The TikTokification of Drama
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- čas přidán 22. 07. 2024
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━CHAPTERS━
00:00 telling you a little story about cakegate drama
01:58 the tiktokification of drama
02:28 aura ad
03:36 tattogate drama
06:19 holding people "accountable" online
09:17 baseball mean girl drama and doxxing
13:52 you're not posting to no one
17:02 it's ok to be a drama frog
18:10 let's talk about jake novak and andyy negative
22:41 conclusion
tags: #tiktok #drama - Komedie
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@@chocolateavianhuh
You wearing a sweater while it's 97° and it makes me feel feelings
4:37
Pfft .. more like DIMPLE sticker lmao with them cute lil dimples on your cheeks
(Talking about the *face* )!
Quit picking at your pimples...
Tiktok should not have had as much of an impact on society as it did
Did??
Does*
Impact? Besides most memes now just being bad tiktoks, it hasn't had any. It's easily ignorable.
meanwhile tiK tok in china is educational
@@TheDaidai05yeah it should be pretty telling at the sort of content that is being promoted on the platform in China, compared to the US.
I truly think it would have gotten as successful as it is without the circumstance of all of us being stuck inside with nothing better to do for a year or two or even still
I wish people would direct this energy to contacting their elected representatives and providing feedback during the public comment period when their city/state makes new regulations
This assumes most people have basic political and social education.
IF we had an actual democracy.......
Can confirm. Source: am City Councilman
Very, very few residents ever contact the city especially regarding policy considerations.
In 75% of the US, if you and two friends each shoot an email to your local electeds they'll treat it like your issue is polling at 90%.
True, priorities are fkd.
That would literally be less effective than just making the shitty tiktoks rofl
When I was sixteen years old, I had my full name and address doxxed to thousands of people over a misunderstanding in a videogame. This led to me (and subsequently my immediate family) being swatted more than seven times over the course of eight or nine months. We had to move house and open a police investigation. I still have nightmares and frequent panic attacks at the age of twenty because of the situation. I had to spend years in therapy because of it.
These things have real, legitimate, awful effects on people. Normalizing it in any way is horrifying and I would not wish this experience on anyone.
yeah, i hate how people are just so nonchalant about doxxing, like it's some harmless thing and not something that literally ruins people's lives.
and then sometimes, the police have the audacity to get angry at YOU, the victim
I'm glad you and your family are safe now and didn't get physically injured in any way. It's insane how some individuals disconnect from reality and cause harm to others in the real world over something virtual. I stopped playing some games like multi-player war games with guilds/alliances/unions because the environment was so toxic and how serious some individuals took playing the game.
@@smellmelater Yeah. I had them on multiple occasions try to trick me into "admitting" that it was me making the phone calls. At one point they told me, "Well the number that called us was your number!" so I spent weeks terrified that the perpetrators had gotten a hold of my phone number. It took me ages to realize that the police didn't even know what my number was -- they were just trying to get me to slip up and "confess" to swatting myself.
Im so sorry you went through that
So brave of Gabi to wear garlic cloves as earrings, truly one of the moments of all time
😆😆👏🏾
really got to watch out for vampires
Tbh, didn’t think they were garlic cloves until she said something and now I can’t unsee it 😂
They go well with the heart tattoo
I genuinely thought they were bananas
Scary that we are living in a world where every action in a public space has the potential to take over our entire lives
literally terrified to be in public in ‘trendy’ areas bc what if someone is filming me to post on tiktok and put on blast?
100% agree u never know who's filming. I grew up long before phones but even at my age if I saw something crazy or cringe I would get my phone out and film (or intervine if necessary ofc) not a good time to be crazy or entitled, u will get exposed
This is literally one of my main reasons for not leaving the house (besides fear for safety). I look ugly asf and stim bc anxiety in noticeable ways. The internet does NOT need to see that 😭😭😭
Welcome to the panopticon
@@Navarro1030what is a panopticon?
not downloading TikTok is self care ✨
I just deleted it,,,,,,,, so incredibly real
I recently ended a friendship and one of the reasons was that she would pester me to download tiktok
nah, tiktok to me is self care, no drama on my fyp, just punk people complaining about the government in cool ass outfits, thats perfect for me
I'm the only one in my family without it and I repeat that in my head every time they try to get me to download it
I had to explain to my mother why I dont like tik tok. My own parents use social media more than me😂
I had this woman paint in my house recently and it was obvious she was not an actual professional and I had to ask her not to return to finish despite paying her in full for the job. She was obviously financially struggling and openly discussed some serious mental health issues with my wife and I, so despite her leaving all of her crap at my house and being pretty rude about the whole thing, i didnt even leave her a review online. Sometimes the best thing you can do for even yourself is to just let stuff go and assume that person was just having a REALLY off day. Most people don't deserve to have their life/livelihood ruined.
It ain't like she was gonna continue being a painter tho, she probably had nothing to do with painting until right when she realized she could make a quick buck off you doing it
Thanks for being a decent human being.
You're a much better person than I would be in that situation 💀 I want my money back and I wouldn't want anyone else to have to deal with that mess.
@@iinathaniii2 she's a contractor, she unfortunately had good reviews on Nextdoor. Hired her bc someone specifically recommended her for stairwell painting. So hopefully, this was a fluke.
@@joelman1989so what, screw the next guy that comes along and sees all the great reviews and praise, let them find out the hard way how much she sucks? That makes this guy a ‘decent human being’?
You don’t have to be a dick with the review, but there are countless people that read reviews and rely on that to find people to do work on their home/car/person, and this obviously subpar quality just gets to play a fun game of ‘kick the can down the road’ to the next person. This does not make him a decent person, this makes him a selfish asshole that’s willing to burn down everything to save some feelings.
