Now we get chat's comments to datto's response to Bungies response to the communities response. All we need next is Reddit's response to chats response to datto... you get the jist.
he's not actually but he does represent much of the community i mean he's datto but i will say not everyone agress with him and he's not the only one in the space of d2 cross fallout jake kackis etc
There's many things I hate about the current state of destiny 2 right now but I would never even consider sending death threats or harassing devs. The Internet makes people way too comfortable with talking to others in a way they'd never do in real life. It's insane that the devs even have to consider safety when talking about the fans of their game
@@id1550 ah yes so because there's not a lot of people it's fine right? The fact that it's frequent enough to be brought up goes to show it's happening too much. What a stupid take
@@id1550So the Twilight Garrison harassment wasn’t enough proof? How about Bungie recently winning the lawsuit against a harasser? The community calling the devs shit during their old livestreams? Literally any Tweet in regards to “how shit the game is” or out of the touch the developers are? It shouldn’t happen ONCE, end of story. No one deserves death threats at all over the fucking internet, regardless of the current state of the game.
@@lokilucario I just find it cringe when you guys make it feel like it’s everyone’s fault for how a small minority of people are acting. It’s like i didn’t do anything yet you guys are trying to make me feel bad for what other people did.
I'm kinda praying that Xur becomes the method to farm out world-drop weapons. Would really make him consistently worth interacting with for the foreseeable future.
I really wish game companies would get out of the “they won’t notice x or y if we don’t tell them” because they always do and it always sucks for everyone involved
It's one thing to be sneaky underhanded to trick customers, but bungie is literally asking to just have a safe working environment and they're not even getting that. Like bungie's response isn't even comparable to the community's response, and that says a lot.
@@RhapsodicXStyle07 Yeah it feels like a lot of people forgot that members of the team got death threats for even suggesting a certain exotic wouldn't be coming back. Then again, with a community this toxic, of course people would forget about it
@@DerpyDootthe community is the worst one out there, it’s not that people forgot people straight don't care at best and at worse laugh about it and encourage it
Here's the absolute hope that Bungie, and specially Joe, stays communicative and even a stronger wish for the community to keep it together and be respectful with them. I love dialogue between developers and the community as it benefits both parties when the playerbase is satisfied and the developers are able to provide. As a former Warframe player, I loved when one of the developers (Steve, who is no longer working in developing Warframe) would just go on to stream the game and even do some live developing of prototypes, just throwing ideas for everyone to see. Overall, this response just scratchs the terrible itch that SotG left (or soothes the pain rather), and even if it is obvious, we need to walk into the showcase next week with hope but not hype, have tempered expectations, but still expectations about what Bungie can surprise us next with.
Dialogue between developer and community is fantastic, but if the community is spewing hateful things - things bad enough to make the team worried for their safety - then no dialogue is the best option for the devs. Every time, full stop. There is absolutely no reason for people to react the way I've seen some people react in regards to games, destiny and otherwise
@@cheezusthegrate669 I agree. Some people really take videogame passion to an unhealthy level. That, or they are just mentally unstable. Hope is that Bungie not only makes the necessary preparations to keep themselves save, but to have the mindset that black sheeps don't paint the entire community. On our end, we must do better as a community ourselves, since it is sad to see Bungie employees get the amount of ire and hate they do. There are always ways to communicate, and spewing hatred ain't one of them.
I'm sorry but you went from Warframe to this? God no. It's clear Bungie were never interested in making a good game since even before the first Destiny came out and they have consistently failed to meet the standards they themselves have set.
@@OryxAU I didn't elaborate, since it wasn't relevant to the context. I played D1 before I played Warframe (TTK PS3), and at the time I was playing Warframe it was during a period when I didn't have D1 for my PS4 (aka having to buy it again). Eventually the grind in Warframe got too much for me and I stopped playing, but that's a me issue (I played for like 2 years, 2016 to 2018). I also prefer FPS to TPS, and again, that is a "me" thing. Warframe is still a game I would encourage people to at least give it a go. To say that Bungie was never interested in making a good game, however, is false. You can argue that they say they don't want to overdeliver based on their GDC talk, but I figure it would have been easier to put D2 on life support and make a D3, a game I would just outright not even bother with since I hate "wipeouts". Even if they are pouring all their resources into Marathon (and whatever other IP they're working), Marathon will not get nearly enough as much players as D2 based solely on the type of game it is, and they (must) know that. If they truly weren't interested in making a good game, why bother trying to improve on it? Why not leave it to rot?
So we’re back at the Season of Arrivals section of the Destiny time loop where after enough complaints Bungie took an Eververse set and made it earnable like the Moonfang set and an update akin to a “renewed focus on PvP”
Tbh I feel like in shadowkeep they needed to figure things with endgame pve content like raids and dungeons because 1 raid a year and dungeons that have nothing to get one and has MOTES(I LOVE MOTES I LOVE MOTES I LOVE MOTES)and they have things sorted out with endgame pve(2 dungeons with loot and 1 new raid and 1 reprise raid).I guess we will see in future twabs about that pvp strike team
Im glad someone noticed here. I really hope the community doesn't just take joes words for face value and pretend destiny is saved. Bungie has shown if they have no pressure they will get away with as much as they possibly can. They have and still will. How much you wanna bet they're gonna start charging for map packs, since Joe worded it in such a specific way?
which is kinda sus. It has to be a super ugly set, which they would have made 0 money with like the Moonfang one. So I am not overly interested in it .
@@omensoffate All the things Joe mentioned though are free. I think Tuesday is to sell pre-orders but I think this video was actually, genuinely, an attempt to try and start to fix the broken relationship between player and Bungie.
Players have spent how much on this franchise? Only to hear that the developers want to fix things, after how long? There are so many major components still missing in Destiny 2 that it's just not worth paying to continue any further. I value my hard earned money. Thanks.
9:10 “If casual players were to decypher more than four buffs/debuffs, their brains might explode, and bungie doesn’t want to overload people with too much information.” DATTO HAVE YOU SEEN THE STEAM STORE PAGE 😂
I think the buff/debuff UI desperately needs to prioritize any timers for mechanics in endgame. If they can also make an option to show more than 4 Im all for it. Maybe they could make it an option to only have icons show up instead of icon + text.
Really the kicker here is to just allow us to scale/downscale the UI like on standard MMORPGs with the UI boom problems solved. Then they can put as many debuffs/buffs on the screen.
All this was, was a please don’t leave we need your money. “We are going to do x y and z. Cool so again we will be waiting a year for anything to come at minimum. So yeah nothings changed this was just a normal we here you we are listening and we are going to do something about. Then turn around and do nothing and the fans rage so the cycle continues.
I got a massive belly laughter from Datto saying "a new era of the game" because we all know that the very moment Marathon starts making serious money, and it will, the "new era of destiny" will be a maintenance mode just like the crucible and gambit have already been in for years because 99% of the pvp devs were transferred to Marathon..
@@life-destiny1196 what the hell does anyones hiring practises have to do with this? I can tell you, nothing!!! Bungie themselves have said that they transferred almost all destinys pvp devs to marathon and they have hired 0 people to do destiny pvp after that.. so what the hell are you on even?
I think people just want a reason to grind CORE playlists cuz at the moment there isn't much. Armor would help, but also so would an entirely new core mode
@@Ali_Da_Yung_Dookerabsolutely agree the broad playerbase doesn't dungeon or raid on a consistent basis. Back in "taken King" years ago, having strike specific loot randomly dropping, was PEAK DESTINY.
If the core Playlist can't be monetized, they have zero incentive to gaf about the modes. Also the armor sets have been super ugly for a long time, which makes me not want to transmog them
New pvp “strike team” = old pvp team just under more pressure. Bungie won’t just pull some new developers out of the ether that were doing something else/nothing and put them on pvp
Idk it's kinda believable. We literally got nothing for pvp. There was no old team. Idk why they just don't use destiny location already in game verses building from the ground up.
@@life-destiny1196 no use location that have assets that already exist to make maps. Would probably cut down on cost for making maps. The location won't be perfect but would be sufficient. Like neomuna has perfect spots to just rip out and make a pvp map out of.
I know this is incredibly unpopular but I don't buy the lack of communication being due to the incidents which have happened over the last few months. Every DLC bungie goes through the cycle of "oh we need to communicate more" just in time to lock in preorders and build up hype, and when they're repeating the cycle for the 8th year in a row it gets old.
It has been worse the last couple months more than ever. That’s why you’re seeing so many harassment lawsuits from idiots that are harassing devs. Yes they say this every year but they always disappear when the community becomes extremely hostile, pretty much at the same point every year. Maybe if people could stop being big babies and respect the devs/not threaten them we wouldn’t have these problems.
