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First Reaction Patch 15-2 | Darktide
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- čas přidán 16. 08. 2024
- FIRST THOUGHTS ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE.
Impressions are funny like that, I could just be super wrong about stuff without thorough testing. At the same time it can be fun to gather those thoughts. I have some gameplay footage mixed in here as well as some general reactions. Editing is light. I'll be putting out more thorough content over the next few days. Gonna take time!
00:00 Opening
03:09 Testing MK4 Chaxe buffs
11:14 Gambling for new stuff
14:18 Running a Maelstrom
18:01 Testing MK12 Chaxe
23:14 Brunts updated
23:24 General MK4 impression
23:38 New Map New Chaxe
40:45 scoreboard
40:46 Chainsword impressions
41:51 BUH BYE
its your patch how much did you paypal fatshark for this one 👀
Not enough! I still don't have my 2H chain axe! But the Mk4 is amazing feeling in the little time I have spent with it. The MK12 served me well too, though I'm more ambivalent about it.
@@Reginald-sc9tkthe dodge cancel on activations was the thing i yelled about the most on test, and im hoping its the beginning of a period of sticky activations being borderline usable
Whoa... Its the clayman.
I am satisfied that it hasn't ruined my experience of the weapons or really removed the skill cap for the weapons. I will say they were (for me) always usable. I also want to say I am just totally thrilled with the MK4 buffs overall. Its not exactly what I wanted but its like 90% what I wanted and the outcome is excellent. I think people are sleeping on the MK4 and hopefully I can put out an in depth guide on it that will get people to understand just how crazy it can be now. @@lukusridley
I was GENUINELY hoping we'd see hot shots, melta, longlas anything that wasn't a variant
ME TOO
100%
GAH
+ Heavy Stubbers for the Vet.
The new Marks seem to primarily be about filling out the remaining weapons which had none.
As an example, the force sword and stubbers went through the same thing. Was just 1 weapon at launch, now its 3 per category. Same is happening with the shovels.
And I don't mind it cause they feel really damn nice to use. Regarding Brunt's, they addressed it pre-patch I'm pretty sure. Just a compromise so people don't get booted out of games due to forced server update.
I'm not that fussed about there not being new-new weapons yet. If what we got feels sufficiently different, which in my opinion it does, then all is well. Thats not to say i dont want the doomslayer shotguns, the bolt pistol or the melta but I'm not that fussed, the new content is excellent.
The map, especially, is really good and so is the addition of stims. I really don't think Fatshark deserves any hate on this one, the updates since class rework have all been quite excellent imo.
I think the map is great. I'm quite fussed about there being no new weapons but thats not the same as being unhappy with the items we did get. We got some cool and fun stuff. For sure.
I think its a bad compromise and for that matter other games, warframe for example, handle this much better. At least they only took and hour instead of 4 or 5 this time to show up.
@Reginald-sc9tk OH yeah, it isn't to say I was happy to log on and not actually be able to get anything. Just that, atleast they explained themselves and it wasn't just the usual, unmentioned Fatshark moment, haha.
I do really hope that the next major update, which will probably be after their holiday break, we'll see some new weapons though. Because while I'm plenty okay with marks, especially if they're sufficiently different like the new revolver, I'd still love to have MORE stuff for sure. Especially the data mined weapons just have me wanting them asap.
yeah some of the datamined stuff looks incredible. I think that gap makes the lack of anything 40k themed really feel bad. @@TheBaralinChannel
What's frustrating about the chainshovel is that if they made the chain bigger so it stuck out the stab might look cool.
So correct.
NEW EVIS IS JUST WHAT I ALWAYS WANTED; THE EXE SWORD.
NOW GIVE ME THE ABILITY TO DUAL-SLOT MELEE WEAPONS AND A SHIELD AND I WILL SCREAM ABOUT A WATERY BINT!
Nice! I really like it as well.
I haven't tested out all the new chain weapons yet, but I will say the new Eviscerator feels amazing to use, especially with cleave-based blessings to get a really nice horde clear / special and elite sniping hybrid. The fact that most of the new weapons are shovels though is a little... icky, to say the least. I'm guessing it's to sort of appeal to the Krieg roleplayers?
I look forward to trying it! Didn't even have time!
I don't know if I can do the new heavy chainsword without the push attack being a sweep.. I'll try it tho lol.
The patch notes specifically state that light cleave was cut to 0.01, so mark 4s will never go through enemies again. All the better, it was very awkward, and the push attack already covers for the low-right arc that the heavies have trouble reaching. Mine has both slaughterer and headtaker, so I have less incentive to use revved attacks over spamming lights which are very safe and match the DPS of waiting for a revved heavy (veteran). It kind of makes the standard chainsword obsolete as the new chaxe 4 performance has only the same minor attack angle weaknesses but many more strengths.
