Are Older Engines Tougher Than New Ones? BeamNG. Drive
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- Nitrous stress test with two V8's built 50 years apart!
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I'll be honest I've had this same question irl and I'm a mechanic with 4 cars.
1. Newer engines have less casting mistakes and are actually more reliable overall.
2. Newer engines generate more power despite being a bit more complex
3. A lot of modern engines are the exact same as they were in the 1980s-1970s. For example the Ford 302 has been around for a long time. But is now called the 5.0. Engines used to be casted and made by machinists. New engines are made by robots and precision machinery that can get things done quicker and with less mistakes. They also use newer materials, newer parts, newer applied sciences and newer techniques. The teething problems have already been filed out by a team of engineers who take problems from the 70s and strive to improve them.
4. A lot of what people call "toughness" with an engine is it's ability to survive..however people have a skewed view of it. Most engines back then were non interference and if a timing chain broke you would be okay, no smashed valves. The fan was driven on the crank. so overheating wasn't an issue unless the belt broke, the fan broke, or something catastrophic happens. However all these little things, like a distributor, the fan, the timing, the interference of the valves. It all really causes bad gas mileage despite being simple. Consumers don't want a old car that gets 9 mpg vs something that could get 25 mpg or maybe even 40 mpg. This is strictly talking V8s which for many was the V6 of its day.
Manufacturers started going interference at the small cost the timing chain may break. Which isnt common, because a customer didn't take care of their car or regular maintenance for that to happen.
They also made the fan electric, not because a crank fan isn't good. I've seen cars still use a crank fan all the way up to 2008. It was because it would allow us to run a bigger radiator, optimize the cooling so if it was super duper cold outside, you wouldn't get an engine that kept cooling itself, which isn't good to begin with. There are other reasons for it, I'm not listing them all.
Another reason, computers got better at managing a system vs a human could. Carbs had to be tuned and some would get out of tune and cause an engine to run rich or lean. As much as people like to praise them, they are just terrible to live with if you dont live in Arizona or Florida. It was much easier and more reliable to allow a computer to do the job and monitor simultaneously that way the customer wouldn't fudge up their car either. The trade off? A 302 V8 that would've gotten 9-15 mpg back in 1970s, it now gets around 22-28 mpg today and now produces 2 1970s engines worth of power. Complete with all the safety features, the fool proofing, teething elimination and significant increase in reliability.
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Great explanation 👌
I still prefer 4mpg and reliability to REBUILD a engine if it fails, these new engines are NOT built for a second chance. I dont care.. They are Sh|t
And also that's why you have EFI kits for older engines! They will for sure run at least 10% more consuming the same
Bad gas mileage would be thanks to the cars being heavier but mainly the higher axle ratios and no overdrive. You could certainly make an old car more fuel efficient but electronic fuel injection definitely plays a huge part in burning the fuel more efficiently and getting better mileage.
11.90 @ 116 vs 11.88 @ 114. Real close. nice series, we need more of this.
Makes me proud of my four cylinder doing ab 14 @ 105 lol
biggest difference is the newer v8 is putting down 100 more hp. i think the newer v8 won just due to having more power potential before it dies
With an older V8 car though you can get in a crash with the newer car, the new car would be totaled and the old car might just need a front quarter rebuild
Also the new V8 motors will always beat the old V8 motors on power just from baseline due to motors becoming more and more efficient. More power does not equal better or more tough.
@Samthemule2003 the whole point of new cars is to crumple. it takes less force away from the driver when in a accident.
@@seany642 The crash bars that are in newer cars you can put into the old cars. And I would still rather an old car. My grandfather had gotten hit years ago in a 1977 4 door Impala by a truck. There was nothing left salvageable on that truck as it flipped multiple times while the Impala just needed a rim, a tire, and the rest of the front quarter that got hit rebuilt. It started right back up the next day. So therefore, a most cases like that, an older all steel car reinforced with a crash bar on the front and rear rather than a new car as the older all steel vehicle will be able to take a considerably harder hit.
Check the torque figures in the graph. The new V8 made 644 ft/lbs when it died, the old V8 made 771 ft/lbs. The older V8 was overall handling more cylinder pressure & bottom end stress.
Funny how the engine 50 years older survived the 130 shot longer. Thing also has a wiring diagram on one page instead of an owners manual that takes up your whole glove box.
The torque curve on the older engine goes down quicker after peak torque, making it survive longer because it has less overtorque over time compared to the newer one.
Yay your back❤ can you compare 4.6 and lsd and power mods please?
is it me or does the bastion's v8 kinda sound like a crown vic
Could these have been run and tested side-by-side?
In BeamNG I could crash into a wall with the old car at 130 mph and it would still run, but if I crash the new car into the wall at 30 mph the engine instantly dies.
Because newer cars are made to destroy the car in case of a crash, not the human inside. If the car is too rigid and refuses to bend during impact, all the force will jerk through your body. In other words you will become a vegetable. Are older cars still cooler and better? Hell yeah, lol.
@@RetroRoberino yeah I know that the cars are supposed to crumple but it’s just weird that the engine dies o the newer cars
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Newer cars are mostly trash bro. I prefer older ones too.
@@RetroRoberino I’m a new car guy and an old car guy tbh
@@storithompson4076 Kinda same. There's some newer cars like the I20n that are pretty cool. The biggest issue with newer cars mostly is just the weird styling and the non-existent sound.
what UI App has that power graph, is it a mod?
Nice video
Get him to 100k subs
Hey forgotten mustered can you make a van that is spost to only go 100 go way faster than 100?
How do you get the engine stat list on the side? Is it a mod? I’d love to get ahold of something like that
hey man, i think you get it from the UI apps section in the game.
Look for "engine debug" in UI apps.
@@ForgottenMustard thanks :)
@@spoolysnail32 There's a bunch of other useful tools in there, as well. There is one for brake thermals, one for engine temperature stats, where it'll tell you the cylinder temperature, the head temps, the coolant temps, the coolant amount, etc. There's also one for an AI controller app, which lets you set other vehicles to flee, chase, follow, random, or traffic.
it didn't die beacause of the different gearing
They don't make 'em like they used to
Yeah, they improved
@@michaelkolano8686 Also a case of not overbuilding your engines.
In 1976 the Cadillac Eldorado had an 8.2L V8 that only made 190hp I dont know about you but that's alot for nothing especially If the car weighs 6k pounds
1:30 it wasant in sport?
What?
A car from the 70s isn't going to have an ESC, much less a tunable one
@@epeli0035 the bruckell is not in sport the newer one
Atcually stock it has no modes and a diffrent tranny he’s messed up the whole experiment
@@RICHYSUNCLE it doesn’t have modes he’s taken them off.
now why the hell was there a 4 speed in the newer V8
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