A Decimal Point Decided the Fate of These Passengers... | Varig Flight 254
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“Ladies and gentlemen, we have no idea where we are!”
These are probably the last words you want to hear from your pilots and yet, but a variation of this is exactly what the passengers of Varig flight 254 were about to hear...
Now, what led up to this absurd situation is both a fascinating tale of the limitations of the human mind and a lesson in how NOT to act in a cockpit. Stay tuned.
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Can you make a video about it?
On Saturday 29 February 1964, British Eagle International Airlines Flight 802/6 crashed into the Glungezer mountain near Innsbruck, Austria.
You seemingly forgot the Admiral Cloudberg link? or im blind
But... Who won the match?
I can't actually find the link to Admiral Cloudberg.
Flying into the sunset.
CAPTAIN: "The radios aren't working correctly, the nav aids are screwed up, and now the freaking sun is in the wrong place."
I remember the part of flying into the sunset, I can’t remember who said it but an aviation expert made the comment along the lines of
“They were flying INTO the sun, wasn’t that a big clue? That they were flying the wrong way?“
Just doomed from the start because obviously, the sun was in the wrong place!
The SUN is NEVER in the wrong place 😢
@@ZombieSazza I hate when that happens.
🤣
Your luck is really fucked as an airline pilot when the sun decides to set in the wrong direction
Captain's log: The sun is in the wrong position today. The Amazon River changed places overnight. The radio stations are wrong. It feels I am the only doing it right."
👀
The usual Thinking of a Ghost Driver - unfortunately.
"Also a pretty big city was moved from the coast into the jungle, where it promptly also became invisible."
😂😂😂
well it does seem that it's what he thought
Another Brazilian here. I remember captain Garcez was initially treated as a hero for his skill landing the plane. Later we found out how his arrogance played a huge role in the disaster.
Did the passengers ever get any recognition? They seem like the real heroes here, organizing scouting parties for their own survival and rescue.
@@CWINDOWSsystem32 Yes, the survivors are recognized as heroes to this day. But the truth about this event was only known after the first officer revealed the captain's attitudes and arrogance during the flight. This accident gained notoriety again in Brazil recently, after the Brazilian aviation channel "Avioes e Músicas" by the great Lito Souza told the story of this accident and interviewed first officer Nilson Zille. The details are terrifying, unbelievable. And they show how wrong the traditions and hierarchy inside the cockpit of an airplane were at the time. In addition to details of the moment of landing. Above all, they were very lucky to survive.
did the captain ever face any consequences at all?
@@easterworshipper5579 I also want to know what happened to the captain? Flying again after further training? Flying again, no further training required?
He caused the accident.
It reminds me of when I was very young and I worked as a porter in a hospital. The surgeons used to go around to patients beds before they took them to theatre. They would write REMOVE THIS KIDNEY and DON'T REMOVE THIS KIDNEY on the patients back (or similar) with a permanent marker. They would ask the nurses and patient and the patients family to confirm.
I always thought it was very unprofessional and made them look stupid. Now I realise it was an amazing act of humility.
They then took the patient into the theatre and before disrobing them confirmed again with the nurses and the patient which side they were operating on. They then took off the patients gown and confirmed that their assessment from the day before matched the one from just now.
As a software developer we do similar checks called santity tests. Very basic quick tests to make sure nothing mad is happening.
All these pilots had to do was say "does the direction match the map and does the sun match both". Similar sanity check.
My surgeon actually had me initial my own knee to indicate that I agreed with him that it was the one that should be operated on 😅
Yep, I work in Radiotherapy and every patient before we give them their first treatment we will always ask them to confirm which part of their body they're expecting to be treated (and which side). Some of them look very confused as to why we would ask, but its just another in a long list of checks we perform every time.
Yep. Just like counting what goes into the body, and counting what comes out. It’s better to look a little goofy initially than to majorly screw up.
"Months after the accident, the flight plan Varig 254 used was shown to 21 pilots of major airlines in the world during a test conducted by the International Federation of Air Line Pilots' Associations. No fewer than 15 pilots committed the same mistake that the Varig flight 254 crew had made."
Unbelievable. The decimal being left out most of all but also how confirmation bias apparently adds additional filters to our perception, in this case filtering out very basic navigational knowledge that these pilots had used and practiced for years
which means the airlines are full with amateurs and I wonder why accidents are rare. Is this perhaps a proof that there is God?
My aviation experience is as a 20 Coast Guard helicopter flight mech with some basic aerial navigation training. Hard to believe the results of this study.
@@dcpackNever underestimate our brains ability to just accept things that seem ok. If we do not expect an error or mistake, we won't usually go looking for one. It doesn't help that we tend to get overconfident in our abilities the more experience we have either.
The pilots were on autopilot too -- and sadly, I could see myself making a similar mistake if I had a lot of other things to go through when setting something up.
"Lets see, did I input the wrong data, or did someone move a city of a million people? Hmmm, damned bureaucrats must have moved that damned city!"
"Am I so out of touch? No... it's the children who are wrong!"
And the Sun.....
Confirmation bias is powerful!
Something like that must have happened, yes.
@@NicolaW72 he's not far off on the joke about people who unironically blame "bureaucrats" for every little thing lol
As a Brazilian and a student of this accident, I'm here to tell Petter and his crew that you guys did an outstanding job, as usual. The details, the storytelling, the visuals... Hell, even the pronounce of the tricky Brazilian names were on point (with the exception of the Xingu River, which should be read as "Shin-GOO River"🙂). Thanks for showing that level of respect, Petter. That's what makes your channel stand out from others alike. We are lucky to have you as an aviation content creator. Cheers from Brazil 🇧🇷✈️
Eu aprendi por experiência própria que quando se trata de algum nome estrangeiro (no caso pra ele o nosso português) ou pra nós qualquer outra língua é melhor deixar quieto essas diferenças ou erros na pronúncia, se eu soubesse disso antes tinha evitando muita dor de cabeça pra mim mesmo
Is Carajás not pronounced as Carashas like the sh in Shingoo?
@@Ultrajuiced actually the correct form of saying that "j" letter is /ʒ/, but I decided it was too much to pick on that.
"Goiânia"
@@Ultrajuiced He's used a Spanish unique ponunciation. Our J is something between English J and SH, fitting more as just J. Put 'jewel' in google translator and listen to our 'joia'
I live in the north of England, and I used to work in a motorway service station, and the amount of (always British) people who would land at Manchester Airport, drive more than an hour north (following signs that say at the top "THE NORTH"), stop to ask me how much further it was to London, and then argue when I told them they were going the wrong way, makes this accident totally believable. I'm shocked it wasn't more common before GPS and near-total radar coverage.
