STRAIGHT BACK DOWN! Luton, Burnley & Sheff Utd RELEGATED
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- čas přidán 12. 05. 2024
- It's as good as confirmed now that Sheffield United, Burnley and Luton Town will be returning to the EFL Championship next season. Here's my take on the three teams, how they'll do next season AND how worrying it is for all three promoted teams to drop at the first attempt.
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put it this way. forest spent 300m broke ffp and survived just. thats how difficult it is
Brentford had a plan in place and have so far survived three seasons. So it is possible even without spending busloads of money. Brighton too, and further back in time Swansea stayed up until they abandoned their style of play.
They spent money but they signed horrible players, with a horrible project. Their relegation isn’t far away
@@manubrezinaGo on then, we’ll buy Sara and Rowe off you, too.
@@andrewlawrence3268Cheated? Yeh, Cheated a rotten system where the end of the financial window in the middle of the transfer window. We had a choice of selling Johnson in the middle of the window for £30m to comply or £47m at the end for more profit. Thats the reality of BS FFP.
@@Elcrisso1 but them, you’ll get relegated anyways
As a Forest fan I feel sorry for the three that went down and the clubs trying to get promoted (except the parachute clubs!). Money has ruined the game and created a near closed shop. The gap will only get bigger with the new financial rules coming in. In many ways I miss the Champ, no VAR, a closer league and probably a more enjoyable overall package as a fan.
The top 6 in PL has essentially bee a closed shop, if Leicester, Ipswich and whoever else goes up all get relegated next season, then you can start having the conversation about the fact the the whole of the PL is a closed shop.
Leicester villa Newcastle west ham Brighton have all broke into the top 6👍
@@callumlomax456 I'm talking about this season and potentially next, it's clearly getting harder and harder for clubs to stay up, hopefully the 3 make some inroads, but my argument is if they don't then conversations about a closed shop will be had
Yep. I'm a bit of a nerd so I did a little analysis of the 'churn' in top six (and top four) teams since the top flight started and the drop off when the PL started (with Sky's money) ie quite stark.
Aston Villa are an example of a club that are recently promoted after a relegation that have got themselves into the top 6. Compare the top six clubs in 2024, 2014, 2004, 1994, 1984, 1974, 1964. How many different clubs made are were any ever present?
@@callumlomax456 Which is great but needs to happen each season rather than being a flash in the pan if the PL is to be inclusive for more clubs.
Forests argument about how they were hamstrung by FFP limits competing against clubs with established PL/Parachute payment squads seems rather prescient
I know everyone is fighting for the Prem and all its money but I personally prefer the Championship as a sporting spectacle. It’s exceptionally competitive with some really good players. Anyone can beat anyone and there is a real mix of grounds to visit. As a Wednesday fan I’m certain if we ever did fluke our way to the Prem (which we won’t in my lifetime) I’m sure we’d do one season and then be back down. The problem of cliff edges is only an issue to those with no power to change things so won’t be going away any time soon!
Mate - I agree completely- as a Forest fan I hate the circus that is the Prem. The only issue is that, although I preferred the Championship, the point of winning matches in the Champ is to get promoted. Where does that leave you as a fan? Pray for 7th each season? Football is broken and the greed of the top 6 teams is the cause.
We weren't given a prayer at the start of the season, but we gave it a good go. We haven't spanked millions on it, which will keep us going for decades. Losing 12 players through injury was the reason we didn't survive, along with poor defending that has to be addressed going forward. I think we gave away at least 10 points from positive results, mainly in the final few minutes. We will re ruit well again, I'm sure, and there will probably be some players hoping to be snapped up to stay in the prem. Maybe adeybayo, barkley, osho, and doherty, which can only be a good thing if they want to leave. We certainly got there ahead of schedule, but now we go again, with a better understanding of what is needed and the money to invest. The Premier League is a place full of lifeless bowls and corporate supporters. It's sad to go down, but I won't miss it. We are little old Luton Town. The team that got from non-league to Premier League in 9 seasons. Our fan base knows who we are. We are amazing. COYH
I was going to say the same thing. Luton were blighted by long-term injuries. I think if those woes never struck, ya'll would have been on track to stay up. Couple draws become wins and a few losses become draws at the very least.
@joshuakleinberg4855 We have ourselves to blame, too. Conseeding against Villa in the 89 min cost us a point. The same is true with Liverpool in the 95th cost us 2 pts. Tottenham in the 86th. Arsenal cost us a point in the 97th. Being 3 nil up at half time and losing to Bournemouth. 4-2 up at Newcastle and drawing. We need to improve our defence if we ever get back. Poor defending has cost us.
