Big Diesel vs Small Diesel Pulling Test! BeamNG. Drive
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Small Diesel vs Big gas engine?
Big diesel.
@@ForgottenMustard yes,make video big diesel turbo or small gas turbo
Small gas vs big diesel
Small gas vs airplane. Why not?
@@ForgottenMustard we want to see big gas vs small diesel.
They can't really compare. They have the same driving gear but because the I4 reaches higher RPM, it's top speed is technically higher than the V8; therefore its gear needs to be shortened to match the top speed in 1st gear of the V8.
I was trying to figure that out too. I get the same drive ratios, as you don't get a torque advantage by gear ratios, but I think the climb needs to be longer. The second test withe the turbo V8, it climbed up at 1k/hr, whereas the i4 used momentum, and likely would've stalled out.
@@andyboy13 It climbed by slipping the clutch. In real life you wouldn’t do this. You would either stop or stall.
You float the clutch to prevent stalling, because you lose power, brakes and steering if you stall… not good on a hill.
I want to know the trans and clutch temp on these pulls. Woof they gotta be up there.
As mentioned, they should be the same, but I dont think there would be enough time for them to get too hot.
Also, the 4 cyl should have had a shorter diff ratio to complement the higher working rpm of the engine.
@Kresimir Baric No, the big one doesn't have a benefit. The revs are lower too, it's just a lower redline. That doesn't make it pull harder. If anything, the 4 cyl has an advantage, because it can reach a higher speed before it goes up.
The Vivace diesel would work really good in the Hopper, maybe even the crawler.
What about the ETK 856td's 3 liter inline 6 diesel?
Man it would be cool if you could put some car's engine into a different car
@@Jurda You can, but it requires a little bit of fiddling with ingame files
It’s insane how beam ng made there V8 diesel sound just like a 7.3 IDI
Rammmmmmmmmm tchiuuuuu rammmnmmmmmmmmmm tchiuuuuuuuu rammmmmmmmm Tchuuhuuu
even has the same RPM range
Definitely no replacement for displacement. The big engine did it more consistently at a lower rpm too. Lost less speed. The small engine revved to the moon and gave the truck more momentum off the line, but then fell flat on its face. Lost alot more speed. The big engine just has more ass than the little engine.
You can't just have the same gearbox in both engines. They have different rpm ranges of maximum performance..
@Kresimir Baric No. The big engine got the advantage. The smaller engine, although it reaches high rpm, can't provide the energy to tow a heavy trailer uphill at that speed, so it slows down. The correct thing to do now is downshift to keep the rpm high but there is no lower gear, that's what made it lose the race.
It’s a comparison of the engines not the gearbox’s
@@user-mi9tw8ex1l What if I told you that the gearbox is part of the engine? Every car made has got installed a gearbox with specific characteristics to be able to output the most of the engine to the wheels efficiently and effectively, according to people's needs.
@@PaulosKal two things, a gearbox/transmission is NOT a part of the engine. By using your argument, the doors are a part of the engine. What you’re thinking of is powertrain, which would be the engine, transmission, transfer case (if equipped), driveshaft, and the differential(s). But you also confirmed the argument that the transmission cannot be identical on two different motors for a fair comparison of just the motors.
@@SebastianWoodard Yes, you are right, I agree with you. I'm just trying to explain it in a simple way.
1st. I would love to see a 2.0L try pushing 35lbs boost.
2. Absolutely no replacement for displacement. It's America after all haha
3. In regards to pulling nothing will beat a diesel.
Easy, search for VW 1.9 PD engines , tunning is very popular in Europe with these, they do much more than 40 psi and go up to 700 hp with NOS
Is alot to be said for tuning
You’ve obviously never heard of a single tuner car my friend has a 2004 Volkswagen Golf with the 1.8t GAS engine turbo and he is currently pushing 40lbs of boost then my other friend who I met at a car meet this last summer has an Evo 8 that he ran 25 lbs of boost through it for several years on a bare bones stock motor even stock intake he then saved up to slightly build the motor all he did was put in ARP head studs and forged pistons everything else was left stock he now pushes 50 lbs of boost and makes between 750-800 horsepower my guy do your research the fastest 4cyl in the world is a Mitsubishi Eclipse with a full built 4G63 that pushes 112lbs of boost and makes 2000hp out of a 2.2 liter stroker 4g63 4cyl my guy 2.0 engines push 35lbs of boost easily on the daily🤡🤡
@@aceofspades9833 yea I guess they can but those typically are tuned and built engines so I guess I was thinking a stock engine pushing 35 boost. But also where I am from nobody really builds 4cycl. It’s diesel or nothing here lol
@@-b1ghorn087 Jesus that actually sounds depressing where do you live where it’s like that like Alaska or something and yah actually a diesel 4cyl could probably easily hit 35psi because of the way diesels are built and run they are built really strong from factory and don’t have much complicated stuff like ignition timing referring to spark plugs
why was this tests unfair?because the big engine had its max power t 3k rpm where it reached around 13kmh and the small engine had its max power at 5krpm where it was going faster than 13kmh because u used the same gear ratio on both cars. to make it fair you have to tune the gears so that both cars reach the same speed at their max power
Absolutely spot on
Chill bro it's just a test if u want to make it fair. Call me 🤙
not only that the blue one is rev banging and it's pushing 30 psi in 1st
The i4 diesel sounds almost like a 2 stroke detroit 453t
Bruh it probably has 10 times bigger displacement
@@Your_nearest_toyota_dealer 4-53 Detroit is a 3.5L I4 its almost 2 times larger.