I liked the funny cleave mechanics. But I am satisfied with the weapons performance after the patch. It feels incredible.
Btw regi, the lights on MK4 chaxe now stun maulers/ragers mid combo. Makes it insanely safe to challenge them even without revving up. The rev heavy does seem a little more vertical to me than pre-patch. Also, bloodletter applies max bleed stacks even if you dodge cancel the rev attack. It's quite value.
Rev heavy is definitely more vertical now that I've played it more. MK4 is actually so good now. The lights being able to stagger mid combo is nuts and I am so thrilled with how strong it is.
I rolled two pretty solid Mk 12 Chaxes to mess with them. L3 bloodletter and L4 headtaker, 25% Carapace/Infested for perks on the one I'm running on my Zealot. I prefer the Mk12 for horde mgmt vs the Mk4 but then I run mostly axes and shovels, so it fits into that move set/play style. The zealot now has a shovel that goes Brrrr.
I'm glad you are having fun with it! I think it has some charm but I'm finding the mk4 more to my liking and scoreboard topping
They explained why stuff wasn't instantly in brunts, they appear once all the old instances are closed as otherwise people might get booted from games, or something like that.
I am well aware. They've done something like this every single major weapon's patch except one. The fact that it only took an hour was nice. this time it was only an hour or so.
Thanks for the new Heavy Chainsword Reginald!
This update would have never been possible without you (the leading authority on chain weapons)
Somehow I'm not so sure I played much role. Maybe I influenced the direction of the Mk4 buffs. I am REALLY happy with them overall.
Though the thunkyness of the chainshovel is a bit annoying I think I'll like its moveset better overall. Its light for uncomplicated crowd control and heavy for single target damage. Great, simple.
Having changed the MK4 its basically the same now. Heavies for horde, push attack if needed, lights for single target. Rev for big boys.
But I think a lot of people will prefer the m12 due to itd simplicity. I prefer weapons with more complexity even if they are worse.
Absolutely loving the mk4 chain axe, my baby is FINALLY getting the love it deserves. Ran it with martydom zealot and weapon specialist vet, and it feels great and hits hard on both. Only took them a year to get it right 😩 😩 😩
it really is just so good now though, isn't it wonderful? I am working on a video for it right now. Then the Mk12 after it.
I see the stuff in brunt's armory now. Didn't take them long to fix it. Still wtf, it's the first thing everyone will look for and it wasn't there?
Took about an hour
personally i don't love the new chain axe, i don't even think it's bad but it kinda feels like another cadia chain sword, doesn't do anything unique but i do like the heavy overheads, they feel good. the old chaxe feels a lot better and the new map is amazing and i don't actually hate the shovels but for me the true star of the update is the new big chainsword. every swing feels so heavy i'm in love with it. i'm not a laspistol person but i like the new one better compared to the other one and the cowboy revolver is surprisingly fun
god i didn't realize how long this got, sorry for the essay lol
My style is long winded anyway. I read the whole thing. no need to appologize.
I think I agree with you. The new chain axe is very averae person friendly. Especially with its simple attack pattern. When compared to chainswords it has advantages in elite and armor busting but is worse at horde clear. I think that's fine. Simple to use with crunchy effects. I think the MK4 is better. Flat out just better.
I like the new heavy chainsword, some people have expressed they don't like the push thrust but I love a good stab! The new chainsword is a sleeper hit I think. On zealot it wrecks.
I can say that the new heavy chainsword can easily hit 1 hit rev kills on Crushers. It is kinda insane in that regard. Taking a bit of getting used to since it isn't just H1, L2 spam for everything like the OG one. I absolutely love the OG heavy and the crusher but I feel (preliminary) that the new heavy chainsword outclasses both and probably the Ironhelm as well. Now that could all just be "new toy syndrome". At least all of them are very good, hard to ask for more than that tbh.
I think its very good but I'm not sure its better than the original Tigrus. As I understand it there is push-heavy tech that lets you get the Heavy 2 and that can also 1tap crushers. That said I like the new chain weapons overall. Its interesting that they have longer tick chains etc.
With this one all you need to do is get a stack or two of one of the many zealot buffs and walk up and special heavy 1.
Let alone if you run Martyrdom, then it should take 0 work what so ever (haven't done it myself yet, just running a crit build).
Should note: with 25% carapace damage. I need to test to see if I can get away with maniac (or if that even hits useful break points) instead.
But both are great and I am glad that chain and powered weapons are getting very viable.
what the hell is that inventory my man? clean up!
I'll clean it when fatshark makes it easy!
Pretty much only played vet last night, but I like the skill tree change we finally got. Feels in line with the other trees now, and was more or less able to recreate all my existing builds (just better than they were before).
