Meshuggah - The Violent Sleep Of Reason | The Most CHALLENGING Album I've Heard | REACTION!

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  • @DrewFortune97
    @DrewFortune97  Pƙed 2 lety +37

    I’ll be recording a Patreon Exclusive podcast after the Meshuggah concert next week to detail my thoughts on my 1st Shuggah Live experience!
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    • @bugzz09
      @bugzz09 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      I’m going to see them my self when they come to Florida I’m very excited 💯💯💯 they are one of my favorite bands đŸ€˜đŸŸđŸ€˜đŸŸđŸ€˜đŸŸ

    • @Defensive_Wounds
      @Defensive_Wounds Pƙed 2 lety +1

      14:00 - I think do what you do, it is your reaction! Possibly just add a bit of text on screen 3 seconds before the talking over bit or something as a funny cute warning for those people who get pissed-off by these menial things? I have seen that in others videos, such as Julia Nilon's videos where she stops talking but uses her future editing Julia to add text on screen to say what she wanted to say in that moment but couldn't without talking over the song and she didn't pause it as she was in the moment. You could do that or similar but the other way around, give text warnings on screen that you are about to pause a solo or whatnot. Then those people will not be so easily riled-up.

  • @cakeallen1629
    @cakeallen1629 Pƙed 2 lety +80

    by the ton is incredibly underrated, its riffs are so weird yet so fucking awesome i love it
    this entire album takes a few listens to get into, but golly is it GOOD once you do. Clockworks grew like cancer on me it's incredible
    my personal favourite on the album would have to be ivory tower, that ending sequence is quite frankly orgasmic

    • @braydenliva
      @braydenliva Pƙed rokem +4

      maybe not the best description my man

    • @RaspySquares
      @RaspySquares Pƙed 7 měsĂ­ci

      Also my favorite. This or 33. 33 feels more like one huge song.

  • @tennenyt5311
    @tennenyt5311 Pƙed 2 lety +38

    Love the lyrics of clockwork, describes depression and confusion with the human condition so well

  • @matthewdavis7674
    @matthewdavis7674 Pƙed 2 lety +92

    I still think this album is their masterpiece

    • @AntechamberAE
      @AntechamberAE Pƙed rokem +5

      Same here.

    • @devendasmusic
      @devendasmusic Pƙed rokem +3

      Me too, It just took me a little bit to understand It

    • @l0rd_breeigo-sama954
      @l0rd_breeigo-sama954 Pƙed rokem +6

      @@devendasmusic it is by far their hardest overall album to listen to. The almost random rythms in TVSOR and Nostrum are amazing, but not as relaxing to listen to. But would stilk be inclined to agree that it also imo is their best album

    • @CristianFlores-jd6xg
      @CristianFlores-jd6xg Pƙed 11 měsĂ­ci +2

      I’m inclined to agree but obzen exists 😭

    • @wesleyb1458
      @wesleyb1458 Pƙed 11 měsĂ­ci +4

      Nothing is their peak imo. I think it’s a clear level above anything else

  • @kaimeier82
    @kaimeier82 Pƙed 2 lety +45

    Nostrum and Clockworks are two of the most incredible pieces of drumming I have ever witnessed. 👀 And them being musical masterpieces makes it even more insane to me.

  • @APieceOfLiquid
    @APieceOfLiquid Pƙed 2 lety +133

    This is definitely Boss Level Meshuggah. It's everything they've done mastered to the Nth degree. I think Immutable was their way of taking it easy and giving us a rhythmical masterpiece rather than an overall masterpiece like this album.

    • @jameschauvet3140
      @jameschauvet3140 Pƙed rokem +3

      💯

    • @JL-ql2jo
      @JL-ql2jo Pƙed rokem +12

      Agreed. I love Immutable, it’s been a skillful departure while still being pure Meshuggah, but The Violent Sleep of Reason just feels monstrous and alien in a way no other album does. Absolute masterpiece.

    • @alihijazi4451
      @alihijazi4451 Pƙed rokem +7

      ​@@JL-ql2jo I'd say Catch Thirty Three certainly is up to par when it comes to demonic, alien, eldritch music like meshuggah lol

    • @StrangerE0ns
      @StrangerE0ns Pƙed rokem

      @@alihijazi4451yeah catch 33 is a fuckin inhuman monster while violent sleep is more like the most badass punch to your forehead you can get

    • @thomatos2005
      @thomatos2005 Pƙed rokem +1

      I definitely feel this is their at least 2nd best album

  • @MrFRNTIK
    @MrFRNTIK Pƙed 2 lety +22

    I underappreciated this album so much when it released. I know the ins and outs of every other messhugah song and album but every time I go to VSoR it's like I'm listening to brand new shuggah material and it blows me away. Idk why it didn't stick with me like the other albums, but now I can't stop listening to it.

    • @Gatapotata
      @Gatapotata Pƙed rokem +4

      Makes sense. First album where Tomas and Dick wrote most of the songs...

  • @APieceOfLiquid
    @APieceOfLiquid Pƙed 2 lety +37

    You need to do their album Koloss next. Maybe for the few days before you see them live.