About going the wrong way, a couple or so times when I have been driving I have had to detour because of an accident or fire blocking my usual route. I have found myself in unfamiliar territory and have sometimes driven several blocks in the wrong direction, but eventually I say to myself "this isn't right", turn around, and after a bit find my way back home. RogerC 5/27/24
@Miss-Kitty-Cat
I understand your point and it is shocking how ill-informed British people are when it comes to geography but for 2 pilots to make this mistake really is incredible. I have been 'navigating' for at least 60 years, everything from map reading in the scouts to navigating ships as a profession for 50 years and navigating planes as a private pilot for 40 years. As many others have mentioned, I just can't understand how 2 qualified pilots could have made this mistake. The only saving grace is that they managed to crash in a fairly controlled manner saving most of the lives on board. In this particular accident it was probably better that they did run the tanks dry to prevent a fire.
I just had a new insight on patients having the wrong limb operated. Its not a simple 'mistake'. Indeed that's someone with laterality problems in the chain of events :(
@@colins2 Indeed the only fatalities were because of the detachinhg of the seats, besides to one passenger having just been standing when the plane landed
I don't believe a word of this! Nobody stops at the services to ask how far it is to their destination. People get lost of course, or take the wrong slip road and end up joining the motorway in the wrong direction, but not as simple as they don't realise they are going north instead of south. I once missed the exit to Stansted airport and was stuck going north on the M11 until I could find a junction to get off and turn, about a 14 mile detour if I remember, but I knew I was going the wrong way I just didn't know how to fix it.
These passengers are definitely the most proactive crash victims I have heard of. They were sending expeditions, found water, found a way to contact authorities. Basically, rescued themselves.
“You are your own first responder” “when seconds count the cops are minutes away” etc etc.
There's another example of that, and it's the passengers of the Uruguayan flight that crashed into the Andes mountains, there are two movies about that, one it's called "Viven" (I don't know how it's called in English) and the most recent is "The society of the snow".
@@josuegavi I don't speak the language and never saw it, but the movie "Viven" translates to "Alive" in English. It's a film about the 1972 Andes plane crash and the survival story of the Uruguayan rugby team members who were on board. The movie is based on the true events and the book "Alive" by Piers Paul Read.
@@AfricanLionBat yeah! That same movie! It's a very hard story and a great, great example of the survival instinct kicking in and helping people to achieve things that are at the most extreme levels of the human capacity. Both "Alive" and "The society of the snow" are such great productions (I've only watched them once, very hard story).
@@AfricanLionBattechnically ’Viven’ translates to ‘Live’….
I don't know what part of this incident is more ridiculous, the fact that a missing decimal caused this, the lack of what you would think is basic navigational sense or the understanding that you're absolutely lost and going to crash in a rainforest but still not informing anyone.
It is, ironically, still pure dumb luck that they had a forest surveyer passenger and that they were actually just a few kilometers out on an open field manned by a farmer.
If this wasn't posted here at Mentour Pilot, I would think Hollywood is going crazy at it again.
"Brazil"
@@velisvideos6208 😆
I can understand the initial heading mistake, but everything after that is unforgivable
They were lucky, that they found the farmer who had a neighbor w/ a ham radio, rather than some lost cannibalitic tribe of natives!
A missing decimal is pretty serious, it also caused a Saturn V rocket to crash.
I read once there were passengers who were used to take this flight often and found it weird that the sun was being seen on the wrong side of the plane, but were ignored. A sad and bizarre story.
I was captain of an EMB121 back then, operating from SBBE. Garcez was "famous" among his colleagues as someone prone to end in trouble. There was a certain "macho" culture spread among all jungle flyers that extended from Cherokee and Cessna pilots all the ladder upto the Fokker, Bandeirante and Boeing captains that was very strong.
In 1992 I was operating the same model from SBJR and we used to shoot NDB departures and approaches basically everyday. I currently work at LILR. The NDB still works and we use it to give students an improvement of situational awareness.
i've heard Zille talking about how it was a very "militarized" hierarchy back then, is it true or is he BSing? i mean, in general, not just Garcez
"The Captain was not worried. He was supremely confident in his navigational skills."
The First Officer, not so much.
@@YankeeRebel1348flight plan errors - 1
Pilot errors - too numerous to count
I think the pilot was to arrogant to declare an emergency.
As a commercial pilot I sadly admit that I have met a few 'low functioning' pilots in my lifetime. Clearly these two pilots fit into that category.
@@brucewilliamsstudio4932
Unfortunately this is very common in most trades. Often it is hard to identify someone that is low functioning. The captain was a former military pilot. Usually that indicates high function. There are supervisors that at some level prefer lower functional subordinates. This is due to the supervisors own low function or insecurity.
(Note, if good CRM existed it would be obvious that the first officer is low functioning. But with the power gradient that existed it is possible that the first officer felt so suppressed that he didn't bother to engage in critical thinking until the reality of the situation slapped him in the face.)
@@barbarachambers7974 Indeed. It would have meant to "loose his Face". So he digged himself and all the others on board deeper and deeper into the hole.
Lost scenarios like this are why we teach our students to "Climb, Conserve, Confess" if they get lost. Getting yelled at for poor navigation practice is better than being dead.
Indeed, exactly.
How do you know?
@@MothaLuvaoh do you think you'd be better off dead?
I know of at least two fatal crashes of pilots losing their bearings in my country. One: Aeropostal 108 they input bearing 152 when they meant 192, newfangled LCD display made 5 and 9 too similar, and a horrible cockpit opposite of sterile, got in the clouds realized too late the mistake and crashed the mountain. The other Santa Barbara 518 was in a hurry and skipped take off checks, including a critical time wait to allow re-calibration for a navigational instrument, got into the clouds lost himself crashing the mountain.
Unless you’re married to my wife
I'm a Brazilian and a private pilot, so that means I know this story backwards and forward... but I really enjoyed listening to it in your particular voice, with every relevant technical aspect covered so well
Did you get you PPL from Brazil?
@@isaacpestpreacher5175 yes :)
@@isaacpestpreacher5175 yes :)
okay tell the story backwards then
@@noticiasinmundicias 😂
I was a pilot in Brazil when this accident happened and heard two interesting stories about it. First, the pilot was out on holidays when the decimals were added to the bearings and missed the instruction briefings. No one bothered to warn him about the switch. Second, this same pilot had been on an incident a few weeks before this accident. His plane hit a staircase while taxiing. As it was common practice at Varig, he was put to make the worst flights, as a punishment for this mistake.
PUNISHMENT
Incredible story of how CRM is so important.
The copilot's career stopped too early because of this accident. He is now going everywhere in Brazil speaking about the importance of CRM to new pilots and telling his side of the story.
I didn’t know he did that. Thanks
@@MentourPilot I never remember if they speak Spanish or Portuguese in Brazil, but you can find an extensive interview with Copilot Zille here on CZcams. Nilson Zille, and his story is extremely interesting. He actually realized kind of early where they might be, but the Capt ignored him so he shut up about it. He also told that a few of the pax had thoughts about travelling into the sun when they were supposed to go north.