I may be in the minority but I like the shovels, like a lot. I find the "do extra damage as you wrench the spike back out of the heretic's head" mechanic to be quite satisfying.
Edit: (I still REALLY want a hotshot volleygun though)
I haven't even dipped my toes into Vet yet for the most part. I sorta reconstructed my builds from pre patch 15.2 and then tried the chain axes on them to start learning and that's all I've had time for!
Lord Inquisitor Reginald, did you already test the new heavy eviscerator?
Love the thrust, hate the clunky issues on lights, but its a good and simple chain. Heavy attack has me a bit baffled. I'd rather have seen overhead into horizontal. I haven't tested it yet, its on my list 100%!
Oh yeah test a full rev into a bulwark. It works now!
The idea with introducing cancels is that if you can cancel, you then backload the reward for the rev attacks. Eg the stagger on ragers happens only on the second tick of the light, so early dodge cancelling loses you the stagger - and the more backloaded the reward, the more you're incentivised to commit. This way you still are rewarded for finding time and space to get full revs - and you do need to make sure you have the stamina for activation cancels - but you choose the amount of commitment, and you no longer feel incredibly restricted in acting under pressure.
The core issue with the old activation design is essentially that the downside of "what's the worst that can happen if i give up my ability to act or dodge for the next 2 seconds" is potentially enormous; the more chaotic the situation, the larger, and the harder to assess correctly. This automatically leads to very conservative rev usage. A chainaxe especially should be a weapon where your response to people turning up is "IM GOING TO PUT THIS IN YOUR FACE BROTHER" - and so that needs to be something that can conceivably be done under pressure. Particularly for chain axes, having lights that could potentially eat a dodge input in an intense situation even when you know the weapon is just not a risk other weapons have to take - and it's not like the chainaxe had a huge upside in other ways.
I didn't have as much to do with these other than pressing hard for activations and stickies to be cancellable but have delayed benefits (though I did strongly push for speeding up those heavies because good lord they were arthritic before). But my hope is that this is a better space for activated and sticky attacks to be in in general - this works for force sword activations too, for example - and will make attacks of those kinds much more useful and feel like much more functional parts of the toolkit.
Ultimately, before this patch almost no chain weapon was good because of its weapon special. In an ideal world I would move to a different model for activation weapons with rev being an input used midcombo and during attacks, but we do not live in a perfect world and this was the best fast solution.
I tested the bulwark but am not clear what you mean. I have always been able to onetap them with revved heavy attacks. With martyrdom I can kill them with lights into backshot headshot, maybe I could not before?
I appreciate you reaching back out.
Its very interesting to me that you describe the weapons as not being good due to the special or perhaps i misread that and its only being good despite the special attack. Historically the chain weapons have felt like they were entirely designed around using the special attack and were otherwise were extremely mediocure if not outright bad weapons. Me and others like me learned to work around the activation and its limitations and found it a rewarding gameplay loop. Rather than being excited about the change most of us have felt like it casualized a skill based mechanic that could be learned. Ultimately I rule that it was implemented well and didn't trivialize using revs. ironically i very rarely use the dodge out mechanic on purpose and would say 90% of my usage of it is accidental as I'm trying to hit that minimum reaction window and miss a bit early and cost myself extra damage. Still, its just a new skill cap rather than a degredation of the skill cap. So I rate the change positively overall.
To me the big winner is just chain axe light attack damage. The change to the attack pattern doesn't really have a positive or negative IMO. But it wasn't necessary (for me) and was probably a positive for most since it clearly was designed to minimize accidental latches on unintended targets.
@@Reginald-sc9tk Rev into a bulwark who is blocking - this even allows you to rev into his shield and instantly cancel it and he will be insta opened. Proper defined behaviour, no more revs randomly getting eaten by the shield hitbox itself and getting "blocked" and other nonsense (you also can't latch barrels any more thank god), so the view cone yank into narnia from that particular interaction is banished.
My hope is that in the medium and longer term, rewards for full activation revs can be introduced via blessings and others - or backloaded ramping bonuses during rev attacks - to really just make it a neat risk reward time tradeoff... but we will see
Got it. My lads found some nice push-attack parry tech that nets clean bulwarks headshots. Very comfy for quick kills. But good to know on this.
@@Reginald-sc9tk applies across the board to all sticky attacks!
That is awesome. I'm glad at least there's a normalized behavior!@@lukusridley
TBH I just wish that one of ogryns shovels had a stab as a special, heavy, push, hell even a light. It would help distinguish the mks better.
Doesn't one of them have a folding pickaxe move? I haven't even had time to try them yet!
I HATE the RNG wheel of misfortune merry-go-round of bloody tears that is Brunt's Armory to Hadron and back. Why are there power level 301 weapons in the shop for me? Emperor's gifts are useless. Hadron always wrecks stuff that happens to be high base stats. Christ. The gameplay and co-op with friends is keeping me here but hell if I hate the process of trying new weapon builds.
