Jereme Manzanares not because she wasnt submitting, because it is suspicious to immediately start yelling when you get pulled over, even if your in the right. I’m sure if she didn’t start it by yelling things would have been different.
@@bizzzzzzle Blaming the victim. Great. Look, he's a cop. She's not. His behavior is the one that dictates what occurs. His objective is supposed to be to de-escalate. Instead, he hunted her. And that broke her emotionally, to the point of death. It's disgusting to even suggest she got what she deserved. Even implicitly. You should be ashamed of that belief. May the Lord rest her soul.
You are right but you know that's everywhere you go ever state in the United States the cops want you to lick their boots they want you to be a bootlicker and they don't like it if you don't look the boots
I live in the Netherlands (Europe). Before you get in to the police academy here, they make you go through a whole lot of psycological tests. If there is ANY HINT of you doing this for the abuse or thrill of power you get kicked out. In my opinion that's what's lacking in the US. Too many people in the police force that have been picked on as a kid and getting their "revenge"
Cops in the US take plenty of psych tests, they are just easy to get by. Answer questions with common sense and make sure you’re consistent because they ask the same question several different ways and check for inconsistency. Get past that and you’re good. Whether you’re in the Netherlands or US, no one is a mind reader.
I'm with you Joe. I watched the arrest video and it really looks like the cop just wanted her to obey him. It was a power trip for him. She was asserting her rights and he didn't handle it well.
Irene Vera hard to jump to murder from that. He clearly won the day. I just don’t see it, he got what he wanted why would he need to risk everything to kill her?
CHARLIE o I never said it mattered. Just that He got what he wanted(power trip) he wouldn’t go murder her is all I’m saying. He’s guilty of a lot but he didn’t do the act of murder. I agree he’s a shit human I was just saying there wasn’t a murder plot.
At 5:40 when he says the cop sped up behind her, that’s 💯 % accurate because they do that very aggressive speed up behind you before they pull you over a lot. It immediately causes nervousness
Happened to me a few nights ago. I was taking a left at a light at exactly midnight and just barely missed the yellow. I saw flashing lights and look in me rearview mirror and see a cop fly into the insersection and speed up to ride my tail. Definitely made me nervous
You know what I've experienced lately? Them pulling up on my ass with no lights, I think they want to see if ppl are going to pull over so they can ask why. That never occurred to me till I came head to head at stop signs that were at a corner. The cop flew down the street towards me as I was pulling into an adjacent st. From a lot. I stopped thinking they were going somewhere but the cop just sat there. I've always had them hit their turn signal or wave me, something to let me know what they're doing. They just sat there, so I left & they followed me a couple blocks. I've had some real strange encounters since the Floyd incident, & I'm a white female.
Funny. I’m 63 and I’ve never been pulled over. Never had a speeding ticket, and I’ve never been in a wreck. Nor have I ever run out of gas or, had a flat tire. Now how did I drive all my life and not have any of this happen to me? Because I practice what we call in safety in the Oil&Gas Industry, “Situational-Awareness.” Oh, and Joe and his left wing talking robot is wrong here. And both are making tremendous amount of assumptions on this tape when they are talking about the policeman. They are assuming they know what the police officer is thinking. BIIIIIG MISTAKE.
Deep respect for bringing up the horrific tragic story on Sandra Bland. Wow! Ashamed, I have to admit that even I wouldn't have had my pride under control. But then again, I would secretly rely on my colleagues to inject some commonsense to my boosted frustrated ego - in an ideal circumstance. RIP Sandra Bland
When the cop asked her why she was agitated/upset, I feel like she explained without being belligerent or whatever. This is where the cop should have just said, "I'm sorry you feel that way, here's your ticket, hope you have a better afternoon." He had the power to keep the situation deescalated but he chose to provoke her! By asking her to put out her cigarette and her refusing, he started to power trip. That's all that was...in my humble opinion.
He was far from scared of her he just wanted to flex his authority how this guy can even say that with a straight face is beyond me. R.I.P. Sandra Bland 🙏🏽
@@awwhellnaw8214 its called being objective and trying to view things from all possible perspectives. Its part of his job. The guy spent 27 mins speaking beautifully on the tragedy of her life, and you tune it all out because of 1 line you disagree with? Ya that sums up this generation in a nutshell.