@@user-yi3yx2fn7g we speak Portuguese
@@user-yi3yx2fn7g Portuguese. The language code is "pt-BR", that's how I remember it.
@@AsdayasmanExactly, brasilian portugese.
I'm speechless. If this was a movie everyone would say this is too absurd.
Yes, indeed. But as another Commenter here wrode in this Forum: Reality doesn´t need Plausibility.
Same here. I am without speech. Unbelievable
Mind blowing that they never even tried to ask for help on the radio....
this event should provide enough material for @least 1 movie 🎥🤪👍🏽
It is strange that he didn't check the thing that determines where the place flies!
8:45 As a dude who aced the land nav course at Benning, watched the map showing where the cities are, and knows more than a little bit about Brazil, I saw that "0270" on the nav table, and said, "this moron is about to fly due west out of here and run out of gas in the middle of the Amazon"
As a truck driver, i remember times when i was completely lost and not sure if i would come up on a low clearance bridge or tirn not made for trucks. My stomach was in knots. I can't fathom what they went thru.
As a Brazilian commercial pilot, I can say with 100% accuracy that this accident is the number 1 case study regarding CRM (or the lack of it) here. Back when I graduated in Civil Aviation (2003 to 2005) I remember a class when we spent more than 2 hours discussing this accident. The stubborness and arrogation of cpt. Garces is astonishing. Unfortunately, the FO (the reasonable one in the cockpit) was never able to land another job as an Airline Pilot after this accident.
Thanks for the info. I did wonder what happened after this event. I can only express empathy for the way he has been treated.
Where does the sun rising in the east and setting in the west case study rank?
The main problem wasn't arrogance or stubbornness. It was not realising that flying 270 degrees was the wrong direction.
@@ajs41the main problem was idiots were hired to fly
@@noheaderthe airline should be blamed for overworking pilots
This has to rank as one of the most bizarre accident in aviation history.
It's up there. It really came down to one mistake which led to a complete and total blunder of not orienting the river with the sun. But it's somewhat understandable as they are trained to fly by their instruments and not by outside cues. So in a high stress situation and hoping beyond hope you are going the right direction it's actually pretty easy to understand how the radio frequencies made them disregard common sense.
I put the alligator crashing the plane at the top of the list. And Air France 447 slightly above this one based on how a airline pilot could pull back on the stick from cruising level til impact. That is by far the most egregious pilot error I've ever heard of. That is like ground school day 1 type stuff and he did it as a commercial pilot. That and the confirmation bias of the other pilot that it was the right thing to do once he fought for control and got the plane to finally believe they were at the attitude it was saying causing the stall warning to come on and shut off when the pilot pulled back on the stick getting the plane in an attitude it simply didn't belive was possible so it would quit sounding. The pilots in the video didn't give much consideration to navigate and communicate but the air France pilots didn't give much if any to the 1st one, aviate and very little to communicate.
I raise you the Let-410 crash in DR Congo. A freaking crocodile had been smuggled on board in a duffle bag and it escaped. The resulting stampede towards the fromt of the plane caused it to nosedive and crash.
Indeed, exactly. And you cannot explain everything of it with confirmation bias and get-there-itis - not following established procedures, lack of CRM and not at least simply Stupidity played a huge role here.
It’s up there, but the plane that crashed because they forgot to factor the difference between magnetic north and true north ranks just a little higher for me.
This group of passengers were incredibly resilient. They recovered from the fear and went to work doing what they needed to fast. And even went swimming.
That was a great retelling of the facts! Also, due to this accident, it is now mandatory for flight attendants in Brazil to be certified with a jungle survival course. I did one during the flight attendant course, it is very taxing but also teaches some really important stuff.
The production value is just off the charts. Most TV shows wish they were this smooth.
Love the vintage TV at 14:09. Mentour doesn't have to go that hard, but he does.
@@barbarawilcox182 I wonder what animator/illustrator he uses? That guy's got talent.
@@kjh23gk It's AI generated art. Take a look at the fine details e.g. how that guy is holding the transmitter and generally the awkward hand positioning in some of them. He's been using similar stuff in other recent videos.
@@teotsi21 He was called out a few weeks ago and abstained since, but now has returned to such an unethical practice. Curious he won't admit to it, eh?
He values talent when it comes to his workplace, but doesn't value artists. I guess he might have a "I didn't think the leopards would eat MY face" moment when AI starts flying planes.
I usually agree, Mentour Pilot's artwork and graphics almost always looks really great. But i found this video to be far below his usual average animation quality. It was very distracting that the forest shown in the animations had absolutely no resemblance with a tropical rain forest. Tropical rain forest is a multi-storied forest with a dense undergrowth. Unless in a less dense forest in a temperate climate, you cannot see the ground from above tropical rain forest, nor the sky from below. I had to constantlantly remind myself "this happened in the jungle" because the images so strongly indicated the exact opposite.
"This was a true testament to how easy it is to dig yourself deeper into a hole when the right thing to do is to get out, look around with a fresh perspective, and start all over again"
It's always these philosophical tidbits that I look forward to, I am not a pilot, but watching Petter's videos is always so amazingly educational that you can always learn something from it and apply it in life.
Another great one Petter! Kudos to you and the team as always.
Thank you! I’m hoping it helps someone out there. That’s the point of them.
@@MentourPilot you're such a precious gem, one of the greatest teachers we're blessed to be alive with at the same time and I mean that fully. You're helping people in more ways than you could ever imagine. Wishing nothing but the best for you, Captain!
@@firstnamelastname5474 true, but I wonder if he can sleep well at night?
I'm not a pilot either but these videos make me feel like I could pilot a star ship!
that philosophy applies to other fields as well. It's always ideal to take a step back and think about your situation!
I am a pilot, was trained mostly with the military. I always made a habit in my flight planning stage to find my destination on the map, and take a "bearing" in my mind, then confirmed with the compass. I was flying prior to the introduction of GPS. I guess I am one of the "strange" ones, I kind of liked flying the NDB. To me, it was not that much different than VOR. As long as you have the numbers and approach plates to go along with them. Of course, GPS makes is so much easier, but also, makes pilots that much more lazy. They assume that everything will go fine and just plug in the destination airport and fly the pretty line on the screen. (I also enjoy that, but, that was ALWAYS the last part of my planning). Thank you "mentor" for your videos. I watch most of them, don't reply much.....This flight really "pissed" me off because of how stupid it was. Yes, we have all the correct "terms" to use, but the fact was, the pilots just did not do the dam basics....in planning, in CRM, with pilot decision-making, with believing their instruments, which kind of important when flying instruments. TWO "EXPERIENCED" pilots, and neither of them did just the BASICS.............AND PEOPLE DIED BECAUSE OF IT, MANY LIVES CHANGED FOREVER
"LIFE IS TOUGH, IT IS TOUGHER IF YOU ARE STUPID"..... THANK YOU Mentor for all your videos and your input on them. God bless, be safe.
