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No pro would have anything other than a 'Powermatic'. Save for maybe a 40 year old Delta.
Shameless cash grab. Considering you already got free equipment it's pretty ballsy to then be asking for tips and patreon too. I don't know any celebs that ask for donations after they get paid to endorse something but I guess CZcamsrs gotta slum as low as they can go. Beats working for a living I guess. Why work when you can beg, right?
@@desertdweller9548 this dude here is a sheister anyway lol. I call him the clickbait king of cons
@@terencemerritt at least someone else can see it for what it is. Channel is a joke.
The plug type is a standard US 20AMP plug. The reason it is like that is because its effectively designed not to work with standard 15AMP wall sockets. You need to be sure your plugging it into a 20AMP outlet (which will have the sideways plug built into it). If you plug it into a 15AMP socket it could cause a fire. Be sure your only using a 20AMP socket *and* that your using 20AMP wiring in your wall. (10/2 or 12/2 with ground is required. Please dont use 14/2 *15AMP* wiring. I dont want your CZcams channel to go down in flames along with your shop!)
Also ! You need a heavy duty extension cord IF you use one to get to the wall socket. I used to read reviews of saws stating the motor burn up the first week. They most likely used a standard extension cord and this will deliver LOW voltage and low volts means high AMPS and those high amps will burn up your motor.
@@Ilikecoolmoviesyou really don’t want to be using an extension cord at all, for the exact reason you wrote , this guys setup is super dangerous, one 15 amp receptacle in a garage which is on a circuit with potentially 11 other receptacles somewhere else in his apartment (code here is 12 receptacles to a circuit) if that breaker goes bad and don’t trip, which happens, basically the wire 14/2 , becomes the break, can get super hot and burn the place to the ground. In almost every video of his I’ve seen he’s tripped that breaker, you really don’t want to be repeatedly tripping a breaker, it’s a recipe for it to go bad
@townside_woodcraft If I remember from previous promo videos he's made, He's plugging into a battery storage system so he can build up a reserve power supply for the very reason you bring up. If he turned on his vac system along with a saw the breaker blew. If he is still using the battery system he shouldn't experience voltage or power drop
You have to make sure you don't have just 14 gage wire in your walls you need 12 gage wire.
It is within code to install a 20A breaker with 12/2 and 15A receptacles (common in residential kitchens), but with his prior videos talking about blowing the breaker I would be surprised if that was the case here. I believe at least the commercial grade 15A receptacles need to be able to pass (but not necessarily deliver) 20A in case they are used on a 20A circuit.
18:44 - Um... You reveal at the end that Harvey supplied the saw. So they already KNEW you had a channel. You also didn't tag the video in any way to indicate the sponsorship. Even without a contract, they gave you at least a thousand dollars worth of equipment, and as of this comment that is not disclosed in the description, tags, title, pinned comment, or the first 80% of the video.
One would be an oversight, but both together feels like intentional deception. You speak and act as if you purchased this saw until the very end of the video.
Yea... very deceptive.
I was curious because he cries about working out of his apartment garage yet installs $5k worth of new tools in it. Put that $5k down on a house and get out of that apartment.
@@jeremyclaybaugh8790 Even using the FHB program that would only get you an $83,000 house. Good luck finding one for that price in today's market.
I literally came to comment about the same thing and saw this. You are completely right. He was dishonest at the beginning of the video. They wouldn’t give a random dude a free table saw.
And he keeps including super expensive specialty tools/addons as if it's nothing, knowing full well most people couldn't justify it. Like, I'm happy for anyone being able to afford an upgrade but this whole video is disingenuous.
You seem to contradict yourself. When you contacted the factory for a replacement hinge, you said you never told them you have a youtube channel because you wanted to see how good the customer care is. At the end of the video you say that they gave you the table saw free (obviously because you have the youtube channel) So which is it?
For those who don't know this was basically a 36-minute commercial.
Yeah, I think you're right. I am so over hearing about "my Festool".
Yeah I wasn’t gonna watch the whole thing anyway . A lot of talking in circles lol. Just get to it damn
Your video makes me appreciate my 60 year old all cast iron Craftsman table saw.
Hah!! Exactly other than the fence there cheaper than a cabinet saw and solid as a rock.
yeah, the fence is useless and had to be rebuilt@@moonolyth
My craftsman with cast iron table and the the best rip fence . But where do I get that dial indicator holder ?
His video, especially the " rear railing " comment, reminded me of Michael Jackson and his little boys at that ranch thing he built.
" Mr Jackson, whats in that room ? "
" Well Mr Young Man, that room is for " rear railing " .
@@moonolyth I've been using a DeWalt jobsite saw for quite few years now, and, apart from the aluminium table, I love it. One of my favourite things about it is the fence, that is super accurate, always stay parallel to the blade, and is super easy to adjust. I've used a few cabinet saws, and none of them come close when it comes to the fence. I would like a cast iron table though.
I thought this was going to be a video about ways to be an efficient and productive woodworker without a table saw. That would be a video worth making and watching.
You were clickbaited my friend, just like me.
There will always be a tool that you need.... always. IMO, look for videos where hand tools are the predominate method. You will learn a lot more about the trade and how things can be done without power tool. Be warned, you most likely will still need a tool you don't own. That's why my shop is full of 1 use tools. lol
I was duped too. Fuck this video.
@@Reign_In_Blood_963 That must be frustrating for you. I hardly ever feel that there is a tool that I need that I don't have. I don't have a vast array of tools, but I have mastered enough skills with my tools that there is hardly ever an operation that I cannot do just fine with the tools that I have. In 40 years of semiprofessional woodworking with a wide variety of projects, I have never felt a need for a table saw. For that reason, I tire of most CZcams woodworkers relying so heavily on the table saw and seeming to assume that every viewer has one. It would be refreshing to see some videos by woodworkers who, like me, do just fine without a table saw.
Yup, total clickbait. Dunno why anyone keeps subbing for creators that are shameless shills like this.
I so loved using the table saw, correctly called the Dim (dimension) Saw in the workshop in technical college as a carpenter/joiner student, then a few years later as a lecturer. Wadkin & Bursgreen, the sliding table was sooo smooth.