    • @officialrhythmicthoughts
      @officialrhythmicthoughts Pƙed 2 lety +8

      YES
      We desperately need a full Koloss reaction, Drew needs to hear Marrow

    • @imast5112
      @imast5112 Pƙed 2 lety +3

      @@officialrhythmicthoughts and Behind the Sun

    • @isaackmojica8302
      @isaackmojica8302 Pƙed 2 lety +4

      ​@@imast5112 their most "melancholic"Also the most Sludgiest and just damn Epic song they've been made

    • @zeal0tseven57
      @zeal0tseven57 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@imast5112 He's already heard Behind The Sun

  • @Kenjames10
    @Kenjames10 Pƙed 2 lety +26

    The album grows on you magically with each and every listen. I remember being as confused as you are here but I kept coming back as I thought it still sounded really mesmerizing and unique. Now I am a huge fan of this album and Violent Sleep Of Reason is one of my favourite songs by Meshuggah. What an epic masterpiece that one especially is!

  • @dodsbringaren3698
    @dodsbringaren3698 Pƙed 2 lety +26

    Dude I love how you described headbanging as like a game of Wack a mole, its damn true man I haven't thought of it that way before. Been a pleasure watching this, love you bro.

    • @DrewFortune97
      @DrewFortune97  Pƙed 2 lety +5

      Hahaha I thought it was a little dumb but it made sense in my head when I said it😂 love bro❀❀

  • @d0m0b40
    @d0m0b40 Pƙed 2 lety +73

    This one definitely takes a while to get accustomed not just musically but the very raw sounding production. Once your brain gets accustomed to it tho it is some absolute heat. Meshuggah in a nutshell tbh

    • @MarshTheDarsh
      @MarshTheDarsh Pƙed 2 lety +3

      Thanks for saying this, my thoughts summed up

    • @jameschauvet3140
      @jameschauvet3140 Pƙed rokem

      💯

    • @AntechamberAE
      @AntechamberAE Pƙed rokem +1

      The production is very professional and well produced, not sure where you're getting "raw" from. Compare it to Chaosphere LOL

    • @d0m0b40
      @d0m0b40 Pƙed rokem +1

      @@jameschauvet3140 i worded it wrong, it is indeed really good production. But ya

    • @declan0001
      @declan0001 Pƙed rokem

      ​@@AntechamberAE I think he means that unlike most modern day metal with the very atmospheric and huge soundscapes meshuggah is very straight the point and in your face. not saying either is better than the other just saying it's very unique. fits meshuggahs style perfectly

  • @JakobStrand
    @JakobStrand Pƙed rokem +8

    This album sure is something else. First time I heard Our Rage WontÂŽDie...when the groove kicks in. My mind was blown to pieces. ThatÂŽs truly some teeth crushing music!

  • @michaelc3656
    @michaelc3656 Pƙed 2 lety +18

    Enjoyed watching your reaction. Sucks to hear you didn't like it, though, as I really liked this album more than Koloss, for example. I can totally understand that this one is not as accessible as some of their other ones and not a good place to start for newcomers.
    I remember getting Koloss back in 2012 and being pretty underwhelmed by it. I thought the band had really run out of steam despite there still being some killer tracks on it. But this album definitely blew it away and I found the song to be a lot more interesting. It took me a few attempts to get some of the groove in it, much like it would for you, but the payoff is definitely worth it.
    I saw Meshuggah live where they played a couple of these songs and you are correct that it sounded awesome in that setting.
    My favourite song on this album is Clockworks, but I also loved By the Ton, Violent Sleep of Reason, Ivory Tower, and Nostrum. There's no weak songs here, to be fair, but those are my standouts. I hope in time, if you do decide to return to this album, you get the same level of enjoyment I do from it. :)

  • @patrickwilliamson29
    @patrickwilliamson29 Pƙed rokem +3

    Violent sleep of reason is an album that you really need to listen to a couple of times over a long period of time to really get it. The whole is great and it took until I started playing guitar properly to really fall in love with this album, though usually play about 80% of it (clockworks is a bit played to death imo)

  • @bigfannypack
    @bigfannypack Pƙed 2 lety +9

    Actually shocked you had this hard of a time finding the groove!!!! I’m watching this screaming at my phone that the groove is right there lol like right under your fingertips!! A lot of the same 4/4 stuff they normally do just different angles of it and finding different ways to groove it! Best album IMO

    • @danny.chulo.
      @danny.chulo. Pƙed 2 lety +5

      The title track was one of those lol it was right there! But I guess different people look at things from different angles and the way he was looking just didn’t see it , I honestly thought he would think that ones a banger cause of the obvious 4/4 but that’s meshuggah for ya

    • @DrewFortune97
      @DrewFortune97  Pƙed 2 lety +3

      I’m a 4/4 merchant, anything beyond that and I get sent into a whirlwind

    • @bigfannypack
      @bigfannypack Pƙed 2 lety +1

      All good brotha!! Just hope you give it another listen or two, cus this album is a BEAST!!

  • @APieceOfLiquid
    @APieceOfLiquid Pƙed 2 lety +31

    What a monstrous album. So good. Another masterpiece by them.

  • @danny.chulo.
    @danny.chulo. Pƙed 2 lety +14

    I’ve always thought of Meshuggah songs like a “Magic Eye” image, where it takes abit of focus, almost a relaxing of your senses into a trance like state and then...it reveals itself to you. You see the song for what it actually is, and how the band hears it, a simple time signature that was hidden under all the “magic”, and once you see it you can’t unsee it. That’s why we Meshuggah fans get so excited when a new album comes out cause it’s like a whole new book of images, of artworks to figure out, some easier than others , some you get right away and others you never do, but they are all works of art regardless. The band always leaves hints and clues to help you out, there’s always something to grab on to or look out for , like a single guitar note moving up and down will usually indicate where the pulse is , while everything else is seemingly mayhem. So whenever you just seem to be looking at a big mess , just know that hidden within it is an absolute gem , that is both overwhelmingly chaotic and beautifully simplistic.