Absolutely right. It made me angry too. As an engineer, we do a lot of complex calculations, but in the end, we always sit back and ask ourselves "Is my answer reasonable?" Flying into the setting sun when wanting to head NE is simply not reasonable. Those pilots never got a mental map of where they were going.
@@paullindberg7242 An earlier generation talked about _sanity check_ .
10*10 = 100
11*11 = 12100
Well...😁
I don't think it's a generational thing. It's people who are detail-oriented versus people who like to go by feel.
I'm the former so I'm always looking for alternate, independent data points to validate my initial thinking.
For example, despite having GPS, I'm always double checking that what the GPS is showing matches up to what I'm expecting in terms of the general direction. While it's very rare for the GPS itself to not work, its database of roads can be inaccurate at times, and occasionally I put in the wrong destination, e.g. 2 stores with the same name but it opposite directions.
@@djinn666 Yes and no. In my profession (radiotherapy), its increasingly technical, computerised and automated. More experienced radiographers understand the theory and background knowledge behind this because they used to have to do it manually. Less experienced radiographers will push the buttons and trust the computer to do it for them and as such are less likely to realise when something could be a potential issue.
But I agree some people are more detail orientated. I would class myself in that category, but I simply don't have the old school knowledge that my more experienced colleagues do.
9:20 This makes me think that pilot training should contain tasks where the input data is intentionally so incorrect that the students should be able to figure it out and ask for clarification. If students learn that all input given by somebody else is always correct, they will never learn to always verify if any input they receive seems to make sense in big picture.
Of course, such a sanity check cannot fix small problems but those are probably not dangerous enough to create a safety issue, unlike flying in totally incorrect direction and potentially running out of fuel even if they notice the problem later. And if something this happens in mountain range, then it could turn fatal very fast.
Indeed, exactly.
We are going in the exact reverse direction of that. People are becoming more and more like robots, without any independent thinking. Only work in a preset routine.
What I find most amazing was just how resilient the plane was. Even with all the adverse conditions, it still landed with a lot of survivors.
They don’t build them like that anymore
it also helps that they're out of fuel, so no explosion
Being a smaller plane probably helps too, less total kinetic energy that can go into deforming the structure before it comes to a halt.
@@bigdata9605I'm sure all my colleagues are tired of hearing me say this.
The Morse message being displayed in the video at 3:10 is PLEASE/SUBSCRIBE!
🤘🏻😁😁😁
@@MentourPilot what a fascinating easter egg 😊 a cherry on the pie of a perfect storytelling, visualization and technical explanation 😊😊😊😊😊
@MentourPilot , for the touch of class I have just subscribed
You simply cannot stress enough just how incredibly lucky this accident turned out to be. The fact that only 12 people ended up dying is truly incredible, and to think of what wouldve happened if they had continued straight west, instead of turning south...they couldve quite literally been trapped for weeks.
Great episode, thank you for covering it. This was one of the craziest plane crashes in Brazil, but if you have time, I'd very much like to see your take on the 3 most recent, and unfortunately, deadliest ones there: TAM flights 402 (Fokker-100, reversor deployed during takeoff) and 3054 (A320 runway overrun while landing in bad weather with a very strange engine behavior), and GOL 1907 (737NG cruise-altitude collision with a private Embraer Legacy 600).
The level of these videos is INSANE 🔥🔥 ! As a boy who dreams to be a pilot one day, your videos help me a lot . Thank you so much peter and the team for their hardwork 🙏
Persistence make dreams a reality. Keep dreaming and keep persisting. Enjoy!
@@MentourPilot thx¬!
You are 'legendary'. And always learn to keep a paper chart on flights. Every aid could fail. Then you have that chart.
Good luck there young fella... I hope you can realise your dream.
Pros like Captain Hornfeldt here set a great example and knowing the next generation takes such a keen interest learning from him give me such a sense of confidence that there are plenty of young people out there using the internet for more than social media and p*rn.
I work in the world of elite performing arts, with a focus on finding young talent and some of the skills I see kids learning are truly superhuman. I'm amazed by the quality of upcoming talent on a daily basis. Largely that's thanks to the essentially free access to all of the knowledge and examples, from the world's very best professionals in their respective discipline and it's things like that which give me hope that the future is going to be okay.
If young people are given the resources, the examples and (critically) the encouragement to succeed... The talent always rises to the top.
I'm so sick of hearing people of my age (I'm 37) naysaying the potential of the next generation and writing off the amazing access to the internet as merely rotting the minds of our kids.
A little bit of encouragement goes a long way and I encourage you to make the most of this technological age we're living in. Make tomorrow a better place to be than today and achieve your dreams young man, it's never been more possible than it is right now.
Good luck mate :)
Drinking my coffee and almost spit it out and Mentour Pilot says “I’m sure you almost spit out your coffee”. Me looking around to see if he’s in my house 😅
Omigosh ! I was drinking coffee too. good thing I had set my cup down at that part.
I'm mountaineering guide and when I was in, both, general mountaineering school and mountaineering guide training, main focus was on map, compass and triangulation. But recently, we shifted our focus little bit to common sense specifically to avoid mistakes like this. If you check your map periodically, you can basically locate yourself more precise than with compass triangulation. You can also early detect any drift and if you are aware your surrounding, you can both, sanity check your compass triangulation if one is needed and locate yourself more precise inside triangle you get with triangulation.
Common sense is most important navigation instrument.
Yeah, once we were stuck at Rifugio Cassati (which is located in the middle of a large glacier plateau) in dense clouds and decided to ski down the Langenferner to the Rifugio Nino Corsi since the weather was no good for climbing any of surrounding 11&12,000ft mountains. Our guide was quite young and inexperienced and ended up using the wrong edge of his compass to get his bearing on his printed map, so he departed at an angle of 90° to the correct course, almost like in the video: in this case he went SE, but should have gone NE. It took him several minutes to realize that he was going slightly uphill while the plan was to go slightly downhill. So 90° errors like this can even happen to professionals (even though they are indeed extremely rare). Exactly as you say, his common sense (up or down?) told him "something must be wrong here", so he stopped and re-checked the map and compass and of course promptly discovered and corrected the mistake.
My father told me later he noticed right away something was off when departing from the hut because he knew that particular mountain hut very well, including how exactly the building is oriented. He chose not to intervene because he knew for sure there was nothing dangerous on the glacier for the first km or so and he wanted to see what would happen. And for sure nothing much happened at all: the professional just used his common sense, soon found his own mistake, corrected it way before there was the slightest danger, and apologized.