@@niccolom4556that’s the town I grew up in and it’s a town that operates around respect. If you watch the video he was about to let her go with a warning. Yes sir no sir and battle it out in the courtroom. Let them take you to jail unlawfully, keep your cool and sue the shit out them when you get out a few days later. Don’t argue back in forward with law enforcement. Sue them if you’re being done wrong.
I can attest to that. I got my house broken into and found 5k worth of my stuff at a pawn shop. They wouldn't tell me who pawned it, even though I knew/showed them evidence who it was, but they never followed up. They were more interested in my incense burner and how it might be drug related..
there is an overtone of rich vs poor and police bulling but there is a race factor while I am compliant when a cop pulls me over but if you are raised in a country full of police footage of cops attacking with dogs at your not distant ancestry its as if a jew see's a swastika on a person telling them to be compliant.
You should watch "How to Make Money Selling Drugs". There is a particular segment when they interview a former prosecutor, and he said he received a call from some cops that planted drugs on some politician's daughter...and they said "we planted drugs on the wrong person". The lawyer then brings up the obvious point, "How do you plant drugs on the right person?"
Its true. Im someone who was kinda broke growing up and have been lucky/hardworking enough to "come up", so to speak, and I rarely even get pulled over now because my car has changed, my apparel has changed...and I look like someone who will sue.
I was pulled over shortly after this incident. I was visibly shaking. The officer asked me why I was so nervous. I told him I didn’t want to end up like Sandra Bland. He dropped his head, handed me my license and told me to be on my way. I cried all the way home. RIP QUEEN
In more civilized countries IT IS. The notion that the world has envy for the way Americans live is ridiculous. In "the land of the free", people are property. In Norway, you can't become a cop without 2 years of psychology courses. I don't mean to attack people in the U.S by saying that, i am extremely sympathetic to your situation.
Officers used to take a training course called Handling Abnormal Persons. Taught cops how to deal with people that had mental issues and use deescalation.
@@christinemwihakimwangi2813 I was not saying Sandra Bland had mental issues. I was stating that Officers have been receiving training for years and should know how to de escalate
I moved over for an ambulance one night without using my blinker and a cop pulled me for it. PS. The whole reason we have these guns as Americans is to prevent tyranny and literally stop government abuses of power. The amendment was never about hunting and or privileges. It was genuinely written as a method to hinder and prevent citizens being abused. We have a right to defend ourselves no matter the threat. Owning a weapon isn't a privilege, it should be a necessity.
The stories behind Waco and Ruby Ridge were fundamentally confrontations about gun rights. You're absolutely right but if nobody has your back or will even justify your actions after the fact, then your only option is to protect yourself outside of their arbitrarily determined law.
@@danlowe which is why everybody and their mother resorts to character attacks now. Asking if you're crying or insinuating you are emotional because you didn't agree with them. The quickest way to deal with people is make them seem like a nut job cult and 95 percent of people who take their media at face value will believe it and bury you along with them. Emotional manipulation is the business model in the modern world, outrage, sex, and violence is what sells. So if you don't bleat like a sheep and follow the heard you are outcast and rid of. What tickles me though is the fact that most websites will outright say the freedom of speech doesnt apply here, yet also state in their guidelines that misinformation is a permanently bannable offense. Which can only mean that their agenda is the only thing they care about when they are actively censoring people who disagree with them. This is what happen when your corporations and government are allow to be above the law.
So true about what jail can do to an individual. My middle daughter was thrown in jail on the word of her abusive ex husband. It began her downward spiral into mental illness and despair. It eventually let to her death in July.
@@Huvrkrft I dont know about all that with the bruising. I initially heard about it I guess a couple years ago when The Game was talking about it. Its just sad that she apparently was putting all her money in on moving to Texas and this happened. She seemed really smart and was beautiful.