Despite what you may believe, facts are always more important than feelings- it’s what you do with these facts that determine whether or not you are a ‘decent human being’.
The book "So You've Been Publicly Shamed" by John Ronson is an interesting investigation into why people feel the need to join a social media shaming dogpile, and what becomes of the poor souls who survived it. This definitely isn't a new thing, I think that book came out in 2016, and uses examples that go back to 2010 I think. Real good.
I've read it! I think it should be mandatory reading in schools as well as this topic being included in the curriculum. Which is a very sad thing to say that we should have to do. 😢
Ooh I wanna read that
Yesss I read it recently and seeing the similarities between public shaming in the last decade and now shows how big of an issue it’s been for years!
This goes back to putting someone in the stocks with their crime around their neck so that everyone in the town square can mock them. The only difference is that the town square can be anyone with a phone (which is a big difference, don't get me wrong there), but to me the idea is the same.
Ronson is amazing! Psychopath Test and the Men Who Stare at Goats are great.
Are we not gonna talk about the absolute irony of somebody doxing a person while saying "Bullying is unacceptable"? Chef kiss
Bullying is unacceptable, but a literal crime _is_ acceptable!
It reminds me of how I've heard kids say that most of the school bullies are in some type of Anti Bullying Committee at their school
Well, Crips founder was in anti gang committee, it doesn't get weirder than that
I hate the take that internet in general is bad for you, but the combination of twitter and tiktok has spawned apathetic vindictive minions and I hate it
Yeah like I don’t hate it .. but I get it
Well the existence of the internet is bad for the environment, which will eventually loop back to you.
agreed, the internet is great! in moderation, like everything else 🤪
that's even worser
Internet is cool, but social media that emphasizes doomscrolling / addiction instead of genuine connection is fucking awful
The thing that bothers me most about cybervigilantism is how it disempowers victims. They don't get a choice in how to handle the situation, because the vigilantes don't even ask them before they act.
The thing is... holding someone accountable is important, but sometimes the internet treats abusing children and supporting na*ism, overcharging and being unprofessional, and just being cringe as if they were all the same. Like, yes, if someone is se*ually abusing kids on Tik Tok and you find out where they live and call the police, that's completely fair and logical reaction. But if someone just made a cringey song and you find their address and go harassing them...
But too many people for some reason don't get the difference
I hate how someone can be minding their business out in public and suddenly someone filming them decides they didnt do or react the way they want and put them online for everyone to go hunt them down when they didn’t sign up to be in this in first place.
This!!
I gotta say, I am so scared that I'm just doing something normal in life and people think it's okay to film me.
Yeah I don't feel even a little bad for that much bigger influencer who's like a haul youtuber with a substantial following being """bullied"""" by two random girls who are annoyed that they're being filmed at a ball game or whatever. She had to know what would happen. She was being intentionally ignorant.
A lot of these people weren't minding their own business
The problem is the crazy autistic people that hunt them down. I have never given that much of a shit about even my own drama
Would you say this is a…toxic gossip train?
No, it's a TikToxic gossip train...
I am sorry--
@@Lewis_McCartneyShe never said sorry though…
I-
bring out the ukelele!
💀
I remember when the ‘Supreme Court’s’ members credit cards were leaked and people used them, only to find out that one of the cards leaked was of an innocent girl who lived on her own and now couldn’t afford to feed her cat and it broke my heart.
The credit card company didn't flag it for fraud?
@@urlocalcrypt1d762 I’m not sure. It’s different for every company but she was in the process of disputing the charges as she made the video
@@urlocalcrypt1d762 I mean even just one purchase before it gets flagged for someone who's struggling can be the difference between food on the table and not. like when I was really short on money I ate plain pasta for a week so that i had money for my pets food, if someone even took €5 out of my account that would be the difference for me
Tbh I think it’s really crazy how comfortable people are at recoding random strangers. It’s so strange.
You're comfortable to let private companies record you in public. What makes this different?
@@singithi8556 when i walk into a store im consenting, like target. i know they are filming me because my local target has a speaker in the parking lot letting you know im being filmed. but lets say im at my place of work and someone think i look silly/stupid or whatever and films me without letting me know its weird. do you go around filming people?
another example can be that guy who was not accepted into juilliard, so his fans and followers decided to leave mean and angry comments under the school's instagram posts, like, really? just because you like the guy?
YES this was insane…
Let Axel in!!!!
@@ghosti287 haha yeah!! 👹
WAIT I REMEMBER THIS 😭😭😭
and he wasn't even qualified at all, he tried to get into an acting school having never read any shakespeare lmao
and it was crazy, he ended up getting a modeling gig out of the whole thing, like how tf did he manage that,,he's like luigi, he won by doing absolutely nothing
it's interesting to me that the first thought for most people is to attack the "offender"instead of comforting the "victim"
YES! that’s what believing the victims means, but people just want their revenge porn and ditch them
@@bluebeesmarplethats so real, and there was a case of a someone lying, they all went after the actual victim, no one comforted the real victim and no one went after the real offender??
It doesn’t even have to be angry online people. Remember kombucha girl? She got fired from her job as a banker because so many people recognized her as a meme and she couldn’t be taken seriously. She didn’t do anything wrong, just reacted to a drink which happened to become a funny meme
honestly that sounds like such bs, i get how someone is online to a certain extent reflects on who they are in real life, but also you should be able to separate the meme from the person, and that's such a bullshit reason to fire her.
I’m paraphrasing a post on tumblr, but people mock cringe because they’re uncomfortable with imperfection and vulnerability that doesn’t mock itself. It takes strength to publicly show that you’re a work-in-progress like everyone else, and people who mock them for it are jealous that they don’t have the grit to express themselves with sincerity. They hide behind a shell of sarcasm when things feel too real for them.