Not using common sense was likely among the worst contributing factors in this video: Does the heading of 270° make any sense? Should we be flying into the sunset? Are there any forests North of Belem? Is there more than one river in the Amazon basin? If we have flown to the West, made a U-turn to the East, and then reach the Amazon, should we then really turn right along the river? (Hint: no, even if it actually were the Amazon, turning left along the river would make more sense.) 🤔
Belem is a city of 1.5 million people and a state capital. Hard to believe Varig flight crew wouldn't know where it was.
They knew where bellem was. They just didn't know where THEY were.
That was 1989 with limited navigational tecnology.Underneath there was no city light as it was the largest forest in the world..Imagine and understand anyone can lost the way.They input wrong cordinates in plane"s navigational computer before the flight took off.They were going wrong direction from the start
@@indianfan1029 Indeed, exactly.
The cockpit recording gives me chills. The captain informs the passengers that they are lost and running out of fuel and then proceeds to say “have a good end”. 😳
imagine being a passenger two hours into a 40 minute flight. freaky.
Happens a lot with diversions due to poor flying weather conditions
@@peteking8063 Yeah, but usually with a deliberate diversion the captain would communicate that to the passengers at some point...
I’d hope at least they consider back-tracking if the conditions are bad enough or if they get lost (Taking in account they’re not past some point of not return), but as Petter said they dug themselves into a deeper hole.
@@Comradez correct
"Today marks the 700th's anniversary of our 5 year cruise" -The Captain, Wall-E
I was lost in a rural area at night in New England, pre gps, and was sure I was going in the right direction because i recognized some of the little town names I was driving through but they were a little off. After a LONG time I figured it out… i was in the WRONG state!
Just heard about the part of the pilots relaying info about the soccer match, and I've had something similar happen on a flight as well!
I was on a flight to South Africa from Australia about 16 years ago, and during the first meal service, the pilots came on the intercom to give an update about a cricket game that was in progress (I think that South Africa was definitely playing), and they did make a point to mention that the info came from ATC specifically.
Those pilots were awesome, because they also gave a sweet farewell when we left the plane in Johannesburg, but they did jokingly rag about the late departure to SA because of connecting passengers being late (which included my family and I, lol)
Small things, but I still remember that flight nearly 20 years later, so a little personality went a long way to make it so memorable.
The first officer gave an interview recently where he mentioned the captain forbade him to say they were lost to ATC. Afterwards he announced the passengers should be ready and he would see them on the other side. Blood chilling
"We are not 'lost'; we are just experiencing technical difficulties with our navigation equipment."
@@danielbishop1863 the nut behind the yoke
He told the FO he would see him on the other side. To the passengers he said “I wish all of us a good ending”. The clip were he makes this PA is available on yt.
@@Tmeout Where? What's the name of the channel that has that interview? Why not share that info?
@@lisahinton9682I’m not the one who talked about the interview. Still, that FO gives lots of interviews and I think he even wrote a book about his side of the story. You can search for it by his name, “Nilson Zille”. I think anything you find will be in portuguese, though.
“We’re going down? … cocktails!”
What a fantastically weird event.
ikr. I totally wasn't expecting that.
Then you are stuck in the jungle with these people for several days
If you were going down in an airliner, wouldn't you want to be drunk?
It's like the Baker (Charles Joughin) on the Titanic getting totally sauced before she sank. Since it's a known fact that the relaxation of muscles caused by extreme inebriation makes drunk drivers more likely to survive their accidents than their victims are, I wonder if it actually helped some of them survive...
@@marinareilly-collette2490 : I was just about to make the same reference, but you beat me to it. Alcohol can disable a person's panic reaction, which is helpful in situations where conserving physical energy is needed for survival.
You are the only channel, of all subjects, that produces such a consistent page turner that you fulfill every minute of the video. Thank you!
Brazilian here, I was about 20 years old when that happened, and the company was from the very state I was born. Nowadays the flight industry in Brazil is at international level, but back then it was not up to par, and I can see the pilot initially applying the "Brazilian way", we say "dar um jeitinho" to fix situations using off the book methods, and then later realizing how screwed they got and even became afraid of career implications for declaring an emergency. A total mess. So sorry for the ones losing their lives in this gross error. I don't remember hearing a lot in the news about this accident (and may be I wasn't paying much attention back then in 1989) but traffic accidents were at a high number "making the news", probably shadowing it. Glad we are far from those days in Brazil, now the flight industry is very safe, similar to any first world country, thanks to investments and progress in technology.
these videos are better than most aviation movies while teaching you the most interesting things
Absolutely🤔👌👍
Yes, because Petter isn't going for drama, he's going for information and letting what really happened create the drama.
I've been watching his episodes for a while now and they are amazingly produced. The only fault with this one was the music level at the very end.
@@orion_13I was thinking the exact same thing.
indeed
As an Amazonian person, living near the Xingu River, and who dreams of being a pilot someday, I can't thank you enough for this video, Peter!
Your accent when saying 'Goiânia', which is the city where I was born, sounds really amusing to me.
But that was the only part where I remembered that you're not from here.
Because on the whole video, I was amazed at how much details you could find.
I've been looking on stuff about this accident for years. Yet you managed to bring up some details that I never knew of.
I really liked the part where you debunked the theory that the pilots were listening to the match, a theory in which some Brazilian people still believes to this day.
I knew only about ATC, especially in Maraba being accused of paying more attention to the match than the plane.
Your videos are great. As a MSFS pilot I learn something every video you upload. Great work!!!
Man just imagining a cold and dark aircraft slowly descending into the darkness with an impending imminent impact, just sent shivers up my spine. 🥺
Dont imagine 🙂
I never got past that two pilots who were supposed to fly north were perfectly comfortable flying into the sunset.
ikr. That part staggers the mind.
Absolute clowns. Same as the GPS drivers who will drive their car into a lake instead of using common sense.
@joelazaro461 I tell everyone coming to my place to not trust GPS, and then I give them directions. At best it will take them 10 or 20 miles out of their way, or it may take them to an address 20 miles to my NE. At worst it will get them stuck in a bog.
15 to 20 percent of people will still use GPS. One lady even blamed me for her getting stuck(she dug herself in to her frame) and expected me to do something to get her out.
This event is well known in Brazil. The captain was known for being arrogant and intolerant with what he considered insubordination. It’s very much likely that he did realize the course was wrong early on, but his pride stopped him from admitting such a stupid mistake. And certainly the first officer noticed too, but was too affraid to challenge the captain’s authority. There were events during the investigation that weren’t told on the video. The captain threatened the first officer to force him to back up his version. He never spoke to the press and remained arrogant to this date. I don’t know if he arleady passed away or not.
Anyway, the pilots’ version was s way too absurd to be believable. What really happened was pure arrogance, stubbornness and cowardice.
Exactly what I thought
Hello Petter, I’m a Brazilian fan. Thank you so much for bringing this video. It’s an accident that socked so much the country, just like Tam 4057 and Gol 1907. Varig was your flag carrier during the 60s until the bankruptcy, in 2006. Thank you so much!