@@nicktomlin9137 Shows how devastating the loss of Captain Tom Lockyer has been. With him in the side its possible we could have retained at least three of those late dropped points if not more.
I was at White Hart Lane on Saturday, impressive stadium - but soulless. Looking forward to Millwall vs Luton next year 🦁
You could spend some of the money on the new stadium,hopefully what you’ve got from the Premiership should secure your future as at least a mid-table/top 10 Championship club
Preston and Bristol City, guaranteed Mid table for the next 25 years. lol
Very good summary, Ben. I also liked the format with the square screen and the graphic down the side. No idea how much effort that is, but it looks really good. Full width screens are always awkward when there's just one of you.
The fact that Forest could survive with 29 points shows how poor the bottom three have been
Ik in the championship we played 6 more games and 51 points was safety
@@RustyRocks87 8 more games
@@saganspirit oh ye but it was still much harder
Well just think how much money you need to compete in this corrupt shite league
33 and whatever they get Sunday...34 is the record
Proud of my team (luton town) gave a good go with Limited funds, pure heart from our players! Proper club, not like some of these premier league teams! Glad to be out of that boring money pumped league! COYH 🎩 🧡
5 subs is an absolute killer. Its another half an outfield team of world class players for the rich teams to bring on. They should have made it so 2 of the 5 have to be home grown U21s.
I have a bad feeling that the same thing could happen next season. Ipswich and whoever wins the Play-Offs will find it really difficult next season (as I don’t think they’re strong enough for the PL) and Leicester are getting a points deduction. The only team I could see potentially taking the place of one of those three are Forest!! It’s sad how big the gulf between the two leagues are getting!!! Hopefully, this season will be a kick in the shin to the Premier League to reassess their distribution of money!!!
Luton and Burnley, given their size, are always faves to go down in either EPL yrs 1 or 2. Sheffield Utd potentially a much bigger club, couldn't compete due to their finances. No surprises as you'd also apply the same criteria for Swindon in the 90s, Blackpool et al.
The way they are run, I would be worried about Sheffield Utd. Heckingbottom over achieved getting them up with their financial situation last season. They had no hope of staying up & was probably the most negative promotion I've ever seen.
I'm still unsure of where a Dyche-less Burnley's place in the world is. I think he worked miracles keeping them up there. We will see with the new owners. They are certainly in love with Kompany; reportably ahead of schedule & they may have been promoted too early. Kompany himself may have been a bit naive in how he played in the league or he may be advertising himself to potential employers.
Luton tried the best. That 4.3 loss to Bournemouth was a real killer. Ultimately their rookie squad & young manager realistically had too much to do. Again I'm not sure were I put luton's place in the world long term but being around promotion is amazing.
Everton and Forest got away with financial cheating. They spent more than they were allowed, and avoided the yo-yoing nature that these clubs are going to have to go through. Feel sorry for Luton and Burnley fans.
Sheffield United was completely off the boil, they were never staying up. Burnley didn’t pay it enough respect, they were their own worst enemies. Luton getting there was an achievement, which says it all, hopefully reinvest the money and try again but it would have been a major shock if they survived.
Next year Leicester have financial issues so could go back down, but have the infrastructure. Ipswich might be another Luton. Probably the best chance is a Leeds or Southampton staying up.
Just subscribed. I like your thoughts and cadence and I don’t find it boring at all. There will be some familiarity to those clubs swapping places and hopefully lessons learned will make the next season more competitive. Go Ipswich.
It shows how tough the Prem is now. Seven years back, Hudds had a respectable first season but the recruitment wasn't good enough the second.
What really hurt Burnley in my opinion was the fact they couldn't keep Nathan Tella and Ian Maatsen, arguably their two best players from the season when they won the Championship, it's hard to replace your best players like that, and who they brought didn't work.
we didn't want to pay for Tella; Maatsen didn't want to come back to us anymore, also the biggest mistake was not sticking with Muric...also a few other transfers were flops, Trafford was a massive flop, decision to play him in goal for most of the season relegated us.
Looking forward to enjoying your videos next season. COYH
Im a blade, we were f**kin shite.
No debt, only having to sell if we have to, new ground at some stage and solid stable owners.. Oh and we now have posh coffee..... living the dream mate, hope you have as good a time next year with Ipswich.
