnav to provide such information. In order for ISA to work there needs to be satnav. So no more cars without it.
I had an EV9 for the weekend and did exactly as you described.😅
Well done! 😉
They all should just put a simple button de stop it..... right near de startstop one if possible....
I've got a 2017 model, so no ISA for me, but I dread the day I have to replace it with something with ISA.
My first question that I'll be asking the dealer is "how do I turn the stupid beep off?"
Hopefully by then more carmakers will implement better ways of dealing with ISA. Single button solutions or it's a no-go for me.
Is this ISA collecting data sent to government branches and/or sold to insurance companies? I feel like there is a lack of transparency regarding data collection and handling from modern cars
Yes. It's collecting data about how often do people turn it off, and how often they exceed speed limits. The data is sent to the EU road safety authority. I assume it's for the body to evaluate how its regulations are fucked up :)
@@MarekDrivesENG God damn big brother nanny state! 🤬
Thanks a lot
I do have not yet driven a very new car. But from what I hear the beeps are all the same. You have to take your eyes off the road when you hear a beep and see what the dash is informing you. Here in Spain roadwork signs are low, ground level. They include speed limits. Are the cameras in the cars able to read these?
You did not mention it but I thought there is a speed limiter within with this safety initiative. Thus cars will not be able to go faster than the limit it thinks set on the road. Is that correct or is that for the future?
These cameras read signs from all over the place, including ones the shouldn't (like that parallel road I mentioned in the video - there's a 20 km/h speed limit on some access road, while the limit on the main road is 50).
Some sort of speed limiter is mandatory, but it's not active by default. Depending on the car you can set it yourself or it will adapt to the speed limit automatically. It will prevent you from crossing the speed limit, unless you overcome the gas pedal resistance.
It's kind of like reverse cruise control. Instead of setting the minimum speed to maintain, you set the maximum speed, which shouldn't be exceeded.
You can also set the car to inform you about the changing speed limit visually, and then there's a prompt, whether the car should adapt the speed (for cruise control or the limiter) to that sign.
@@MarekDrivesENG Thank you for the explanation.👍
I’m picking up my new Volkswagen ID.3 next week. Very curious how annoying ISA will be.
Do cars have dedicated speaker for ISA or use one from radio/entertainment?
These days everything goes through the same speaker system, so no, you can't just cut one wire and be done with it :(
and just like that Toyota is no longer the brand I'd consider for a replacement when the time comes; unless something changes....(as I usually buy my cars at @yr/old mark and the current year Camry (new model) would've been up my alley ....guess I should look for alternatives...
Make no mistake, car insurers at some point in the near future, will invalidate the insurance of anybody turning this gadget off. Big Brother is already here.
I bet. It sends data to the EU road safety authority for evaluation. I.e. how often do people speed, and how often do they turn this shit off :)
For this reason alone I did not want to wait for the FL Hyundai i30, although it was just half a year away. I knew it would have this ADAS crap baked in, so I opted to buy the PFL model. I just turn off start stop and LKA when I start the car, and I am good to go. I think Dacia / Renault have the best disable system of ADAS, program what you dislike, 2 clicks, and be on your merry way.
Ford: keep the LIM button on the steering wheel pressed for a few seconds.
Yes, even in the UK we get this lovely feature - so much for Brexit!! 😩 I can't deny that this feature can be of use, especially when driving in unfamiliar areas, however you should be able to turn it off or mute it easily because an angry/annoyed/stressed/infuriated driver is not a safe driver. But now it's about to get worse as new cars in the EU from today will actually physically limit the speed rather than just telling you off. I feel that car manufacturers should no longer express the feeling of freedom and pleasure in their new-car adverts as it just can no longer exist (at least in Europe).
Not quite:
road-safety-charter.ec.europa.eu/resources-knowledge/media-and-press/intelligent-speed-assistance-isa-set-become-mandatory-across
"The ISA regulation provides four options for systems feedback to the driver, from which car manufacturers will be free to choose from:
1. Cascaded acoustic warning
2. Cascaded vibrating warning
3. Haptic feedback through the acceleration pedal
4. Speed control function"
So far all implementations I experienced were cascaded acoustic warning. I'd prefer haptic feedback through the acceleration pedal.
Wait, do they know you can be deaf and still drive?
I want a car with speed recognition. Mine doesn't and and sometimes I am cruising through a road with speed cameras and I remain at a lower speed because i cant remeber if the speed restriction had ended or not but I dont want an annoying beeping sound!
Traffic sign recognition is not perfect, but good enough. Also these days Android Auto shows you the speed limit.
@@MarekDrivesENG yes, it does. But sometimes it doesn't so I would love to have sign recognition as I hate to pay tickets 😅
Now I know that my next car will be a Dacia or Renault
No proof that what you see in Duster would be the same in other models. Saw a Jogger without that option.
@@kalinlilovski7207 I know, because Jogger still hasn't been updated
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I'd probably go for used cars which haven't this cr@p installed. I'll stay with my CX5 Mazda Diesel for a while longer I suppose.
So my next car will be a Dacia, :)
Mazda just won
Well well well... I have bought a new car in 2024 but it's, basically, a 2017 model with a 2021 engine so no ISA. The one that is now on sale, it does have ISA. I was looking to Hyundai Kona and then at the new Dacia Duster and I was just impressed how well the new Duster implemented the countermeasures for EU's stupidity. The Kona is just not that good but not as bad as the Suzuki but it shows a lack of understanding of a driver's needs. Yes, a car that is similar to the Suzuki would be a deal braker for me.
I think you left out Tesla, it's similar to the Merc as it's a one touch deal. We need that in Hyundais.
So my care has no ISA but, of course, it does have a load of EU in it. When I start the car, I need to disable the stop / start system (button on the left), set the driving to mode from Eco to Normal (button near the gear lever) and disable Lane Keep Assist (button on the steering wheel. I would love to have a button like on Dacia or have all the buttons on the left, grouped together.