    • @shrimpscampin
      @shrimpscampin Pƙed rokem +3

      squint your ears to hear clearly

    • @Chaos_sphere33
      @Chaos_sphere33 Pƙed rokem +1

      ​@@shrimpscampinblur reality to hear it real

  • @Benobot99
    @Benobot99 Pƙed 2 lety +30

    An album to absolutely check out is "Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia" by Dimmu Borgir (album from 2001). It's a 100/100 for me, and it's the only album I've given 100/100 to. EVERY track is phenomenal. Fast, precise drumming, otherworldly atmosphere, excellent vocals, sharp yet catchy riffs, and perfect intro/outro tracks.

    • @anfie2495
      @anfie2495 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      Seconded! Immaculate album imo

    • @Artunen
      @Artunen Pƙed 2 lety +1

      that would be a perfect change of pace on this channel!!

    • @Itsunclegabby
      @Itsunclegabby Pƙed 2 lety

      My god, I used to sleep to that somehow lol

    • @megagalactickanye454
      @megagalactickanye454 Pƙed rokem

      Man.. "death cult Armageddon" is fantastic too tho.

    • @djoverkin
      @djoverkin Pƙed 9 měsĂ­ci

      Yes please, do it!

  • @BAVBAVBAV
    @BAVBAVBAV Pƙed rokem +13

    Clockworks functions as essentially my favorite song ever. Nothing tops this level of sonic insanity and technical perfection

  • @ChuckLorris
    @ChuckLorris Pƙed 2 lety +8

    Dude i saw them live last weekend (first time for me) and holy shit, easily my favorite concert ever. Absolutely slapped from start to finish.

  • @Defensive_Wounds
    @Defensive_Wounds Pƙed 2 lety +10

    All my band's songs are us all in one room, one take recording. No editing or anything. Raw, unfiltered real audio. Any mistakes are there to hear. Some are happy mistakes though so those definitely left in such as weird bass harmonics that clashed with drums or just reverbed in the room. Sounded cool (in our song 'The Ending'.) I love that Meshuggah did this for a full album! The level of rehearsals to get it all down pretty much perfectly on all counts for all in the band and in the crew for an album in one take is insane! It is hard enough doing one song perfectly in one take!!

  • @APieceOfLiquid
    @APieceOfLiquid Pƙed 2 lety +9

    Just finished the reaction. I think the reason you didn't like this as much as you'd thought you would us because you haven't listened to all of Meshuggah. Do Koloss for next week man. Then when you have heard most of the albums, listen to them again in order and your appreciation will sky rocket.

  • @emilklamer6938
    @emilklamer6938 Pƙed 2 lety +5

    you or anyone seeing this should try out !
    "vildhjarta"
    i personally go for the instrumental version of their new album "mÄsstaden under vatten"
    or start out with the new teaser "+kanslan+" they uploaded couple weeks ago
    you can choose any song and be more than satisfied by not only extreme rythms but also super groovy riffs and beautiful melodies hidden in a super sophisticated way.
    kind of tesseract ambience with a nice different touch...
    they use pitch shifters on the different guitar riffs
    i really think you would love it
    also Swedish like Meshuggah
    THALL

  • @mattdubya1037
    @mattdubya1037 Pƙed 2 lety +6

    if you want the heaviest Meshuggah album react to Chaosphere. its them at their most robotic-groovy and djenty, from robotic grooves of Concentation, to the insane outro in last song elastic (which sounds like an elavator to hell, then the doors open and your in a hell of all the songs on that album mixed together at once. once it stops your ears will make a weird ringing sound for a few minutes and feel like you listened to one of those alpha brainwaves videos here on youtube lol its bonkers!)

  • @emilklamer6938
    @emilklamer6938 Pƙed 2 lety +2

    pause when speaking and then go back a few seconds i guess?
    love the meshuggah stuff, ive been following you since the first meshuggah video

  • @im_in_immense_pain
    @im_in_immense_pain Pƙed 2 lety +2

    I'd recommend relistening to Ivory Tower, and trying to headbang to the cymbals/hi hats, instead of headbanging in 16th notes, due to the song being in 12/8 or 4/4 in triplet subdivison. Love ur videos!

  • @ericmiller4546
    @ericmiller4546 Pƙed 2 lety +7

    Yo joined the patreon just for this album! đŸ€˜đŸ» stoked you finally got around to it! Seeing meshuggah for the first time in October out in Cali! Stoked as fuck! Let us know how the show goes!

    • @DrewFortune97
      @DrewFortune97  Pƙed 2 lety +6

      Will do man!! Might even do a podcast style video as a Patreon Exclusive to give my thoughts on the show after I’ve been!

    • @ericmiller4546
      @ericmiller4546 Pƙed 2 lety +3

      @@DrewFortune97 Hell yeah dude đŸ€˜đŸ»have a great time! Also man you’re opinion is not wrong so don’t feel that way, to each their own I say. For myself personally this is the album that really blew my mind and got me into the meshuggah rabbit hole surprisingly lol. Anyways stoked you finally got around to this album! Cheers man! đŸ€˜đŸ»đŸ€˜đŸ»

    • @DrewFortune97
      @DrewFortune97  Pƙed 2 lety +3

      @@ericmiller4546 yeah man I think it will grow over time, even editing I picked up new appreciations for it! But still very very challenging for virgin ears 😞

  • @sumoshepe
    @sumoshepe Pƙed 10 měsĂ­ci +1

    I love your reactions so much. I love meshuggah, and I've been playing drums all my life. I don't struggle much with meshuggah's rhythms, or finding that pulse, or locking in. Sometimes it takes a few practice sessions. That mathy part in the Title Track just follow the snare, he's playing off grooves on the china cymbal.
    I just love your willingness to try to hash it out with your mind. Watching someone who doesn't have an innate sense of rhythm listen to meshuggah is super entertaining!