I've taken a look at how the freshly-promoted teams in past seasons performed compared to this one. While one other season had all three teams getting the drop right away (1997-98), even if Luton Town wins their remaining match they'd still have less points than that year's last place team (Crystal Palace with 33, and yes, the 20-team format was established for a while at that time). That is a sad display in what should be the most interesting aspect of any Premier League season (the relegation race).
As far as Luton are concerned we were doing great until an horrific injury crisis
They did brilliantly with peanuts
Professional Football is broken: it is just that we all so accustomed to the grotesque inequality and the absolute power that a handful of interested parties wield, we sort of accept it. It's a bit like living with an illness for so long that you forget it is an illness and just treat it as normal.
Great post, they introduce things so slowly that people don't notice and just accept it. And before people know it a Superleague will be formed with little resistance. If more Americans get involved in the Premier League they will try and scrap relegation as well.
@@adriandenton6637 Yep totally agree. They will get a super-league (or equivalent).Just because the first attempt backfired, we shouldn't imagine that the super rich clubs and their oil rich overlords won't find another way of making it happen. American franchise approach with zero jeopardy and the funding via TV and Saudi sportswashing.
Burnley and Forest's points are vastly inflated by the six that we (the Blades) gave them both. If any semi competent run club had been promoted in our place, Burnley and Forest would be long gone.
You gave most clubs six. What all you Forest haters don't seem to understand in any way is that Forest can beat anyone on their day and many in bottom half cannot. So whoever comes up and is semi competent (like you said) Forest can beat them. Not that I think any club left in Championship would have been any better, who have you got in mind.
But who did Forest beat last year. In order. Sheff Utd, Chelsea, Aston Villa, Newcastle, Man Utd, West Ham, Fulham, Sheff Utd again. So apart from Sheff Utd, we have them beating (in the premier league as it is now)the 4th place, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th ,14th. So that doesn't spell trouble for them next year if same team.
In terms of the top 4 teams as they are now, let us look at results. Arsenal 1-2 and 1-2, Man City 0-2 and 0-2, Liverpool 0-3 and 0-1 (last minute winner), Aston Villa 2-0 to Forest and 2-4 . So the record shows that only Liverpool won by more than 2 goals. So who has a better record from bottom of half of Premier league against the best teams. You tell me. No it is against the lesser teams there is an issue, Sheff Utd aside. Forest do need to sort that.
As a Leeds fan I can understand why some think it is better to stay in Champ as it is a better place to have good games and fun. Not my view and I fear for our future if we do not go up this year.
to their credit leeds fans have cottoned-on pretty quick to it being a necessary evil to get promoted every few seasons in order to survive in the medium term
i'm a norwich fan and despite all our promotions this is only our third play-off experience, with both the others going to the final, so you'd think we'd collectively be more excited than we currently are, but as you've found out for yourselves, it's hard to get motivated when you know what lies ahead
best of luck to which ever of us 'wins' tonight...
One interesting bit missed, that I noted at the very start of the season and it happened - this was by far the best recent season for any PL team to have their points deducted with the least danger from it.
Now to two solutions in one: Top 4 levels of English football should be converted to top 5 levels by shrinking current 4 leagues (and adding one) into PL, PL2, Championship, L1 and L2. By additional relegations, leaving promotions alone so that PL, PL2 and Championship reduce to 18 clubs and L1&L2 to 19 clubs. First benefit is reduction in the game load per season to the rational level. Second benefit would be tighter groupings of teams by performance and finances. I name new tier PL2 because I would leave that level under PL control and financing hence, providing a missing step-down over a whole league step in both matters. Would diffuse "parachutes" both by amounts and need.
Good idea and maybe regionalise the lower 2 leagues into North & South, but still let these clubs go nationwide in the cups?
All the TV money would go to the top tier as it does now.
@@garethbuckeridge6910 they only need to regionalise below National League (level 5), so if they can manage nationwide at level 5, why couldn't levels 3 & 4? (or NL @ 6, L1&L2 @ 4 & 5 given the restructuring above to include PL2)
Been a Blade since 1970 but this season has seen something different than in any year before.
I accept our ownership and transfer policy has been dire, but that just helps cover a deeper, more worrying, issue.
Why support an EFL club when the prize for success is promotion to a league that was established to ensure that the majority of funds go to the "celebrity clubs" that promote the PL brand globally? In practice that means that the Big Six are ridiculously over wealthy and "buy" the results in the transfer window with the owners billions. It's simply not a fair contest between reasonably matched sides and promoted sides are just fodder for the Big Six to beat on TV in SE Asia.