If you yourself are guilty of this type of behavior, I get you. I was once that type of person, too. You are capable of growing into a better person, and I encourage you to do so.
this is a great way of explaining it
Love your comment. I think you've hit upon a lot of truth there. I frequently admit when I'm not super proficient at something. I'm pretty good at being able to laugh at myself but I've noticed that some people get weird when I do that because I think they expect me to hide my "flaws" better. So my drawing of a pacifier drawn on a plate while holding it on top of my head during a dumb baby shower game didn't turn out being the next Monet? I've gotten less insecure as I've gotten older and don't mind laughing at things like that.
A few years back a friend came over with her baby and they left a cute stuffed turtle rattle behind. I literally didn't see that friend again for a few years and when I DID know I was going to be seeing her I brought it along. She was weirdly embarrassed and indignant that I had brought it. Keep in mind we had been best friends in middle and high school. She tried to embarrass and mock me for bringing it and tried to get everyone else around us involved in our conversation so that they could also make fun of me. She told me I should have just thrown it away and that I was lame for bringing it basically. I told her that I would never throw away something that didn't belong to me, and for all I knew it had been given to her by somebody she cared about or maybe she'd like to pass it on to someone else. When I stood up for myself instead of caving she got really quiet and weird and took the rattle back to her car. I think she really expected me to get all flustered and feel ashamed and that that would somehow make her feel powerful. She was always someone who never felt very confident. Obviously I should have just mailed the rattle to her but I always expected we'd see each other sooner than we actually ended up seeing each other. I had a baby of my own and life was a bit hectic.
this is really refreshing to read
I think that's a lovely thought but I don't think that's what makes something cringe at all. It's the lack of self awareness and inability to realise that something is just bad and overconfidently spruiking something that in most people's opinions just sucks.
I have ZERO noteriety, but I did work at a theme park as a performer for a few years singing and dancing. Even the 10-15 people who came to every show, 5 times a day ALL SUMMER would build these parasocial relationships in their heads about us. One time one of them saw outside of the amusement park at a restaurant and were acting out trying to get me to pay attention to them. It was the most uncomfortable thing I have ever experienced. I really feel for Jake Novak and people like him. At least I knew the people that were stalking me.
Lmao WHAT?! Stalking a theme park employee? That's insane. What is wrong with people? I'm so sorry that happened to you, it must've been awful.
@@crazyowlgirlcncowner for me it wasn't that bad, but sometimes if you posted on FB that you were somewhere they would "magically" show up too.
Another performer I worked with was stalked by a security guard at the park. The guard followed him home one night, he had to call the police and she tried to tell the police he was her boyfriend and they were just fighting. He was gay. She was barking up the wrong tree but she had built up a relationship in her head that didn't exist.
@@SirSeabassjesus thats scary as hell
@@nah4437 for real though. These parasocial relationships are crazy.
Reminds me of that period of Tumblr when a bunch of people got obsessed with one of the people playing Peter pan at one of the Disney theme parks. Most of the interactions seemed to be pretty wholesome but some people would just follow him and interfere with his interactions with the kids and just generally be uncomfortable nuisances.
As someone who has never used tiktok, I hate how it has been so impactful in todays society
As someone who has used TikTok 19 hours this week according to TikTok and my phone… I also agree. But I mostly just use TikTok for memes so I never see TikTok drama on my fyp. Unless I go on CZcams, then I’ll see it and think it’s dumb.
i used to use it 24/7 and finally got rid of it and i’m so much happier now than i was when i was practically addicted to it, so, i agree
So did Tumblr MySpace and Facebook settle down lol
@@burpdragoni don't think that's true at all
I used it briefly before I left, disgusted by how emotionally unintelligent, media illiterate, and straight up dumb the app itself is. Plus I can’t stand the app itself. It makes itself stupider
I find that this gen’s bullying culture is becoming so strong but defended by a wrong sense of Justice or humour. Gen z is ruthless with the bullying online now but instead of the typical “you suck!” You see on anti-bullying ads it’s “bro who wears this 💀💀” while recording some random people minding their own business. I hate this culture and why I will never download tiktok just because of the toxicity surrounding it, it’s already causing anxiety in impressionable teens.
I saw this tiktok once (ironic I know) where the girl was making fun of how bullying is portrayed. Like movie bully, "Where did you get those pants, loser? At the loser store???" And then actual bullies irl, "Oh, wow, those pants are so cute. Yeah, super cute, Hannah aren't those pants so cute? We should all go out and get matching pairs, right? 😏"
The ways people bully just isn't shown appropriately across any medium, and it can be harder to recognize it and parse the differences
Someone online described fandom's purity culture problem as consuming media being the only way we can express ourselves, and so what kind of media you consume inevitably becomes a moral issue. Harassing someone who's "stupid" automatically makes you "smart". Doxxing someone who's "bad" is a shorthand way of saying you're "good". Humiliating someone who's "cringe" obviously puts you on the side of being "cool". By interacting with the internet, we are all trying to make a statement about the kind of people that we are, which is a lofty goal when nothing ever dies on the internet but we as people change every day.
Fascinating!
the fact that the baseball girl had defend the girls who were making fun of her because the internet was taking it too far... the people doing that stuff somehow made it WORSE for the girl who was affected
I think what gets me about it is that it's a baseball game, like, they look drunk as hell. Which is normal at a sporting event. Like it's so not a big deal. Was it a nice thing? No, but it's like... It's so fine. "Oh no a stranger doesn't like me :("
@@pandakatiefominzlmao right, when i saw that girl being all mopey that two STRANGERS found her cringey, i was like…why do you care so much? you’re taking a selfie. in public. that IS cringe. don’t be mad that somebody pointed that out for you.