Personally I didn't think the State of the Game was that big of a deal when all it really said was "Hey putting time into one part of the game means time isn't going elsewhere, so we're not going to bother with Gambit since everyone hates it and nobody uses playlist armor anyway so why even waste resources" which to me seemed like reasonable courses of action, so I was pretty confused that everybody was acting like Sunsetting 2.0 just got announced and everyone was so up in arms over it that even people outside the community felt the need to take a kick at Destiny. What I think feels weird to me, is I didn't even feel like Joe necessarily said anything new or different from what was in the state of the game as much as he just clarified on the points that were made with some additional context. (Which I mean more context is always a nice thing to have.) But then the weird part to me is the staggering difference in the community reception to this versus the State of the Game, but I guess it's just like you already said that "How" you say and present something is just as important as "What" you say.
He did say things in his video that weren't stated in the SOTG though. Pvp maps were a "not gonna happen" in the sotg, as well as the walking back of the previously promised ritual set updates. I didn't find the SOTG that bad either, just clarifying facts.
It's mostly just the constant disappointments we been slamming into left right and center plus how long our core playlists have been feeling stale for a couple of years at this point. Lightfall was a absolute flop and people got even less patience for seasonal content so any problems that crop up for the umpteenth time feels even more worse then they actually are cause a great majority of players are downright just done with it all.
It’s crazy to sympathize how a gagillion dollar crew can’t do one thing without taking away from the other, and complain time and time again about how they can only do less and less (except eververse which is nice and shiny) while also charging MORE.
That mixed with icons to show whats contributing to the end result would definitely work. Kinda like how in Elden Ring any status effects procced are shown with icons under the health bar etc
I have nothing against any of the devs personally and joe seems cool, but if a 15 minute video changed your opinion on a game that has been very turbulent for 8 years, then youre foolish imo. The game cant afford any more good faith. I think a ton of the very dedicated fans are past that point. I appreciate the gesture from Joe, but we need to see the game get better not necessarily communication about the game getting better.
You know this guy is like the guy at the top of bungie. When this guy says something it’s not like it’s just gonna magically change that’s how high up he is
I said this on twitter aswell but ngl the whole joe vid felt like a pr stunt to hopefully please some of rhe communuty for the showcase because tfs pre ordering will most likely open up soon after. Maybe my pessimism is too high.
Not surprised. They have done this before when there is a huge backlash towards Bungie. When that happens they try something new, try to be more personal and most people goes "aaaw i wub bungie". But... it's easy to forget that this has happened a numerous of times and the state of the game is... horrid.
They want ppl to feel good about armor they purchase but you can’t transmog over exotics which effectively means you spending money on 5 pieces but only able to use 4
Bungie COULD NOT have “just ignored this” like you said. After lightfall flopped and then they revert old promises and go so far as to say they won’t do much to fix pvp really in the previous twab people were rightfully mad and threatened not to preorder which scared the bahjebus out of bungie they had to say something. I cannot believe people would harass the developers, that’s garbage but we definitely deserve to be mad and nobody should preorder the final shape until bungie can “walk the walk” as you said
Destiny and Bungie are never going to change. As an OG D1 player, they have always been listening, always been trying to rebuild trust... yada yada yada. I learned this and stopped playing the game sometime ago. Theres always other things you can be doing, there no reason to let this game and its dev upset anyone.
they like that abusive husband that time & time again tells the wife i’ll be better, this time i will change, i promise for you & the kids but never does. we are the disappointed wife. 😅😂😂😂
I'm sorry, this is classic corporate gaslighting, and all the streamers seem to have swallowed it. Yes, the communication has been sub-par, and I have no time for any online abuse aimed at Bungie employees. BUT, the average player has a very different view of the 'state of the game' and somehow that reality has been lost in this latest broadcast message This is what I feel is the 'state of the game': 1. There's been little to no investment in the core playlist - strikes, PvP, gambit. Players are disengaged and bored 2. The game is unstable. Every season launch is bug-ridden, and server stability is unacceptable for a game that is the mature phase of its product lifecycle 3. The narrative arc is a mess; even the lore streamers can't make it hang together and this season has been a low point. It's hidden in an obscure mission that most people will have missed and it makes no sense 4. The overwhelming chat I hear is that we're being milked - pay to win is here, we're being double and triple dipped with all the cool cosmetics being locked in the store. 5. Bungie has moved on. It's not investing in Destiny 2 anymore. The resources have shifted to Marathon. How can you create a 'strike team' to do work that's supposed to be part of the core?
My only thing about this is, with how quick the turn around and response was to be like look we fucked up we're sorry, they could have been doing this the whole time and should have
Oh yeah, it took the entire community and content creators inside the community and outside the community to collectively shit on Bungie's decisions for a genuine shift in a good direction to be made. This isn't a good sign for what's to come if that's what we need to do to get Bungie to not make terrible decisions.
@@bruce2655 and even then this is still just their word. No clue to the extent of what they will deliver on and the quality they put in. They are always good ab making good talk, executions a different story
I wonder how big the stick that Sony threatened them with was? Although they agreed to let Bungie remain independent, you better believe they still have some recourse after a 4 billion investment. If what he says was true about it being miscommunication, they would have started to walk this back almost immediately. This seems like the results of dozens of meetings on what they can promise without 'overdelivering' and being cleared by legal.
The "issues" that are holding these modes out of the playlist are, according to them, stuff like "We didn't record mode-specific VO with Shaxx," not "the gameplay isn't good." So like... very, very bad reason to just hold modes back for months or years. As you say, more or less, I expect nothing until we get an actual delivery. We have been seeing a "renewed focus on PVP" since Forsaken. Bungie comms are ALWAYS long on self-congratulation and flexibly worded future promises - sometimes the congratulations are deserved and the promises are followed up on, other times it's that State of the Game. But they've long since lost any chance of me (and I think most of the community) just taking them at their word when it comes to this stuff. I'm sure the showcase will get me hype for Final Shape and I never had any intention of not playing that much anyway, but when that's over I hope they are prepared for just how many people they stand to lose if all they can deliver is more of the same.
You’re the second person I’ve heard say we’d be getting a map pack “once a year” when I heard it as a one time thing. Was there something somewhere else that confirms it’s happening more often?
I wish people would differentiate between the business side of companies and the people who actually work on the game. The developers have no control over pricing, eververse, hiring more people etc.
And even then, it’s just a game for entertainment, nothing more. People get way too invested into something that is utterly meaningless at the end of the day.
They can't and never will. You could give them the whole run down too and they'll ignore you while calling you a bootlicker or tell you to cope. People are so odd
Much respect for Joe, I think this was a very good format. I hope we get more communication like this. And I hope the larger, more reasonable part of the community can overshadow the small toxic and loud part
I hope we can have a productive ongoing dialog with the devs. This is up to us to not f$&k up. I'm sure we don't condone this behavior as a community but it doesn't take many to ruin it for us all. I'm hopeful be we have to be better as a community too. That includes each other.
It would be nice but there are people that don't know how to be decent human beings.I saw on twitter that one of the cm can have epilapsy seizures and somebody gifted her something that was flashing light to cause her a seizure.
@@steveeymann6374 I just hope in his streams there will be actual feedback but there will be a lot of shitty trolls.I hope that his streams are not at 4 am for time cause I really want to bring to his attention that there is a bug where sometimes the loadout won't change a piece of armour's look
@@holycrusaderofgod8561it’s like when that writer with photosensitive epilepsy tried to point out that issue in cyberpunk and somehow some really shitty people thought the rational response to legit concerns and criticism was to try and send them stuff to induce seizures
Least they're getting feedback. Majority of my clan just doesnt care anymore, good or bad and aren't coming back. Silence is much worse than what theyre getting now, even if they deserve some of it
My biggest complaint is why they remove content people have paid for, could a player get a refund after playing for 6 months? It shows how horrible can be 'live only services', when they have all the rights to remove the content you paid, for less content in the future, which is also pay walled.
Xur is also useful for anyone who missed a certain god roll that just never dropped. Cartesian for example, until it's in the loot pool again, Xur/Banshee are your only methods of obtaining the weapon and if you're lucky a god roll for it. And at the moment for any Deepsight past seasonal weapons you couldn't obtain. I.E. Path of Least Resistance from Seraph
Joe seems like a very nice person and very chill guy. Of course most of us don’t know him. But I’d hate to see his stream go badly with tons of trolls in the chat. I also hope he has a lot of mods who will wield that ban hammer with impunity.