Indeed great video. But this one was entirely caused by human factors and avoidable.
not sure if you meant Tam 402, or Tam 3054 here, cousin (as I am also a Ribeiro myself 😁)
@@claudemiropacheco Exactly.
I am Brazilian too, I was in my 3rd year of university, and I remember watching the news on the search for the aircraft. By the way, the pronunciation for "Marabá", "Imperatriz" and "Belém" in the video is just perfect.
@@AntonioQuevedo His 'Brasilia', 'Uberaba' and 'Radio Liberal' pronunciations are quite on point too!
This channel has recently become one of my favourites on CZcams. As someone from a non-aviation background, the way you explain things is just superb. Keep it up, Petter!😄
From what I've heard, there was actually a passenger who realized they've been heading in a wrong direction long before the pilots did, by recognizing some landmarks. He was ignored.
Hello Petter - I was impressed by your "situational awareness". As I spat my coffee out in amazement to the course heading error, you actually predicted this in your commentary!!
Haha! Yeah, I guessed that might happen
From a doctor: we are required to be extremely precise with decimal places and zeros when ordering medications or writing prescriptions. In my hospital an elderly patient died from being given 10 times the correct dose for his age. Another young healthy patient fortunately survived a milligrams dose of adrenaline instead of the micrograms he should have been given with cardiac resuscitation. Precision is critical. And yes, I did spit out my tea!
I’ve seen a vet make the same mistake, 10x the valium dose for cat size. Thankfully, it just led to a very stoned cat - we quickly noticed it seemed way too strong, so we took her back in and the clinic’s other vet was on duty and caught the dosage mistake.
It's interesting how often the issues Petter uncovers in aviation apply in medicine, and other areas
I recall a radiation therapy patient accidently given a lethal dose because of a mistyped exposure amount, I was shocked that the machine's software just accepted whatever value was entered without any "That's a big number - are you sure?". When I used to code things I always included what I called a sanity-check on non-normal values.
Changing it to 4 digits without a decimal point was a very poor decision.
I wonder if the decision was based on the thought that the extra bit of ink over many thousands of papers would become significant.
The experience of the passengers must have been astonishing. For me, it is a real-life story and that no one would believe if they were to tell this incident . Thanks Captain Peter for entertaining us. Your hardwork is appreciated by many!
Another spectacular episode. I always sit up when Petr says "This fact will become very important later on."
Great! That’s the point 😂
I listen to him better than my teachers 😅
I like it because I can spend the next few minutes wondering, ok, how could that* be the mistake here . . .
Yes, Chekhov's Gun in this instance is Chekov's NAVAID NOTAM
ohmygod Petr's ominous foreshadow catch phrases are my favorite lol
Being a surveyor and using GPS to survey, i still use my key chain compass to see where north is. Flying into the sun at heading 270 is a mighty colossal blunder. I know 45 degrees is north east and if you have a hi qulaity compass where you can adjust for declination, you can navigafe quite well. I did in my younger years as a hunter in northern ontario bush. Being a surveyor is one of the most inportant parts...navigatjon. i love how you give such great detail in these videos.
@mentourpilot your video is very precise. My name is Marcelo DaSilva and I was member of the rescue team (Para-Sar) that found the airplane in the jungle, I still have many pictures of the accident and I remember that day like was today. Great job.
As I spent most of my teens in Scouts, becoming quite proficient at reading maps, navigating, & orienteering, but even before that I found that I could visualise things in 3-Dimensions, which is why I ended up doing design & art! If my school hadn't scheduled Art at the same time as Technical-Drawing, I think I may have become an engineer instead of manufacturing jewellery, because I really enjoyed calculus & differential equations (but don't ask me to do any after almost 50yrs!).
However, some people like me have a really good sense of direction, with or without a map, while others will get lost i a shopping centre/mall!
well said there Stevie,something to think about😮
I learned something today. Situational awareness is a crazy thing, even though they definitely knew Belem was to the north they were more than happy to fly more than an hour straight west and then to the south just because their own biases threw them that way. I found myself doing that in exams, just forcing an answer into my own bias instead of taking a very close look to the actual question. This video has helped me more in my ppl exams than actual theory books.
I was in a high school class, where half the class was a member of the "donut club" when our own bias resulted in not actually reading the instructions on a test, and giving completely wrong answers.
Not just flying west but flying west into the sunset. Every bit of basic knowledge of how the sun and earth interact should have been screaming at them that they were flying in the wrong direction.
It's easy to monday morning quarterback a detail like that (even though you are wrong, it should have been northeast) but you have to remember they been flying in a zigzag pattern all day so seeing the sun in the wrong location wouldn't be as alarming to someone who is flying their first flight of the day. Also remember an ifr pilot is trained to fly without looking out the windows so visual cues wouldnt be as noticeable/concerning as it would be to a nonpilot or vfr pilot for thay matter. Mistaking that river for the Amazon was pretty egregious but by then their stress level would have been through the roof making confirmation bias that much more intense. My biggest problem wasn't even the mistakes that got then in the situation they were in. They were mistakes. Everyone makes them. What I have a problem with is them not sending out a mayday. That's something they made a conscious effort not to do which may or may not have cost a life or two.
@@bradsanders407 here's a thing. The front windows on a 747 have a wide enough field of view that the setting sun would be visible to the pilots.
@@bradsanders407 270 is straight west, 027 is between north and northeast. Still my point is that people know the general location of things in their country. If I have to go from Barcelona to Madrid and my heading is 90 degrees I should suspect something is not quite right.
The level of quality of these videos is astounding. Something that my flight trainers always told me was that my flight plans need to make sense, if your destination is northeast of your origin then you should fly Northeast. Looks like this pilot forgot that
Correct
I love this channel, I've been binging on the older video and you explain it all so clearly and always provide all the info needed to make sense of what is happening as it was happening. I swear i could tell what speeds for take off and landing, what positions the flaps must be in, in an emergency, and with some help i might even be able to land a big jet! No really i enjoy all the detail presented so i can grasp it. Thanks for all the hard work you and your team do, it shows in the quality.
I was anxious waiting for the day you would tell us this history! As a Brazilian and an aviation fan I already watched videos and interviews about this accident. Thank tou for showing details that I didn’t hear any where else. It is also sad to watch interviews from the FO (the Captain made sure to never say a word as he also knew all the mistakes he did and the hierarchy that he never left behind, even when needed). Nilson Zille, the FO, has a book and a bunch of interviews where he tells us everything that was said in the cockpit, after the accident when he woke up from his head injury AND after being rescued (reports needed to be written, right?). Thank you for all your work Petter. It ia amazing to hear our history from overseas 🇧🇷
The thin line between confidence and arrogance is probably the most important psychological factor to balance when you’re a pilot. And it’s something that everyone around that pilot should know and frequently reevaluate.
Indeed, exactly.
Arrogance is confidence for Latinos.