If the blue tape starts to compress over time and throw the wings out of alignment, you can use regular aluminum foil instead (aside from just buying proper steel shim material which can be a little pricey)
Or, strips from an aluminum can
The "weird" plug is a NEMA 5-20P; the 20-amp version of the "normal" 5-15P, the 15-amp version to which we're more accustomed.
In your kitchen you might actually have 5-20R receptacles over your counter. These have a sideways-T shape slot on the right and accept both 5-15P and 5-20P plugs.
That cutout for the fence adjustment is brilliant. Harvey is a good company. I have their 14" and 15" bandsaws.
On most woodworkers not needing a mobile base, I find it very useful to be able to quickly reposition the saw to make an extra-long rip cut or handle sheet goods, which usually involves moving the saw just a couple of feet or turning it to an angle. Happens often enough that I think the mobile base is a good investment if the shop is small and you will occasionally be doing long rips or cutting down large panels.
I have the same table saw and router table, I look forward to hearing more as you get a chance to use it. It is wonderful so far!
I bought that same saw about 3 months ago and I am loving it so far. For the mobile base I bought the Jet mobile base because there is an extension made for a table saw with a router table. It connects to the main base and sits under the support legs. It is not a cheep setup but it is working great for me so far. Be safe, keep making, and stay awesome.
Oh, that jet base sounds cool. I’ve been looking at Harvey and also Saw Stop but then my wallet says “oh noes”. I have two saws, one old craftsmen solid cast iron top with a 48” t fence from delta. It’s very very good. I also have a dewalt 10” that I got a 46” bow extended fence for and an infeed / outfeed table. Works for me! Just takes money! Haha😅
I have that same table saw. Minus the TiN coating. Had it for 2 years. I absolutely love it.
However that mobile base sucks. I just picked up the Bora kit with extention. In the middle of installing it.
@@thenext9537 - saws on sale right now - just ordered mine two days ago. Getting a Grizzly mobile base with extension.
TiN is a really good coating, in the machining world it is put on carbide or even ceramic cutting tools to make them last significantly longer. Excellent lubricity and it doesn't corrode.
The face i made when he smeared the paste wax all over the TiN coated surface....
@@MrXjoeharperx Ok, but if it doesn't corrode, why did they cover it in oil before shipping? Can't fault him for waxing it after getting in slopped in oil.
@@chrimony I'd like to test if dry TiN actually has less friction than TiN + wax. I would guess waxed TiN has less friction with dry wood but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
Thrilled you did this since it’s my dream saw. Us with budget tools still have a spinny blade and spinny bit and it’s pretty easy to translate all projects to that
The fence is a copy of the Delta Unifence. Great fence.
The purpose for the fence to be mounted in the low position is so if you have a piece of substrate with laminate glued to it. The laminate can overhang a couple inches toward the fence and the substrate underneath will touch the fence so you can cut the otherside square without having to trim your laminate first. Hope this makes since.
And it can be flipped to allow you with a guide strip to rip uneven lumber or use any template. It's a brilliant design and I've wondered why it seemed to die out. I love mine!
That fence is identical to my King Canada fence.
Also that plug is for 120v 20A, often found in newer kitchens as it's code in some places now. Watch your amp draw or you'll be tripping breakers.
If it hasn't tripped then it shouldn't.
did you see the lights dim when he turned it on the first time?
@@aggibson74 do you know what kind of lighting he has in his shop? If it's LED it wouldn't dim. It's probably LED too. Because zoomers gonna zoom. It has that it's LED look to it to me. Why LED doesn't dim is somewhat technical and complicated so I won't get into it here. PWM and current sensing and all of that.
@@1pcfred Check out 33:00, the lights dimmed when he turned on the saw. I'm wondering what will happen when he runs some thick maple through the saw. If he's on a 15 amp circuit, he could run into some breaker problems.
@@aggibson74 he could. Even if he's on a 20A circuit he could have problems. It'd depend on the breaker. Breakers are rated for current but they don't trip at precisely their ratings. There's a lot of variability between them. They're manufactured to a tolerance. But it's far wider than most imagine it is. So nothing can be said of them with certainty.
Like many others, I too replaced my Delta 10" contractor saw with a cabinet saw. I'm also working in a single car garage space. I considered the Harvey saw very closely, but wound up saving around $2000 by finding and restoring a UniSaw. One downside, I had to provide a 220V outlet, but since my electric dryer runs on 220V and is on the other side of the wall from the garage, it was pretty easy to just put in another plug. As another person commented, the Harvey saw should have it's own dedicated 20amp circuit, which would cost $ to install anyway. The plug adapter shown is a fire hazard. I also considered buying the Harvey cast iron router table extension and adding it to the Unisaw. It was in my cart... and I was ready to hit the "but it" button. Watching the video of the table tilting over ... I feel assured that I made the correct decision to NOT purchase it. I made my own top out of a scrap piece of white Corian that I glued to 3/4" plywood. It is great for being able to mark and erase fence locations. I needed to be able to move my saw (with the router table) around the shop. Having a hundred+ pound table hanging off the side doesn't help with balance and the spindly legs they provide aren't a solution. I'm surprised that Harvey doesn't include a warning or better base, (with extensions running parallel to fence rails, but along the floor) for folks that try that. Finally, I would be totally pissed off if my router table extension didn't match the main (gold color) table and extensions. I understand this is a free saw, and while their customer support may be good, Harvey marketing really dropped the ball on that one.
I did the same thing..had to take the top to a high end machine shop and had the tables lightly ground flat. It was built for a school shop in 1953 and was in high disrepair. Went and installed a dedicated 20 amp circuit, and yes, I don't need a fancy over priced saw-stop., and I still have all my fingers, but this Harvey looks interesting. nothing can come close to a Unisaw, how ever.
@@user-dp3ky3cm4l
It’s overpriced until something jams and you lose a finger.
Nice to see you now have a Harvey! Mine does not have the TiN coating so Harvey does make them with the standard cast iron tops ... the TiN is an upgrade the adds to the cost of the saw. Also, it should be noted that the fence is not only two heights, low and high, it can also be pulled back and set when you are cutting small cutoffs without having to clamp a block on the fence to keep from binding on the fence ... I use this feature to cut segments for turning.
Enjoy your new Harvey! Looking forward to seeing the projects you use your for and how you like it as your daily table saw.
