Brisket on a Pellet Grill vs Offset | Smoke Lab with Steve Gow | Oklahoma Joe's®

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  • čas přidán 29. 05. 2023
  • What makes a better brisket, a pellet grill or an offset smoker? Steve Gow from ‪@SmokeTrailsBBQ‬ conducts an experiment to find out, comparing a brisket smoked on the #OklahomaJoes Longhorn Offset Smoker with a brisket smoked on the Rider DLX Pellet Grill. Let’s find out if there’s a difference!
    Products used in this video
    Longhorn Reverse Flow: www.oklahomajoes.com/longhorn...
    Rider DLX 1200 Pellet Grill: www.oklahomajoes.com/rider-dl...
    Pellet Grill Brisket Recipe
    Ingredients:
    Meat
    10-15 lb brisket (Choice grade or higher)
    Rub
    Quarter cup course black pepper
    Quarter cup kosher salt
    Tablespoon Lawry’s Seasoned Salt
    Wrap liquid
    1/3 cup beef tallow
    1/3 cup clarified butter/Ghee (or substitute with normal butter):
    Technique
    Trim brisket
    Mix rub ingredients in shaker bottle, add small amount of vegetable oil to help mixture stay consistent
    Apply rub to brisket, starting with back and sides, and finishing with fat cap. Let sit on counter for 1 hour to overnight
    Place large water pan in the center of the bottom grate
    Place brisket on top rack of pellet grill above water pan
    Smoke at 175 (low smoke on Rider DLX) overnight for 10-12 hours
    The next morning, refill pellets and water pan if needed and increase temperature to 300
    2 hours later, start probing brisket every hour until it reaches at least 190-195 internal everywhere in the brisket (Should take ~3 hours)
    Remove brisket from grill and turn grill down to 175 (or as low as it will go)
    Wrap brisket in butcher paper with beef tallow and clarified butter
    Place wrapped brisket in aluminum pan with quarter cup water added, foil top tightly. If aluminum pan is unavailable wrap, brisket with aluminum foil, ensuring liquid cannot leak from bottom.
    Let brisket rest on counter for 2 hours or until internal temperature reaches 150 degrees or lower
    2 hours later, place rested & wrapped brisket on top rack of grill (which is still running at 175 or lower), water pan still on lower rack, and let it hold until dinner (3-4 hours max, otherwise the brisket may overcook).
    NOTE: this recipe assumes you are serving the brisket for dinner. The 2 hour rest and 3-4 hour hold at 175 will ensure you are able to serve the brisket around 5PM, but it is also essential to achieve tenderness if the brisket is pulled from the grill at 190 internal. If you are serving the brisket for lunch, you can instead take the brisket to 200-205 degrees internal until it probes tender, wrap, and then rest on the counter for 2 hours + and slice (skipping the hold stage).
    Offset Smoker Brisket Recipe
    See previous Smoke Labs video “Do temperature swings matter?” for offset smoker recipe

Komentáře • 91

  • @Ryansbbqnbrew
    @Ryansbbqnbrew Před rokem +3

    Great video man, I have a custom offset but can’t beat the push button wake up and the briskets done convenience of the pellet grill. Life’s busy, every good pitmaster has a pellet grill in there arsenal.

  • @BeerforBreakfastFactsforSnacks

    I love my Broil King Crown 500 pellet grill. Best briskets ever. Cheers from BRANTFORD Ontario

  • @8Nguy1948
    @8Nguy1948 Před rokem +4

    What would happen if you put the brisket fat side down on the pellet smoker ? Would that render the fat cap better? Thanks for your taking the time to put these videos on here so that the rest of us can learn .

    • @SmokeTrailsBBQ
      @SmokeTrailsBBQ Před rokem +3

      It does render the fat cap better and faster but it leaves grill marks on it and generally messes it up. That's why I like going fat side up.

  • @John-bg8hq
    @John-bg8hq Před 8 měsíci

    What’s your long hold method for the pellet grill?
    I thought it was the 10 hour low smoke, bump temp to render fat till 190
    Then pull and hold

  • @HuyH
    @HuyH Před 5 měsíci

    I started this last night at 11pm in which i set my ok joes dlx at 200 for 10 hours. After 10 hours the brisket temp was only 140s. Therefore i added more pellets/water/ice and turned it up to 225 in which brisket temp went up to as of now 153. Granted outside temp went to low 40s last night but in the pellet smoker, would that matter much? Curious why im not reaching close to 190 temp for me to take out, wrap and put back in? Im using an 8.29lb angus brisket. Hoping to get this done by 3pm so I can place in cooler and drive 2 hours to destination. Its almost 10am currently