As a Brazilian, you have no ideia how much I wanted to see this story in the channel. I'm watching it with a smile on my face, just like a child who was gifted a with new toy.
Also, it creeps me out everytime I hear or remender the last capitain's words in his PA (which were in portuguese, of course): "we hope this is all just a bad dream. May we all have a good end".
You and me both, pal! :D
Concordo.
This channel should be mandatory training for flight crews and ATC. Excellent production quality and accurate details. Your analysis takes accident investigation to a new level. Thanks.
Shortwave propagation refers to the ability of radio signals to travel long distances through the Earth's atmosphere, particularly at night. During the day, the sun's radiation ionizes the atmosphere, creating a layer of charged particles that absorb and scatter radio waves. However, at night, this layer dissipates, allowing radio signals to travel farther without being absorbed or scattered. This enables radio stations to be received at much greater distances than would be possible during the day.
This phenomenon is particularly noticeable on the shortwave frequency bands (2.3-26.1 MHz), which are used for long-distance communication and broadcasting. As a result, many radio enthusiasts and hobbyists enjoy listening to distant radio stations at night, taking advantage of the improved propagation conditions.
I had many friends in the aviation industry when I lived in Brazil at the time of this accident and a buddy of mine knew two Flight attendants that were on that airplane. He recounted their ordeal and also said that more than one passenger noticed and pointed out to them that the plane was flying in the wrong direction but they did not believe it, and therefore did not reach out to the pilots.
I’ve never considered getting lost in a plane before and now I’m convinced it’s something that would happen to me in the alternate universe where I became a pilot
😂😂😂
The episodes on this channel where the pilots get lost are always the weirdest for me. Seems like misplacing an elephant in your apartment. How does one not know where a giant multi-tonne machine is?
@@RavenMobileI mean, without GPS? That one piece of technology is basically dark magic (eg., did you know that it corrects for _time dilation_ experienced by the fast-flying satellites? 🤯), and we all rely on it to a colossal degree. Nothing else can quite just tell you with certainty what your absolute position is without a _lot_ more legwork and general complexity. And now imagine you're flying over the repetitive, vast expanse of the Amazon rainforest, in the dark...
I'm not saying they didn't eff up, they did (and majorly), but let's not trivialise how tricky navigation sans GPS can be :)
Honestly I felt the same thing. Inputting 270 instead of 27.0 is something that would happen to me, particularly if it was as ambiguous as the format they used. I am confident, however, that I would get the clue of the Sun setting "North".
Petter, you have done it again. Every time I think I can't watch a crazier story you come up with something that floors me!! What an unbelievable story! Fantastic vide - as always!!!
Brazilian here. That accident is very famous in Brazil and this video was spot on. Unfortunatelly I have to say that the lack of radar and navaids is STILL a thing in the whole region north of Brasilia (central Brazil) and it was a factor on the more deadly (and extremely high profile) GOL 1907 accident in 2006 where a 737-800 and an Embraer Legacy had a mid-air collision over the same region (the Legacy managed to land but the 737 had half of its left wing ripped apart and crashed)
As a software engineer, one of the first lessons I learnt was to pay special attention to decimal places. I wrote software that was scheduling the maintenance on equipment. There was dropdown with the usual minutes, hours, days, weeks, months and a text box to put the value in. An engineer entered 0.5 years while I had tested for 6 months. You can imagine what happened.
Also a software dev and this is the reason why I go by the rule: give people a text box and you'll get the most horrendous inputs known to humanity. Your example is a great showcase of how any input types other than a text box (e.g. drop down, etc) should be preferred as they can offer much better UX and reduce the surface area for errors. Thanks for sharing
Well, this is not a mundane detail, Michael!
That’s how you end up in a federal pound me in the A$$ prison
Ex software guy here, no, I cannot omsagine what happened. So, what did happen?
@@alanhaywood01 4 possibilities present themselves:
a) it gets parsed as 0 years; a maintenance interval of 0 would mean that the equipment would always be flagged as "needing maintenance", raising some eyebrows and someone chasing down that issue before it actually turns into a problem
b) it gets parsed as 0 years; a maintenance interval of 0 is interpreted as "does not need maintenance ever"
c) it gets parsed as 05 years. 10 times as long as the planned cycle. also not a good outcome
d) some data corruption occurs due to the unexpected data, causing who knows what kinds of problem with whatever other equipment gets caught up in this. but from context, that's unlikely. still, there's that story about the guy with the vanity plates reading "null", getting assigned all the unassigned speeding tickets in the system
From a Brazilian fan of yours, and huge aviation addict since I was a kid, I'm very pleased to have the chance to hear words from a professional from another country, in fact another continent, about such a famous accident, one that I grew up reading and watching things about! Cheers, Petter, really enjoy your work!
I learned to fly Cessnas in northern Ontario Canada by dead reckoning. Part of the navigation procedure was to identify and mark on your map ground targets (visible features such as lakes, roads, high voltage lines) every 50 miles or so as a means of assuring that you are on the right track.
Being a Brazilian pilot myself, this accident is used since in every single pilot course as an example of how a small detail (the misinterpretation of a coma), the lack of CRM and the overconfidence can (and might take) an aircraft down. In every single license I did, the Varig 254 was quoted in one way or another. As curiosity, there is a transcript from the CVR with the last PA made from Captain Garcez: "Ladies and Gentleman, this is the captain speaking. We had a disorientation malfunction in our compass. We have our fuel in the last 15 minutes. We ask everybody to remain calm because this is a very difficult situation to happen. We leave everyone hoping that this is nothing more than a scare. Thank you very much for your attention and may everyone have a good ending".
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"This is your captain. Does anyone know the area? Like really well?"
Actually, there was some passengers who were used to flight that route, and early on picked up that something was wrong, as the sun was supposed to be on their left, not in front of them.
They even raised their concerns to the flight crew, but the pilots were not interested
@@GoianoAmazonia So much as I readed the Cabin Crew didn´t passed this information to the Pilots.
"I have no idea what I'm doing" would be the actual last thing I'd want to hear
The details you bring are incredible, I'm a pilot in Brazil and I've rarely seen a reconstruction as detailed as yours. The lack of CRM, the Captain's power distance and arrogance were the preponderant factors for this emblematic accident in Brazil.
Your voice is so comforting. Thank you for being you!❤
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@MentourPilot Still hoping you’ll cover the 1971 crash of Alaska Airlines flight 1866 which flew into a mountainside near Juneau, AK. Well over 100 people died and it was a horrible shock to the community. I was a young teen when it happened and remember going with my mom to look at the passenger list to see who had died. My oldest brother was in the National Guard at the time and they were deployed to the mountainside to recover remains. He told my mom it was horrific and his girlfriend said he would have terrible nightmares. This was a significant event yet has had very little coverage which I find sad. I know you’re a very busy person but I’m still hoping you will do a video on this tragedy. Thanks and all the best!