@@sierramobley8962what bothers me most about that is the fact that all that happened because the girl *thought* they were making fun of her.
This is my first time seeing those videos, but based on what I saw they might not have been interacting with her at all.
Like even when she claims they were recording her and saying lame how do we know they weren't sending a snap chat or something like that?
I don't know if I'm missing context, but they don't seem to know they are being recorded. They might not have been doing anything to her.
@@sierramobley8962you should be able to take pictures of yourself in public 💀
@@sierramobley8962taking selfies in public isn't cringe what??? That's normal. People take pictures at events
Remember kids: "An eye for an eye, a bing for a bong, finding justice in doxxing is just wrong" - gabi belle 2023
I really hate how random people online take it upon themselves to be judge, jury, and executioner. And usually for situations that they don’t even fully understand.
This is something you learn in any basic social psychology course: that people are rarely representative of how they act in one situation. to punish them to such an extreme is genuinely terrifying and promotes this ideology that people aren't allowed to grow. We have to be born perfect and always be perfect until we die or else we could potentially be doxed. It just creates this toxic and harmful environment where if you aren't perfect, you somehow deserve these consequences.
stuff like this genuinely does make me anxious, i have extreme anxiety around privacy and online presence, and the idea that a random person could catch me in the background or specifically try to record me is just. uuegh. If something like that actually happened to me i would like kms or something i CANNOT handle that shit 💀
same! i already have agoraphobia, if this kinda thing happened to me i would probably never leave the house again
i will say, i find the story that the baseball girls thought they were being recorded to be perfectly plausible. i wear a very strange fashion style, and it's common for me and my friends to be photographed by complete strangers who think they're not doing anything weird, and a common strategy we use to get them to see how creepy they're being is to look obviously uncomfortable/judgy or to video/photograph them right back. i can see how it would be misinterpreted as bullying in this situation (that's initially what i thought was happening as well), but when i heard that they thought they were being recorded by some rando, it all made sense to me.
Also it's at a Baseball game so they're probably a bit drunk
like the girl isn't standing so i completely believe that they might've not even realized she was posing and just saw the guy filming 😭
‘Bullying is unacceptable’ - starts bullying them back on a mass scale.
Yeah, I don’t think your living your own truth there. 🎉
I've brought up this point for a lot of things, and it fits here too. Not only tik tok but social media in general probably, is making it so so easy to dehumanize other people. Not respecting their boundaries, privacy and rights to exist, laughing all the while because this person's life being possibly ruined doesn't affect them and they'll forget about it after the hype dies down while the affected person might need years to recover. It can go as far as getting those people hurt or even them dying one way or another due to that.
Exactly how you described : "realize that those people aren't tik tok caricatures"
Everything is being TikTokified, confirmed.
God help us all
No, because words cannot describe how silly and extremely cringy it is to cry over tiktok about some stupid girls bullying you and committing a crime over it, like, ignore it people are dying and doing worse things out there, and are getting bullied over worse things I've been made fun of by my whole grade just for being autistic and I still am getting bullied for that Kim and this is not it. She should've just ignored tbh it was literally just a bunch of stupid immature college people being... Immature and embarrassing, and what the poster did was worse she knew what she was doing she got someone's life put in danger over something stupid and small that could've easily been ignored not trying to victim blame
@@Flippy991fcking everyone uses tiktok mate, and because of that its everywhere so obviously people is gonna get angry over it
@@flandechocolate9675nah fam, not everyone does because not everyone is an iPad baby. I'm sorry you've suckled the technocratic teet so much that you created a cuckold of your own life. Yikes.
I learned my lesson complaining on tik tok! I had a bad salad from McDonald's and it didn't even get many views but a major news station picked it up and wrote a click bait article about it. Led to a looooot of nasty people on Facebook saying totally unnecessary things about how I looked. Never again!
Damn
That's rough 😞, maybe posting a disappointed review would be better next time!
Dude that sucks so bad I’m so sorry that happened! That’s literally the number one reason I don’t use TikTok anymore - the way people (especially women) are so viciously attacked for EXISTING.
I am a small biz owner I'll never be on tiktok. People hunt there to find people to take out frustrations
@@alch3mystmany users are teenage boys or girls. Obviously they're vicious and immature
It’s so therapeutic to hear someone with a following say the things you’ve been thinking. thank you!
I'm disabled (wheelchair user) and I'm one of maybe... 4 disabled people I've seen out in the wild regularly, and I have a feeling there's people on tiktok right now who have recorded me without my consent and are probably being absolutely horrific about me right now. That's my fun paranoia based in real life things that happen.
i dont use any mobile aids but im neurodivergent and dress kinda alt and i always feel like someones gonna post me online... so i definitely feel you. 🫂
"TikTokification" has become a word i use in my day-to-day vocabulary when describing certain things because of Gabi
help me
The Gabification of you
i would take this one step further and question why so many people believe that accountibility means punishments and negative consequences in the first place. at the end of the day, i think accountibility should be more focused on reducing and mitigating harm rather than punishing those who cause harm. for the tattoo artist, i think accountibility would look like a full refund and a sincere apology. the baseball game incident was just a misunderstanding, so tiktok punished those girls for absolutely no reason
God yes. More people need to be like this. Life is so much better when you avoid online drama.
“They went to his job and started filming him.”
Imagine caring about a random person on the internet so much that you start *stalking them*
TikTok users will laugh at Karens and then go out of their way to leave a complaint about a business on the other side of the country / world
but nah seriously, people just want to think they're so important that their view is gospel without considering any real life consequences or have consideration for others in any shape or form. All they want to do is dramatize their opinion to make it sound more serious and urgent. They want to feel like they are the hero, that they made a change. It's a fragile ego thing, got to level up that vanity skill and be relevant.