BTW - Though Harvey may be a newer name here in the US, they have been selling tools in other markets for years under their own name and, from what I understand, they also manufacture equipment for Powermatic, Jet, Grizzly, ShopFox, Rikon and a bunch of other brands and have, in the past, made saws for Laguna.
That's good to know.
I bought the Harvey HW110S-52 about 3 years ago and really like it. I bought it to replace my Ridgid TS3650 that I used for years. It has a 4 hp motor and is powered by 240 volts so I had to do some electrical work to use it.
It too has the TiN coating and a Master-Rip fence that slides like silk on the rails.
Like you, I put it together by myself and it was quite a job at 64 years of age. Fortunately I have a heavy eyebolt mounted in the ceiling of my garage and used a chainfall to lift the unit onto the mobile base and support and lift the cast iron wings for installation.
Set up and dial in was pretty straight forward. The table was perfectly aligned to the blade and I only had to make minor adjustments to the fence like you did. I never use the blade guard as it just gets in the way more often than not. The miter gauge is respectable but doesn't see much use either as I have other devices that work better for me. I made several throat plate inserts on my CNC for zero clearance and dado blades.
The only problem I have had was the magnetic switch failed about 2 months ago but I was able to source one from Amazon that was nearly an exact replacement for about $15.
Good choice. I hope you enjoy it as much as I enjoy mine.
I remember the day I brought my SawStop 3hp saw home. What a pain to put it together and check alignment. So glad for the SawStop. It's cliche but nice to have the safety feature! ENJOY YOUR SAW!!
Are you so inexperienced about table saw safety practices that you bought a saw stop and didn't buy a Delta Unisaw, which is a better designed saw?
Troll @@user-dp3ky3cm4l
Nope! Just old enough to have the sense to mitigate as much risk as possible. I hope you never wish you had a Sawstop saw
Cool video! I don’t own a table saw and I didn’t know that there were so many bits and pieces that get worn out and fail. It’s just the nature of all materials (that are tough to repair) that they will fail. And, I say so truly not being on a high horse about it, I use hand saws. There are huge drawbacks to doing so, and certainly very pleasing benefits. One is the room that they take up -almost none. (And shooting board, protractor, marking gauge.) Long beveled cuts are trimmed with a plane but can never be executed along the entire length to within the width of a photon. Off the top of my head that’s the only thing that’s tough. (Dadoes require other tools.) It takes a lot of time for a great number of cuts. But for a few that would require changing a table saw set up each time, often not much more time, and often in just seconds. Of course, there is the pleasure of being closely connected to the materials and building skill. Benefits and drawbacks. Using both is likely an ideal combination.
I grew up with a friend, whose grandfather had built his house from the ground up, every bit using hand tools. The workmanship was exquisite. Every joint perfect, dovetails exact, even with the swings in humidity not a single door in the house ever stuck, or rattled. I learned what a true cabinetmaker can do when building his own house. Be proud of your hand tool skills; they are rare. Yes, it all takes longer, but the quality will last forever.
maybe that's how those old stone workers (masons?) who built things 2000 years ago (or more) felt about their work, and why their thousands of years old structures still stand, perfectly straight (oh well, that leaning tower in Italy notwithstanding!).
Added a router insert on my saw based, roughly, on your design. It was a great setup and appreciate you sharing the idea and details!
It's Harvey's design and built.
@@roelotterspeer6535 his new setup is sweat, I was referring to mimicking his previous setup he showed where he used plywood to build it in
Looks good. I had just ordered the 4hp TiN coating and they recommended a third party stand (the bora PM-3750) which has a slide-out for the extension as the saw is just over the weight capacity of their mobile base. I'm upgrading from a Bosch contractor saw that I put in a custom bench with a delta biesemeyer fence. I'm looking forward to less fine sawdust in my eyes and greater accuracy.
A quote from my Dad who spent his whole life as a woodworker/craftsman/homebuilder... "Anyone can do a job (i.e. build something) with the right tools, but it takes a real craftsman to do the job without the perfect tools". To that end, I have spent my last 60 years building all my wood projects (including furniture, a 14' long shuffleboard table with hard-rock maple butcher block top, storage boxes, shelves, etc., etc., etc.) using nothing but a circular saw and hand tools. No table saw. No router table. No jointer. No planner. Where there is a will, there is a way! Granted my projects aren't perfect, but they are close enough that only I know their defects. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
Thank you for the update and the information about the timeframe of videos
My dad used to tell me...with the money you save by building things yourself you can buy the right tools, do a proper job, and still save a ton of money. Don't be a hero or an idiot and use the wrong tool for the job. 😃
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Wake up, son of mine; Momma got something to tell you; Changes come; Life will have its way; With your pride, son; Take it like a man - (Song by Puscifer)@@earlteigrob9211
The time you spend doing things the hard way doesn’t make you a hero though. I have been building for about 10 years now. As much as i respect hand tool woodworking, Im a disabled female veteran and that many causes challenges. Not only because as a female I don’t have the same upper body strength, but also my chronic pain means I can’t overdo it on physical labor, so power tools make up for those things. There is no “right way” to woodworking, even with all the fancy tools, you still need the know how to use them to build
Amen to you. I Have the same old Delta table saw for 20 years, and have made alot over the years....no need for a $5000 table saw, and 2000$ planer joiner....these youtube guys are good for a tip here or there, but most of us don't have $50,000 shops and $50,000 business loans....
That plug at 32:30 is a standard U.S. plug. It's meant for 20A receptacles on a 20A circuit. Most extension cords are meant for use on 15A circuits (yes, even most of the ones rated for 20A). As a licensed electrician I've come across that plug configuration before (and yes, I too was confused at first). If you look at a 20A receptacle, you'll see the appropriate side has a place for that sideways plug.
I'm happy for you getting the new saw! Should make life a lot easier.
I would never say that you have to have expensive, top-notch tools to make things or be successful. You've clearly proven that, if you're willing to put up with a lot, you can still do quality work.
But what I will say is that for roughly $600 in your last saw, not of the design defects or cheaper materials should have been a surprise. Stamped tables that flex; questionable fence; difficulty calibrating. At that price point under current conditions, there was almost a certainty that one or all of those would take place.