  • @CoolJay77
    @CoolJay77 Před rokem +3

    That seems like a great cooking strategy on a pellet grill. However my tiff about the smoke flavor from pellet smokers is not that they produce light intensity smoke flavor, but the smoke flavor is too homogeneous. Burning logs results in more flavor nuances even when smoked with a lighter clean fire. However I have never tasted them side by side such as you did. You have prompted me with the perfect analogy. Pellet grills are to Jack Daniels, what stick burners are Glenmorangie. Jack Daniels has a quite pleasant but homogeneous barrel flavor, however Glenmorangie has all the notes and nuances that you read on the bottle. Cheers!

  • @brandtmiles2373
    @brandtmiles2373 Před rokem +4

    Only thing I'd do differently with the pellet brisket is use a foil boat between the stall and eventual wrap when you hit 190⁰ -- those last few hours are crucial to insulating the flat and preventing any overcooking. Just my two cents.

    • @SmokeTrailsBBQ
      @SmokeTrailsBBQ Před rokem +2

      That's a good idea. I might test it out some more. Problem I've had in the past with foil boating on a pellet is the flat actually overcooks because it's sitting in liquid getting braised.

  • @mattvangampler7508
    @mattvangampler7508 Před rokem +4

    Guga did an experiment with replacement butter and they went crazy over the Parkay squeeze butter. I wonder how a brisket would turn out if you wrapped with that instead of ghee

    • @SmokeTrailsBBQ
      @SmokeTrailsBBQ Před rokem +2

      I've heard good things. It's very popular in competitions.

  • @sajrambob6794
    @sajrambob6794 Před rokem +1

    I have a temp probe on the top rack. Should that read/register 300f? It's lower because it's above the water/ice pan.

    • @SmokeTrailsBBQ
      @SmokeTrailsBBQ Před rokem

      When set to 300 on the DLX yes, it's lower on the top rack because the water pan is suppressing temps. All good.

  • @worldbfree4u
    @worldbfree4u Před rokem +1

    Would using a smoke tube provide more smoke flavor for the pellet grill brisket smoke?

    • @SmokeTrailsBBQ
      @SmokeTrailsBBQ Před rokem

      Yes. 1 round of it is usually enough. 2+ tubes can make the brisket taste acrid

  • @rc6149
    @rc6149 Před rokem +1

    Not bad, thanks for the video. Could you try it with a electric gravity feed smoker next?

  • @danielploy9143
    @danielploy9143 Před rokem +1

    Nice presentation. Raise the water pan to about half a foot or around 152 millimeters for Canadian’s below the brisket. Then check the tenderness on the bottom side.

    • @SmokeTrailsBBQ
      @SmokeTrailsBBQ Před rokem

      HAHA! We actually use imperial measurements for most stuff (or at least I do). Do you mean increase the gap between the brisket and WP or raise the WP from the grill grate so it's closer to the brisket? What's the theory there?

    • @danielploy9143
      @danielploy9143 Před rokem +1

      @@SmokeTrailsBBQ around 6” below meat, that way you get a heat sink & also allow smoke & steam if any to mingle to help smoke stick to bottom side.

  • @MAbifarin
    @MAbifarin Před rokem +2

    Recently added a Camp Chef Woodwind pro to my arsenal. It does a great job and my reality is that I have used it more often than I expected to, or would have, if I had purchased an offset smoker.
    Some people have the time, energy and inclination to manage and tend a fire to create a measurably better product, and good for them.
    For me, if I was given the chance to do it over, I think I would purchase the same grill again except this time I might get the 36 inch version.
    Thanks for sharing and please let us know when your rub becomes available😉

  • @BryanColliver
    @BryanColliver Před rokem +1

    i have been somking for a long time a pellet smoker is 10% of the work for 90% of the flavor i love my offset but i have 4 kids being able to put it on and go to sleep is amazing

  • @andysue2264
    @andysue2264 Před rokem +1

    What about using a different thermal mass instead of the water pan? How about a large salt block? Or even fire bricks?

    • @SmokeTrailsBBQ
      @SmokeTrailsBBQ Před rokem +1

      Great idea! The one challenge I could foresee is a salt block/fire bricks/pan full of sand/ metal plate etc. keep rising in temperature and shed alot of radiant heat of their own eventually. Water is kind of the magic heat sink because it has a maximum temp limit of 212.