I’ve met so many egotistical people who think they’re the main character in everyone’s lives because tiktok has warped their minds, while in reality they’re just toxic people being validated for toxic things. Scary.
Main character syndrome.
Agreed. I wonder if it comes from feeling powerless when it comes to things that actually matter.
That nickisnotgreen shout out did not age well
Thank you! I have always been flabbergasted by how little situations turn into INSANE internet drama where people that are not involved suddenly take that problem and make it their own personal crusade to fix.
I understand WANTING to post about a problem... but you have to remember that it has real repercussions in the world when you do that. I also realize that life is unfair, everything is not always going to be perfect and you may feel you wish people acted differently or situations were resolved differently. But that's cannot always happen, you can't always get what you want.
My wife asked me to buy her a decoration for her headphones from someone on tiktok, so I did, and the product was sub-par. My wife reached out to the creator with pictures of the flaws, and she refunded us.
It was so easy 😂
But the situation could've been very different if that creator decided to slam you or any other customer for simply not being satisfied with their product. And you, as the customer, have no control over that
I bought a movie case purse from a TikTok shop--the ones she advertised looked awesome.
What I received looked very last minute, slapdash, thrown together.
Reached out to the seller and got blocked, later saw my message in a video getting shit on for saying the purse was cute and would be usable-- but it's very messy and I would have to clean up a lot of hot glue drips and retack some of the felt she used.
Apparently that made me one hell of a Karen.
but that happend just in ur case. Not everyone recieves the same treatment as u
The next video in the tiktokification series should be the tiktokification of acting, tiktok "acting" needs to be talked about more
Tiktok "POVs"
tbh no that topics been driven into the dirt like every commentary channel has posted a video about either tiktok acting or pov content
@@ilovecatssosomuch I haven't seen that many videos about it. At least, not from the creators I watch
@@ilovecatssosomuchI think it could be interesting if Gabbi didn't just go the "Haha, so funny. These people are such bad actors. These videos are so cringe" route and instead spoke more deeply about the topic. Such as how it may change what people consider "good acting" in the future, how it might give someone the chance to show their work without having to wait for someone else to give them an opportunity, and how acting works when there isn't other proper cinematography to accompany it. :)
@@crazyowlgirlcncownerexactly idk why that person you replied to is so against it. Like yeah a lot of people have talked about it but there’s nothing wrong with talking about a popular topic if you bring new insight and nuance to the convo. It could actually be a really good video in my opinion especially coming from Gabi so I would be down for that
gabi i love u but the nick is not green promo absolutely aged like milk
I discovered you like two days ago, and I just love the perspective you have on things. It's so nuanced and I appreciate how you remind the listener that none of this...really matters. And it's not in a way to offend, because you also validate emotions. But you remind me to let go and not take it so seriously. It's refreshing
tattoogate: I'm fairly certain this falls under a bait-and-switch scheme and is liable to a lawsuit. Which I really hope the victim pursues.
justt want to add, in the case of the tattoo artist, she wasnt just doing overpriced consultations and scamming people that way. She tattooed people different and unapproved designs. theres an undersdtanding that not everything will look exactly as described and theres some adjustments, but the difference in art was significant. Honestly speaking, Im surprised no one has beat her ass and she has faced no real consequneces, and probably should.
Thank you for commenting on tattoogate in this video. I think that the artist's bad business practices definitely deserve and need to be called out online and that the person who posted about their bad experience should be supported by empathetic viewers. Clearly, there is a boundary where one should not leave negative reviews if they have no personal experience with the business and a boundary around cyberbullying and doxxing anyone's personal, not business, information. A tattoo is an expensive and permanent alteration to one's body, which is why I do not find this situation or the act of posting about it online to be pointless, as Gabi says it is.
Imagine how much less dramatic it could have been if either party in that baseball game thing decided to just like… say something right then and there like “what’s ur problem I’m just taking pics of my gf” or “stop taking pics of me” …. But instead people will literally post to tik tok abt it before just confronting someone IRL. It’s actually insane the internet is creating a subset of people who just don’t kno how to act around other people hahaha
that paaaart like how do people not think to ever communicate???
because it can be dangerous. what if the guy were violent towards them?
I appreciate your content a lot, especially the end reel sound bytes. It’s refreshing to see someone of my generation have such a realistic and non-toxic view of social media
It's been a WHILE since I heard someone talking about this like... a normal person. I was really worried about how much drama was out there, but even more worried about how intensely people's approach to it was becoming. Just as you said several times, "don't they have better things to do?". Really, this video was a refresher. Thank you
The tattoo "artist" who charges thousands upon thousands of dollars before even tattooing someone is much worse than a "bad business." That is life changing money for so many people and scamming people out of that regularly should never be seen as someone else's problem.
Mr. Tax Man will get it sorted. Unless full tax is being paid; in which case, nothing
And that’s a situation for the person who posted that video to deal with. Not random people on tiktok. She could have just asked for advice on how to handle the situation but instead people needed pull pseudo-vigilante bs
I agree. I don’t think anyone should be doxed or have their life threatened over it but they definitely deserve to be review bombed. The supposed tattoo artist is just a scammer and doesn’t deserve to be able to continue stealing from people.
It's wrong for sure. But if it's life changing money for you you shouldn't be putting that much in a tattoo in the first place.
Also, the amount of time she paid up front.... I'm sorry, but even the first up front is insane, but then keep paying up front for adjustments time after time and even that amount for a reservation...... come on.
@@lexievv Yeah, there is something to be said about the money spending. It's one thing to be spending money on something you really want, even if you're not the most well-off. I'm not necessarily gonna blame anybody for that. But. It is entirely another thing to continuously fall for that kind of shady practice. Like that artist did *not hide it.* At all. Just back out. Say you don't want that business. If there's a contract involved, that gets dicey but you should've read it thoroughly. And if something's happening that wasn't in a contract? Well. Don't have to go with it.