I realize that space is a premium and that certain features and models seem like luxuries. As sometime who used to work in a very small shop, I probably spent about 70% of my time either moving tools into place so they could be used, or swinging boards and sheets around like a Shaolin Monk threading a needle. There has to be a value in every minute worked. You just made your job more profitable and your life much easier.
Better tools improve faster working. Lower quality tools can be used to create high quality output but you need a lot more time for the same quality.
I would love a cabinet saw for the stability and having the tilt & raise blade functions on separate controls, but I have about 30% of the space that you do and there is no way it would fit. So yes, I struggle with calibration and constant checking, but since my woodworking is strictly DIY, it works for me. BTW - Harvey's are supposed to be great saws - congrats and enjoy!
I thought you said you didn't tell them you had a youtube channel, how did you get this for free?
So I know why you're confused, but it's not hard to explain. He contacted their customer service, not the people he's directly dealing with. At least, this was his attempt to try to see a genuine response.
Wouldn’t they have looked at the order number to reference the table saw itself and they would have seen who it was sent to anyways
@@nicktolmachoff9415 Of course they knew who they were dealing with, so praising their support has absolutely no value to others. He should have disclosed the sponsorship first thing in the video. However, he is just a down to earth guy who's trying to make a living in that tiny garage, he shares lots of information, gives away stuff he doesn't use, etc. so I think it's fair to just let it go.
IIR, you have a battery power pack you plug your tools into to prevent popping a circuit breaker and having to wait for your landlord to reset it before you can get back to work. It will be curious to know how well that works for you in the future.
No disrespect meant. While he is a great creator/woodworker, the entire workshop has a sketchy and extremely unsafe electrical setup (The 20A to 15A adapter used in this video being a ptrime example). I am nowhere close to an electrician and yet I could spot so many things wrong with his entire setup.
Theres a very good reason for the unique shape of a 20A outlet & 20A plug. Simply using an adapter is not the answer here. Not to mention the number of extension cords & multiple times the breaker is tripped. You can also see the lights dim when he switches on the saw, Not a great sign.
All in all, Please dont follow ANY electrical stuff from this channel, Its a fire hazard with potential for loss of life & property.
Consult a professional electrician.
When I started woodworking I started with a used miter saw and a used orbital sander. Then got a used job site saw. Now I have an amazing shop with way better tools. I started out watching channels like woodworking for mere mortals and jays custom creations (when Jay was in a small apartment lol). But I also watched the Wood Whisperer. And while I definitely drooled over his shop and tools…. I never thought I couldn’t do the things he did because of my tools. It just made me set goals. LOL.
Great upgrade! I have a used Delta cabinet saw. It was like night and day from my job site saw. One day…. I will get a saw stop.
That's a nice, lean, clean shop. I love it. Often times, I feel like the tool of mental space you gain when you know where everything is located is worth more than a larger actual tool collection.
My first thought when the saw tipped..."man that fence is buttery smooth"
Glad you and Harvey didn't get hurt though
Vapor deposition is dope AF and you can find videos about how it's done on CZcams. They essentially evaporate the metal in a vacuum chamber with the part you want to coat and it deposits (thus deposition) on whatever surface it can. I'd recommend checking it out. It's very cool
Yeah, except
I'm pretty sure thos tables are CVD and not PVD.
Enjoyed the unveiling of your new plaything, and I'm a little envious.
I have a 113 series Craftsman table saw made in 1954, with webbed cast aluminum wings, and I've had it so long we're like an old married couple. I've learned to put up with all its little quirks and bad habits, and in return it has refrained from maiming me (as has my actual wife, at least so far).
When I was younger and more ambitious, I used it as a job saw. I'd settle that huge electric motor into my gut, grab the cast iron table through the webbed wings, and duck-walk it to where it was needed.
I remember one job in the mountain community of Idyllwild, CA, where I was finishing the interior of a log cabin with tongue and groove walls, built-in desks and vanities, and matching captain's beds. One knotty pine bedroom, one of knotty cedar, and one of redwood.
The young homeowner told me, "you don't need to bring a table saw; I have one." And he proudly showed me a brand new Craftsman with a sheet metal top and wings, a shaky stand, and (if I remember correctly) a direct drive motor. I brought mine anyway, and at the end of the job he offered me his saw plus what he had paid for it retail, in return for mine. I laughed....
Nowadays I'm retired, and just roll it around the shop. Of course, I did finally break down last year and put a Shop Fox fence on it. Now after watching your video, I'm thinking about fabricating a router table to go between the fence rails.
Nice cabinet saw! I’ve been very lucky with my nearly 20 year old Ridgid TS2424 table saw; 2’ cast iron wings on each side of the blade, a great fence, mobile base, etc. The only part on it I wasn’t 100% happy with was the miter gauge, but that’s a weak point on most new saws. After looking at that cheesy fence handle on your last saw I’m glad I got mine when I did. Wish I could justify getting a nicer cabinet saw, but for what I’m doing this old Ridgid works. Thanks for sharing! 👍
Cool video and glad you were able to upgrade. It was pretty amazing to see that you were able to do so much with that first job site saw, that shows determination!
Always refreshing to see that I'm not only one who has the potentially expensive/embarrassing/life-threatening "oh sh1t" moment when I don't read the instructions and almost have a heavy machine fall on me :)
Join the club!
I was waiting for that to happen because I did the same thing when I installed my router table, but my solution was a little more involved. I bought some steel and fabricated a dolly long enough to extend under the router table and put ratchet lift swivel casterson all 4 corners. works and looks great. alsi I see that you used a complicated and expensive setup to be able to get your cut measurements and be able to consistently repeat your operation. I would recommend that you check IGAUGINGS table saw DRO as it is only about $100.00 and simple to install, put their self adhesive tape measure right over the top of the Harvey tape and the DRO fits perfectly in the slot for the sight windows, calibrate it and you are good to go. Takes about 15 minutes and you have metric, decimal and inches as well as a couple of different options for your measurements. Also I highly recommend that you breakdown and purchase the router fence to complete your setup, it is pricey but well worth the investment, and for your free saw and accessories you still have practicaly nothing invested into a $5,000 or so premium saw setup
Just found your channel and I really like it. You seem very down to earth and have a very chill vibe. I’ll be watching!