You're giving him (the cop) a 1000 excuses. Pretending to be on Sandra's side but low key is for her commiting suicide. Too many people find themselves in the same predicament and mysteriously all commit suicide while in custody
No I think he’s just trynna break down in detail both sides because a lot of people really don’t know that she tried to commit suicide before not saying that justifies what happen but for sure she was murderd
Mr. Gladwell lost me when he said that planning a murder takes a level of sophistication that he didn't think that small town Texas police department possessed. That might be true for the average person, but when it comes to Law Enforcement, all you have to do is use the way evidence is supposed to be processed in the case to your advantage and control the narrative. Attempting suicide is a crime and simply running Sandra Bland's information would have shown up, that being said placing the victim in an area that's not readily visible, then through sheer numbers overpower said victim while someone strangled the victim to death. Then applied pressure to the small town Coroner to see it the way the police wrote it in the report and boom.... After all, how did all those black men escape from jail just to be lynched by the angry people outside of the jail with no witnesses?
What are the suicide rates? Is there actually "too many people who mysteriously commit suicide" or is that just your fantasy because you think that life is like a movie?
@Braden Harris no one really knows. Police Departments, Jails, Prisons, and Law. Enforcement throughout the United States are mandated by the Department of Justice to record those statistics, but they all refuse to. Only law enforcement can blatantly disregard the law with impunity.
Miss Bland was my customer at Sprint on and off for a while. I don't remember much of her but I remember she was a model customer. God rest her innocent soul. 🙏🏽
@@rlucas7374 well you certainly told me. A whole month later. That's the beauty of the YT comment section. Free to be as anonymous and hate filled as you want. Bless you anyway.
You guys are ridiculous, she wasn't arrested for a turn signal, she put herself in a position where she was stupid rude to the cop, the cop did handle it very poorly. She then refused his lawful order and fought with him. If I refuse a ticket, typically, they can tow my car. Just no one is dumb to do that. It was bad from both sides but she did it to herself just like if I started using racial slurs to a stranger, he has no legal right to hit me but you get what you get at some point.
@@ruhap9311 It doesnt matter if youre nice or rude. They kill you anyway. Its like Russian Roulette. Thats a part of the trauma. Never knowing when youll get hit, whether you act 'right' or not.
@@niccolom4556 OK, your chances of getting a bad reaction from anyone go up or down 99% based on your attitude. What the hell is wrong with you that you think how you act is not a major factor. I some cases it isnt, THIS was not one of them. Something is fundamentally wrong with your thinking that your projecting that on to all police situations. Please don't make a straw man arguement out of anything that contradicts the victim narrative that is mentally imprisoning so many of our people.
@@ruhap9311 She didn't put herself there. HE DID! She explained the situation to him and he didn't like it. Big baby! Abuse of the position. Forcing officers to meet a quota, endangers the population. Especially the poor. Tax them to death, then charge them for being imperfect in their daily lives. Or doing the right thing, which she did, no matter how off putting you feel her attitude was. What are you not getting? She is the victim of a screwball society.
A ticket is a cite and release arrest, if you are non-compliant in a ticket you are then effectively resisting arrest. No officer is complicit in someones suicide for merely arresting someone, suicide is an action taken by oneself.
Absolutely not. The officer struck me as overzealous and an asshole but this is a case of personal responsibility. The police cannot be expected to be mental health professionals
He charged her with felony assault on a police officer... After bystander footage proved that his claims were completely fabricated the cop was charged with perjury (he beat the case)
That's not necessarily the way he put it. but in the mind of a small town cop in the middle of Texas that would cause him to become suspicious or at least maybe curious
@@ellisjackson3355 yeah.. i know and thats my point.. it comes off so casual with all the other descriptives that gave the vop a reason to want to look into a reason to pull her over.. that right therr is the problem .. being black in most people eyes raise a red flag. thats the unconscious bias people need to be aware of and curve that shit
@@ellisjackson3355 considering that African American women are the most highly educated ethnic group in the entire United States seeing a young black woman coming out of a school in any part of the country is normaln, especially considering if its a college. Usually have people come from all over the world to attend colleges even if small town and the rest of the town has a homogeneous makeup. The ethnic makeup of the college is likely to be the most diverse area even in a town where everyone else looks the same. Both the police officer and the writer of this book share the same bias. The writer is okay with pointing out the fact that police brutality and abuse of power is a problem. However, he draws the line at pointing out the apparent and implicit issue of police brutality towards black women. Even if she did roll through a stop sign the police officer told her that he pulled her over because of an illegal Lane change which was a lane change that he calls by running up behind her aggressively so that she could get out of his way. Then he became unnecessarily aggressive with her physically once she asked him questions about the stop. There is nothing unusual about a black woman coming out of the school. Black women are the most educated ethnic group in the United States. Even in a small town where everyone is wind or black or whatever color, because schools are institutions of education and most people come from all over to attend them the one place where you are most likely to find the largest amount of ethnic diversity it is at a college.