@@TheRathead80 sry, didnt really notice the "453t", and when you hear detroit diesel you think about a heavy duty trucks engine, also i just noticed that the i4 is 2.0l so it would be about 7-8 times larger if so
Coloca o pente na caminhonete kkkkkk
"How many lbs this little 4 cylinder gal pushing?"
"40"😂😂
You do realize that there is more torque on diesels on lower rpms right? The engines are not at their highest potential when youre on the redline...
You do realize momentum plays a big part in everything as well too right?
@@jacobwebb8818 how does momentum change the fact that he is redlining diesel engines?
@@maatu_boe that changes everything...
@@maatu_boe if he didn't he would not have climbed the hill. If he was spinning I would agree with you.
@@maatu_boe I suggest you look into how powerbands, transmissions, differentials and tire sizes all work. There's a reason 90% of the time when you're drag racing you go past the strongest point of your powerband and keep revving a gear out until the next one. Just because, for example, you're making 430hp out of like 460hp at 7600 RPM instead of 7000 doesn't mean that those 600 RPM are useless
Theres a reason that semis are turbo inline engines with 14+ litre displacement lol, that trans temp would be gnarly🤣
The 4-cyl is also a lot less eco friendly since with all that boost it must burn tons of fuel, i would choose the big displacement
Wow, I hope not many people share this way of thinking. Better to know thermodynamics and physics than to end up thinking this way.
No, not really. This ain't a gas engine but a diesel, in diesels you don't have to add as much extra fuel as you have to do with a gas engine when adding so much air.
@@CortyCze Oh boy, just as worse...please people first educate yourselves a bit before muttering about stuff you clearly aren't informed enough about.
A hint: stochiometric ratio
@@GERntleMAN Sure, but diesels run lean, doesn't matter if they run even leaner. So, stop being smartass youself, throwing technical words without explaining yourself.
Yeah but diesels have such a wide afr and more boost actually helps them have less EGT so more boost is almost always cleaner. More fuel means power :) without getting into a comment section lecture.
That chassis’s twist though🤤
I just love that the physics in this game are so detailed even down to this level
it's called torque twist, and anything above 350lb ft at such heavy loads seems heavy enough for a stock d35
Nothing beats a big motor! And a smaller one with the same power will not be as reliable as a big one.
That last pull on the I4 would have destroyed the frame.
Coloca o motor da F-1000 na caminhonete
4 cylinder guys: “I don’t need 6 liters of displacement to make power”
[Thousands of dollars later while using a turbo to cram 6 liters of air into a 2 liter engine]
4Cyl guys: “See, 10 more psi and I’ll almost make as much power as you for 0.3 seconds before redline”
@Stolas true
formula 1 with 1.5 liters of displacement and 850hp: what? can't hear you over my overwhelming hp/l
anyway, i'd rather have an NA engine if i can, too. but i don't fkn need 6 liters. i don't even know what americans use their pickups for that need so much... girth. why do you need to drive a locomotive everywhere?
Will say the little 4cyl had one advantage, being able to wrap up to a higher rpm with yes the same gearbox allowed it to get the extra 7 or so km/h on the run up to assist it making it up.
The MPG tells it all!
Good to know I’m not the only one having problems with that trailer pack missing the second axle wheels and the first axle not having tires that work properly. Hopefully they fix that soon so I can haul a fully loaded T series with my small 7.3L D series and a gooseneck hitch lol
Yeah I’m having the same problem
@@drewski.johnson I thought they fixed it the last time I used it was working correctly
Can you do a same horsepower test for low vs high displacement engine?
i4 1.6liter turbo 1000hp
Vs
Any high displacement (1000hp)
The only difference is going to be that the 1.6 will have the power only on high revs because of the massive turbo that it has to have to get to 1000hp
Also
Turbolag, probably not so many torque because of short piston stroke
@@Your_nearest_toyota_dealer Yeah there is only 2 ways of making horsepower, high torque or high rpm.