I really like the looks of that Saw & Rotor Table setup If I was a Table or Cabinet Builder I would definitely Try one but as so far not that advanced of a builder so will stick with my Jobsite Dewalt for now. I really hope it works as good as it looks.
That odd plug is to prevent you from plugging a 20A rated load into a 15A circuit.
No, it's cool.. he just adapted away the safety feature :D
@@johnlillyblad5188 The safty is provided by the circuit breaker. The plug end is an annoyance prevention device. If the device, in this specific example a table saw, draws more than 15 amps the breaker trips. Inorder for him get power back to his single receptical he has to wait for his facility to turn his power back on. You can put over rated wires, switches, recepticals, and devices on a circuit. As long as the inrush current or sustained loaded dosen't exceed the rateing of the protection device.
@@johnlillyblad5188 Darwin Awards candidate? 😁
@@1crazypj The only danger with what he did is that the apartment manager will get mad from having to go turn the breaker back on all the time. The store would not sell that adapter if it was dangerous, that would be a guaranteed future lawsuit.
@@shadowfaxcrx5141 You do live in the real world?
that "weird plug" is a US 120V 20A plug
the standard plug is only for 15A
you'll probably trip the circuit breaker way more if the saw wants 20A but you're using a 15A outlet
He said he doesn't have access to the breaker box. This could get interesting.
@@thomasthedoubter6813 I recall he is using a power strip as a like in place circuit breaker
so it trips the power strip first which he can reset
but yeah not good to use 20A stuff on a 15A circuit..
That would depend entirely on the amperage of the breaker.
@@dylan-nguyen Possibly, not always. The panel breaker might be more sensitive (e.g. 15.000 amps) than the power strip (15.125 amps). So "IF it trips " would be more accurate.
Great to watch you making this year's Christmas project. Merry Chrisrmas, Frank.
In your space and mine a good mobile base is essential. It would be easy to add wheels to the router extension posts. To lift this stuff, I'd add a cheap garage hoist to the rafters. I couldn't possibly lift these things. Can't wait to see how much this saw + accessories cost it's a thing of beauty!
So let me make sure I get this right, you said they didn't know you had a CZcams channel when you had to use their customer service to replace that part, saying you wanted to see how they treat their regular customers but the same company that doesn't know you have a CZcams channel agreed to send you a multi thousand dollar table saw set up for free? You also said you are under no contact so you will give an honest opinion yet I'm pretty sure you already lied to us. I like your content but please don't treat your followers like we can't see BS when presented with said bs.
Yeah that jumped out at me too. As well as not knowing what a 20 AMP receptacle is. All those “perfect” calibrations and then not enough current…
Bravo 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻 I thought exactly the same but was beaten to the punch.
I wish tool companies were as generous to me when I was trying and still am trying to replace my rain water damaged garage/shop tools, and I'm talking a few hundred on a tool not a couple of thousand per tool. They particularly were not interested in a new start up youtuber channel.
Yeah, that was weird. Though I suppose he could've meant he just randomly contacted them about it, not talked to a specific rep. Either way, I want to know what kind of clamps he was using to jack up that router table. I need some of those.
ut it said no gravity in space
But you say sun is held together by gravity explain elabrate please
He is talking out of both sides of his mouth
You are gonna want a mobile base extension for your router table extension. With support legs resting on the ground you will eventually destroy the joint between the legs and the saw as you move the saw around. You can get base extensions to put those legs on wheels that are rigid to the rest of the base. Made that mistake with my first cabinet saw.
FWIW, I have a similar setup (albeit a Delta cabinet saw) with a router table on the left side. I have a long extension table on the right side that needs legs on the far end. But I bought a mobile base with an extension designed specifically for those legs to sit on.
That TiN coating is amazing! Used heavily in the mountain bike world on suspension components. Never rust and extremely durable against scratching.
🤣Not true. I had my saw less than a week and it had a rust spot on it. I had to sand it out and ended up sanding off the some of the tin.I've had it a couple of years now and it looks like an absolute mess. I've even regularly coated it and I still get rust. Unfortunately I didn't contact the supplier as soon as it happened and now the warranty is up.
@@jac_builtWoodworks It's not the TiN that rusted, it is the cast iron under the TiN coating. Titanium is a very lightweight durable metal that doesn't rust. It is not a ferrous metal. But it is very expensive. Therefore I would suspect the TiN coating on the saw top is probably just a couple thousandths thick. Not really much protection. Same as used on drill bits. Titanium is used heavily in the space industry to save weight, and for the screws and pins when a surgeon puts boken bones back together.
@@jac_builtWoodworks If stuff is rusting inside your workshop, you should be fixing the ventilation and heating setup because the air is way too moist for any accurate working.
If you use the right predrill, screws and a clamp you won't blow out and split your finished piece like at 34:09. I like the use of the magnets, I'm not sure why the one at the rear is not oriented in the same direction as the one at the front.
I was going to ask why you chose this saw over sawstop, but you got it for free, so yeah that answers everything lol
bc harvey gave him this saw. He didn't spend money.
@@keithf5236 Yeah I asked the question before finishing the video. I just saw the confession at the end lol. What a gift!
@@dcmirkindeed, I wish I had a channel and made cool shit to sell and to get gifted a nice table saw. My delta contractor saw could definitely use an upgrade. :)
@@keithf5236I
I also went to a Cabinet saw. A used one although but, the difference in power, Noise and stability are worth the change. Cutting through 2 inch hardwood with a job site saw was painful and once I got the 220 Volt cabinet saw the difference was like night and day.
I learned a lesson years ago. I did everything with a small Ryobi Radial Arm saw and hand tools. When I decided to get a Tablesaw, a Cabinetmaker took me over to his shop and taught me a few things. When he started out money was an object. So he started out with a Contractors saw and then because of that decision he had to buy other tools. In the end he finally bought a Delta Unisaw. His thoughts after many years, it would have been Better to buy the Unisaw in the beginning and he wouldn't have to buy other tools which now gather dust. He did buy the Big Base which I thought was a good thing. You have a similar problem, the tiny base and the Router table overhanging. I got the big base, though it is good quality. It is just not Rigid enough. So I had a base made up at a welding shop. It may seem overkill, but this the base to your machining center. It was made of 1 1/2" x 3" Rectangular tubing. Two long side pieces and Two end pieces and One cross member which encloses the saw. Four gussets are installed and the saw sits on this. Wheels I used Two 3" fixed wheels at the saw end and Two 3" swivel wheels at the router end. No brakes.