  • @NYJZach
    @NYJZach Pƙed 2 lety +6

    Hope you can check out the album Where Owls Know My Name by Rivers of Nihil sometime. One of the best prog/tech death metal albums of all time imo

  • @paulphoenix1669
    @paulphoenix1669 Pƙed 2 lety +5

    Saw you at the show last night in the Olympia man, was fucking crazy.
    Feel like I went to war

    • @DrewFortune97
      @DrewFortune97  Pƙed 2 lety +4

      Hahaha love it man! Was insanityđŸ”„đŸ”„
      Going to record a podcast about the day/night leading up to the show - got to see some amazing things man, can’t wait to share

  • @twogunsnoammo8419
    @twogunsnoammo8419 Pƙed 9 měsĂ­ci +1

    Hey Drew, I'm wondering if you've revisited this record since this video? I was obsessed with it for months after it released, partly because I needed to absorb the complexity, and it's a contender for my favorite in their discog. The production and the brutality are just unreal.
    If not, main note I wanna highlight is that Violent Sleep and Ivory Tower are in triplet 4/4 (and so is Dancers to a Discordant System, Exquisite Machinery, maybe a few others I'm forgetting) instead of straight 4/4. You were bobbing your head to straight 4 because the riffs try to trick you and they usually play straight in most songs, and that's why you couldn't lock in, I think.
    **Everything** is in 4, but more than that, they play in rhythmic of phrases of 8 or 16 bars, typically. They like to hide the ball during those phrases, and do it a lot more in this record than others, but getting a feel for where the phrases start/end is the masterkey to almost every single song in their discog. It's not just counting to 4 on the cymbals (when they're level, and then continuing the 4 in your head like a metronome even when they deviate), but counting to 4 four/eight/sixteen times, then again when the section changes, etc etc. True for every record, and an understanding that is essential for this one especially.
    Maybe that's as clear as mud lol but it's the sort of thing that makes folks say that Meshuggah is a musician's/drummer's band, and that's fair, even if I love it.

  • @thewildhealer541
    @thewildhealer541 Pƙed 2 lety +4

    For some reason I loved this album alot when it came out but alot of people had problems with it. Production is the way it is because they recorded the whole album live in studio. And for me personally some of the best songs they have written is on this album. I know it's one of their more complex albums rhythmically but it kind of annoyed me when the snare was going at a steady pace and you didn't catch the beat at times 😂 No ill feelings of course, I love your content and I think you should give this record a few more listens because it's one of their best in my opinion. I respect that you dared diving into Meshuggah in the first place, I know that they can be very challenging listening to at first but they are one of the most rewarding musical experiences ever. 😁

  • @danieltaylor187
    @danieltaylor187 Pƙed 2 lety +9

    Mate... go back to the start, not necessarily the first album, but "Destroy Erase Improve", "None" EP, and then "Chaosphere"... then you'll catch the groove and progress with the music as Meshuggah made it. By the time you circle back to the newer stuff it will make more sense.

  • @Taylor-pz7cj
    @Taylor-pz7cj Pƙed 2 lety +4

    I know it's been a while since you've reacted to them, but Exoplanet by The Contortionist is an album that I think you would enjoy. The contrast of ambience and crushing riffs and breakdowns is incredible.

  • @Diesel_Budgie
    @Diesel_Budgie Pƙed 2 lety +6

    I used to listen to Clockworks in the car after work every day for like 2 months - and I still don't know exactly what's going on, lol. You just get so familiar with the music that you can follow it in your head, like words in a sentence that also don't fit in 4/4 but can be replicated from memory. Same with Animals as Leaders and similar artists.

  • @Therealchrist
    @Therealchrist Pƙed 2 lety +9

    I think part of the reason some people get upset when you talk over the song, is that they think you've missed that awesome moment/transition cause you're talking and the audio dips. A facial/editing acknowledgement when you hear something juicy in those scenarios could help

    • @Therealchrist
      @Therealchrist Pƙed 2 lety +1

      They just don't want you missing cool moments they love :D

  • @UncleRJ
    @UncleRJ Pƙed 2 lety +3

    I would say that the album is different from the rest is because it is the first album that Dick Lovgren, the bassist, is involved in the songwriting. He, together with Haake, had written most of the songs of the album, with a couple from Marten Hagstrom, the rhythm guitarist, and one from Fredrik Thordendal (though he was uncredited). Fun fact about Lovgren, he had attended a Jazz University and had released a Jazz album too. So you have him to blame for the unpredictability of the album!

    • @Gatapotata
      @Gatapotata Pƙed rokem +1

      Facts! To be fair, though... Meshuggah's pretty much always been a jazz metal band...

  • @dodsbringaren3698
    @dodsbringaren3698 Pƙed 2 lety +3

    This album took me years to truly appreciate, you're not alone there. Great video bro

  • @kentsmith4999
    @kentsmith4999 Pƙed 2 lety +4

    Meshuggah is such a phenomenal band! Always incredible to listen to them, definitely humbles those who think they've gotten far. The thing I love about them is as much syncopation as they do, there's always at least one constant to bring it all together. Most of their rhythms are in 4 but they displace and subdivide so smoothly that its easy to get lost. Keep an ear on the cymbals and snare, more often than not the rhythm is being held down by those factors, while the guitar riffs are flying in and out of it and are polyrhythmic alongside the unorthodox patterns/turn arounds. My favorite band alongside Animals As Leaders!