Building anything new is just awful, its why I avoid it as much as possible. I get some stuff I like that's good enough and just stop trying. It keeps me sane.
I noticed someone said the thunder hammers changed their move sets slightly. Are we so back?
We are SO BACK. Ironhelm is actually usable!
I tried running chaxe before and frankly speaking, its "rewards" NEVER outweighed the risks. Slow, with difficult and inefficient horde management, pitiful cleave, lackluster damage and stagger. I can dance around each Rager/Bulwark/Crusher or I can grab something else and kill 3 of them in the same amount of time. And while I certainly COULD play with chaxe anyway, I play with randoms - shooting myself in the foot by basically using a needle-filled-sausage as my melee never felt like a good idea. Because its as good as preparing to fail the run before it even begins. I wonder if devs thought that to buff its "rewards" they'd have to add so many numbers, that its wiser to just reduce the risks.
Its interesting because I think the MK4 got hit with a buff hammer pretty hard and is now really strong. So if anything the added safety on some ways feels like a lot. But I'm not really objecting. It feels fine upon review.
That is weird that I am trying on zealot too but like one shot light attack to kill the thing that you need two, I wonder where is the different.
Maybe 80% Damage plus 80% Shredder do the job
Martyrdom is some of it for sure.
Hey Reginald what build are you using? I need a new Axe build!
Here ya go! Its not perfect but its pretty fun. darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ac84c74-2fdf-4604-81e2-2bede6a3ff65/reginalds-martyrdom-chaxe-build
For crafting how about you can still upgrade the rarity but you can buy blessings
PLEASE
@@Reginald-sc9tk keep it the same but instead of grinding for perks you can buy them with plasteel
I was hoping for a 3-round burst-fire laspistol mark, but yeah the slow hard hitting laspistol is alright i guess. 😕
maybe someday! There's still room for one more pattern.
Chainshovel!
Thump thump thump
Still waiting for my 2 handed force sword goddamnit. It's also nice to see how the arrival of the new weapons immediately reminds everyone just how fucking awful the crafting system is, no matter how much fat guppy refuses to accept the fact.
Crafting in this game is so awful. Its a fun game but it shouldn't be so painful to get gear.
I prefer the Mk XII because it's my favorite shovel.
Its great a scooping heretics. No questions.
Mk12 chain axe with thrust 3 has the craziest heavy attacks. Its boss dps can be pretty good and it destroys elites. Its light attacks are an absolute joke but they can get the job done with headtaker.
Probably best bet to just run Thrust + Slaughterer but you might be able to get away with Thrust + Bloodletter even. Still requires a lot of testing on my part.
@@Reginald-sc9tk I tried thrust with bloodletter. You can one shot maulers to the body with it. Bloodletter helps with bosses a bit too. Can't wait to see your findings after all the testing!
why do you keep so many guns like why not scrap them?
That takes a lot of time to just sit there and hold X on weapon after weapon after weapon. Eventually a mod or fatshark will make scrapping garbage easy and fast.
I think the new revolver should have been a 6 shot to co inside with its reduced damage. With its very poor accuracy with only 5 shots its not worth using
I suspect it was a technical problem. Making a new cylinder would have required a new model all together and might impact how skins are handled etc. Ultimately the weapon is not my cup of tea but I have seen some very disgusting things done with it.
I was blown away on that first swing with the new chainaxe. The lights look and sound just so bad.
That was so funny, absolutely wild that they would make another clubby shovel like chain weapon.
Wwwwwhhhhhhhhoooooooooooo🎉 first here. Do you like the new version of the chain weapons
Maybe! lol. So much to look into its hard to get a good feel for it.
They should offer you a job already to get chain things right
If only!
Hilarious that you were complaining so much in the beginning when all you had to do was wait 30 minutes for the server migration and youd be fine LMAO
It was funny! But it took over an hour for the server migration and it was highly reminiscent of earlier patches where it would take 4+ hours to get the new content. As someone who has played this game since before public beta...i have been through the ringer with shoddy releases. It was quite funny to me.
🤔
HMMMmmmmm
@@Reginald-sc9tk I've just tested the new Orestes variant. It's powerful I guess, but the lights are boring and don't feel "good". The new heavy chainshovel variant is really boring, it's pretty much the executioner sword from Vermintide 2. The change on the chainaxe stickiness are nice though, and the heavies are nicer now.
I think I agree with you entirely. The MK12 just feels boring to use and lacks proper SFX on lights in any case. its not totally without complexity due to managing the overhead focused behavior of the weapon. But its just not very interesting. Upshot - the MK4 is incredible right now. @@Orvect