Changes I would do Go to 4" wheels. Some would say inset those long rails, Don't, there is plenty of room for your feet. I makes a good solid base for Cabinet storage, Dust collection or whatever. If done properly it will only raise the saw an Inch. Then add a Folding extension table Good Luck
Better late than never, but the Unisaw was a great choice. bet he loves it.
How much of our time is wasted on projects or details that no one is ever going to see or are quickly replaced by something else.
Watching your channel progress and evolve is inspiring, and I'm jealous of that new saw! 😀
All of us wood workers are a little Ocd. Make my cousin a cutting board 5 years ago and I can immediately find the spot I messed up on.
@@CoKanet-no2jt I don't look up when I walk around my house anymore, too many projects I want to do again 😂
It's a nice saw but my yard sale special does me just fine.
Very very nice tablesaw. Lucky you.
Bit of a contridiction at 18:50, and then later say its a sponsored table. None the less, good service and a really good upgrade for your workplace. You deserve it with the great content.
i think he reached out without saying he got it for free and such. Wanted to test the everyday joe calling in part.
I suspect that he had to provide a serial number or proof of purchase, which means they probably knew he was sponsored.
@@snwbrdn777ohhh, i didn't think of that part. Perhaps that's the case.
You'd be surprised. Needed a part for my Henry rifle and sent them an email asking where to buy it at. Didn't hear anything back via email but a few days later the part showed up.
Would have been a little more straight forward to tell us at the beginning instead of the end where 70% of the viewers have already checked out.
I'm happy you got a new saw. Looks absolutely incredible! You're creating great content, these videos are so lovely to watch. Best regards from Finland.
Back in the day when electricity was first rolled out, there were a lot of variances in the power that was delivered to customers. Over time it was standardized to 110v, which again over time was updated to 120v. So although you will still see references to 110v the latest standard is 120v and subsequently 240v for 2 phase circuits. Further, there technically is no such thing as 2 phase; the correct terminology is split phase. Also, I have a Ridgid cabinet style table saw with the same router table saw extension you have. I used a Bora mobile base (actually two kits put together) and the support legs for the router table extension sit on the Bora base, so the entire setup is completely mobile. Since my garage is also my workshop, I need to move the saw all the time. Lastly, I appreciate your video and thanks for sharing and I use my Milwaukee Packout in the same fashion you use your Festool boxes for rolling stuff around.
In addition to the other comments regarding the NEMA 5-20 plug, Harveys smallest motor I see is a 2 HP which is 15.9 Amps. On a 20 Amp breaker using the max load of 80% you get 16 amps. If you convert it to a 5-15 plug on a 15 Amp circuit you are limited to 80% of 15 Amps which is 12 Amps. Add in dust collection on the same circuit and you are definitely over the limit for a 15 Amp circuit. This could possibly cause a failure in your breaker over time. I think Harvey uses this plug on purpose so you have to use 20 Amps circuit. Double check your breaker and see what it is rated for. I did enjoy the video though. Beautiful saw. Enjoy.
uhhhh, changing the plug won't limit what the motor draws. You cant just convert draw.
So, this is why you REPLACED your table saw, not get rid of it. Why the misleading title friend ?
Misleading title is a signature of almost all of his videos 🤨
ya, i have yet to see a correct title on any of his ganki videos@@meshkovsergey
I have a similar setup with a Sawstop. I used an air bearing rather than a mobile base. The advantage is that the saw floats on a cushion of air when moved and with air off it sits solidly on the ground.
I have the delta version and have not had any of these issues
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Thank you for your eye-opening video re: your old saw needing daily recalibration. I'm starting to wonder how many of my do-overs are the result of my lack of experience with the materials or my lack of awareness of my tools' limitations. Again, thanks.
Knobbydoodles, you had us at knobbydoodles!!! So, this is really a fantastic video, because if I'm considering a very expensive purchase, I need the level of detail and the number of angles that you cover here! GLORIOUS!!!
Glad you will be moving soon. You do not have enough power to run this machine. Thank you for sharing your build video. Everyone stay safe, warm, happy and healthy. From Henrico County y
If your fence is going that far out, something's straight up broken. That's a good fence.
I had an older Rigid contractor saw that served me well for a number of years. Upgraded it with a Incra mitre gauge, it was rock solid and accurate. The micro adjusting fence was a godsend for finicky me. It didn't have the issues Eric had with his later model Rigid, like loose fence rails. Sadly, I had to move and during long term storage at a friend's carport, it happened to sit right under a roof leak, severely damaging the motor and top.
I use my 12" Hitachi compound miter saw all the time- Quick, accurate, mounted on a portable, collapsable roll around stand and I love it!!!
Thats a sweet cabinet saw! You should never feel bad about upgrading y0ur tools, or worry about what others think about you doing so. You make money with your tools. You should always grow your business and that usually means having to upgrade your equipment! Especially if a company is going to “give”you one like that! There is not one single person that would say no to that! Good for you! Cant wait to see how that thing works! Btw, I have the Delta version of your last saw that I got on sale one year for like 450 dollars. Its been a great saw for me!
Now wait a minute in the beginning they forget a pin right and then you said that they didn't know you were a CZcamsr and now you're saying they gave it to you the saw sus
right?
He didn’t contact the customer service team through his professional contact
yea... sure. He used a different email and a different delivery address... come on, how naïf are people these days.... @@missedyadobalina8619
I am looking at this saw to buy. I see you have the right side extension is cast. On the Harvey sight they don't give you the option of cast iron and it looks like a composite wing in the photos. I also don't see any options to customize on their site. Any suggestions? I know you said it was gifted to you. Just looking for some clarity.
Thanks
I have the Harvey bandsaw, also with the mobile base, but I needed all wheels to be swivel casters. Harvey will sell you just two additional casters to use with their mobile base. This allows MUCH more flexibility in positioning the saw. You might want to try it with your setup.
You can always install castor wheels on the router support legs.
Another stupid thing (CZcams) woodworkers do is have click bait titles for videos.
it works for him
@@AaronGeller but it’s misleading. Reading that title I’m thinking he’s working without a table saw, so I watch with interest thinking how is that possible? But no, he’s just replacing his saw. VERY BORING. Thumbs down.