@@mkloven101the answer is to act like a decent human being and not harass people over the internet, especially not those who work for a company that takes employee safety very seriously.
I hate Bungie's way of dealing with things. I am sick of these devs only giving a shit when a big expansion is around the corner or when the community is so upset that they feel like they need to calm us down. It feels like they only "give a shit" when the community is going nuts and when they need to captivate our attention before an expansion comes out just to make some money. How much do you want to bet that in a few months aftee Final Shape , the game will return to the shitshow that it is right now? They only seem to care because it can affect the sales of FS, not because they actually care about making THE GAME good.
Wow guys. I'm really glad it took till the final major DLC destiny2 will probably ever have to actually have the director speak to us, clarify issues and actually be transparent. - Sorry but destiny 2 should have done this with beyond light. Its too little to late.
I understand the ritual armor set situation, but it is far more important for me that bungie fixes technical issues. What I mean is: around the time when witch queen was released, they promised to fix the occasional disappearance of some environmental shadows on Xbox Series consoles and PS5. I don’t know about Xbox, but on Ps5 it still hasn’t been fixed. I have the feeling this bug got even a little bit worse this season. Also, I’d like to know what’s up with the development of the Tarrabah and Thorn catalysts.
I think buffs and rebuffs could use some substantial rework. Stuff like Cure flashing orange on your health bar itself to show how much health/shield were restored or restoration giving the health bar a flames effect. Invis has always been a silly screenside buff imo since your first person perspective shows your hands and gun turning invisible. Weaken could be a cracked health bar, etc etc. they have a lot of UI to work with and it bothers me that ALL buffs and debuffs “need” screenside timers.
All I see is more talk about final shape and how much better it will be, „it’s ok you guys just keep playing and we pinky promise it will for sure get better this time”. Surely everybody at this point realized this is bungie’s business model? Eternal carrot dangling without actually delivering. Hell, I’m sure the main reason why so many players stuck with this game through the years was because they realised it had potential. But I think it’s high time to realise that the gaming industry doesn’t reward excellence, it rewards mediocrity. And bungie is perfectly aware of that fact. They aren’t incompetent or understaffed, they’re lazy.
Talk is cheap. Now deliver. Don't get how Bungie stated recently that they are going to hold content creators more accountable for their audience's behaviour but Bungie accepts very little responsibility for its audience's behaviour towards them and the game.
I commented on Fallout and Aztecross's reacts ... I'm worried about Joe. I hope he streams with good established streamers who have strong moderation teams - and then add in the Bungie moderators - I hope he doesn't try to go it alone. Also please everyone - be your best selves. I want Bungie people to feel safe and be eager to jump out and talk to us. Other than that I am pretty happy with what he *said* ... we just need to wait and see how they *deliver.*
This @@omensoffate person is an example of how we should not act. I don't know if you understand ... but you are advocating real harm to real people. Stop.
@@omensoffate YES. Words on the internet are harm. Real harm. Also, you seem particularly uninformed ... but Bungie employees have been stalked and threatened. Fortunately I do not believe any were physically harmed. Once again though, real actual harm and actual real world crimes are occuring. So, please take your own advice: grow up.
Interesting take - I actually got the opposite vibe from Joe's video, it felt more like he was told by some executive to get ahead of this problem. Seems like a sales tactic to me. I'm also not a huge fan of how you criticize the community regarding communication. Yes there is some bad actors but that's not everyone and you can't blame the community for scaring Bungie. (It was just a convenient excuse for Bungie to cease professional communication)
Well as someone who avidly plays pvp, new modes can be super fun and I don’t think people understand yet how big the checkmate game mode is for high end pvp players. Checkmate is a game mode that high end players have been dreaming of since forsaken dropped and now it’s here which is awesome
For the UI they should make symbols for buffs like radiant and devour and put them above the weapon bar so the left side of the screen can be used for weapon perks and encounter timers and such.
I don’t believe that at all. He’s not good enough an actor (or speaker) to make him look like he was speaking off the cuff. Plus, as somebody who does PR for a living, no PR professional would have written anything resembling this. I do believe the impetus was to save preorders, but I believe he believes every word he spoke here. I think Bungie hit their “oh shit” trigger and begrudgingly acknowledged that SOTG was the step too far that would send the game on a path of no return and they abruptly changed course. Whether or not they follow through on everything is a fair debate. But this wasn’t a PR stunt. It was a genuine on the fly change of strategy.
I rewatched Joes video and he does say they will probably talk about the live service aspect some point during the showcase. I think Datto misheard that part.
We've been here before, now I'm just tired, I expected it not because it was needed but more because of the timing, he stated at the start nothing about the state of the game will be addressed in the showcase, which to be fair is what I'd expect, it's a showcase of the Final Shape and what it will contain, but the timing gives it all an air of "we know your pissed and here's what we're going to do about it, please pre-order the Final Shape...". All the changes he talked about are similar to what we've heard before, the map pack sounds good because we've had a drought of maps coming into the game, we don't need map packs we just need more than one map once a year, Disjunction is a Frankenstein's monster of a map, it's design by committee and it shows. The armour situation is understandable but I still don't see why they can make bangers for raids, dungeons, and eververse, but making one decent set for free is too hard. The strike teams for content is annoying, if the game was supported properly we wouldn't need them, they are what should be expected not a carrot when things are bad, smoke and mirrors and it's an insult to our intelligence, it shouldn't be a thing if they supported the game like they should, we are paying customers, Destiny is not F2P, it's free to try, you want the latest greatest you have to pay, and it isn't cheap, to say nothing of paid content being pulled from the game. All in all I just see it as a stop gap short term band aid to try and limit pre-order sales damage, cynical yes, but Bungie's record in the past is what made me this way when it comes to them making promises. Justin Truman's GDC 2022 presentation has aged like milk in the desert, and so it should've, a fucking embarrassment by any metric. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. It's all so familiar it's a joke now, except it's not funny. Sad thing is after the showcase everyone will be pissing their pants and will pre-order the expansion like none of this ever happened and guess what, we'll be back here again, I know it, you all should know it, and Bungie sure as fuck knows it. As a group gamers are the dumbest cunts on the planet we are on the level of plant life, flat earthers point at us and laugh that's how fucking gullible we are, what's worse is we allowed it to become like this even worse still some of us act as apologists for the way it is.
Only took them ( insert amount of time here because they are not clear with us STILL over years... amount of time ) for them to make a crucible " strike team "?!?! It's a core game mode?!?! So is gambit?!?! Why were they ignoring it and not having a TEAM for the CORE game modes that they WANT us to play? Reallllyyyyyyy seems like a damage control situation and they still don't care to me. I dunno.
I had figured they had separate team's for PvP/PvE and map/areas. Weird that they don't. Where does all the money they make go? How do they not have the resources to make more than one thing at a time? side note: stop making the hunter cloaks short and ugly. make em LONG
I would cavoite the most players can decipher buffs with most players who have ok to good eyesight can decipher buffs and debuffs. the poorly sighted/legally blind crew like myself would like more overtly visual buffs since trying to look closer to read is tough in an fps.
It really is crazy. I swear, some people think the devs are moustache-twirling villains with the goal of ruining the game in the most aggravating ways possible. Its like this in other games, too. There are things in D2 and in ESO that really annoy me, balancing things, bugs, cash store stuff etc. Chances are, the devs are probably EVEN MORE annoyed than I am at most of these things! When they say that they want do to something, like fix bugs or add more to pvp or stuff like that, I believe them. It all comes down to if the devs themselves are actually given the time / money to actually do these things.
The ritual eververse set and a new map will probably drop now but wouldn’t be surprised if everything else will probably be pushed back hoping people will forget these promises. This isn’t the first time we’ve heard this song and dance before with questionable results, this is either gonna fall into bungie just talks or they surprise people and do the things they said
lol remember the renewed focus on pvp? The gun focus that was followed by the most overpowered abilities the franchise has ever seen? Wake up. We're in the final form of pvp. This is it.