Bottomline, people like that do exist, and they specifically prey on people who fall for their shit. As much as it is their fault, and they are the ones in the wrong, …there's a reason why you need to learn how to be skeptical when it counts.
From my experience with chronically online twitter and tiktok users is that they'll act like vigilanties because of a massive savior complex but have INSANELY horrific views when it comes to shit that actually matters. These types of people who act like this are in fact the ones who are the most racist, queerphobic, xenophobic, fat-phobic and misogynistic people. This is also the reason why I don't go in tiktok anymore. Its pintrest for me now
I feel like you have read my mind and put into words the things I have recently questioned about The surge of online Drama.. and how conflated it makes most stories. Stranger than fiction. Thanks for your videos!
the nickisnotgreen recommendation aged like milk
EXACTLY i was looking for this comment lol
I can't help but think that the increased awareness at a lack of justice (in the world, but especially in America) has led to the internet vigilantism that you're describing. And, as you noted, the problem with it is that it's never an equal "punishment" for the "crime" - there's almost always innocent others who are unnecessarily harmed. It's why true vigilantism is illegal, because without due process people can't be trusted to distribute justice.
Then again, many minorities don't trust the judicial system to have "due process". It always leans towards giving minorities and people with mental disabilities harsher sentences. So I get why people don't trust the police and the criminal system to carry out fair trials.
I haven't heard about the Jake Novak situation before but I just want to say that it sounds like it's basically an audition video and as an actor who has submitted multiple audition videos I can say that audition videos are inherently cringe and embarrassing.
the other day there was this lady and two guys who came at my work and these guys were being real a-holes to my manager and coworker. my manager is in his 40's, hes an older guy, kinda overweight, but he is very friendly and kind. my other coworker is on the autistic spectrum so her social skills are not the strongest out of all of us. these two guys were being incredibly rude to my manager asking a question about some togo coffee and when my manager was trying to explain to them that it will take about 20 minutes to brew (because its fresh coffee in a giant to go container) they started flipping out. we ususally need these kinds of requests way ahead of time so that way it can be done before hand, especially in instances like this when we were in the middle of a rush since its a coffee shop and its busy in the mornings. these people then asked my coworker the same question and my manager interrupted because the two guys literally ignored him mid sentence and then when my manager was trying to explain it they said "well i was talking to her, not you" and my coworker said "well hes the manager, i think he would know better than i would". once we started making the to go coffees they were causing a scene and making the rest of the other customers uncomfortable, all the while that lady that was with them was RECORDING THE ENTIRE SITUATION. My coworker asked her if she needed any help and all she did was hold up her phone smiling and laughing at them. My coworker is a minor and you cannot record minors without their consent. Why were they recording and being complete jerks to us? I have no idea, but I imagine it has to do with this whole tiktokification of drama. They probably wanted to cause some scene and get my manager or coworker to react in a certain way so they could post it on tiktok and make a big joke out of us, but they didnt give them that kind of reaction because all of us at a coffee shop are very well prepared for these types of situations where we know not to react since we have our own security cameras in the store. They also were recording me while I was making other customer's drinks and just laughing at me, as if something about me working a minimum wage job making adult men their milkshakes is funny (actually it kinda is especially when they get upset over whipcream) but still, it's a little ridiculous how many people harass people at their jobs when were barely making ends meet just so we can become props for their tiktok channel. I hate going outside or working at my job because I never know how many people are going to harass and record me just for....working and trying to do my job.
I couldn't imagine telling another person to unalive themselves much less over a bad cake? And I know you might not have been talking about that example specifically, but knowing the Internet, they've definitely done that. I can't really say too much about bad businesses to be fair, I still shop at certain places that have ripped me off in the past.
Here is my take: this phenomenon has a psychological and a social side to it. I believe people are getting increasily frustrated with the current socio-economical background (unfair inflation, bad work conditions, the rich getting richer etc) but don't quite acknowledge, or can't acknowledge it for a number of reasons (por education being one). So at every minor problem they encounter, they just have a very angry and disproportional reaction to It. In the internet we see this mostly with white middle class gen z and millenials, but this happens with older generations too, like we've seem with "karens". I don't quite know how to solve this, however. One could say education and critical thinking is a solution, but how do we do that? It's much harder than It seems.
I was also thinking something similar! Thanks for putting it into words
totally agree, i think it's easier to be upset about things that dont matter and direct ur energy to that rather than the difficult issues we're less likely to solve
I think there's also an element of people feeling like they did something. Like so many of the problems we as individuals face are barely in our control, if they are at all, so I think people get a sense of control by getting involved in these situations that they view as unfair.
I also believe some of them don't really stop to think if their reaction is proportional or the actual extent of what the other person must be experiencing.
And of course some of them are just trolls who take some weird delight out of making others miserable.
And honestly the ones who post these things that kick off these situations I don't think intend for it to end up as big as it does. Many of these strike me as basically video reviews that somehow get picked up by the algorithm and blow up.
@@bishielurfer I didn't think about that and I agree with you, this persecution towards someone who did wrong may bring some sense of community and fighting for what they believe is "right"
I think there is also a little bit of self-justified overreaction. I'll try to explain what I mean with an example: when I was 6 or 7 there was a kid in school who was kind of a bully towards the more shy and nerdy kids. After a long time, one of these bullied kid talked to their parents who just said "if this kid hits you, you hit him back harder and he will leave you alone" (... I know...).