Neil Dawson If you do read/listen to his book, you get to know he has done years of research, following the case in each every way. His whole argument is about police training in America.
All in all though you could say if he didnt pull her. Over she would be alive and the way he acts makes me think very poorly of the department and shows they were not made to do there job or she wouldnt be dead
Malcolm Gladwell demonstrates precisely how a person can be very smart yet naive. That he bought the cops shtick that he was terrified in his encounter with Sandra Bland is proof positive.
You just don't get what he's saying, no where in this whole clip did he justify a single thing he did. Malcolm basically calls everything the cop did bullshit but it doesn't make him complicit of somehow excusing his actions because the guy was afraid and acted in anger. The two can exist together and Malcolms point was that he was trained to overcome "dangerous" situations by demanding compliance from a person which he condemns also. In reality acting out in anger when youre afraid is extremely common and very indicative of a bully like nature which fits this cop perfectly. Intimidation is very common for a bully and his actions and police record indicate thays exactly what and who he was. He isn't buying anything, he's acknowledging that the dude was terrified, shouldn't be and shouldn't have been trained that way and most likely would never be a good cop because he was afraid in situations he didn't need to be.
@@gatordontplaynoshit3332 no, his cigarette theory is not bullshit. That's exactly why most smokers light up. His point about the cigarette is that the kid was to stupid to pick up on a common social cue because he wasn't trained to do so. Malcolm points are very nuanced but thays why he has good conversations with people in power and those that can influence policy. He would never accomplish anything failing against the system. If you think he'd reach the ears of a cop and change how they police in our communities by screaming and calling cops pigs and idiots and sub intelligent idiots like many other critics of the police forces then you don't understand his goals.
You're right, he's trying to get to the bottom of how he thinks and all situations, but he's just excluded the fact that he could possibly just be racist.
I was arrested under similar circumstances. I was being ticketed and lit a cigarette and the cop told me to put out the cigarette, I told him that I did not need to comply to that order, he claimed my smoking was a direct threat to him and threatened to arrest me, I refused again and he arrested me. It was a power trip and we both knew it, he was proving to me that he had power to throw me in jail for noncompliance. It is sad that this kind of power trip contributed to this poor woman's death.
@@danlowe how? He was power tripping by telling the officer he didn’t have to listen. He was wrong. The cop was power tripping too, but he still has every right to tell you to stop smoking while questioning you.
@@leeroyv5345 If you approach someone, privately or on business, and they're smoking a cigarette someplace where they're allowed to, wouldn't it be rude to ask them to put it out? Why would refusing to accommodate someone being rude be a power trip? Put another way, why would anything other than submission or deferral to another person's wishes be a power trip? In this case, he was asserting his basic right to not have to follow any unlawful order. We have laws because Americans have fundamentally different opinions about what is normal. Not just roofing regulations or seat belts, but drunk diving, street fighting, even driveby shooting is all justified according to your norms. All of our safety relies on the only norms anyone has to honor being those that are pre-established codes of conduct that we can read and know then follow consistently. Without that standard, anyone could exert their will according to whatever norms they've internalized. But I also may be a sociopath who's never going to internalize anything you expect me to and the only thing that keeps me from being lynched or murdered as an outcast is this concrete, consistent standard of law. Which I regard really only so long as everyone else does. I have no delusions that we don't still live in the jungle and navigate force as the basis of society. The force to blast the cop out the window, the force to go on a manhunt for a fugitive cop killer, etc etc. But also the force to detain someone without cause and make them lose faith in the whole system to the point their norm becomes ACAB, FTP or OGCIADC. I promise you that my argument s just as much about the safety and stability of that cop as it is the guy smoking. If we're just going to start inventing rules then you have to expect way crazier and more dangerous people will create rules and we'll only resolve our normative differences through force and bloodshed. Daniel Kemmis's Community, Politics & the Power of Place is well worth a read. These are the same debates that Jefferson and Madison had that established this system in the first place. We're not going to agree, so we defer to the majority. The majority says I can smoke in my car. If you think the majority's opinion has changed, then make it concrete in the law. Qualified immunity and executive privileges just breed unabombers and OKC bombings. What you call a power trip, I call the most basic expression of peaceful coexistence.