  • @iancraig5415
    @iancraig5415 Pƙed 2 lety +5

    I'm gonna preface this by saying that even though I had listened to pretty much everything up until nostrum as individual tracks, I had never given this album a proper listen back to back. As a result, I was basically listening to this album for the first time along with you and this I what I came up with by the end:
    1. This album is like applying the meshuggah effect to meshuggah. It takes everything you've ever known about them and how they craft their mind melting sound and says, "Oh you thought this was as deep as it went?" Inititally this whole album sounds much more abstract and complex, but then you start noticing the remnants of their sound (cymbals in 4, the same note progressions, similar solos, that kind of thing) and it sort of reveals itself. For me personally, it took hearing those similar elements and using them as sort of a key to unlock my mind to be ready for the rest of the album in order to properly feel it.
    2. The reason everything sounds so complex apart from that fact that it just is timing wise, is that there are so many fucking layers to the sound on each of the song that it almost seems infinite in terms of depth. Take the intro to Violent Sleep of Reason for Example, it keeps that chug riff as the main motif but in the background are these seemingly infinite layers of synth-sounding guitar leads that once you start listinening to them pull you in like an unending kaleidoscope of both dissonance and harmony at the same time. What this creates for me is both extreme confusion at my own inability to comprehend what I'm hearing properly and extreme awe at the beaty of the chaos I'm listening to because I know that there is order in what I'm hearing even if I can't place it.
    3. This album is essentially just one big representation of the band's name and what it means. Meshuggah means crazy or insane in yiddish and that's a rather on the nose name for noth their lyrics and how they absolutely fuck with the minds of music enjoyers of all levels. This idea is taken to 11 with the songs on this album, with a lot of them talking about feeding off of madness and lack of understanding, violence as a result of the sleep of reason if you will. An interesting thing I found was that the more I tried to analyze what the fuck was going on the more confused I was, but when I literally just put my faith in the band's songwriting process I was able to find the timing at least (standard practice for meshuggah where its better to just trust your instinctive reaction than to analyze it). What's unique about what happened here though was that almost seemed to remove the curtain if only briefly for the instrumentation. As someone else said in the comments, listening to meshuggah even after you've been a fan for years, is like peering into a crystal ball. At first everything is foggy but every now and then the mist peels back and you get a glimpse into almost how the band is feeling the song and it feels like you're finally on the right wavelength and it all makes sense. But not in a way where you can comprehend all of what's happening on an individual level and see how each instrument contributes to the whole, but more like seeing the whole and being able to vibe with it regardless of whether anything else makes sense.
    I think where this album primarily loses people is in the stripped back songs like Born in Dissonance where it seems like they're just writing songs as a parody of themselves, but once you see them in the context of the album as a whole they gain a whole new meaning of sorts. This album is also the polar opposite of albums like koloss and immutable, where the band uses the lack of layering to create this incredibly deep and primal sound. Violent Sleep of Reason does the inverse and adds all the layers to create this incredibly interwoven beautiful but also madness inducing level of complexity that gives an otherwordly vibe. There's no way to make this sound less condescending, but I think this album has the same issue as catch-33 where sometimes it takes a brief moment of enlightenment and a lot of faith in the band to be able to see behind the curtain and watch the performance if only briefly. I sincerely hope any of this made sense, this is just how my ADHD brain processes the beautiful bullshit this band puts out.

  • @johnarchibald6
    @johnarchibald6 Pƙed 2 lety +6

    This album is the one that has stuck with me the most over all their other work even though I would say I love everything they have done

  • @untetheredmoon6971
    @untetheredmoon6971 Pƙed 2 lety +2

    I absolutely love your editing and reactions. You're also quite handsome :-) very nice smile!

  • @inkubuzz
    @inkubuzz Pƙed 2 lety +4

    Please react to their NONE EP... its actually what got me into Meshuggah

  • @braders790boop
    @braders790boop Pƙed 2 lety +5

    I just saw them live in nottingham. was a really good set. they played lots of different songs from all of their albums.

  • @gabeherophenom406
    @gabeherophenom406 Pƙed 2 lety +31

    Something I've noticed that throws you off is all their songs that use triplets. You try to fit it into 16th notes, but it doesn't work. That why you get thrown off. And rare songs, like Armies of the Preposterous use 6/8 time signature on top of triplets. On this album, the title track and Ivory Tower both are triplet feel. That's why they were so tricky for you.