What happened was that now the bullied kid felt justified to beat the sh out of the "bully" every single time he was in sight. For no reason. Even as he just walked through the door in class, he would kick or punch the "bully". And he felt justified because "I suffered, so I earned this". Then I've seen people way older than kids who should be mature enough to understand how life works who over react to everything like this, even for stuff they're not remotely involved in, just because "they earned it",like the world has no consequences outside our own vendettas. People should understand that not everything is a side quest that disappears once you've completed your mission. It all keeps existing and keeps generating consequences, possibly forever. (sorry for the long rant, and if it wasn't clear, I totally agree with your points. This was just an addendum)
People care so much about this stuff and are willing to go crazy over it because its easy. Its so much easier to complain about a tiktok than to advocate for real change in political systems. They dont have to experience the afteraffects of their actions
damn this is not even a ‘boomer’ thing of you to do - it’s just being a decent human being recognising that this needs to be called out. finally this video exists! and love that log off shirt too
The more I encounter drama like this the more I agree that people have way too much anger sitting inside them and too much free time. Most of all i think this behavior stems from people wanting to join a "cause" to feel better about themselves, even if the cause is something dumb like harassing someone for making an overpriced and poorly made cake.
But yeah it's extremely unhealthy to spend so much time and effort participating in a situation that you were never personally involved in. Like if you find yourself actively seeking out a stranger's address because they're apparently an asshole, unless they straight up got away with a crime I think you need to take a deep look at yourself.
If I'm at a public event and some weirdo influencer and their camera guy start filming me without my consent, I'm gonna make a stupid face into the camera. That's not bullying. I didn't sign off to become a free extra in someone's commercial post. This shouldn't be controversial.
For real. I've seen people talk about that baseball video from both sides and it seems like most people agree the girls were bullying the tiktok girl. I feel like I am going crazy because they are literally just photobombing the girls video. Even Gabi refers to it as bullying countless times in this video
If it's a CZcamsr, have some disney music on hand to play in front of their cameras. They won't be able to post their audio bc copyright (and if they do it won't be monetized)
a few weeks ago I went to the mall with my friends and these kids started filming us for one of those TikTok interview things. they didn't get to finish it because our food came and while we were eating their older siblings came and apologized for them. thankfully it didn't blow up online
I believe that's what happened and she's making shit up and doxxing someone for clout and sympathy
Youre in a public space bozo
There's always been a weird attitude toward famous people, like they deserve to have their privacy invaded or get treated badly purely because they're famous, as though "that's what they signed up for" or whatever. I wonder if that kinda bleeds over into the whole "social media famous" thing where it's just some rando who becomes the main character for a moment, but people treat that like they're some kind of celebrity almost, and you get the same kind of attitude and behaviour. I mean damn people get weird about how many likes a youtube comment has, like there's some envy or importance attached to getting noticed at all, no matter what it's for
It makes me so sad and angry when people get bullied and harassed just for making content that makes them happy. Who cares if it’s cringe, sometimes that’s not a bad thing and makes content unique. I couldn’t ever imagine hating on someone for posting a video (that literal harms no one) of them being their self
Social media is LITERALLY publishing your opinions. You can be held accountable for such things. Thank you for bringing this up!
"Bullying in any form is unacceptable." *Bullies person about bullying*
telling the people you live with about silly drama is great
I honestly tell my bf about random YT drama I never about until I watched a favorite creator talk about it.
@@fillinggaps1975saaaame. My poor partner and friends have to constantly hear me start things with "I was watching this youtube video" or "so there's this youtuber I like."
Gabi, this is top tier content frfr. I’m legit saving this to send to all my friends. You were in fact very eloquent and said it all so well.
Love you Gabi, big fan! I have heard you say "in lieu" several times, and it means 'in place of' not 'because of', which seems to be how you're saying it. Keep up the great videos :)
The reason you (and most of us) can’t understand why people do this (in my opinion) is because people find cruelty and punishment fun. It is a pleasure reward system. It makes them feel better about themselves because they feel superior to someone. And it makes them feel self-righteous when they punish someone for their actions. Most of us watching your content, as well as yourself appear to have a lot more empathy, compassion, and understanding. Which those people do not have a lot of, it seems.
Edited: thanks for all the likes! also, fixed typos
Dude yes. It’s so hard for me to comprehend that mentality. It’s literally so far removed from my reality that I straight up cannot fathom how people act like this and LIKE IT. I feel like people are also so goddamn media illiterate it worsens the problem times a million too
@@alch3myst exactly! and the aspect of being online creates the added illusion that the person isn't real. it's the perfect storm
They totally enjoy it, lol. Even after you tell them about the negative consequences that took place, they don't feel remorse. Instead, they view it as a victory
This type of online behavior isn’t exclusive to Tiktok or even todays youth. This shit reminds me of the whole Amanda Todd situation 10 or so years ago. People do not realize how real online harassment can be
This is the best advice ive ever heard, to this type of person. Laugh and move on. Dont ruin peoples lives because they made a mistake. We all make mistakes. We dont deserved to have our life ruined. Appreciate what you do Gabi
It's amazing that you can be as involved in the internet (Tiktok, Twitter, etc.) and still be able to have this outlook. And I mean that in the best way possible. It took me not having tiktok for months to realize how involved everyone gets in stupid pointless drama and realize how much the stuff online I used to care so, so much about had zero affect on me but I still acted like it was destroying the environment around me. Like some stuff was still important, like major laws changing and horrible things happening in other countries, but stuff like "this lady let her kid throw a horrid tantrum in a store" or "this man said something mildly wrong" or "this person used to have drug abuse problems" which are all still, you know, bad things overall, but they really don't affect me at all. It's really crazy how involved I used to be in other people's lives
In the case of a shady business, i understand the original person who had the issue saying "hey guys, this is my experience, i wouldnt recommend going here if you were thinking about it" which seems to be like what the cake and tattoo pwople were doing, but then the internet went absolutely insane and try to be vigilantes which is absolutely deranged behavior
Back in my day, people would confront each other if there was an actual issue (like the girls at the baseball game) rather then just "assuming" what is going on.