Did your brother seek out professional help? Or did he tailspin out of control? I understand if you don't want to get into it as it is a bit intrusive. The reason I ask is we don't hear very much about rescuers and the trauma they go through, especially the trauma mounting on trauma after trauma. The National Guard and rescuers in general are unsung heroes. They're thanked and appreciated but that is very brief.
@user-tn3hw9kc8q That’s a complicated question to answer. Alcoholism runs rampant in my family. Both parents, me, this brother and another brother. This is my oldest brother and he was an alcoholic just coming to acknowledge it when he died in his 50s in 2004 of a heart attack. He lead a successful life and was a pilot and was acting fire chief when he died. He was getting ready to get certified to fly turboprop otters. He was just starting to talk to my other brother and I about his drinking (which we had been seeing for years). We are both in recovery (25 years for me and about 30 years for him to date). Would this have come out as one of his demons? Sadly, we’ll never know. I do know he never talked about it even to our other brother and they were very close.
@@susanredmond3573 So sorry for the loss of your brother, and thank God he found sobriety and that you could share in your mutual recovery. Many heroic rescuers seem to have that metabolic intolerance, but reach incredible levels of heroism nonetheless. If I watch any more of the great Petter I may never fly again!!!
@DeidreMcNamara The oldest brother who died didn’t have a chance to get into sobriety. He was just at the point of talking about maybe having a problem. The next older brother and I do enjoy being in recovery together and we miss our oldest brother. Don’t be afraid to fly!
@@susanredmond3573 I second this. Whenever someone tells me not to watch these documentaries because it creates an unnecessary fear of flying, my response is "I've been through a car crash, air travel doesn't scare me".
I've just finished writing an academic paper about possible training and CRM improvements (as an english as a foreign language teacher student), and your videos were the base for my knowledge. Thank you so much for making them after hoing through 40 reports, some of those in Spanish, and 1800 pages of EASA, I have even more respect for you and your team
You've covered so many of these, with a lot of unique ones over the months, and this is one of the wilder ones to think through as a passenger experience.
From "Weird, I thought we'd be landed by now" to "Wow something must be really wrong, it's been hours."
Surviving in the heart of the Amazon for well over a day not knowing where you are or if anyone on the outside has a clue where to look for you.
I've always thought that the most terrifying thing would be the silence of no power in an airplane descending towards... whatever. Especially in the middle of the night when it's just a black void outside.
There are striking similarities to the infamous 1972 crash of Uruguayan AF flight 571 where a catastrophic navigation error (turning north way too early directly into the path of the terrain of the Andes mountains) sent passengers into a remote and deadly wilderness. Navigation errors in South America with its vast inhospitable regions, without modern positioning technology, sounds so terrifying
I'd also like to hear Peter's inputs on that one
Was this the one heading for Kali, Columbia?
@@TheMofRider2no, they’re referring to the one with the Uruguayan rugby team, who did what they had to do in the months they spent in the Andes - a true epic!
@@celiakfouri9386 Yeah, I read that book. Wasn't it called SURVIVE! or ALIVE!?
oh wow. the incompetence on display with these 2 pilots is staggering.
Reading some of the other comments, the FO actually figured out where they likely were but was forbidden from telling ATC because of the captain's ego.
A passenger named Epaminondas Chaves gave testimony in various interviews and documentaries that, being a frequent flyer of this route, he realized they were in the wrong place and tried to warn the crew. He was ignored. He was also one of the hero passengers who walked over 40 km through thick rain forest to find help.
Co-pilot Zille's interviews are numerous. What he depicts about what took place in that cockpit is so much more incredible that it comes close to criminal.
I know about confirmational bias, but flying into the sunset to the point you need to put on you sun glasses when you are supposed to go northwest is just mind blowing 🤯 I'll never get my head around this.
That “eeeerr.. ladies and gentlemen….” Is quite hillarious.🤣🤣
as a brazilian, good to see this case here! this is such a nasty story, terrible how the captain dealt with the situation and the whole lack of CRM, but it’s really good that these horrible cases changed the culture inside cockpits
and it's always a good opportunity to remember that GPS, that was launched shortly after this crash, was named after the captain of this flight, Cmte. Garcez.
GPS stands for Garcez Perdido na Selva (Garcez is Lost in the Jungle)
@@GoianoAmazonia hahahaha
@@GoianoAmazonia i really hope you joking 😂😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@GoianoAmazonia They really could have used a Garcez Positioning System after the crash.
The captain's last message to the passengers was: “We ask everyone to remain calm because a situation like this is really difficult to happen, we leave everyone with hope that this is nothing more than just a scare for all of us. Thank you very much for your attention and may everyone have a good ending.” message taken and translated from the original Flight Recorder from the plane.
My job is not in the airline industry. But I enjoy learning more, plus I’ve been appreciating the reminder in my job to not get complacent or over confident.
Years ago (I was 33 years old) I went sailing with friends of my partner sailing out of Southampton in the UK. We were just off the Isle of Wight and my friend said let’s sail to Poole to the West. He wanted to teach me some navigation and I aimed my arm towards Poole and said the heading was 271.(I had done map reading in the Biy Scouts). He went through the entire electronic navigation system and a few minutes later he said it’s 271!! The waves were big due to high winds and my friend sent me below to make some tea. Within 30 seconds I had to rush up on deck and threw up over the stern of the yacht. My friend knew I’d probably be sick and did it just to show me that I didn’t know much about sailing! Lesson learnt!
Hi, Petter! I'm Brazilian and I'd love for you to look into Vasp flight 168 accident, one of the worst in the country's history.
I’ll have a look at it
@@MentourPilot There's also gol flight 1907, and tam flight 3054. 2006 and 2007 respectively. Those were the last plane accidents from major airlines in Brazil. None since then. And both are quite interesting. One accelerated after landing and the other had a middair collision with a private jet from Embraer
@@gui123dias TAM 3054 is definetely worth a look from Petter, as the pilots and the national aviation crisis at the time played such a big whole.
When you said that one of the passengers was a young forest surveyor, my reaction was "Lucky they had a boy scout!"
On the first day, he managed to find water, based on the wind, the inclination of terrain, and the singing of birds.
The next day, he climbed a very tall tree, and was able to see the farm, kilometers away from them
I've heard in other tellings of this event that even a couple passengers who regularly flew this route had questioned the cabin crew regarding the heading of the plane.
That part about some passengers storming forward to raid the booze is just fecking wild.
If we are going down in the jungle, the last thing I want is to be pissed if we survive the crash
Amazing that so many DID survive! What a story!
As Brazilian I can confirm. It is more important to know if brazil is winning than arriving correctly to your destination.
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Quality of these videos is on another level, the visuals, the storytelling, the amount of shared knowledge. Not only in the video, but also in the comments, I've been reading them for half an hour and I'm still not done yet. Thanks for amazing work Petter!