She wasn't in jail for 3 days for a failure to signal. Don't forget, they both went hands on. Let's state facts. She had priors and chalked up an assault on an officer, wrong, right or indifferent.
@N Mil so her not wanting to put out a cigarette is non compliant Yeah I guess fuck the constitution and the bill of rights and the fact that were a nation of laws What's funny is, I live in texas, I've been pulled over while smoking black andmild, cigars, etc and it was only an issue once and the cop simply asked me politely if I could put it out, since he wasnt being a dick about it i didnt mind Please get tf with that bootlicking ass ideaology Sincerely, Someone who has lived in the damn state 8 years and adding more to it And fyi, she was complying with him fuck boii
@N Mil he's not a cop but I was one for 10 years. You're trained for cross fire, a chick lighting a cig shouldn't scare you unless you're literally having a mental break down. I watched the video and that sir is acting like a heroin addict when he can't get a fix, completely crazy.
Everton C Thank you no fear at all he just abused her with his “authority’ by making unlawful requests and then turning n2 a maniac when she didn’t comply.
We need to hold police accountable for their actions. The lack of transparency and us vs them mentality Joe highlighted has resulted in so much human suffering.
@@Savevade because there are always bad apples in every barrel but that doesn't mean every apple in the barrel is bad, that's why. The problem with our society today is that we allow "The News" to exacerbate and stir up the emotions of non-thinking, closed minded individuals by Highlighting a small number of "incidents" and talking about them like they are the norm for Law Enforcement when in all actuality, it is an extremely small Fringe group of cops that act that way. Then, closed minded individuals take to social media to unknowingly help the talking heads on "The News" spread false and misleading information that foments fear, lack of trust and misplaced rage towards ALL law enforcement officers. Thank God that the majority of us CAN think for ourselves and know that the REAL data shows that police who abuse their authority are in the minority. And this is coming from someone who has been set up and falsely accused BY dirty cops with REAL criminals who helped them , and has spent time in many jails and state prison because of it. I just didn't allow my own experiences to make me jaded towards all cops because I took the time to research this subject for myself so I know what the actual numbers show. Ya just gotta put your intellect over your emotions, then turn of the 📺 and 👨💻 and amazingly all of that anxiety and fear will begin to disappear and will slowly be replaced by LOGIC and RATIONAL THOUGHTS. 🙄🤦
Hah if you think the police is the only problem... Check Joe's podcast about Clemente Aguierre. The guy was sent do DEATH ROW for 14 YEARS for killing 2 women. The thing is - the daughter CONFESSED she killed her mother and grandmother, she had posts on social media how she will kill them, how she did it. Yet the absolute subhuman trash of a judge REFUSED the confessions and witnesses and wanted to kill the innocent guy, cause she is running for political post and didn't want a "looser" in her record.... The whole justice system is broken beyond belief, to the point I don't understand how you guys aren't gunning judges and prosecutors on the streets.....
@@0ne-Two no they are not, the lawsuits that are brought on due to their lack of self control and emotions come at the expense of taxpayers. It should come out of their pensions and they need an outside agency to handle their "internal investigations".
The worst time I've ever served was when I got picked up by police because my supervisor put a trespass on me for going in without a mask to check my work schedule. This was in 2020. Somehow, wrongful confinement is worse than reasonable confinement.
that mugshot gives me chills every time i see it. i was 16 when Ms. Bland passed away and it shook me to my core. i had no doubt in my mind they took that photo after her death. something about it compared to the other pictures of her just seems so void of life. Rest in power Sandra.
miccheck11 it’s a small town in Texas.. I was held in a large town in CT and there were 2 cells. That’s it. Know what you’re talking about or try asking ppl who know before you make assumptions.