  • @freedomisntfree5573
    @freedomisntfree5573 Před 7 měsíci

    Maybe I'm weird. I love the crunch of a good bark

  • @lyleswavel320
    @lyleswavel320 Před rokem +1

    I use my camp chef pellet smoker and smoke tube on rack for more smoke, 2 hours at 170° low smoke, 4 hours 225° high smoke, at 172° internal, wrap on butcher paper and tallow, put in oven at 275° till 200° or feels right by probing, let stay warm at 145° for 8 hours or so

    • @SmokeTrailsBBQ
      @SmokeTrailsBBQ Před rokem

      I've had good luck with a smoke tube as well

    • @lyleswavel320
      @lyleswavel320 Před rokem +1

      @@SmokeTrailsBBQ I also use the Oklahoma Bronco Drum, smoking a brisket as we speak

    • @SmokeTrailsBBQ
      @SmokeTrailsBBQ Před rokem

      @@lyleswavel320 do you use a water pan?

    • @lyleswavel320
      @lyleswavel320 Před rokem

      @Smoke Trails BBQ I did today here in Northeast Texas which is pretty humid, I kept watch over it and it seems as if it steamed it, I have it in the warmer now and find out if I like it better, I'll be honest, at 175° it didn't have the normal bark I like, time will tell after I look at it later

  • @chriserickson1972
    @chriserickson1972 Před rokem +1

    Since you test ideas so we don't have to... I've yet to see anyone sear in the brisket juice and then add rub and smoke normally. Would that make the end result juicier?

    • @SmokeTrailsBBQ
      @SmokeTrailsBBQ Před rokem +2

      Searing to lock in flavor is a bbq myth. But a seared or "reverse sear brisket" could be fun to see what kind of flavor it has

  • @robs6733
    @robs6733 Před rokem +1

    To do this comparison, you should've used one of the best pellet smokers like Lonestar Grillz Pellet Smokers. It produces more smoke than that entry level pellet smoker. Give it a try.

  • @davidlynch5309
    @davidlynch5309 Před rokem +1

    I have seen wood chips mixed in with pellets at a fifty fifty ratio volume not weight I would really like to see you try this

    • @SmokeTrailsBBQ
      @SmokeTrailsBBQ Před rokem

      I've never heard of that! Sounds like it would be fun. It might jam up my auger though. Not that it would stop me haha

    • @gregwilliams2066
      @gregwilliams2066 Před rokem

      Sure he is talking about a tube mixed with chips and pellets. Maybe even use 2 tubes

    • @bigscreenbird8198
      @bigscreenbird8198 Před rokem

      @@gregwilliams2066 nope. There is a guy on here that uses a lone star grillz smoker and uses half small wood chips and pellets. Video just came out and he claimed it’s as good as his offset.

    • @davidlynch5309
      @davidlynch5309 Před rokem

      @@gregwilliams2066 no the wood chips are in with the pellets in the hopper

    • @gregwilliams2066
      @gregwilliams2066 Před rokem

      @@davidlynch5309 wonder if would be ok in centered burner campchef? Or look for even smaller sized chips?

  • @jmantwild9373
    @jmantwild9373 Před rokem +1

    Pellet smoker for convenience and offset smoker for enjoyment. Also bourbon is better with brisket. Scotch tastes and smells like iodine I'm guessing because of the peat moss.

    • @SmokeTrailsBBQ
      @SmokeTrailsBBQ Před rokem +1

      Depends on the scotch!

    • @jmantwild9373
      @jmantwild9373 Před rokem

      @@SmokeTrailsBBQ well I have two buddy's that love scotch one has a lot of money and the other is Scottish. Every time I visit them they have me trying some real high end stuff with the whole eye dropper of water thing too. I can't get over the iodine taste. I think there were two that were okay out of all of them. One was so smoky it tasted like a camp fire which covered the peat taste. The other which was the best was actually a blend called johnny walker blue label. Now that was a good one. I tried to like scotch because of Ron burgundy but I couldn't do it.😂

  • @A66Millhouse
    @A66Millhouse Před rokem +1

    How would i not notice the less smokiness but my guests will?

    • @SmokeTrailsBBQ
      @SmokeTrailsBBQ Před rokem

      Personally, I go kind of smoke blind after inhaling it all day. It's harder to taste.

  • @75pontiac45
    @75pontiac45 Před rokem +1

    I have no space in my other grill for a water pan…. Don’t know how to deal with that one…

  • @ozzynmyrtle
    @ozzynmyrtle Před rokem +2

    Glenmorangie goes with everything....

  • @waymor2460
    @waymor2460 Před rokem +1

    If you’re taking the time to smoke overnight then hold for another 10 hours why would you ever bump up smoker to 300 degrees?