@@chrisb2443 Curious, how long have you been following Eric Spencley?
Exactly. "This 1 trick means you can get rid of your table saw! ...get a cabinet saw for free, easy!"
My Harvey is coming tomorrow. I didn't dive into the router extension but I know it's inevitable. Great video of the unboxing and setup.
Part way through your video. I use a General 10" cabinet saw and it is lovely. Doesn't have the issues of your first saw. As for mobile base? I move the saw EVERY time it is used and the General is anything but light. After watching the remainder of the video I'd suggest changing the mobile base to something with the support wheels spread out towards the heavy router table. A properly set up table saw is certainly the "elephant in the room" due to the huge amount of space it eats up. Particularly in your bowling alley sort of a shop. Agree that cast iron table extensions are the way to go. I oil my table in the off season to prevent rust although I will try paste wax to see how well it works.
General is made in Canada If I remember correctly
I love your content, but the fact you stated early on "i didn't tell them (Harley) i have a CZcams channel" when ordering the faulty/missing parts, only to later contradict yourself saying "No, i did not buy this saw, Harvey was kind enough to send this out to me on the condition i give my true opinion"
I just found that a little disappointing, after believing you to be a genuine humble garage woodworker 😔
So I know why you're confused, but it's not hard to explain. He contacted their customer service, not the people he's directly dealing with.
I still remember how you praised the Rigid Contractor Saw. Now you completely trash it. Do you ever feel guilty about leading people to purchase a white elephant ?
I had a Dewalt contractor that I loved, but after two years it was just worn out and was trash. Not sure if that's what happened to him, but hopefully he didn't purposely lead people to a white elephant. First video here so what do I know🤷♂️.
Love my Harvey saw. Had it for a couple years and it has stayed true and solid.
Harvey! Nice! I just got my Sawstop a few months ago. LOVE IT! Upgraded from a 113 Craftsman. The Craftsman just found a new owner today how will love him and create a new woodworker. :P
So, did you just tell a lie? You said you sent in for warranty replacement parts. 1 that didn't come and 2 the other that was broken. You said you went thru the normal process, but if they gave you that saw, then they knew who you were. Hints the quick response time and shipping times. Nice saw, but I'm not sure what you say to be true. Don't lose credibility. Just be honest.
So I know why you're confused, but it's not hard to explain. He contacted their customer service, not the people he's directly dealing with. So he was being honest.
This is the first time I am bringing this up to all the CZcams woodworkers that have taken a free tool from Harvey. "Nothing in life is free." Someone, somewhere is paying for that saw. I looked at purchasing a Harvey bandsaw but have since decided not to do so. I wish to spend my dollars with a company that doesn't treat regular paying customers in less standing that someone who decides to make videos, so their machine is seen by their subscribers. Someday this gift from Harvey might come back to "bite" you and all the others that have taken "free" tools from this manufacturer. Nothing in life is free. You might not be paying the price but the other Harvey customers are. I am a retired design build contractor with 40 years of experience to back up my thoughts. All my tools and equipment are bought and paid for thru hard honest work. Good Luck with your CZcams business. Think about what I said.
Well said!
He said the terms he was bound by. You need to pay attention to what you've been told.
All companies advertise. Harvey and others use this medium to reach potential customers just as Ford uses tv, print, etc.
Paying Customers for every company pay the advertising cost. In this case, an acutual woodworker gets to benefit versus the radio,tv, print conglomerates. So I’m glad someone in the trade can benefit from their work vs a corporation.
@@markh2369 yeah the only Harvey I'd heard of before this video was the wallbanger type. BTW not all companies advertise. Have you ever seen a Rolls Royce commercial? Some companies don't need to advertise because they have enough mindshare already. But that certainly is not the case with Harvey.
I got the same TS from Harvey with the whole router set up, including the router fence. I could not be happier with it.
I also can confirm the Harvey mobile base is total crap. Due to the weight and balance issues I ended up fabricating my own mobile base with 6 360deg heavy duty casters. I added a custom made storage underneath as well as dust collection to the back of the storage. Still a work in progress, but getting there!
I don't usually comment on videos, but since this is the last one of yours that I'll watch before unsubscribing from your channel, I had to do it. I have the same saw as your Ridgid but the Delta version. Almost everything that you complained about is BS. Of course the dust collection sucks, it's an open frame saw. No one ever said it was good. As far as the table being uneven and the fence needing constant adjustment and the seam in the rails. Come on man... set it up right and it will run right. I have had zero issues with my saw. The rail issue is also a setup issue, but Delta sells a one piece upgrade. I went for the 52" one piece rail. Both saws had a lack of table on the right side of the saw... Ridgid was a problem, but Harvey okay because they sold... sorry, GAVE YOU a router table extension. FYI... Delta and other third party companies also has those for the Delta (Ridgid). And for the plug... i truly hope you have a dedicated 20amp circuit for that new saw. Not only will you trip the breaker, but you will burn out that motor.
It just seemed like an unnecessary bust on Ridgid to justify the FREE saw that Harvey GAVE YOU. Lastly, you said that you ordered missing pieces and didn;t tell them who you were so you didn't get any special service. I call BS on that too. You didn't have to register the saw or provide a serial number? Stop with the games and build stuff already.
I’m struggling. This video is so strange. He got this saw almost a year ago. I can’t find the “promo”
Harvey video he did back then. I only know this time frame because I was thinking of buying the ridgid he was selling. Mind you he didn’t bring up all the issues then. I had the predecessor ts3650 and it was an incredible saw.
This just screams Harvey ad. It’s just strange. Hard to relate to this “creator”.
Bingo! I have the Delta as well. None of his “issues”. I also don’t set my ass on my saw and whine that it’s not strong enough and the fence doesn’t keep alignment. How about treat your tools right and they will do the same for you. But I guess if I could have $5k worth of new tools given to me, I could make up excuses too.
After watching your video i feel like I did a weeks worth of work. This is your schick but your wineing about almost everything t ell me just this your still a novice at wood working. Good luck as I will never watch you again , I get tier ed of all your wineing. RC
I don't have this setup that you have, but I do have a long extension on my saw table for the router. I ended up building my own mobile base that goes out to the end of the table for the vertical supports. I had the same thing that you have at this time. A couple of vertical legs. I had it that way for years and absolutely hated moving the saw because I would have go to the end of the table and lift and push it around to move it. If I didn't lift and push I would bend the legs, and one time I broke of the end of the table (was wood).