@@CrustyUgg Do you know how hard it is to commit suicide while in jail? To have 2 people commit suicide in a large prison is very unlikely. The fact that it's a small jail should make it even more so. You haven't presented anything but your own personal experience that proves nothing and you're the one just assuming shit.
I lived in a back water town like this in SC, the local jail killed a kid by hanging him with shoelaces, he went to jail in flip flops. Killing people in small town is easier than you think.
The fear question is fascinating. I think if the officer had fear it wasn't an emergent, immediate fear so much as a deep-seated existential fear, an insecurity about lack of control that runs deep in authoritarian personalities.
Or a sense of duty that requires a lemming in this case a cop to maintain a high sense of paranoia in order to provoke innocent people into unrelenting suspects in order to meet the demands instilled by their quota.
You make sense. So they should make a psychometric test that SCREENS OUT these type of candidates from the police academy. Make it a Nationwide requirement. Let's get rid of these bad apples.
I worked at a college where they trained officers. They Teach Them To Jump To Conclusions!! They were literally telling them things like "A person smoking a brown paper cigarette might be smoking pcp because if you dip a regular cig in it they look coffee stained." They don't teach them to think, they teach them to react and to suppose you're dangerous or committing a crime.
@@xdoxxy don't know if you paid attention but there was another gentleman who apparently committed "suicide" in that precinct. I dont think that's a coincidence. They were dirty
mike banga Well her history with attempted suicide along with the fact that; she was already upset about being arrested, her family wasn’t going to pay her bail, and the fact that the man she lived with wasn’t answering her calls so she figured he wasn’t going to either could’ve factored into this. It’s not that hard to believe she would take her own life. What is hard to believe is that they murdered her without an incentive.
As someone who has dealt with police both legit and otherwise, I can give you this piece of advice. When the cop comes walking up to your window make and hold eye contact. When you avoid eye contact it gives them cause to believe your hiding and or scared. Remember to take orders. Anything I just can be settled in court. Don't end up suicided.
That's why we have God and when he rests we have KARMA😈 the fate of that ignorant, infant cop is garunteed far worse than Ms.Bland's. At least she left the Earth being more respected and honored than a cop 😇🙏🏽 peace be with her and her family xo
Dre Smith and black ppl such as your self are hating on a whole race because a couple bad people, just like you hate all of police because of a couple shit ones that don’t deserve the badge. Grow up
@@Batmanindustries48 meanwhile cops keep on killing people, keep on fucking up their raids and raiding the wrong houses, plus all the other shit those cocksuckers do. there might be some excellent real cops, yes but cops are government. too many cops are allowed to act foul and nothing gets done about it.
@@jpanici Over a turn signal the cop should of explained to use her turn signal and not escalate things over a fucking cigarette. Should of gave her a warning. Cops are not there to write tickets they are there to get criminals off the street and away from society.
4 minutes in and this dudes energy just rubs me the wrong way smh his doubt and saying she was skipping into depression is ridiculous. How does he know???
@@rosephjosenbaum7130 what kind of person runs towards a gun asshat go somewhere with ya gaslighting get some pussy, go to work, get some money ,dammit hit the gym,but dont waste my time. You sound hurt
Nah micheal you are denial I been to jail where is her side mugshot ? And if you pay attention it looks like the picture was taken with her laying on the floor not standing up look at other inmate photos completely different from hers
@@michaeldelyjah5696 Maybe if you read some shit about black people- HISTORY: A. You would not have been in jail B. Learned to be a better crook C. Learned critical thinking. Like why weren't there or why in these kinds of cases the cameras always seem to be ON THE FRITZ?!? D. Just cause your dumbass was in jail doesn't make you a criminal justice expert or a: "I'm gonna kill this lady because she disrespected my dumb cop ass" psycology expert.
@@michaeldelyjah5696 her failures in life are a result of white supremacy. Not her own. A lot of you white people join the police force, because nothing else panned out for you. That coupled with hatred for black people for whatever reason brings on situations like this. How about you police yourselves in this manner and let's see how long that lasts?