    • @DrewFortune97
      @DrewFortune97  Pƙed 2 lety +12

      Ahhh, that makes sense. I need to up my time signature game😂😂

    • @spaantz
      @spaantz Pƙed 2 lety +5

      This was going through my head the whole time. You're exactly right

    • @OHBJJ9634
      @OHBJJ9634 Pƙed rokem

      ​@@devendasmusic it is rare. Exquisitr machinery, demons name, violent sleep, ivory tower, they move beloe, armies, all use that 6/8 or 3/4 time signature. It is groovy as fuck tho. I might have missed some songs

  • @GodGabi
    @GodGabi Pƙed 2 lety +3

    Born in Dissonance is my favourite meshuggah song

  • @johnarchibald6
    @johnarchibald6 Pƙed 2 lety +4

    Hey Drew after many listens I can say Clockworks is my favorite track from Meshuggah. Challenging for sure but after you listen a few times and understand the rhythm, it throws you off in the beginning because they play off beat and then on beat and then off again for the first section and then end on a choke. So that low chug slide happens off the snarel and then on the snare and then off again, so when Thomas says Immutable is more approachable because the guitars don't cross the drums at all this is what he is talking about. Once you catch it in all of its nuance, you'll understand this masterpiece. The track Violent Sleep of Reason fricking slaps tho doesn't it lol

  • @WebsterA
    @WebsterA Pƙed 2 lety +1

    I realize you're not a musician.
    You've said it a few times.
    But you seem to have a knack for the Meshuggah groove.
    Sometimes, they really challenge us.
    I've said it before, but if you try and find the "groups of note cycles" that the guitars do, your understanding and appreciation will skyrocket.
    It takes a bit of pausing. Sometimes even some graph paper. But it's the most rewarding music decoding there is.
    Cheers, Drew!
    Thanks for these!

  • @Ledjent
    @Ledjent Pƙed 2 lety +1

    See you at the gig Drew! I can't wait to see them! < 33

  • @bluemario89
    @bluemario89 Pƙed 2 lety +8

    Brother if you want more groove go listen to the Koloss and Chaosphere albums

  • @TemalCageman
    @TemalCageman Pƙed 2 lety +1

    I really love your full album reactions!
    EDIT: I should say that I am a huge Meshuggah fan and discovered them back in 1994 and have followed them since then. :)

  • @viktorahlin4075
    @viktorahlin4075 Pƙed 2 lety +2

    You really need to react to some CKY! "96 quite bitter beings", followed up by "Escape from hellview" would be a good start! You probably take requests from patreon or something, but this you wont regret! Bam Margeras brother plays the drums and Bam has produced most of their music videos.

  • @beardo85
    @beardo85 Pƙed 2 lety +2

    I had no idea it was live tracked. Thats so sick!

  • @idontcare_wtf
    @idontcare_wtf Pƙed 2 lety +1

    Loving the format, great edits dude. Cool that you manage to put videos on top of the reaction.

  • @DoNotLookDown
    @DoNotLookDown Pƙed 2 lety +3

    This album came out when I was first getting into super heavy music. So this was my first Meshuggah album and I loved it. It sounds so different from the rest of their stuff. The production sounds so good to me. It definitely feels like one of their heaviest albums. I didn't like Immutable as much cause it just sounded off to me. I feel like the riffs drag on a bit for me and a bit too groovy. I like the super challenging material on this record. But Immutable has really grown on me.

  • @esscue
    @esscue Pƙed 2 lety +3

    46:28
    "this feels like the final boss of Meshuggah albums"
    wait until you listen to Sol Niger Within, it may not be released as a Meshuggah record, but it's a monster in the Meshuggah-verse for sure.

    • @Harklaren
      @Harklaren Pƙed rokem

      yeah, i mean its made by Fredrik whose the lead guitarist in meshuggah, so that might be why

  • @drumkidstu
    @drumkidstu Pƙed 2 lety +5

    This is by far their most technical work they've ever put out. Just sit with it and it'll click like a good whiskey. Try really looking for the snare rather than the cymbals on this album. Tomas has really been avoiding giving a straight groove on the cymbals. But the groove is held by the snare and it grooves ridiculously hard.

  • @PB-EASY
    @PB-EASY Pƙed 2 lety +1

    I appreciate your honest reaction. Even though this album is in my top 3 of theirs, I can see where you're coming from. I think we can all agree that this is BY FAR their most aggressive album to date and can hit some listeners in the face so hard and so fast that, before they know it, the album's over and you're left wondering and not completely understanding what just happened. Totally get it.

  • @megagalactickanye454
    @megagalactickanye454 Pƙed rokem +1

    The two dudes in the comments suggesting "puritanical euphoric misanthropia" and "exoplanet" are spot on. Two great metal albums.

  • @tombyrne8657
    @tombyrne8657 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    I saw these guys on Wednesday like yourself. I think they are far more challenging live than on CD. My eyes started rolling back uncontrollably in my head at one point and I'm worried I may of had a near seizure, lol.

  • @kezzaposiris
    @kezzaposiris Pƙed 2 lety +4

    Please react to Meshuggah-Chaosphere it is very powerful and great album!

  • @TheDjentleman77
    @TheDjentleman77 Pƙed 2 lety +2

    Meshuggah definitely mess with your head! 😅 Looking forward to the next album, a few more to go. 😉 Enjoy your live experience, you’re definitely in for a treat! đŸ€˜đŸ»đŸ”„

    • @DrewFortune97
      @DrewFortune97  Pƙed 2 lety +2

      Thank you brother!

    • @TheDjentleman77
      @TheDjentleman77 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      Are we getting a review on the concert?! Would love to hear your thoughts. đŸ€™đŸ»

    • @DrewFortune97
      @DrewFortune97  Pƙed 2 lety +2

      @@TheDjentleman77 yessir! I’m probably going to upload it as a Patreon exclusive for a week or so! So it will probably be live only on Patreon for a week, will decide after if it will go on CZcams as a full video!