@@33du27 kinda, horsepower equals torque X RPM/5252, let’s say you have 1000 ft-lbs of torque at 1500 RPM, 1000 times 1500 equals 1,500,000, then you divide that number by 5252 and you get 285, that’s your hp.
Now let’s say you push 250 ft-lbs of torque at 8500, 250 times 8500 equals 2,125,000 then divide that by 5252, you get 404 hp.
Yes, you can have tremendous torque, or higher RPM, in most cases, higher redlines mean less torque, and more torque means less redlines. (please note that I said most, unless we’re talking about dragsters, this is true), the reason lower redline is capable for torque is because the length of the stroke is longer, if you have a longer stroke, you get more torque, but in most cases you will lose some high RPM range because if you stroke an engine, inertia will act more on the rod journals and too much inertia will cause damage.
@@Turbo_The_Femboy_Fox yeah everyone knows that, didnt i just say so?
@@Turbo_The_Femboy_Fox i just said there is 2 ways of making power and im correct, many small engines with turbos rev very high to get a lot of horsepower and use a turbo to generate some torque in the higher rpms.
A low revving cars usually are diesel or just very big petrol engines with long strokes and they dont need a turbo or high revs to get good amouts of horsepower
Hm. I likesuch an overloads. But more interesting for small engines is increasing gear ratios.
In real life the worst consequence is a dropping of lifetime
What?
@@HJZ75driver The droppings of a lifetime cost you so much time to get to wherever to your destination is.
Gotta get the mod that has the chevy 7.4 454, Ford 6.8 V10 and Mopar 8.0 V10 lol
Why the Chevy will just break down
Add the Ford 460 to that list, just for kicks add the ford 300.
@@GarageDoorGuy89 I have that mod. I found one that has a loads of chevy and ford engines even the classic 4.3 V6 and ford's 300 online too. Vulcan V6 for whatever thats slow revving box is worth
@@GarageDoorGuy89 Imagine a modified version of a 460... a 620.
All of a sudden you understand why tractor pulls exist.
yep tractors can make this with 180hp easy
In the real world if a manufacturer was dumb enough to put a 4cyl diesel in a 1 ton truck, it would have lower gears to compensate for having less power.
Look up the Isuzu NPR series trucks. 14,500 lb GVWR runs a 5.2 liter 4 cylinder diesel. Excellent powertrain.
@@otm646 oh I know. BUT the truck is geared for that engine. GM put the Detroit 4-53 (212 cid) in their C60 2ton trucks as far back as the 50s, BUT they were geared for it.
Back in the day they all also put 6cyl and V8 gasoline engines in 2ton and larger semi trucks....but they were geared for it. However those are not pickups. A 4cyl like a 4BT Cummins is great in a pickup as far as fuel economy is, but as far as towing and hauling, they struggle even when "turned up".
Why is this so interesting to me 🤣
If you fully upgrade the turbo on the V8 diesel, the whistle will sound amazing.
i havent subscribed to this channel, but thanks youtube for sending me a notification about it
I'm interested in the concept of a 2 litre 4 cylinder which develops only 350lb-ft with 30psi boost. Same for the V8 - a 5.3 LS with 14psi boost will give you 700lb-ft all day long, but it never went over 450lb-ft on the simulation.
if i'm not mistaken, the 2l amarok has 18 psi of boost and 310lb-ft, so yeah, 350lb-ft for 30 psi is lowballing it.
@@GraveUypo depends on other specs of the engine too
Other thing to keep in mind is the smaller one could be more expensive to build than a big engine. And the right materials/parts for this small engine could be a suprise lasting as much as a big v8. Great video
Just wanted to say that I love these videos! You are one of the people that got me so addicted to this game a few days ago and I just can’t stop playing!
I love pushing the vehicles to their limits like this to see what they are capable of. Can’t wait to try this trailer mod out!
All this talk about unfair. I'm just amazed where sim tech is now vs mid late 90s when I was into it all. This is fuckin amazing.
"No replacement for displacement."
Wankel Rotary would like to have a chat.
i love the torque twist it makes
The I4 Sounds like a 2 stroke Detroit
Is that 2.0L Diesel based off a Vivace/Tograc Diesel i4?
Yes, it's from the Vivace.
@@ForgottenMustard how are you able to swap it into that truck? I cant get that engine on my game
@@ForgottenMustard also I cant figure out how to load items onto utility trailers
@@ForgottenMustard I wish we had a inline-5 version.