I have limited space so everything is on wheels. To make matters worse my shop is for both woodworking and metal working. Yeah, I'm addicted to doing both and always have lots of projects for woodworking, welding, and machining.
I finally broke down and did the upgrade although I built everything myself.
I picked up the Harvey Ambassador 14" band saw this past summer. I love it. I have their dust processor on my list. Saw stop for me for a table saw though.
Unisaw is a better saw, and a lot cheaper in price., unless you are really paranoid about cutting one of your fingers off.
@@user-dp3ky3cm4l This augment has made its rounds for ~20 years now. I am not paranoid about dying, but I have life insurance. I am not paranoid about my house burning down, but I have fire insurance. I am not paranoid about being sued, but I have liability insurance. I also require contractors who work on my house to have insurance. It is not about paranoia, but about prudence.
First, I enjoy your channel. “Full disclosure” you didn’t just fill out the information like everyone else. I have no doubt their customer service is good- successful companies have that. But, them knowing you’re doing videos etc and providing you this saw is going to bump you up on the priority list. I think disclosures should come at the beginning. Saving it until the end makes it seem you’re trying to bury something and obviously makes certain points seem misleading.
Also, thank you for relaxing on the “Your mom” “jokes”… you’re an adult.
I'm sure they'd take care of any of their customers. They're in business so they know the drill. They ship out that pallet of crap they know there's going to be issues. It's unrealistic to think otherwise.
What is the measuring tool you use to check angle from bridge city tool works
Can not remember how many table saws I progressed through during my 50+ years of woodworking starting with a 9" Craftsman direct drive in the early 1970s. Got to a Powermatic 66 in 1985 and used it until September of 2014 when I got a SawStop 10-Inch Professional Cabinet Saw, 3-HP, 52-Inch Professional TGlide Fence System. I was very nervous about selling the Powermatic 66 and then getting the SawStop because to me the Powermatic was to me then the "Gold" standard up to that point. But I was very impressed with the fit and finish with the SawStop and most impressed with the advancement in "dust collection" from the Powermatic to the SawStop. Obviously I purchased the SawStop because of the safety system, but was pleasantly surprised with the quality of the saw and have never regretted the upgrade. Really, really thought your idea on how to attach the JessEm Clear-Cut stock guides with the magnets! Great idea, which I had thought of that.
PM 66 still probably the greatest saw every made for its time period. Sawstop is a nice upgrade for sure
@@Aaron-nj4ou For its time, for sure.
I actually need the mobile base because my workshop is the garage where we do park our vehicles. I like your painters tape idea for leveling the table top.
Looks like a nice saw, frankly too nice for what I do with them. That said, like you, I'm in a very small shop but with one big advantage, mine is powered with a generator so I have access to the breaker. Keep the good stuff coming.
Nice table saw, I do have a 1 car garage (12x20) and I have so much crap I had to sale my Jet table saw and get a dewalt. I do have things that aren't related to woodworking like 3 welders plus a lot of knife making tools which I had to quit making because was killing my back and neck. When my son gets married and moves out I'm giving to him all the welders and the magnet drill press, that would give me a lot of space.
i love what i've seen from the Harvey table saws. hoping to upgrade eventually from this Dewalt 7491...
Same here, I think the Harvey is my dream saw right now. This really highlights, for me, why I want one.
I also live in an apartment and I rented two garages like yours, but of course they are not next to each other. I run a Hobart 140 welder, a radial arm saw a bandsaw, drill press, and everything is 110. I have a mini fridge and all my hand tools and I also have no access to the breaker box.
And the one thing I’ve noticed is I also do not pay for the electricity because it has never affected my electric bill and when I first moved in, I had no garages everything was in my storage units. So, while I am constantly unplugging machines not to pop a breaker that I have no access to, I very much love that I don’t pay for the electricity.
Wow, I'm impressed. This is a beautiful and versatile small shop saw.
Having watched your channel, I too have the same problem, now I am retired and have sold my business I don't have the luxury of using a large wood-manufacturing shop, however as I still love to work in wood I have built a small shop in my 20' x 10' garage so I understand that working in a small shop is a pain, especially deciding what tools to get. I have a large fixed Elektra Beckum Table saw with sliding bed which I think Im going to change for something smaller and countless other tools all on wheels so I can move around !! again never enough space and I should make this a priority. Now my point is you have a new saw which is a great fit but why don't they manufacture a cast end plate with wheels to fit under your router end in stead of the legs ? Im sure it would be a quick fix and make moving your table saw easier. Keep up the great videos, Martin ( UK )
I got a Harvey Alpha a few months back, my biggest complaint with it is when using a molding head or cutting a dado the chips plug up the extraction port, and I’ve got a good size dust collection. Other than that I like the saw.
I also bought and starting using the delta TS. I had all the same problems you did. Finally after minimal use the motor froze up on it. I ended up putting it on the curb with a free sign on it.
Ooooof
I gather that it wasn't the latest Unisaw
I just bought the same saw its on the way here. Can you tell me the measurment of the wood you made for the roller base. Ty
Love the video, love the struggle with the parts, love you not knowing what a 20A outlet looks like. Hope you don't blow any breakers with your new 20A saw on a 15A circuit.
Single phase induction motors draw a lot of current when they start. They draw considerably less running. A lot of breakers are designed to handle motor start up. It's something that's well known among electrical engineers.
@@1pcfred yes and that's also taken into account when choosing a plug type. If they threw a 20A plug on it, it quite probably can draw more than 12A continuous.
@@MichaelBabcock it might rabbit. But what if it did? Look if it draws more than 15A for too long it's going to trip the breaker. Problem solved. Until then just use the tool. If we all waited until everything was perfect before we did anything none of us would ever do anything. Sometimes you just have to make do with what you've got.
@@1pcfred you know what's cool? reading peoples' messages and understanding them. What did I say in my first message you replied to? "Hope you don't blow any breakers." Guess why I said it? Because he doesn't have access to his breaker panel -- he says so a lot in his videos. Try less ranting more listening.