  • @MellonVegan
    @MellonVegan Pƙed 2 lety +1

    It's difficult, bordering on impossible, to choose a favourite Meshuggah album but for me, this one is definitely part of that conversation.
    That "drop", let's call it, in Clockworks and the opening riff of Born in Dissonance are some of my favourite heavy af adrenaline pumping riffs that were just meant to be put on when maxing out on a deadlift or sth.
    And the solo in Ivory Tower along with that crushing, chunky riff underneath is, imo, on a level (of solos) they haven't reached since Destroy, Erase, Improve. It's the eyes rolling into the back of your head kind of good.
    That said, I had a few full listens when it came out and since then, although all songs on it are good, I've mainly listened to my favourites (albeit very often). Like the new record, it feels long, not in a way of being boring but in a way of holy shit, I can only take so much punishment ^^
    Something like Koloss, although not necessarily better, is definitely easier to listen to in full.

  • @lukeholicki
    @lukeholicki Pƙed 2 lety +1

    I think it's fine to talk and I enjoy it! But maybe don't have the music volume go as low as it does when you talk? Love the vids!

  • @Gryphon13
    @Gryphon13 Pƙed 2 lety +5

    My favorite song off this album is the Violent Sleep of Reason. The part at 3:30 makes me feel like my brain is being microwaved LOL

  • @mikusrojus
    @mikusrojus Pƙed 2 lety +1

    Oh yeah, Chaosphere is the reason I really dig into Meshuggah, highly recommended by me, pure chaos and insanity, You surely should listen to this album!

  • @siryeetsleyiii872
    @siryeetsleyiii872 Pƙed 2 lety +3

    The rawness in guitar tone comes from a crazy effect or filter the producer Tue Madsen used. I think it was some effect from the 70s or something, can't remember exactly what he said.

    • @devendasmusic
      @devendasmusic Pƙed 3 měsĂ­ci +1

      The tracked 4 pairs of rhythms with tons of different amps, so it gives that huge detuned chorus effect

  • @educostanzo
    @educostanzo Pƙed 2 lety +1

    You should really check Vildhjarta's 2021 album Masstaden Under Vatten if you like this. Challenging, innovative, crazy af songwriting and massive production. It's like if Meshuggah ate a lot of weird mushrooms.

  • @Dev_UI
    @Dev_UI Pƙed 2 lety +2

    physics to headbang? what about the hi-hat? 38:26

    • @DrewFortune97
      @DrewFortune97  Pƙed 2 lety +3

      The numbers Mason, what do they mean

    • @Dev_UI
      @Dev_UI Pƙed 2 lety +2

      @@DrewFortune97 it's the time signature đŸ€ŁđŸ˜‚

  • @prathameshkulkarni226
    @prathameshkulkarni226 Pƙed 2 lety +3

    33:37 is musically the heaviest thing ever!! What a drop that is!

  • @TricksyDK
    @TricksyDK Pƙed 2 lety +2

    You think you have heard Meshuggsh tonight you know you have đŸ˜đŸ€˜ have an awesome concert

  • @raymorin7726
    @raymorin7726 Pƙed 2 lety +2

    Has drew done any orbit culture yet if not saw is a great start

  • @erotomania91
    @erotomania91 Pƙed rokem

    Man... I love your brutal honesty after "Stifled" ends at 51:10. I remember first listening to that song and not being able to understand the rhythm and being so mystified by how anyone could create such a rhythmic monstrosity of a song. Great stuff seeing your reactions man.

  • @rubaidaallen2764
    @rubaidaallen2764 Pƙed 2 lety +3

    Great album đŸ”„đŸ”„đŸ”„đŸ”„

  • @anthonyharding4380
    @anthonyharding4380 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    I get all songs on this album except Into Decay, it's still growing on me...I hope ;)

  • @vincentbass90
    @vincentbass90 Pƙed 2 lety +3

    Ivory Tower is a 6/8

  • @anaguma90
    @anaguma90 Pƙed 7 měsĂ­ci

    What an opening Clockworks is. I always have imagery in my mind of huge machines moving when I listen to Meshuggah, and this one sounds like some kind of enormous engine.

  • @ricardosilvalacerda3959
    @ricardosilvalacerda3959 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    'Nostrum' always cause me shivers!

  • @instantnoodles4663
    @instantnoodles4663 Pƙed 2 lety +2

    Drew doing the classic meshuggah face at 28:09
    You love to see it

  • @Gravityys
    @Gravityys Pƙed 2 lety +1

    I believe I was the one who left that initial comment on the Thornhill album where I said that you "turn down the volume way too much when you're speaking and that it makes it hard to discern the music at times". By no means did I mean to imply that you shouldn't speak during the album, you're absolutely right about this being a reaction video where you voicing your thoughts is something a viewer should expect no matter how frequent. I just think that the music could be a tad louder when you're speaking, but only a small tad. I hadn't heard that Thornhill album and it was difficult to discern the music as a newcomer so I just went and listened to the album by myself as opposed to watching along.

    • @DrewFortune97
      @DrewFortune97  Pƙed 2 lety +3

      Not sure man it might have been you, I really appreciate the feedback! Hope it didn’t come across as petty or anything when I spoke on it. I’ll see if I can lower the volume a little less!

    • @Gravityys
      @Gravityys Pƙed 2 lety +2

      @@DrewFortune97 Nah mate, you were pretty cool about it so thank you and I respect whatever decision you choose to make. Have a great day!

  • @JBthree24
    @JBthree24 Pƙed 8 měsĂ­ci +2

    This album was recorded at the event horizon

  • @WebsterA
    @WebsterA Pƙed 2 lety +2

    Dude, 33:45 you had that math shit going on screen and you looked at the camera and shrugged.
    Fuck, I laughed.
    If Meshuggah didn't confuse the shit out of us constantly, it wouldn't be the same. Haha.
    Find those chug-groups!