The heritage and history of EFL clubs means nothing to the PL and "proper fans" are just window dressing to the real market of lucrative TV rights overseas.
The game is utterly broken as a fair, competitive sport. I'll always love Sheff Utd, but I'll not be wasting any more of my time or money on the rigged version of football we have in England.
Generally I’d expect whoever goes up to come down again pretty early.
The exception tends to be the clubs that have a very good recruitment system and the ability to sell for good profits.
Sheff Utd appeared to fall at the first hurdle, but Burnley and Luton put up a good showing of the way they wanted to play. Maybe in Burnleys case, with a few alterations in style, they could have stayed up.
It would be a real gamble to try and bounce up and down to improve your finances because that can lead to disaster!
Luton did have quite a few unlucky matches in the season tbf
Good luck to Ipswich,Leicester and whoever joins them,but it's been a disaster for United..we went in weeker than the team that got promoted..Luton have given it a good go,but it's all about having the quality and finances these days.
Wednesday fan here, my opinion, for what it's worth. Of the three coming down, Burnley go straight back up. Assuming the Championship play off final is between Leeds and Southampton, the loser will take the second automatic promotion spot. I think Sheff Utd will just scrape into the play offs and Luton will just miss out on the play offs, in a similar fashion to Hull and Coventry this season.
I think Leicester or Ipswich will stay up, can't see both of them staying up though, I think Leicester just about scrape it with Ipswich finishing in 18th. Depending on who wins the play offs, I can see Leeds staying up, any of the other 3 will come back down. In that scenario I think Forest join them. I have a feeling Brentford could well be in the relegation mix as well.
I hope the same thing doesn’t happen next season!!!
I wish you the very best next season, but fear the worst. PL is broken. Leeds fan here 😁
? Leeds can give their parachute payments, the ones that they were going to spend on players, to struggling lower league clubs and their charities then. Most football fans are hypocritical.
@@adriandenton6637 Stupid comment.
Thing is I haven't seen anything from Norwich Leeds and Southampton that shows their better than Sheffield United...
I think the predictions for next season are predictable.
Interesting that you left West Brom off that list... Regardless, if any of the playoff teams go up WITHOUT selling off their best players and having to rebuild a new team on the fly then they'll be better than Sheff Utd.
It's only happened once before (the 3 that went up going straight back down) but it's clear that this has been the worst promoted trio in PL history - lowest combined points total between promoted sides. Luton come out of it with some credit as they've had a real go and seem more equipped for next year. United folded from the beginning and have been one of the worst PL teams we've seen. Burnley have tried but ultimately not been good enough.
Out of the teams getting promoted I would imagine Leicester will be the best equipped to not come straight back down. I hope Ipswich have a good season also.
Will make nest season interesting in the Championship, with these three plus Leeds, Southampton and WBA
What can be done though Ben? My personal opinion is that there should be a cap on how much any one team can spend on transfers in a given season.
And what would that cap be and how would newly promoted teams improve their squads enough to survive?
@@leeedsonetwo The cap wouldn't affect newly promoted sides. The top sides are spending hundreds of millions, no newly promoted side is going to be spending anything like that. The whole point would be to stop the mega rich clubs buying players at will, at vastly over inflated prices.
Good summary Ben. I think it’s more likely in future that the same 6 teams keep replacing each other in the Prem/Champ season after season. The parachute system needs to be reviewed if this is to be avoided. And if that becomes the norm, then league football will become pretty boring. Ipswich and Luton give us all hope, but it seems to me less and less likely that this will happen in the future. Avoiding relegation from the Champ may become more exciting than any promotion race!
Leeds won the league after 16 seasons out of the top flight
Forest got promoted via the play-offs after 23 seasons
as you mention, Ipswich got promoted after 22 seasons
& Luton via play-offs after 31
Brighton after 34 & will have their 8th prem year on the trot next season
Brentford after 74 (seventy-four!) & will have their 3rd prem year on the trot next season
Bournemouth might've had a bit of yo-yoing recently but when they won the champ in 14/15 that was their first promotion to the top flight and they managed 5 prem seasons on the trot
Sheffield Utd had 12 seasons out prior to their recent yo-yoing
Even Wolves who've been blow hot, blow cold, had 6 seasons out including a drop to L1 prior to their current run, which will be 7 on the trot next season
There's probably further examples if I kept digging, but all of those listed had long spells out and yet still got promoted without parachutes, so it's not impossible as is suggested by some.