Comes in with a 2 liter version (based on the 1.6 inline 4 - has 25% more power and torque) and...
the 2 1/2 liter version (based on the 2 liter inline 4 version - same description as the other, 25% more torque and power)
The N/A 2L sounds exactly like a fuckin lawnmower. 😭😂
I didn't know that naturally aspirated i4 would even go
then lets make a 6.0 liter 4 banger lol
For these tests you really need to shift up if able. So if your maxed in first shift to second to get a bigger speed built up and then downshift to 1st when you have to, that would allow more speed into the hill so you could keep momentum moving. Just a thought and I know I am a few years late to this video.
Several clutches were harmed in the making of this video
Plz make more of these we missed you
Thats why i drive my old 2.5 straight six. Here in germany thats a quite big engine compared to that what most manufacturer sell out here. Most common you have 1.2 to 1.6l engines, but in compacts you often go sub 1.0l with three cylinders... Funny when you think about it, but even my Motocycle engine is with 1157cc bigger then many compact cars have... You may have some remaining big engines, but they sadly get uncommon around here. I miss them...
So today I learned that in order to twist the chassis on a semi square body Chevy, you need 18,000 lb ft of torque going to the wheels.
Diesel power!
1.9tdi>anything
FYI, those gear ratios are way wrong for a diesel. You'd see 4:10s instead of 3:55s
6 in a row, ready to tow.
Just bought one, haven't towed with it but the 6.7 Cummins I6 is a sweet engine.
3:03 again ETK sound
What mods are you using to boost the engines to that level? Also how do they not blow?
There's a mod called twincharge everything that lets you add a turbo or supercharger and gives you an option to make an indestructible engine to keep up with the boost.
Small diesel vs Big gas next. I mean we all knew the Big diesel would win...
Please
You should see the max that the v8 diesel truck could pull before it just broke something
This is like Ranger Raptor VS Ram T-Rex😂
I don't know that I completely agree with your conclusion but I enjoyed watching your experiment.
Full disclosure though when purchasing a new vehicle recently I did choose the larger displacement N/A engine over the smaller turbocharged engine for concerns about engine longevity but I did not choose the largest displacement engine offered either. I opted for the "fleet spec" mid range engine so I guess you could say I'm on the fence.
Is there a replacement for displacement? Depending on what you doing yes... and no.
interesting haha. my 2.0 liter n47d20c makes 177 PS and 350 Nm (174 hp, 258 lbft), with almost identical rpm range at peak torque as the first successful 2.0 configuration with a single trailer. so it would be just enough to propel that truck with that transmission over the ramp :D
well, good to know haha
edit: even funnier, with maximum remap potential for my stock engine (stage 1 - about 225 hp, 350 lbft), it'd just be able to pull those two trailers as well. definitely a nice fit :D
Proves there is a replacement for displacement then his opinion denies it 😂
This is actually an interesting experiment, because the turbo engine is useless without boost, so you need bough boost to make power to maintain boost going up the hill. It can make way more peak power, but if the revs drop too low, it becomes a brick 😆 I guess what you do here is use a tiny little turbo that can make tons of boost at a very low RPM and just run a ton of boost 😆
Displacement matters.
What's the fancy software used for this? Looks interestingly geeky ❤.
It’s a game called BeamNG.Drive
Small diesel sounds like a tractors unit!! Sweet!!!!
yes....both can do the job but one of them will outlive the other
Imagina colocar o pente na turbina na caminhonete pra ele ficar piando igual a F-1000 kkkkkkkkkkkk
Ormai è chiaro a tutti che,secondo la linea di pensiero di mostarda,il quale non sopporta i motori V8,forse perché non l’ha mai provato,oppure per una sua empatia nel dna. Io ho un Hemi 5.7 stock,ho solo montato un true dual H pipe,con filtro aria KN. Si è vero,un 4L Mercedes di una classe A45,oggettivamente rende improponibile un confronto,il 4L tedesco ha una performance di alto livello,tecnologicamente evoluto,cambio robotizzato a infiniti rapporti,ma una persona che ha il motore nel sangue,anche se il V8 U.S.A.ha 100,200 hp in meno,non lo cambierebbe mai per uno sterile 4L 2.0
You actually did this pretty well!