  • @S4MBONE
    @S4MBONE Pƙed 23 dny

    The violent sleep of reason. "It's an illusion we all imply. So when you die, remember that we said it was not reality"

  • @coreymcnaught
    @coreymcnaught Pƙed 2 lety +2

    The volume ducking a little is fine. It’s a reaction. I agree, if your listening for the album then just go listen to the album.

  • @CristianFlores-jd6xg
    @CristianFlores-jd6xg Pƙed 11 měsĂ­ci

    Straight up simply put, you’re not ready for this music. This music takes a very in tune ear and all you’re listening to is looking for a “groove”.
    Once you’ve become in tune with this music it all becomes a “groove”

  • @niiiiklas
    @niiiiklas Pƙed 2 lety +2

    IMO Clockworks, Born in Dissonance and Our Rage Wont Die is in their top 5, they grow on you over time. The other ones on this album is not so "good" for me.

  • @bigfannypack
    @bigfannypack Pƙed 2 lety +1

    Oh I’ve already commented, and watching this again and noticed something.. Tomas Haake actually writes 90% of the lyrics.. he’s the drummer.

  • @ZombryaTheDark
    @ZombryaTheDark Pƙed rokem

    I hope meshuggah live changes your life my friend. My favorite band of all time

  • @flesruoYkcuFoGuoY
    @flesruoYkcuFoGuoY Pƙed měsĂ­cem

    Hearing Meshuggah live made me understand it. Not helped me, MADE me. After I saw them perform on the VSOR tour in 2016 (I think) I just fucking got it.

  • @johnarchibald6
    @johnarchibald6 Pƙed 2 lety +2

    Lmao Drew listen close when you said you need a physics degree to headbang to this, you can hear the High hat 1,2,1,2 under the crazy whew whanew what whauwhanehwnew lol you got to find what they are trying to do with the drums and God Help you to try to head bang to Meshuggah on the first couple listens sticking with the guitar.

  • @brucegilstrap9971
    @brucegilstrap9971 Pƙed rokem +1

    All about the head nod, this whole record. 10/10 also, clockworks solo, the back guitar is literally the same damn note the entire time and doesn’t change. Took me years to figure it out. This record also helped me through one of the hardest times in my life. Love that I get to live along side this record

  • @emilklamer6938
    @emilklamer6938 Pƙed rokem

    go back to this album again!
    we need to see your progression!!

  • @hakkenarsk
    @hakkenarsk Pƙed 2 lety +1

    I'm going to Dublin (first time)! from Sweden! So don't look scared is an old graybeard metal head from Sweden pokes you on the shoulder, haha.

    • @DrewFortune97
      @DrewFortune97  Pƙed 2 lety +3

      Haha, do my man! Can’t wait to meet a lot of you!

    • @hakkenarsk
      @hakkenarsk Pƙed 2 lety

      @@DrewFortune97 Missed you (we sat in fron on the upper circle)! But what a heart warming crowd, so many nice people! Most def going back when fav bands is going there! Both Z&A and Meshuggah was awesome.

    • @hakkenarsk
      @hakkenarsk Pƙed 2 lety

      @@DrewFortune97 Just look at that fucking view, gah, wanna see all the gigs from now on in my life from the upper circle:
      czcams.com/video/KHw4LWyiixY/video.html

  • @JL-ql2jo
    @JL-ql2jo Pƙed rokem

    Your genuine confusion during “Into Decay” was priceless 😂. After about 10 listens, the groove reveals itself and the song completely transforms. Same thing with “Stifled”; the verse goes from a unpredictable overload to a calm, calculated, groove. That’s one of the things I love about this band, it *is* challenging, but the structure they put forth so masterfully becomes formidable. The raw energy of other metal bands is a fun wild ride, but it loses its charm like an unhinged adhd person(me) does over time. Meshuggah is disciplined, not just technical, and the combo of those makes the music almost scary enjoyable. Don’t give up on this album!

  • @lungfulldrummer8921
    @lungfulldrummer8921 Pƙed 2 lety +2

    You seem to obsessed with "figuring it out". Sometimes you just have to let it wash over you and experience it.

  • @pipinfresh
    @pipinfresh Pƙed 2 lety +1

    If you can't catch the grove then follow the snare.

  • @kylereece1979
    @kylereece1979 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    Theres a superb band called Evergrey. Ultra melodic, powerful, masterfully dark atmospheric rock from Sweden. They've just dropped a damn good new album, "A Heartless Portrait". Deep deep downtuned grooves, cinematic lush swells of keyboards and instantaneously contagious , meaningful vocal melodies and soaring solos. All clean tone vocals, belted out from the heart. "Save Us" and "Midwinter Calls" are good tracks to check out in yer own time, m'chara.

  • @bigfannypack
    @bigfannypack Pƙed 2 lety +2

    A third comment on this video lol but who here thinks he should check out special defects by meshuggahs Fredrick thordendal lol craziest concept album ever and been waiting forever for the next installment!!!!

    • @lungfulldrummer8921
      @lungfulldrummer8921 Pƙed 2 lety

      I think he should listen to Dillinger escape plan - calculating infinity. 😆

  • @MadailinBurnhope
    @MadailinBurnhope Pƙed 2 lety +2

    I like this album more than Koloss

  • @xspartan346x
    @xspartan346x Pƙed 2 lety +1

    my literal only problems with this album are that Clockworks is just a bit too long, and they gave a chorus a shot on Monstocity but i dont really think it worked. Otherwise, this album sounds like sentient black holes fighting each other with swords of dark matter.