People moan about teams like my own, Norwich, but even we've got promoted without parachutes during the para era:
our double in 09/10 & 10/11 & in the season after they'd run out we won the league in 18/19; if we don't win the play-offs this season then we'll have to manage our next promotion without parachutes too.
Well done united, 101 conceded and counting 🙌
And this explains in prt why the Wrexham story is magic
Parachute payments not the issue, the distribution of EFL funds is.
No way in the world would the EFL funds cover the players wages. Parachute payments are an issue for teams that won't get promoted.
Ben
How do parachute payments work for teams that go up and down. Thanks for the info from America. Trying to learn. I have been looking at football history and I could not believe how many times Manchester City , Leicester City, and other teams went up and down way back in the league history….Football history is so interesting.
search wiki for:
"Premier League parachute and solidarity payments"
Luton will not spend big on players. Will carry on trying to develop lower leagues signings.
Comparing with Preston and Bristol is fair but, because of the years in the conference, have not leap-flogged above them in financial terms. The planned new stadium is required to make Luton even a long term Championship team.
Forest actually only had 2 points off (2 suspended) so weren't actually that far away despite spending £300m. Also there's been a weird phenomenon that managerial changes actually worked in the PL near the bottom (Crystal Palace, Forest) to drag them away from relegation scraps etc. My side Burnley, I expect to do well again but all depends on which players are kept from this relegated side
? Its 4 deducted, none suspended
Where do you get this from, do keep up. Forest appealed to get that scenario, panel said no. And actually Forest have 33 before deduction. Which is 7 points clear . So if beat Burnley last game (let's face it most teams have) then have 36. Not so far away from surviving most years. 38 last year but that was on back of great run inc beating Arsenal.
Spent £300M , did they in what year. Again this is wrong. I looked at transfer market and this is in Euros and they say 131m (£112.73M). But say market value of all players is 261.68M (£225.08M). Explained by a free for Aina and a few loans which cost nothing bar the wage bill presumably and also some of these players were loaned out to other clubs. That's why the higher market valuation. but players sold were worth 82m (£70M). So a net loss of £42.7m on transfers. I counted some 15 players out on loan to other clubs, if sold that could add up to a handy amount for 2024/5.
The total market value is 369M Euros but that consists of existing players as well before 2023/24 transfers.
Luton aren’t relegated yet. Just have to beat Fulham 12-0 . Shouldn’t be too hard. Fulham are on the beach 🏖️ already
Not quite 12-0 as also Forest have to lose. That is not a given is it? But if they did only 11-0 or 10-0. Unless Burnley hammer 5 past Forest. Only time that has happened all year is against Fulham. In fact only game apart from Fulham that they lost by more than 2 goals is Liverpool away.
But maybe Luton think they should attack. If they did, likely would lose.
Im glad to be back Mr Bloom, Premier League is kinda sucky.
It used to be 40 points in order to stay up. Just shows how far the gap between the Prem and Champ is now. Blues fan and we went down I think with 41 in 2011/12 on goal difference? Be interesting to see what it has took to stay up year in year out since then.
@@liampw20 the last time all 3 promoted teams went down, Bolton went down with 40 points in 1998
blues as in birmingham? 39 in 2010/11 a point behind wolves so not on gd either - blackpool below you also on 39 2 goals worse off, so thats maybe where you're misremembering the gd bit from
I think Forest have almost set a mould for how to give it the best go without a parachute payment squad. Luton stuck to the rules and have succumbed, Sheff United had payments but didn’t have a good enough squad and succumbed. I hope Ipswich can find a way to be competitive without mega payments but the system is so set up to feed the biggest mouths, maybe breaking the rules is the most sensible risk to take to get a viable squad.
Could be a case of clubs abandoning the playing style that got them there in the first place and adopting some sort of screwed up hybrid style for which they are ill suited, almost guaranteeing them a trip back down Championship lane ??
It's possible for a promoted team to stay up. Look at Brighton. In their first season in the PL with Chris Hughton as manager they played a very defensive style (now there's a surprise) but once the club had got its feet under the table Graham Potter replaced Hughton. When it comes to signing players, the trick is to spend wisely.
It would be nice if Ipswich sign Berge or Barkley !!
No chance on Berge unless they are willing to splash out 30m
how do you think i feel being a sunderland supporter with fulham bournemouth brighton surviving in the premiership and sunderland stuck in the championship with 42,000 supporters at every home game and in the shadow of newcastle united.