You can't pretend real life confrontations never turn sour though
@@439801RSso go somewhere else, or complain to a friend. Make this into the fun haha people are stupid anecdote you tell at parties. Posting on tiktok is solely for attention and to make yourself feel a moral superiority, and it always has potential to go out of your bubble and actually hurt those you're complaining about. You have a responsibility to not expose people in there, especially with their full faces and locations
@@justlola417you're both right, but I think (user with numbers for a name I'm not typing all of that) is more saying that encouraging confrontation like op is, is NOT a valid solution. We live in a society where people genuinely get killed over the smallest thing.
We live in a very angry world and I think the solutions you provided are better than the solutions op implied
That being said, if op was more talking along the lines of those girls going, "Hey, we're in your video and we're not comfortable with that. Can you please stop filming?" then that's fine and I was just confused by the wording of the original comment.
@@seraphina1724 "We live in a society where people genuinely get killed over the smallest thing."
which imo is part of the very same issue.
because while obviously "who cares if they live or die? they were mean to me!" isn't exactly the same as "who cares if they lose their job or get stalked? they were mean to me!", the basic approach seems very similar.
honestly a great point. I love that you used your platform to say this because it had to be addressed.
Really appreciate this video! It’s hard to recommend that creators are people too and when we have the same punishment for child predators as we do someone who made a mean comment, it makes it’s easy for people to dismiss it as “haters” and not take accountability
Don’t let the majority of this video have you forget that Gabi doesn’t like LETTUCE
That Jake Novak situation is so sad, if it had reached a different part of the internet, if it was made at another time, he could have blown up in a positive way. You literally can't tell with those things
great video! Well said. I feel the internet is a lot angrier than it used to be and I think it's great to shed light on this!
"should these people be held accountable? yeah! but is that your job?" DING DING DING
i saw this meme that said "i might be cringe but you're mean and that's worse" and i think that's straight facts right there
There’s a scale to this, Colleen Ballinger wouldn’t be as pressured to respond if there wasn’t an audience behind the allegations. With the situations you’ve presented it’s fair enough
but those are serious allegations and affected multiple people more not just a one-on-one interaction like the cake or tattoo situation
no^ its not different. all of these are inappropriate / unprofessional errors made by people. the point of this comment is to say that drama is first, criticising that its way too invested in old mistakes. and you saw that and you just perpetuated that by stressing that this reconciled issue is still definitely a threatening issue
@@_e8aare you actually saying that being kind of an asshole or overcharging people for shitty products is the same as grooming dozens of real life children as a person who holds power over them? atrociously horrendous take my guy
There's maybe Accountability they're but a lot of viral pile on's are more about punishment
@@_e8aasking children if they’re virgins is not the same as making a shitty cake
all those people obsessed with bullying “cringe” people (which is 90% of the time people just having fun lol), would lose their minds on Vine
It's crazy the stuff people will go to war over on social media. These type of social analysis videos are my favorite videos you do. hopefully more people see this and it inspires some people to grow in this area.
I think this is a much needed video. It needs to be said to the world “just chill out and cringe to yourself/with your buddies”
There was a saying in the old days of the internet relevant to this -- "Not Your Personal Army"
We used to know that people who try to drag the internet into their personal dramas were full of bullshit, I wish we had that attitude again these days.
Nice touch with the Wilhelm scream when you showed the cake. Lol
I use the Wilhelm scream for my notification sound.
I was at my local narcotics anonymous meeting and I received a text during a moment of silence...😊
Imagine in 20 years teachers will talk about TikTok and its consequences being a disaster to the human race
It’s embarrassing to be human
I mean not rly don’t be so dramatic u sound like a boomer. If it wasn’t tik tok u would be complaining abt some other thing u don’t like lmfao
No, Marxist theorists would just use this as a weapon against capitalist when they write books.
Why would they do that? I didn’t have a single teacher tell me that the US was wrong in the Vietnam War or the war on terror. I was taught that we needed to drop the nukes on Japan, straight propaganda
I feel like Twitter takes that spot
It’s not too hard to see the difference between someone being mildly annoying or silly and someone being an unrepentant predator but I think sometimes people forget that the point of yelling at the second is to interrupt them from being abusive, and not for the love of the yelling at people game
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The Green is not Nick shout out didn't age well lol.
Great video! It’s so frustrating and disappointing that the act of “holding someone accountable” by contacting their employer or whatever has turned into this awful situation. I feel like a lot of cases years ago were because people were horrifically racist & work in a job where they have the power to hurt BIPOC, specifically Black folks if their racist attitudes impact their job performance (ex: nurses, etc). But even then I don’t think people were doxing the person like this, they were just trying to keep people safe. Now it’s always these whole disproportionate, overblown events. Smh
You do so well in taking an even-handed logic to these social media issues. Proof effective use of reason and philosophically-based approaches (both Logic and Moral are used in these videos) are generally the best way to get to the root of the problem. Nicely done!
I watched ur video on the worst apology ever. Never heard of this person or anything, and I was like "huh, that's messed up, what an awful person" and just moved on with my day. I didn't start tracking her down and disliking all her videos or whatever. She's gonna get the justice she deserves regardless of what I do or don't do. Like they say, play stupid games win stupid prizes. Great video btw
New subscriber after u colab with Chris James. Been binge watching ur videos x
Myaaaan i love that you have chapters
"An Eye for an Eye
An Arm for an Arm
A Bing for Bong
Your Doing Only Harm"
- a Poem, by Gabi