Thanks for the response! We as a community need to hold a standard for ourselves and our content. I'm all down for respectful respite! And especially working with Bungie and improving the game for sure
I would just like to make a quick point on the "online harrassment" of the devs or anyone else online. I did a fair amount of research on this topic a few years back mainly on doxing and online harrasssment (threats and written abusive language). Doxing seems to have a very high correlation to the rest of it. The idea being once u give out someones personal information, people are much more likely to use that information to harass someone than if they had never gotten the information. Pretty self explanitory there. Doxing is a big bad for sure. But doxing takes up a very VERY small proportion of the online harassment reported in the overall sphere of activity. The rest of it has very little correlation between someone making a threat online and an actual crime being committed... almost so little correlation that u can barely connect the 2. One reason for this is that most people who are wanting to commit a crime against a person... very rarely announce it online before hand. Then when you try and find causation, u really run into trouble... like maybe the people were going to commit a crime against them anyway and the online part was just a kind of warning more than a step on the path. It gets hard to say. It def does happen in certain situations. Most commonly with stalking and things like that, especially when people already know each other in real life. But in these cases the online abuse is just one more form that the perpetrator can use. Certainly not the most concerning. From what i could tell, most of the online harassement is not necessarily a non-issue, but in many cases, i believe we just haven't adapted to the technology so it feels alot more real than it is and perception becomes reality. Throughout human history, if u had 1000 people outside of ur house yelling at you, u had a real reason to be concerned and it would weigh heavily upon u. Now adays, 1000 people online feels the same as if they are standing right outside...our nervous system seems to process it the same... but they arent outside of ur house. We just need time and information to kind of clear the air with all of this. Anyways, of course, no one should harass anyone online, but i believe sunlight is the best disinfectant, so use this information how u will.
I still don't quite get why everyone keeps acting like 'the state of the game' is some sacred text. It's just a wellness check, like the name indicates?
Really honestly praying Joe can have a good time streaming next season. Honestly sounds really entertaining to see a high up Dev play the game especially if he decides to do some harder content 😊 personally Ik I’ll catch the first stream and wish him good luck
The last time they made a strike force for destiny 2 was inbetween curse of Osiris and Warmind and I can not understate how much that changed the game, so this seems to be very good news for PvP players but as always recently, we will have to see it to believe it I guess.
they should make buffs all have a little icon that’s made clear in the item description then use them to shove more info into a small place on the side of the screen
One thing I'm wondering is where exactly is this PVP "Strike Team" coming from. Are they devs from another team or were they working on something like Marathon before that? If the latter turns out to be true that would be very telling.
Keep the written Stog then have a follow up video/stream by Joe like this that goes over a few points excluded or in more detail on the oddly worded parts
This is literally just a PR campaign. It's nothing more than damage control the week before the reveal for Final Shape. Bungie has spent enough time talking. They don't deserve any praise until they actually do something.
I'm glad Joe Bungie himself came out to talk to us and it felt genuine but it's really hard to just be happy when it feels like it's always this big down and a little bit of up. Bungo has been a few patches away from making crucible competitive and fun for years and they always introduce an artifact mod or a weapon that on paper and in the live game will OBVIOUSLY break PvP, nerf an exotic that wasn't even an issue, or make a change that seems like it wasn't playtested or anyone looking at the change can tell it isn't gonna really move the needle on whatever problems it was supposed to solve. I'm not gonna sit here and say I don't have fun playing Destiny anymore because if I didn't I wouldn't still be playing and commenting on destiny stuff but I will say I'm apathetic to most of the announcements now because of the way things have been carried. I'm not going to be excited for final shape or any of the announcements for it, I'll play the game casually as I want to, and I'm going to watch and wait to see what Bungie does but I've said it a thousand times at this point: Destiny's feel is something that can't be replaced so there will never truly be a destiny killer. With that being said; How they managed to fumble the bag on satisfying the pvp community after making one of the most successful competitive and party shooters is beyond me. "Classic" Halo solved matchmaking, community contributions and cooperation, good pvp maps, and a solid but unique and fun sandbox and the community was so dedicated they kept the Halo 2 servers going for as long as they could the day they were supposed to go offline. All of that produced a loyal and passionate fanbase so the whole population problems probably wouldn't be an issue if Bungie full on gave the core playlists the love they deserve. If this is supposed to be your core gameplay, people should want to play it, not feel forced to. I will continue to die on this hill. Bungie also said it themselves; there's no point in advertising the seasons before the day they drop because people have already bought them so they already know they'll make bank so what's the harm and loss in supporting the main content (that is permanently in the game) that people are supposed to play? You know why people buy DLCs and 20$ eververse ornaments? To take that power crept gear and drip into pvp, raids & dungeons, and nightfalls so put some genuine elbow grease into your main content and I can almost guarantee that population problem will disappear. I mean come on people give 343 shit for all the scummy things they do but even after a dumpster fire release MCC is still doing numbers because: it's battle pass system is ahead of it's time, the cosmetics aren't predatory (and they're optional to view in multiplayer), the matchmaking somehow improved on classic halo's, and even years later it's still fun to just play through the campaigns with friends. How destiny struggles in some areas baffles me, considering it's still bungie and it's being made in a modified version of the very same engine they used to make the games that built the loyal and passionate pvp community in the first place.
I'm honestly surprised there isn't a payload pvp game mode. We get to play overwatch in Lake of shadows and in Vow but shocked there isn't one in crucible.
It was a large part of why communication died down? *checks brain from playing destiny since it came out. Nope. That’s never really been the case. They only have ever really communicated in a static fashion, usually after they shit the bed. George Orwell would be amused by this doublethink.
Datto’s response to Bungie’s response to the community’s response to the state of the game. Love it
Now we get chat's comments to datto's response to Bungies response to the communities response. All we need next is Reddit's response to chats response to datto... you get the jist.
Cool. This isn’t interesting anymore. React metas are like 5 years old. Can we stop with these dumb comments now?
Can't wait for Aztecross Reacts to Datto's Response to Bungie's Response to The Community's Response to The State of The Game
he's not actually but he does represent much of the community i mean he's datto but i will say not everyone agress with him and he's not the only one in the space of d2 cross fallout jake kackis etc
@chase5436 then why did you react to his reaction comment if it isn't interestin
There's many things I hate about the current state of destiny 2 right now but I would never even consider sending death threats or harassing devs. The Internet makes people way too comfortable with talking to others in a way they'd never do in real life. It's insane that the devs even have to consider safety when talking about the fans of their game
I agree but I feel like people bring this up acting as if there’s a lot of people like this, when that couldn’t be farther from the truth.
@@id1550 ah yes so because there's not a lot of people it's fine right? The fact that it's frequent enough to be brought up goes to show it's happening too much. What a stupid take
@@id1550So the Twilight Garrison harassment wasn’t enough proof? How about Bungie recently winning the lawsuit against a harasser? The community calling the devs shit during their old livestreams? Literally any Tweet in regards to “how shit the game is” or out of the touch the developers are?
It shouldn’t happen ONCE, end of story. No one deserves death threats at all over the fucking internet, regardless of the current state of the game.
@@lokilucario I just find it cringe when you guys make it feel like it’s everyone’s fault for how a small minority of people are acting. It’s like i didn’t do anything yet you guys are trying to make me feel bad for what other people did.
@@MrTJCM6 Uh yeah I agree it shouldn’t happen at all.
I'm kinda praying that Xur becomes the method to farm out world-drop weapons. Would really make him consistently worth interacting with for the foreseeable future.
Loving the recent "WAKE UP PAY ATTENTION" bits, they've gotten me each time
This "Reaction" content is reaching Inception levels. Datto and Cross doing reaction-to-reaction videos that I in turn react to
The dream is collapsing.
Nah don’t compare Datto to Cross, the latter is just ass now and doesn’t come close to our boy.
@@thysquid2157dogshit take tbh
@@thysquid2157that’s just disrespectful for no fucking reason
@@thysquid2157 bro what are you on about ⁉️
I really wish game companies would get out of the “they won’t notice x or y if we don’t tell them” because they always do and it always sucks for everyone involved
It's one thing to be sneaky underhanded to trick customers, but bungie is literally asking to just have a safe working environment and they're not even getting that. Like bungie's response isn't even comparable to the community's response, and that says a lot.
@@RhapsodicXStyle07 Yeah it feels like a lot of people forgot that members of the team got death threats for even suggesting a certain exotic wouldn't be coming back. Then again, with a community this toxic, of course people would forget about it
@@DerpyDoot why should i remember what other people said to more people i dont even know
@@DerpyDoot
I guarantee that the SoTG had Bungie recieve a lot more death threats than Twilight Garrison did.
@@DerpyDootthe community is the worst one out there, it’s not that people forgot people straight don't care at best and at worse laugh about it and encourage it
I can’t wait to react to Datto’s reaction to Bungie’s reaction to the community’s reaction to Bungie’s (reactionary) SOTG, gonna be fire
Aztecross is on it!
@@finefornow_Won’t be watching it lol
@@someclownontheinternet9398 was a joke
Can I react to your reaction to Datto's reaction to Bungie's reaction to the community's reaction to the State of the Game?