If you take the average points for the three relegated teams it must be one of the lowest ever. Even Luton who were the best of a bad bunch would have been doomed a while ago without points deductions elsewhere. The simple fact is that without breaching PSR rules staying up is getting harder year on year. My team seemed to do a Norwich and write off a season to try to sort out the club finances (well hopefully at least). There’s really no incentive for the top PL teams to level up the field. They just need three more sacrificial lambs to come up each year and they really don’t care who they are (sorry my Wednesday friends not even a “massive” team like you 😂). I really hope Ipswich make a good fist of it but I’m afraid that increasingly year on year the journey is way better than the destination.
Burnley we’re their own worst enemies this season. Vincent Kompany totally dismantled the team that walked the championship last season and replaced them with players who were “ for the future “. Kompany was too stubborn to change things up, sticking with Trafford in goal when it was so obvious he wasn’t good enough. As soon as Muric came back in we looked so much better. Not buying Nathan Tella was madness, look at him now. Ian Maatsen didn’t want to come back and wanted to stay at Chelsea, and look at him now. It has been such a waste of a season.
Usually at least one promoted team survives, so I think it's just a bit of a coincidence this time. Burnley should be well-equipped to have another go. Luton probably too. I'm not so sure about Sheffield United. I think they'll need at least one season in The Championship to start from scratch and compete at the very top of the table again.
Mind you, if Ipswich avoid breaking up the squad and get in too many players, I think they'll survive next season. Leicester too if they don't get hit by a points deduction.
We are on the cusp on a locked top tier. Sure we've seen Ipswich and Luton go up, but eventually the PL is going to make the gap so wide a sneaky promotion to the PL will be a freak occurrence once every 10-20 years.
One solution a strict transfer cap all round,, and get rid of dirty foreign money coming in.
Sheffield United are skint. We've had to use some of the parachute payments to buy land for a new training ground, and we've had to buy back land attached to Bramall Lane, along with invest in the Copthorne Hotel to get it back open. We need to sell at least one player to balance the books, so the only money we'll get to spend is from further player sales. The only sellable assets we have are Arblaster and Hamer, who we want to keep, but we may have to sell Hamer in order to raise funds to buy players. United won't even make the play offs next season. Wilder isn't the same manager. He's a stubborn busted flush. We are such a poorly run club. Three seasons out of five in the Premier League and only we can end up skint and broke with a poor squad of players worth nothing on the whole. An absolute shambles of a club on and off the pitch. The sooner we find a buyer and the Prince sods off the better.
Be the same story next season... Be worth sticking £50 on the three promoted teams coming straight back down.
There is a huge gap in quality between the championship and premier league snd its gona get worse.
They should have premier div 1 and premier div 2, top 10 in div 1 bottom 10 in div 2 then the 3 from the championship would play teams in the bottom 10 so it would give them a better chance of avoiding getting hammered every week, if you win Premier div 2 you then get promoted to Premier div 1 the team that finishes bottom of div 1 gets relegated to div 2, bottom 3 in Premier div 2 gets relegated to the championship, it's an idea
that would also free-up the fixture list for more lucrative european games for the big boys, so i'm sure they'd agree to it!!
in a div of just 10 you'd probably have just 2 going down to champ rather than 3, maybe even just 1 up 1 down at both ends, scrapping the play-offs that some people moan about in the process and making winning the champ the real & only prize - no trophy & bus parade for 2nd placers!!! (snark intended)
i suppose in the prem div 2 as there'd be no european games but only 9 oppo, they'd do it like the scots and play twice home & away, otherwise that's a huge shock to yo-yo from that & the champ, with 46 then 18 game seasons alternating!
The only way around this (if you want it a perfect sporting league) is to give every club the same salary budget. With the only advantage the bigger clubs have is to spend money on facilities and academies. That’s not going to happen. And really it’s always been this way. Arsenal in the 1930s outspent their contemporaries to establish themselves. I think the bigger story are the clubs that get to the Premier League and within a few years end up stuck in League 1 (or like Swindon and Bradford. League 2). You cant see that happening to Chelsea or Everton.
Decision not to buy Tella and buying Trafford and sticking him in goal relegated Burnley also Kompany basically ripped apart the team that got us up and played too many newbies...we will bounce back next season.
Unfortunately like Huddersfield Luton will take the same course maybe not next season but the season after, I keep hoping Bournemouth take the same course😀
Let’s not forget the season before, all 3 newly promoted sides avoided relegation. Obviously this season has been far more disappointing but I truly believe at least one of the promoted teams next season will survive
wilder wants 10 new players - going to be a totally different team, wrecking ball comes to mind.