    • @SmokeTrailsBBQ
      @SmokeTrailsBBQ Před rokem

      Render the fat cap

    • @waymor2460
      @waymor2460 Před rokem

      @@SmokeTrailsBBQ I think you sacrifice the texture of the beef just to render the fat cap with the higher temp. I’d trim most of the fat cap, in fact many cooks are now removing the fat cap completely to get more smoke and seasoning on the beef. Unless pressed for time I try to avoid cooking above 250. I love my pellet smoker. For more smoke I use a smoke tube which gives me 4-5 hours of extra smoke. 👍

  • @pistolpete8518
    @pistolpete8518 Před rokem +1

    Steve, I appreciate this video but it does ring a bit redundant. All things being equal, I don’t think anyone being honest with themselves (pellet grill guys included) would disagree that a stick burner brisket is “better”.
    For me, there are many factors that drive me to a pellet grill: I live in a townhome, and open flames are prohibited. My pellet grill gets the OK on a technicality.
    Also, my wife really dislikes Smokey foods, but loves everything that comes off my pellet grill. Finally convenience is a huge factor, can’t say that I could take the time needed to watch a fire on a stick burner even if the first two factors weren’t an issue.
    I’ve had plenty of high quality brisket, and for what I have access to, it isn’t so much better than what I can make at home that I don’t even bother.
    For the record, I have a pitboss 1600, smoke at 180° until “wrap”. Render the trimmed fat in a water pan under the brisket for a thermal break, and I foil boat instead of wrap to help with fat render. Finally I wrap in foil when done and rest in a low oven until ready to eat, usually about 6 hours. All in I smoke overnight and it’s about 20 hours total. Fantastic results.
    Love your content my man, learning a lot from you!

    • @SmokeTrailsBBQ
      @SmokeTrailsBBQ Před rokem +1

      Nice! Do you just keep going at 160 the whole way? I think one day I need to put a pellet and offset brisket to a test panel and see if they can tell the difference.

    • @pistolpete8518
      @pistolpete8518 Před rokem

      @@SmokeTrailsBBQ No, once I foil boat I bump the heat like you said to about 275°-300° to push past the stall. Unlike you however, I don’t have a fancy holding chest-freezer-o-matic where I can hold indefinitely, so I use my oven on low set to 170°. Fluctuates wildly but it’s what I’ve got. My family and friends leave me little leftovers, and whatever flat doesn’t get eaten same day makes into chili or tacos. Can’t argue with that.

  • @robfreeman5783
    @robfreeman5783 Před rokem +1

    Offset purists wouldn't consider an Oklahoma Joes offset a fair comparison. Tiny firebox and stack, which is attached at the top of the cook chamber, thin steel, etc. Compare the pellet to a Workhorse 1975 or at least an Old Country Brazos and we'll see how the pellet does against it. There are also so many other factors that can go into this, like using the foil boat method, or even the steam injector. Think the water pan is debunked at this point.

    • @SmokeTrailsBBQ
      @SmokeTrailsBBQ Před rokem

      I have a large trailer offset smoker as well. It's just easier to maintain temps. The flavor is the same as a smaller offset as long as you use a few tricks (large water pan, foil edges, rotate to cook more evenly etc.)

    • @PerthLuxury
      @PerthLuxury Před rokem

      Pellet can do just as well, just use smoke mode or VST and Mesquite pellets and you can get a comparable result easy.

  • @noeperez9774
    @noeperez9774 Před měsícem

    Close enough to use the pellet instead of an offset. I prefer to set and forget rather than baby sitting the offset!!!

  • @DanoWpg
    @DanoWpg Před rokem +4

    I think your results are a little skewed as the test isn't exactly equal. The pellet brisket was rested for 2 hours till it got to 150F but then you're raising the temp to hold it at 170F, for 6 hours. In comparison, the offset brisket was pulled off at 190ish and then held at 150F for over 12 hours. That extra long hold is going to have a major effect on rendering the fat inside the brisket. In my opinion, the briskets should have both been held at the same temp for around the same amount of time. Would that have changed the smokiness of the brisket? Probably not, but I think it would have rendered the fat in the brisket to the same level as the offset one and may not have made the bottom of the brisket be drier.

    • @HungryHouseCafe
      @HungryHouseCafe Před rokem +2

      I too am curious as to why the two briskets got different treatment during the hold. The different hold processes make the finer details of the results skewed. Ultimately he arrived at, both are good. But would it have been even closer if the pellet brisket had the benefit of the magical holding chest?!?