@@finefornow_ Yep I now get the joke
My old boss use to tell me "'Could be better', is the enemy of 'Good enough'".
I love that you usually upload the videos with proper subtitles in. Don't know if people give enough props for that.
"Once a year" ... and we're going into the final year of Destiny = One single time.
Then Comms Blackout ...
Marathon
Here's the absolute hope that Bungie, and specially Joe, stays communicative and even a stronger wish for the community to keep it together and be respectful with them. I love dialogue between developers and the community as it benefits both parties when the playerbase is satisfied and the developers are able to provide.
As a former Warframe player, I loved when one of the developers (Steve, who is no longer working in developing Warframe) would just go on to stream the game and even do some live developing of prototypes, just throwing ideas for everyone to see.
Overall, this response just scratchs the terrible itch that SotG left (or soothes the pain rather), and even if it is obvious, we need to walk into the showcase next week with hope but not hype, have tempered expectations, but still expectations about what Bungie can surprise us next with.
Dialogue between developer and community is fantastic, but if the community is spewing hateful things - things bad enough to make the team worried for their safety - then no dialogue is the best option for the devs. Every time, full stop. There is absolutely no reason for people to react the way I've seen some people react in regards to games, destiny and otherwise
@@cheezusthegrate669 I agree. Some people really take videogame passion to an unhealthy level. That, or they are just mentally unstable. Hope is that Bungie not only makes the necessary preparations to keep themselves save, but to have the mindset that black sheeps don't paint the entire community. On our end, we must do better as a community ourselves, since it is sad to see Bungie employees get the amount of ire and hate they do. There are always ways to communicate, and spewing hatred ain't one of them.
damage control don pre order guys ❤
I'm sorry but you went from Warframe to this? God no. It's clear Bungie were never interested in making a good game since even before the first Destiny came out and they have consistently failed to meet the standards they themselves have set.
@@OryxAU I didn't elaborate, since it wasn't relevant to the context. I played D1 before I played Warframe (TTK PS3), and at the time I was playing Warframe it was during a period when I didn't have D1 for my PS4 (aka having to buy it again). Eventually the grind in Warframe got too much for me and I stopped playing, but that's a me issue (I played for like 2 years, 2016 to 2018). I also prefer FPS to TPS, and again, that is a "me" thing. Warframe is still a game I would encourage people to at least give it a go.
To say that Bungie was never interested in making a good game, however, is false. You can argue that they say they don't want to overdeliver based on their GDC talk, but I figure it would have been easier to put D2 on life support and make a D3, a game I would just outright not even bother with since I hate "wipeouts".
Even if they are pouring all their resources into Marathon (and whatever other IP they're working), Marathon will not get nearly enough as much players as D2 based solely on the type of game it is, and they (must) know that. If they truly weren't interested in making a good game, why bother trying to improve on it? Why not leave it to rot?
So we’re back at the Season of Arrivals section of the Destiny time loop where after enough complaints Bungie took an Eververse set and made it earnable like the Moonfang set and an update akin to a “renewed focus on PvP”
Tbh I feel like in shadowkeep they needed to figure things with endgame pve content like raids and dungeons because 1 raid a year and dungeons that have nothing to get one and has MOTES(I LOVE MOTES I LOVE MOTES I LOVE MOTES)and they have things sorted out with endgame pve(2 dungeons with loot and 1 new raid and 1 reprise raid).I guess we will see in future twabs about that pvp strike team
Im glad someone noticed here. I really hope the community doesn't just take joes words for face value and pretend destiny is saved. Bungie has shown if they have no pressure they will get away with as much as they possibly can. They have and still will. How much you wanna bet they're gonna start charging for map packs, since Joe worded it in such a specific way?
which is kinda sus. It has to be a super ugly set, which they would have made 0 money with like the Moonfang one. So I am not overly interested in it .
@@icantbelieveitsnotbuttersw2624it’s all to sell preorders
@@omensoffate All the things Joe mentioned though are free. I think Tuesday is to sell pre-orders but I think this video was actually, genuinely, an attempt to try and start to fix the broken relationship between player and Bungie.
Bungie's current thoughts: PANIC
Players have spent how much on this franchise? Only to hear that the developers want to fix things, after how long? There are so many major components still missing in Destiny 2 that it's just not worth paying to continue any further. I value my hard earned money. Thanks.
I love the game lol
The raids and dungeons alone are worth it
9:10 “If casual players were to decypher more than four buffs/debuffs, their brains might explode, and bungie doesn’t want to overload people with too much information.” DATTO HAVE YOU SEEN THE STEAM STORE PAGE 😂
Attention: In my understanding and rehearsal, Joe didn't say the map pack would be every year, he just said they would do it next year
I’d assume that if the first drop goes well then they’ll continue to do more or maybe add like a $5 fee if they drop really big map packs
I think the buff/debuff UI desperately needs to prioritize any timers for mechanics in endgame. If they can also make an option to show more than 4 Im all for it.
Maybe they could make it an option to only have icons show up instead of icon + text.
Agreed im not loving the fact i gotta find the Raid mechanic timers amongst the other 5 timers on my screen 😅
This
Really the kicker here is to just allow us to scale/downscale the UI like on standard MMORPGs with the UI boom problems solved. Then they can put as many debuffs/buffs on the screen.
All this was, was a please don’t leave we need your money. “We are going to do x y and z. Cool so again we will be waiting a year for anything to come at minimum. So yeah nothings changed this was just a normal we here you we are listening and we are going to do something about. Then turn around and do nothing and the fans rage so the cycle continues.
I got a massive belly laughter from Datto saying "a new era of the game" because we all know that the very moment Marathon starts making serious money, and it will, the "new era of destiny" will be a maintenance mode just like the crucible and gambit have already been in for years because 99% of the pvp devs were transferred to Marathon..
I honestly don't think marathon will be a hit. The Genre is way too niche to attract many people and make much money I think
@@chickenwar1 It might be a new genre-definer like Armored Core seems to be. Who knows? Bungie's a massive name, after all.
love seeing this take from people who don't understand how hiring people works
@@life-destiny1196 what the hell does anyones hiring practises have to do with this? I can tell you, nothing!!! Bungie themselves have said that they transferred almost all destinys pvp devs to marathon and they have hired 0 people to do destiny pvp after that.. so what the hell are you on even?
Yeah. That shift in the armor was good because the armor in the raid, dungeon and seasonal stuff has been AWESOME.
No
I think people just want a reason to grind CORE playlists cuz at the moment there isn't much. Armor would help, but also so would an entirely new core mode
the dungeon armor better be for £20
@@Ali_Da_Yung_Dookerabsolutely agree the broad playerbase doesn't dungeon or raid on a consistent basis.
Back in "taken King" years ago,
having strike specific loot randomly dropping, was PEAK DESTINY.
If the core Playlist can't be monetized, they have zero incentive to gaf about the modes. Also the armor sets have been super ugly for a long time, which makes me not want to transmog them
New pvp “strike team” = old pvp team just under more pressure. Bungie won’t just pull some new developers out of the ether that were doing something else/nothing and put them on pvp
Idk it's kinda believable. We literally got nothing for pvp. There was no old team. Idk why they just don't use destiny location already in game verses building from the ground up.
@@jaketheman1577 1) probably not that simple 2) you do NOT want world pvp, if that's what you mean
@@life-destiny1196 no use location that have assets that already exist to make maps. Would probably cut down on cost for making maps. The location won't be perfect but would be sufficient. Like neomuna has perfect spots to just rip out and make a pvp map out of.
I know this is incredibly unpopular but I don't buy the lack of communication being due to the incidents which have happened over the last few months. Every DLC bungie goes through the cycle of "oh we need to communicate more" just in time to lock in preorders and build up hype, and when they're repeating the cycle for the 8th year in a row it gets old.
so true dont pre order or buy guys ❤
It has been worse the last couple months more than ever. That’s why you’re seeing so many harassment lawsuits from idiots that are harassing devs.
Yes they say this every year but they always disappear when the community becomes extremely hostile, pretty much at the same point every year.
Maybe if people could stop being big babies and respect the devs/not threaten them we wouldn’t have these problems.
@@user-dd1wv3yw4h my agenda of what? That people should respect the devs and not threaten them?
Personally I didn't think the State of the Game was that big of a deal when all it really said was "Hey putting time into one part of the game means time isn't going elsewhere, so we're not going to bother with Gambit since everyone hates it and nobody uses playlist armor anyway so why even waste resources" which to me seemed like reasonable courses of action, so I was pretty confused that everybody was acting like Sunsetting 2.0 just got announced and everyone was so up in arms over it that even people outside the community felt the need to take a kick at Destiny.