As you mentioned, last season all 3 promoted teams stayed up, so that has to be considered this year when all 3 promoted teams were relegated.
Each of the relegated teams have their reasons for not staying up unrelated to the money gap.
Sheffield Utd. were in a mess off the field in the Championship and it was miraculous that they got promoted. They were never set up to stay up. Burnley have a talented, but niave manager who had no or very little Premier League coaching experience who wasn't able to adapt the team to grind out results. Luton were a typical playoff winning club, not quite as good as the two automatically promoted teams and with a couple of weeks less to prepare, added to that they had a huge amount of infrastructure work to sort out for their first ever Premier League season and they are also a relatuvely small club with small potentional revenue.
The teams replacing them being Leicester, Ipswich, and most likely Leeds are much stronger in terms of quality of squads, quality of manager, and preparedness for the Premier League and general running of the club. Maresca has never managed in the Premier League, but has coached in the Premier League. The fanbase aren't totally behind the team so it might get tough when the chips are down. Farke has experience of only relegation from the Premier League and Leeds fell apart at the end of the season. Leicester and Leeds both have problems related to why they got relegated in the first place so they could sink or swim. Ipswich are the wildcard, but they have the best up and coming manager in the country and have built up the club off the pitch and will be ready for the Premier League. Recruitment wise, Ipswich have a tougher job as they are a recent League One club as opposed to the recent Premier League clubs.
All three clubs could stay up or go down partly based on how badly other teams are run or their bad luck, but money will only be one of the factors involved.
Recently Marcelo Bielsa had a proposal for the pyramid, it was to reduce the salaries of the players in the Premier League, this us by far the biggest expense to the clubs. Essentially you close the salary gap between the Premier and Championship Leagues
People will just have a tantrum over this and accuse him of wanting to ruin the product and accuse him of being a communist.
Should give payment when they go up and scrap the payment going down
The lowest points tally for a team to stay up previously was West Brom in 04/05 with 34 points
Forest have broken it this year (albeit with a points deduction). Although if they lose to Burnley on the final day they would have broken it even without the points deduction.
Interesting fact.
If Burnley had Luton's attitude they'd have stayed up.
it's not a pyramid, it's a ziggurat.
I sort of understand ffp but if an owner wants to put their own money in at no risk to the club why not
Nxt szn i don't think same thing will happen , I reckon Bournemouth, Brentford, Fulham and Nottingham will be in the Relegation battle
Leicester and Ipswich will survive
Leicester are crap, no chance for them. Ipswich will have to heavily invest.
I think Leicester and Forest are going to be in the bottom 3 for a good portion of the first half of the season. Too many off the field issues with FFP and points deductions
Think I heard it’s the first time in over 20 years all three have gone down, But I think as Leicester shown, if you aren’t in the top 7 sides, you are one bad season away from going down
Can see the three who are coming up going back down again especially if Leicester get hit with FFP.
All Crystal Palace and Brentford Supporters will not be complaining.
Luton won't waste their megre resources... Slow start but some favourites will leave. Can we keep Elijah, Barkley & chong?
Every team in the prem are in debt what is the point its not real
I have to mention injuries it’s no excuse it actually happened
Do people have that short memories? Last season all 3 promoted teams stayed up.
£95 Million that is a lot and in the past that would keep you safe in the Premier League.
Last year all 3 teams stayed up. These came down cause they were woeful at recruitment.
Even gifted points deductions and still couldnt hack it. Embarasment to english football
Blades were down before a ball was kicked. You need luck to stay up. None of the 3 relegatees had luck with injuries or with VAR. Premier league is full of tall strong athletic sides full of skill making it a difficult step up. The answer I think is to follow the Forest Model, recruit 20 players (out of necessity due to loans) and break spending rules, Forest survived and thanks to 3 poor sides and (in the end) a fairly derisory 4 points survived quite easily. Neither Forest not Everton deserved to be relegated, even though "rules" were broken, but those rules had been broken by others without penalty so who can say what is right or wrong. Blades recruitment was poor, late and totally inadequate only marginally poorer than Burnley. Luton did well. Luton and Burnley will challenge next year but at this moment t I fear we will be ordinary with promising youngsters who we will struggle to keep. Some of your other respondents he e already alluded to closed shops, and as things are there are no reasons why those at the top should weaken their hold on the tv money. At least chesterfield did well . Enjoy your time in the sun Ben and the Tractor Boys
What happens if/when Forests luck runs out?