And V8 (n/a and turbo) is pretty close to what diesel pickup numbers were back in the 90s, and as far as I’m aware thats about the level that BeamNG lets one go with diesel mods
(I do not have this game so correct me if I’m wrong)
The more modern light duty diesel V8s have common rail fuel injectors, usually around 30 psi max boost, and some other things that I don’t believe is part of Beam that push their power up to 400+ HP and some are over 1,000 ft lbs of torque
And you are very correct, pushing more boost through an engine will make them wear out faster. And getting many many miles out of a diesel is one of their biggest selling points
Well done with this video 👍
I really need to get this game lol
I will be entertained for days haha
ford 6.7 power stroke gets 500hp now
Right there is no replacement for displacement... But you were running the same gear ratio what you should have did was change the gear ratio to 3.73 or 4.10 4.56 And see if the little 4 could have done it
except there is. especially for diesels where the turbo running doesn't massively lower yourfuel efficiency. but the correct replaement would have been a 3.0-4.0 i6 turbo diesel and not a 2.0
Even if the small engine did better, the entire point of boost is to increase your displacement. By the end the 2.0 liter was probably displacing almost as much air as the 6.0 liter anyway.
also compare 4L gasoline V8 (default) vs Diesel 6.0 V8
I wonder if the truck lifting up in the front due to torque is an actual genuine physics simulation, or just mimicked with an upward lifting force programed seperate from the physics programming.
I have problems with that trailer mod pack. On the car hauler and flatbed it spawns with no rear tires and does not let me put them on in the parts selector
Same problem here. The mod hasn't been updated for the newest build it seems.
You can download the newest version in a forum.
@@Jannik22000011 where
@@Nicecardude100 BeamNG forum
Redline on that 2.0L Diesel is a bit too high especially on truck / van applications
😂 4200-4500rpm would be absolute the max!
It's funny how the game says that there is full boost on the I4 when it's stalling going up hill. You would have to build boost and keep the rpms high for the turbo to actually do something. You don't get full boost for just pressing the gas pedal 😂
you could give the 4 cyl a more agressive gearing because of higher max RPM
The i4 Diesel has the i6 engine texture
can i have the link to the 2.0 engine please
Can you make the 2L i4 to it's appropriate gear box ?
With a higher gear ratio
If you like to build several thousand horsepower towing vehicles on this game I recommend the “I am stronk” driveshaft mod for the d series. It stops the driveshaft from exploding when you have big tires and a shit load of hp
The simulation of boost is a bit silly here. It would not be pegged out at it's max with the rpms dropping to 2k or less and nearly stalling.
So both have the same transmission? That is already a major mistake making a reasonable comparison impossible. That way, the 4 cylinder has to match the exact same hp and torque rating as well as the performance curve to match the v8. This it wouldn't need, if the transmission was setup for either engine individually.
Also turbo that goes that boost probably wouldnt even spool below 2k,
Lucky duck, my game won't even let me load any of the d series trucks without the front wheels flying off or the trucks themselves just not loading at all:/
Delete your crappy mods or update the game
I love these videos dude
Where Do You Get All These Engines From.
He mods them himself
Too bad that In real life all that boost would blow the motor 😂😂
putting say a 6bt vs a 4bt or such would be sick to see
RIP Clutch
The four cylinder would’ve a much better chance with shorter gear ratios
Smart of you to use low range
I'd rather have a 1980's Mercedes M606 inline 4 diesel over a 6.0 V8 any day.
Its bad compsrsion.
Why You didnt change the rear axle ratio in 2.0 L truck? I think You see the differences betwin blue and red truck 1 gear top speed?
In the smaller engine torque is in higher rpms so you need shorten the gear ratio.
Sorry for my english.
Can you do the same, but show the difference in manual box and an auto
The autos torque converter is slipping at low rpm even though the engine still makes heaps of torque
Great vids. I’m subbed.
That v8 is a beast
I’m really pissed off the fact this guy is not shifting the gears for the red truck like how he’s supposed to 😔
Mueez that's because its 1st gear only. Durka
@@hayesfitzgerald3750 that’s dumb 😂 it’s a manual transmission it should have at least 4 gears
Theres no replacement for displacement, only stand ins, make a lil 4 banger as powerfull as a v8 and the 4 isnt going to last as long as the 8 just my opiniin from what kind of pressure the block would have to take to make the same torque/hp
My real life 2.0 turbo I4 gasoline engine is tuned to 16psi of boost which makes about 250hp and 280lb ft of torque. But that’s nothing to what some of the twin turbo or big single turbo I4s make. Mercedes A45 amg hatchback makes 420hp from the factory from a 2.0 twin turbo i4
I would've thought the boost would have been higher at higher rpm but it appears it stays high when the rpm drops before they stalled
I remember Silverado V8 use to rev to 6000
I love these videos
What you can't see are the conrods flying in the 2.0 🤣🤣🤣