What I think feels weird to me, is I didn't even feel like Joe necessarily said anything new or different from what was in the state of the game as much as he just clarified on the points that were made with some additional context. (Which I mean more context is always a nice thing to have.)
But then the weird part to me is the staggering difference in the community reception to this versus the State of the Game, but I guess it's just like you already said that "How" you say and present something is just as important as "What" you say.
He did say things in his video that weren't stated in the SOTG though. Pvp maps were a "not gonna happen" in the sotg, as well as the walking back of the previously promised ritual set updates. I didn't find the SOTG that bad either, just clarifying facts.
It's mostly just the constant disappointments we been slamming into left right and center plus how long our core playlists have been feeling stale for a couple of years at this point. Lightfall was a absolute flop and people got even less patience for seasonal content so any problems that crop up for the umpteenth time feels even more worse then they actually are cause a great majority of players are downright just done with it all.
It’s crazy to sympathize how a gagillion dollar crew can’t do one thing without taking away from the other, and complain time and time again about how they can only do less and less (except eververse which is nice and shiny) while also charging MORE.
@@finefornow_ you have zero understanding of how anything works. Okay now we’re both on the same boat, now what?
@@finefornow_ backed into a corner and all of a sudden it becomes “who cares” lmaoo. Just go do your homework man.
A cool system for the buff could be like a simplification option where instead of vorpal and radiant it would just say their combined damage buff
That mixed with icons to show whats contributing to the end result would definitely work. Kinda like how in Elden Ring any status effects procced are shown with icons under the health bar etc
I have nothing against any of the devs personally and joe seems cool, but if a 15 minute video changed your opinion on a game that has been very turbulent for 8 years, then youre foolish imo. The game cant afford any more good faith. I think a ton of the very dedicated fans are past that point. I appreciate the gesture from Joe, but we need to see the game get better not necessarily communication about the game getting better.
You know this guy is like the guy at the top of bungie. When this guy says something it’s not like it’s just gonna magically change that’s how high up he is
I said this on twitter aswell but ngl the whole joe vid felt like a pr stunt to hopefully please some of rhe communuty for the showcase because tfs pre ordering will most likely open up soon after. Maybe my pessimism is too high.
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I liked Joe's response to the state of the game and I think he did a good responding to people's feedback
Just going to screw you out of 100$ again sheep
@doomslayer8025 can't get anymore cringe than you
Not surprised. They have done this before when there is a huge backlash towards Bungie. When that happens they try something new, try to be more personal and most people goes "aaaw i wub bungie". But... it's easy to forget that this has happened a numerous of times and the state of the game is... horrid.
@@austin18 100$ for lightfall and you beg for more lol. Sheep
@@graveborne8724 yep sheep never learn
My favorite part of this whole video was the little 360 you did then got lost from scope zoom😂Great video Datto
They want ppl to feel good about armor they purchase but you can’t transmog over exotics which effectively means you spending money on 5 pieces but only able to use 4
Bungie needs to do a Warframe and just be active constantly talking to the community on livestream
All this was to drive people easily fooled to preorder the game next week
Until true change comes I personally do not care what anyone at bungie says because words mean nothing.
Bungie COULD NOT have “just ignored this” like you said. After lightfall flopped and then they revert old promises and go so far as to say they won’t do much to fix pvp really in the previous twab people were rightfully mad and threatened not to preorder which scared the bahjebus out of bungie they had to say something. I cannot believe people would harass the developers, that’s garbage but we definitely deserve to be mad and nobody should preorder the final shape until bungie can “walk the walk” as you said
Destiny and Bungie are never going to change.
As an OG D1 player, they have always been listening, always been trying to rebuild trust... yada yada yada.
I learned this and stopped playing the game sometime ago. Theres always other things you can be doing, there no reason to let this game and its dev upset anyone.
they like that abusive husband that time & time again tells the wife i’ll be better, this time i will change, i promise for you & the kids but never does. we are the disappointed wife. 😅😂😂😂
Thanks for giving me my opinion datto!
You guys are clowns.
I'm sorry, this is classic corporate gaslighting, and all the streamers seem to have swallowed it. Yes, the communication has been sub-par, and I have no time for any online abuse aimed at Bungie employees. BUT, the average player has a very different view of the 'state of the game' and somehow that reality has been lost in this latest broadcast message
This is what I feel is the 'state of the game':
1. There's been little to no investment in the core playlist - strikes, PvP, gambit. Players are disengaged and bored
2. The game is unstable. Every season launch is bug-ridden, and server stability is unacceptable for a game that is the mature phase of its product lifecycle
3. The narrative arc is a mess; even the lore streamers can't make it hang together and this season has been a low point. It's hidden in an obscure mission that most people will have missed and it makes no sense
4. The overwhelming chat I hear is that we're being milked - pay to win is here, we're being double and triple dipped with all the cool cosmetics being locked in the store.
5. Bungie has moved on. It's not investing in Destiny 2 anymore. The resources have shifted to Marathon. How can you create a 'strike team' to do work that's supposed to be part of the core?
Spot on
My only thing about this is, with how quick the turn around and response was to be like look we fucked up we're sorry, they could have been doing this the whole time and should have
Oh yeah, it took the entire community and content creators inside the community and outside the community to collectively shit on Bungie's decisions for a genuine shift in a good direction to be made. This isn't a good sign for what's to come if that's what we need to do to get Bungie to not make terrible decisions.
@@bruce2655 and even then this is still just their word. No clue to the extent of what they will deliver on and the quality they put in. They are always good ab making good talk, executions a different story
I wonder how big the stick that Sony threatened them with was?
Although they agreed to let Bungie remain independent, you better believe they still have some recourse after a 4 billion investment.
If what he says was true about it being miscommunication, they would have started to walk this back almost immediately. This seems like the results of dozens of meetings on what they can promise without 'overdelivering' and being cleared by legal.
The "issues" that are holding these modes out of the playlist are, according to them, stuff like "We didn't record mode-specific VO with Shaxx," not "the gameplay isn't good." So like... very, very bad reason to just hold modes back for months or years. As you say, more or less, I expect nothing until we get an actual delivery. We have been seeing a "renewed focus on PVP" since Forsaken.
Bungie comms are ALWAYS long on self-congratulation and flexibly worded future promises - sometimes the congratulations are deserved and the promises are followed up on, other times it's that State of the Game. But they've long since lost any chance of me (and I think most of the community) just taking them at their word when it comes to this stuff. I'm sure the showcase will get me hype for Final Shape and I never had any intention of not playing that much anyway, but when that's over I hope they are prepared for just how many people they stand to lose if all they can deliver is more of the same.
You’re the second person I’ve heard say we’d be getting a map pack “once a year” when I heard it as a one time thing. Was there something somewhere else that confirms it’s happening more often?
I wish people would differentiate between the business side of companies and the people who actually work on the game. The developers have no control over pricing, eververse, hiring more people etc.
And even then, it’s just a game for entertainment, nothing more. People get way too invested into something that is utterly meaningless at the end of the day.
@@TheHeadinchargeyou are incompetent.
🥾🤤🤡
They can't and never will. You could give them the whole run down too and they'll ignore you while calling you a bootlicker or tell you to cope. People are so odd
Much respect for Joe, I think this was a very good format. I hope we get more communication like this. And I hope the larger, more reasonable part of the community can overshadow the small toxic and loud part
I hope we can have a productive ongoing dialog with the devs. This is up to us to not f$&k up. I'm sure we don't condone this behavior as a community but it doesn't take many to ruin it for us all. I'm hopeful be we have to be better as a community too. That includes each other.
It would be nice but there are people that don't know how to be decent human beings.I saw on twitter that one of the cm can have epilapsy seizures and somebody gifted her something that was flashing light to cause her a seizure.
@holycrusaderofgod8561 It doesn't surprise me sadly. Stupid kids thinking they're being edgy on the internet. Consequences be damned.
@@steveeymann6374 I just hope in his streams there will be actual feedback but there will be a lot of shitty trolls.I hope that his streams are not at 4 am for time cause I really want to bring to his attention that there is a bug where sometimes the loadout won't change a piece of armour's look
@@holycrusaderofgod8561it’s like when that writer with photosensitive epilepsy tried to point out that issue in cyberpunk and somehow some really shitty people thought the rational response to legit concerns and criticism was to try and send them stuff to induce seizures
Least they're getting feedback. Majority of my clan just doesnt care anymore, good or bad and aren't coming back. Silence is much worse than what theyre getting now, even if they deserve some of it
Just keep expectations low people. Thought everyone learned that after curse of osiris, shadowkeep, ect…
My biggest complaint is why they remove content people have paid for, could a player get a refund after playing for 6 months? It shows how horrible can be 'live only services', when they have all the rights to remove the content you paid, for less content in the future, which is also pay walled.