Its gonna be like that for ages cos of ffp
If Leeds had cheated as Leicester did we would have gone up and no punishment.
Luton only won 6 games all season, despite plenty of heart, just not good enough, and still pretty much the team that one league 1.
Premier league gets more boring every year .
Only thing worth looking forward to is the Man City 'investigation' results.
@@adriandenton6637 though i wouldn't hold your breath on waiting for a) all the charges to finally be heard or b) a satisfactory ruling and/or punishment...
As boring as the F1. No wonder people are enjoying the Wrexham story.
Should stop parachute payments for teams who get relegated from premiership as its not fair to other teams in the championship I know Ipswich went up which was a massive achievement but it will near enough always be the same teams going up every season which is not fair
That would mean every team that goes up would come straight back down as they cant risk spending any money when they go up. If they did theyd go bust if they got relegated
Wouldnt that make relegation an absolute death sentence?
Stopping parachute payments will make premier league a closed shop.
Parachute Payments and they will go back up
Luton lost 8 points total from Burnley& Sheffield united this season in the Premier league if they just beat them they would be staying up so its just not beating prem teams they have lost alot of points from teams that just went up so not really a gap in the premier league teams can be all to blame?
Agreed. Just what I was thinking 17,000 kms away.
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Its all about Money the Premier league has become a waste of space
Great for betting before every season starts but not good for the game. As a Cov fan, we have no chance of competing with Burnley & Luton next season. Ipswich will inspire every club but back to back promotion is rare.
as a cov fan you dont need back-to-back and you only finished 9 points off the play-offs, so hardly a mountain to climb...
Im a Norwich fan..The PL is a joke. We need to sell to an Oil country..lol
the whole premier league? yep, just have done with it, let the middle east buy up the remainder of teams and have their own Arab Super League with a closed shop.
fellow city fan here; if we did take the oil money ourselves that's me done with them.
did you see the stuff about bk8 tonight btw? the unsavoury advertising was the tip of the iceberg...glad we got shot. f*ck webber's blubbing at the time.
Its not about football, its about money. And it has been for some time.
for the premier league's entire history and reason for existing in the first place, in fact.
@ManWalksDogs good point mate. Which is what blew my mind when people created so much about the proposed Super League as, to my mind, it wasn't that different to how the Premier League came about.
As a Wednesday fan, I hate to say anything good about United, but even I am in awe of their record breaking season and feel the need to congratulate them.
Two and a half decades porkchop. 😂
a four nil defeat on the final day will see them bag the worst goal difference record (currently derby's -69 on 07/08), having already topped swindon's ton-against record in 93/94 as you say...
i'm keen to see if ipswich can top their own record of 93 against in 94/95...
If it wasn't for the financial fair play it would have all been done a lot earlier. Luton are in effect 7 points off safety if Forest real points score is calculated still with a game to go. 26 points for 18th is surely the lowest in Prem history and despite the media appreciation for Luton they have been outclassed over the season. Should be a competitive Championship next season but if Kompany stays they will be the firm favourites to go straight back up.
luton was not out classed. drew with liverpool in fact liverpool had to equalise last dying minutes, led man city until half time, arsenal had to score last dying seconds , thrashed brighton. drew newcastle away 4-4 newcastle had to fight back, beat everton away, led loverpool to half time at anfield. luton had a lot of close games. nope not out classed, just not big enough squad because of injurys.
What sort of team would Everton and forest have now if they hadn’t cheated?
@@TerryJC1971 What is all this cheating. They(Forest) only had £61M to spend, when they get £105M they will be within it. These rules have been fabricated by the clubs to stop them going down, and take the bottom 3 down by preventing spending.
Because they were when you said they cheated. What is 61 plus 34.5, answer not 105.
Fulham got 28pts in 2020/21 for 18th
Luton could of course win their last game and end on 29, meaning Fulham keep the record, or a draw for Luton making 27pts the new record.
~33/34pts was very common across the seasons, so not a great deal more, but Fulham's up 'til this season was the only other time the highest placed relegated team ended up with pts lower than the 30s.
Until PSR rules are actually enforced and have teeth, the disparity will remain and there will be an established tier of “parachute” or “yo-yo” teams within the championship that only have a real chance at promotion akin to the “Big 6” in the Prem as only viable title winners
Why do we all forget how all 3 promoted teams stayed up last year? Now everything is broken because of a fluke season where the 3 promoted teams were just unprepared for survival?
There you go lads, you've been crap ere have a wadge of money as a reward. Utter bollocks