    • @SmokeTrailsBBQ
      @SmokeTrailsBBQ Před rokem +4

      I did it to level the playing field. The best pellet grill method i know vs the best offset method i know. The 18 hour hold on the back end won't work for a pellet grill brisket that's already had a 10 hour super low smoke on the front end followed by a higher temp cook to finish it. It would turn it into a 3 day cook and overcook the brisket. Additionally, if I just cooked it like an offset brisket (12 hours with no overnight smoke), it wouldn't get any smoke flavor or dark color.

  • @zenfox4it
    @zenfox4it Před rokem +1

    Smoke fat side down on pellet smoker next time

    • @SmokeTrailsBBQ
      @SmokeTrailsBBQ Před rokem

      I personally don't like to, it ruins the bark (in my opinion!)

  • @lucianobreginski2533
    @lucianobreginski2533 Před rokem +10

    Real BBQ is supposed to be simple, not easy. I don't buy this "set and forget" approach on those Wi-Fi grills. Call me old-fashioned but I see the pit master as one of the most important ingredient on the cooking bbq process, not the electricity.

    • @SmokeTrailsBBQ
      @SmokeTrailsBBQ Před rokem +2

      I agree the best results come from the skill of the guy manning the pit. Until I finish building my Aaron Franklin BBQ robot that is.

    • @bigscreenbird8198
      @bigscreenbird8198 Před rokem +5

      “Real” bbq? As opposed to what, fake bbq from a pellet smoker? Your comment is super silly. The only thing that matters is that people are getting into making their own bbq. Pellet smokers are a great way to make very delicious bbq without all the fuss of an offset.

    • @WontonRanger
      @WontonRanger Před rokem

      @@bigscreenbird8198 real bbq as in “hand made.” Like a chair that’s hand carved with each curve being meticulously placed and smoothed out from years of experience. As opposed to buying a chair from ikea and just put together lol. Or a master brewer brewing his beer. Calling it Real BBQ isn’t saying pellet smoking isn’t real. Just saying the aspect of hands on, on that level, is a very REAL experience.

    • @bigscreenbird8198
      @bigscreenbird8198 Před rokem +3

      @@WontonRanger yeah those are not good analogies. BBQ is not handmade first of all. No one ever has said a chair from ikea and a handmade walnut Maloof rocker are comparable. I can make some “REAL” good bbq out of my pellet smoker.

    • @robfreeman5783
      @robfreeman5783 Před rokem

      Not necessarily cheap either. You get what you pay for. Most people who want to BBQ don't have $2k for a good offset.

  • @mackducky
    @mackducky Před rokem +1

    The problem I have with pellet grills is obviously if they break you can't do nothing with them BUT the biggest problem I have is that on their advertisement they just say you set your temp and you place your meat on the grates and that's it but in reality all these BBQ CZcamsr went to the hassle of actually learning how to use their pellet smokers and just showing in reality how little of space you have in them because YOU HAVE TO USE A WATER PAN TO AVOID RUINING YOUR BRISKET BECAUSE OF THE RADIANT HEAT 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 exactly that's why pellet grills suck!!! You might pay for convinience but on the long run you have a subpar product because we haven't even mentioned smoke tubes and other gadgets to impart more smoke but once again when that auger jams while you're sleeping there goes your meat to the trash 😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @mattvangampler7508
      @mattvangampler7508 Před rokem

      Or just cook fat cap down. I've done a water pan, 2 briskets, and a tray the size of his full of fat to render on my traeger pro series 34. Brisket always comes out good. Hard to compare it to offset quality though

  • @Eric-lr3zj
    @Eric-lr3zj Před rokem +5

    The art of BBQ starts with tending the fire. Using a pellet smoker completely removes the art of BBQ. You’re just cooking if you aren’t tending a fire, not BBQing.

    • @SmokeTrailsBBQ
      @SmokeTrailsBBQ Před rokem +5

      I have like 15 cookers including 3 offsets. I like em all!

    • @bigscreenbird8198
      @bigscreenbird8198 Před rokem

      This is total bullshit. Anything that gets people to start enjoying and making bbq is great. Quit sounding like an elitist snob and let people do what they want.

  • @notaliberalfromcali6245
    @notaliberalfromcali6245 Před rokem +1

    Off set.. it's not even close.

  • @100smp
    @100smp Před rokem +1

    Huh?! WTF kind of question is this?! Offset cannot be beaten… unless you suck at offset smoking! PERIOD!

  • @bigscreenbird8198
    @bigscreenbird8198 Před rokem +4

    Geez all these crybaby offset guys need to chill the F out. Offsets are not the ONLY way to get great bbq. Everyone needs to calm down and let people do what they want with their own food and their own time.