Xur is also useful for anyone who missed a certain god roll that just never dropped. Cartesian for example, until it's in the loot pool again, Xur/Banshee are your only methods of obtaining the weapon and if you're lucky a god roll for it. And at the moment for any Deepsight past seasonal weapons you couldn't obtain. I.E. Path of Least Resistance from Seraph
Joe seems like a very nice person and very chill guy. Of course most of us don’t know him. But I’d hate to see his stream go badly with tons of trolls in the chat. I also hope he has a lot of mods who will wield that ban hammer with impunity.
It’s just life. You’ll always have nice people and then there will be assholes. The answer is never to run away
@@mkloven101the answer is to act like a decent human being and not harass people over the internet, especially not those who work for a company that takes employee safety very seriously.
@@vlvtmnky1142 I agree, however not everyone follows these principals
I hate Bungie's way of dealing with things.
I am sick of these devs only giving a shit when a big expansion is around the corner or when the community is so upset that they feel like they need to calm us down.
It feels like they only "give a shit" when the community is going nuts and when they need to captivate our attention before an expansion comes out just to make some money. How much do you want to bet that in a few months aftee Final Shape , the game will return to the shitshow that it is right now? They only seem to care because it can affect the sales of FS, not because they actually care about making THE GAME good.
Wow guys. I'm really glad it took till the final major DLC destiny2 will probably ever have to actually have the director speak to us, clarify issues and actually be transparent. - Sorry but destiny 2 should have done this with beyond light. Its too little to late.
I understand the ritual armor set situation, but it is far more important for me that bungie fixes technical issues. What I mean is: around the time when witch queen was released, they promised to fix the occasional disappearance of some environmental shadows on Xbox Series consoles and PS5. I don’t know about Xbox, but on Ps5 it still hasn’t been fixed. I have the feeling this bug got even a little bit worse this season.
Also, I’d like to know what’s up with the development of the Tarrabah and Thorn catalysts.
I think buffs and rebuffs could use some substantial rework. Stuff like Cure flashing orange on your health bar itself to show how much health/shield were restored or restoration giving the health bar a flames effect. Invis has always been a silly screenside buff imo since your first person perspective shows your hands and gun turning invisible. Weaken could be a cracked health bar, etc etc. they have a lot of UI to work with and it bothers me that ALL buffs and debuffs “need” screenside timers.
All I see is more talk about final shape and how much better it will be, „it’s ok you guys just keep playing and we pinky promise it will for sure get better this time”. Surely everybody at this point realized this is bungie’s business model? Eternal carrot dangling without actually delivering. Hell, I’m sure the main reason why so many players stuck with this game through the years was because they realised it had potential. But I think it’s high time to realise that the gaming industry doesn’t reward excellence, it rewards mediocrity. And bungie is perfectly aware of that fact. They aren’t incompetent or understaffed, they’re lazy.
The pvp stuff sounds good and promising, the armor talk just sounds like oops sorry here’s one cookie and that’s it
Just like the prophecy dugeon...
The PvP one is a cookie too, you are a fool to believe it and don’t forget to preorder final shape !
Datto certified meat rider
I think we'd be lucky to get 3 maps out of the map packs, they seem to be buckling under the weight of the 2 raids and dungeons a year.
dont pre order guys ❤
Talk is cheap. Now deliver. Don't get how Bungie stated recently that they are going to hold content creators more accountable for their audience's behaviour but Bungie accepts very little responsibility for its audience's behaviour towards them and the game.
I'd like to have more simple armors, ngl.
I commented on Fallout and Aztecross's reacts ... I'm worried about Joe.
I hope he streams with good established streamers who have strong moderation teams - and then add in the Bungie moderators - I hope he doesn't try to go it alone.
Also please everyone - be your best selves. I want Bungie people to feel safe and be eager to jump out and talk to us.
Other than that I am pretty happy with what he *said* ... we just need to wait and see how they *deliver.*
Omg who cares it’s the internet
This @@omensoffate person is an example of how we should not act.
I don't know if you understand ... but you are advocating real harm to real people.
Stop.
@@unknownuser069 how am I advocating harm with what I said? Words on the internet is harm? Grow up
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YES. Words on the internet are harm. Real harm.
Also, you seem particularly uninformed ... but Bungie employees have been stalked and threatened. Fortunately I do not believe any were physically harmed.
Once again though, real actual harm and actual real world crimes are occuring.
So, please take your own advice: grow up.
@@unknownuser069you are incompetent.
Interesting take - I actually got the opposite vibe from Joe's video, it felt more like he was told by some executive to get ahead of this problem. Seems like a sales tactic to me.
I'm also not a huge fan of how you criticize the community regarding communication. Yes there is some bad actors but that's not everyone and you can't blame the community for scaring Bungie. (It was just a convenient excuse for Bungie to cease professional communication)
I think there are enough crucible modes. Why is there this idea that we need more modes over maps? What does everyone else think?
Well as someone who avidly plays pvp, new modes can be super fun and I don’t think people understand yet how big the checkmate game mode is for high end pvp players. Checkmate is a game mode that high end players have been dreaming of since forsaken dropped and now it’s here which is awesome
For the UI they should make symbols for buffs like radiant and devour and put them above the weapon bar so the left side of the screen can be used for weapon perks and encounter timers and such.
PR handed Joe the script to try to placate the buying public to pre order next week. That's it.
I don’t believe that at all. He’s not good enough an actor (or speaker) to make him look like he was speaking off the cuff. Plus, as somebody who does PR for a living, no PR professional would have written anything resembling this. I do believe the impetus was to save preorders, but I believe he believes every word he spoke here. I think Bungie hit their “oh shit” trigger and begrudgingly acknowledged that SOTG was the step too far that would send the game on a path of no return and they abruptly changed course.
Whether or not they follow through on everything is a fair debate. But this wasn’t a PR stunt. It was a genuine on the fly change of strategy.
Datto reacts to Bungie reacting to our reaction to the State of the Game
11:24 lol the 360s
I rewatched Joes video and he does say they will probably talk about the live service aspect some point during the showcase. I think Datto misheard that part.
We've been here before, now I'm just tired, I expected it not because it was needed but more because of the timing, he stated at the start nothing about the state of the game will be addressed in the showcase, which to be fair is what I'd expect, it's a showcase of the Final Shape and what it will contain, but the timing gives it all an air of "we know your pissed and here's what we're going to do about it, please pre-order the Final Shape...".
All the changes he talked about are similar to what we've heard before, the map pack sounds good because we've had a drought of maps coming into the game, we don't need map packs we just need more than one map once a year, Disjunction is a Frankenstein's monster of a map, it's design by committee and it shows. The armour situation is understandable but I still don't see why they can make bangers for raids, dungeons, and eververse, but making one decent set for free is too hard. The strike teams for content is annoying, if the game was supported properly we wouldn't need them, they are what should be expected not a carrot when things are bad, smoke and mirrors and it's an insult to our intelligence, it shouldn't be a thing if they supported the game like they should, we are paying customers, Destiny is not F2P, it's free to try, you want the latest greatest you have to pay, and it isn't cheap, to say nothing of paid content being pulled from the game. All in all I just see it as a stop gap short term band aid to try and limit pre-order sales damage, cynical yes, but Bungie's record in the past is what made me this way when it comes to them making promises. Justin Truman's GDC 2022 presentation has aged like milk in the desert, and so it should've, a fucking embarrassment by any metric.
Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. It's all so familiar it's a joke now, except it's not funny. Sad thing is after the showcase everyone will be pissing their pants and will pre-order the expansion like none of this ever happened and guess what, we'll be back here again, I know it, you all should know it, and Bungie sure as fuck knows it. As a group gamers are the dumbest cunts on the planet we are on the level of plant life, flat earthers point at us and laugh that's how fucking gullible we are, what's worse is we allowed it to become like this even worse still some of us act as apologists for the way it is.
Only took them ( insert amount of time here because they are not clear with us STILL over years... amount of time ) for them to make a crucible " strike team "?!?! It's a core game mode?!?! So is gambit?!?! Why were they ignoring it and not having a TEAM for the CORE game modes that they WANT us to play? Reallllyyyyyyy seems like a damage control situation and they still don't care to me. I dunno.
"Dont let perfection be the enemy of good" should be the new philosophy of the game
When Datto said “In case you zoned out while I was talking” That was me and how tf did you know?
I had figured they had separate team's for PvP/PvE and map/areas. Weird that they don't. Where does all the money they make go? How do they not have the resources to make more than one thing at a time?
side note: stop making the hunter cloaks short and ugly. make em LONG
I love how you defended them in your previous video while even them admitted they were wrong. Truly the shill of all time.
I would cavoite the most players can decipher buffs with most players who have ok to good eyesight can decipher buffs and debuffs. the poorly sighted/legally blind crew like myself would like more overtly visual buffs since trying to look closer to read is tough in an fps.
I'm so confused by the intro being Datto's voice-over over someone else
He's making sure you know who and what he's talking about?
It really is crazy. I swear, some people think the devs are moustache-twirling villains with the goal of ruining the game in the most aggravating ways possible.
Its like this in other games, too. There are things in D2 and in ESO that really annoy me, balancing things, bugs, cash store stuff etc. Chances are, the devs are probably EVEN MORE annoyed than I am at most of these things! When they say that they want do to something, like fix bugs or add more to pvp or stuff like that, I believe them. It all comes down to if the devs themselves are actually given the time / money to actually do these things.
only question now is will they actually deliver or is it more empty promises like the good old "renewed focus" on pvp
Get over it
I think this feels like a different type of promise than that. This was much more honest, humble, etc.
You wouldn’t be satisfied if they focused purely on PVP. You’ll never be happy
The ritual eververse set and a new map will probably drop now but wouldn’t be surprised if everything else will probably be pushed back hoping people will forget these promises. This isn’t the first time we’ve heard this song and dance before with questionable results, this is either gonna fall into bungie just talks or they surprise people and do the things they said
@@awesomeguy9513 idk what you're even thinking would get 'pushed back'
POINT MADE: you can get your point about across about your unhappiness with the state of the game without being disrespectful.
Now that Crucible is gettin some MUCH needed love, I hope they shift their eyes to strikes once all this PvP stuff is taken care of
lol remember the renewed focus on pvp? The gun focus that was followed by the most overpowered abilities the franchise has ever seen? Wake up. We're in the final form of pvp. This is it.
Thanks for the response! We as a community need to hold a standard for ourselves and our content. I'm all down for respectful respite! And especially working with Bungie and improving the game for sure
I would just like to make a quick point on the "online harrassment" of the devs or anyone else online. I did a fair amount of research on this topic a few years back mainly on doxing and online harrasssment (threats and written abusive language). Doxing seems to have a very high correlation to the rest of it. The idea being once u give out someones personal information, people are much more likely to use that information to harass someone than if they had never gotten the information. Pretty self explanitory there. Doxing is a big bad for sure. But doxing takes up a very VERY small proportion of the online harassment reported in the overall sphere of activity. The rest of it has very little correlation between someone making a threat online and an actual crime being committed... almost so little correlation that u can barely connect the 2. One reason for this is that most people who are wanting to commit a crime against a person... very rarely announce it online before hand. Then when you try and find causation, u really run into trouble... like maybe the people were going to commit a crime against them anyway and the online part was just a kind of warning more than a step on the path. It gets hard to say. It def does happen in certain situations. Most commonly with stalking and things like that, especially when people already know each other in real life. But in these cases the online abuse is just one more form that the perpetrator can use. Certainly not the most concerning. From what i could tell, most of the online harassement is not necessarily a non-issue, but in many cases, i believe we just haven't adapted to the technology so it feels alot more real than it is and perception becomes reality. Throughout human history, if u had 1000 people outside of ur house yelling at you, u had a real reason to be concerned and it would weigh heavily upon u. Now adays, 1000 people online feels the same as if they are standing right outside...our nervous system seems to process it the same... but they arent outside of ur house. We just need time and information to kind of clear the air with all of this. Anyways, of course, no one should harass anyone online, but i believe sunlight is the best disinfectant, so use this information how u will.
It doesn't take a year to create a PVP map. No matter the excuse. The real reason is it isn't something you buy. That is the real reason.
I still don't quite get why everyone keeps acting like 'the state of the game' is some sacred text. It's just a wellness check, like the name indicates?
ngl I thought that datto became joe blackburn for a second
You can’t fool me, I know the hunter from the cutscene with drifter is holding him at gun point from behind the camera
Really honestly praying Joe can have a good time streaming next season. Honestly sounds really entertaining to see a high up Dev play the game especially if he decides to do some harder content 😊 personally Ik I’ll catch the first stream and wish him good luck
It would be nice to play the PvP game mode I want on the map(s) I want.
The last time they made a strike force for destiny 2 was inbetween curse of Osiris and Warmind and I can not understate how much that changed the game, so this seems to be very good news for PvP players but as always recently, we will have to see it to believe it I guess.
they should make buffs all have a little icon that’s made clear in the item description then use them to shove more info into a small place on the side of the screen
Is that a Deja Entendu poster on Joe’s wall?
One thing I'm wondering is where exactly is this PVP "Strike Team" coming from. Are they devs from another team or were they working on something like Marathon before that? If the latter turns out to be true that would be very telling.
NEW OPINION JUST DROPPED
Keep the written Stog then have a follow up video/stream by Joe like this that goes over a few points excluded or in more detail on the oddly worded parts
This is literally just a PR campaign. It's nothing more than damage control the week before the reveal for Final Shape. Bungie has spent enough time talking. They don't deserve any praise until they actually do something.
I thought I had an opinion until datto dropped this video.
Was getting worried I’d have to form my own opinion. Saved yet again 🙏
@@tucker2138😂
I'm glad Joe Bungie himself came out to talk to us and it felt genuine but it's really hard to just be happy when it feels like it's always this big down and a little bit of up. Bungo has been a few patches away from making crucible competitive and fun for years and they always introduce an artifact mod or a weapon that on paper and in the live game will OBVIOUSLY break PvP, nerf an exotic that wasn't even an issue, or make a change that seems like it wasn't playtested or anyone looking at the change can tell it isn't gonna really move the needle on whatever problems it was supposed to solve. I'm not gonna sit here and say I don't have fun playing Destiny anymore because if I didn't I wouldn't still be playing and commenting on destiny stuff but I will say I'm apathetic to most of the announcements now because of the way things have been carried. I'm not going to be excited for final shape or any of the announcements for it, I'll play the game casually as I want to, and I'm going to watch and wait to see what Bungie does but I've said it a thousand times at this point: Destiny's feel is something that can't be replaced so there will never truly be a destiny killer. With that being said; How they managed to fumble the bag on satisfying the pvp community after making one of the most successful competitive and party shooters is beyond me. "Classic" Halo solved matchmaking, community contributions and cooperation, good pvp maps, and a solid but unique and fun sandbox and the community was so dedicated they kept the Halo 2 servers going for as long as they could the day they were supposed to go offline. All of that produced a loyal and passionate fanbase so the whole population problems probably wouldn't be an issue if Bungie full on gave the core playlists the love they deserve. If this is supposed to be your core gameplay, people should want to play it, not feel forced to. I
will continue to die on this hill. Bungie also said it themselves; there's no point in advertising the seasons before the day they drop because people have already bought them so they already know they'll make bank so what's the harm and loss in supporting the main content (that is permanently in the game) that people are supposed to play? You know why people buy DLCs and 20$ eververse ornaments? To take that power crept gear and drip into pvp, raids & dungeons, and nightfalls so put some genuine elbow grease into your main content and I can almost guarantee that population problem will disappear. I mean come on people give 343 shit for all the scummy things they do but even after a dumpster fire release MCC is still doing numbers because: it's battle pass system is ahead of it's time, the cosmetics aren't predatory (and they're optional to view in multiplayer), the matchmaking somehow improved on classic halo's, and even years later it's still fun to just play through the campaigns with friends. How destiny struggles in some areas baffles me, considering it's still bungie and it's being made in a modified version of the very same engine they used to make the games that built the loyal and passionate pvp community in the first place.
I'm honestly surprised there isn't a payload pvp game mode. We get to play overwatch in Lake of shadows and in Vow but shocked there isn't one in crucible.
why do people care if he streams or not? He won't be allowed to say anything that hasn't been cleared.
It was a large part of why communication died down? *checks brain from playing destiny since it came out.
Nope. That’s never really been the case. They only have ever really communicated in a static fashion, usually after they shit the bed.
George Orwell would be amused by this doublethink.
My response to Datto’s response to Bungie’s response to the community’s response to the state of the game is finally here