My buddy got pulled over while I was with him once and I was smoking a cigarette so to be nice and not blow smoke in the cops face I threw out the cig. Long story short, they got mad they couldn't do anything about the weed I had because I had a medical Marijuana card so they gave me a 500 dollar littering ticket and 5 days community service for throwing the cigarette out the window lol
His supervisors should have noticed his tendency to pull people over for bullshit and questioned him about it. 9-10 months is a rookie. He should have been reviewed weekly.
@@tizodd6 no, telling a suspect they can't smoke is not a whim, its police training 101. No hands in their pockets, no sudden moves, and no smoking, especially not any of that until backup arrives. You monday morning quarterbacks with absolutely no training have no idea what the police are trained to do. Most states require at least a 3 month academy where they are drilled every day and shown how things go bad when suspects are allowed to light cigarettes or not comply to their orders.
@@Old_School69 wow a whole 3 months no way 😱, learn some body how to read body language and how to work under pressure. I get the whole being on edge thing, but if they can't handle high stress situations the difference between them and a civilian with a gun is a badge
Jonnathan R. - Perez No I said a minimum of 3 months. That is 3 months of training after hired but most places you can't even apply unless you have a degree in a related field or 2 years of experience. Then 3 months training where you are daily shown videos of people getting killed while trying to do the job you are learning to do. I just love how everyone knows so much about a job they never did. This guy was a young cop who hadn't been doing it for long, but the stop itself is fine. "Blowing through a stop sign" was plenty of pretext to pull her over already. If she would have followed instructions, worst case scenario she would have left with a ticket. Did the cop handle it like a 20 year veteran? No, but he wasn't a 20 year veteran. You don't get experience in an academy or even in college. You just get training, and the training tells him that suspects can't smoke during the traffic stop.
He got his fragile ego hurt, she was an idiot that couldn’t follow simple instructions, and now blks think cops are lynching them for no reason and there is a epidemic of cops murdering them for no reason, give me a break already🙄
The security guard at the door of my local pub shakes everyone's hand going in and hugs those he knows well. In all my time going there, I have never seen any hassle. Big shout-out to Tony who works the door at Impala in Cork city Ireland.
Conner Gil He’s giving an example of a deescalation technique, and an observation about how effective it has been. Contrast that with this officers approach to the traffic stop.
jhunt32004 The cop must have been a Jew. I’m almost certain since they came up with “She committed suicide” story. “Let’s go look up her suicidal background so we can at least say this is all the proof we need even though we don’t need any because she’s black.”
My best friends brother came back from service and joined the police academy .Let’s just say I am now terrified for my safety after he told me the mentality the department carries .
I saw him recently in a debate with Douglas Murray. According to Malcom here, we should trust the MSM, as they’ve never lied to us. He got his proverbial ass handed to him by Murray, of course. Man isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed.
This man is totally out of touch and toned, especially in small towns in Texas that is exactly where killings go on especially when you’re black there’s some of the most racist crimes being committed in the small towns of Texas everybody knows that and the fact that there’s redness needed that she committed suicide. It’s complete bullshit and I am pissed.
Doesnt matter. Google what I say for yourself: he'll just get rehired by another precinct. Happens all the fuckin' time. P.O.S. cop gets fired from one precinct then just gets rehired by another.
@@Blexxor12 "cops" aren't employed by "precincts." Precincts are geographical areas of command and control for a police department and are used to manage manpower and resources. Police Officers aka "cops" are generally employed by Cities or Towns. Deputies are generally employed by counties. Blexxor12 is another Internet expert, about something he knows very little about, whose ability to demonstrate his ignorance is really what we should be talking about.
@trufiend138 Exactly what I was thinking. He is what I call a well spoken idiot. He can sound articulate but he makes little sense. He also sounds like he is full of assumptions.
This video is absolutely fascinating. I’m hearing every excuse being offered for this officer’s actions that day. He improperly arrested this woman which subsequently led to her death. The officer was not the victim he was the perpetrator. Stop justifying wrongdoing because the wrong doer has a badge.
Malcolm Gladwell and me are from the same province in Canada - Ontario. Our police cars are black and white (OPP cars) and he's on here claiming to not understand why LA cop cars are painted black and white. Weird.
@D DLedge If you are a fearful person you have no business being a public servant. I am a veteran and fear is not allowed. The law needs to respect itself and stop their lying! If you are a fearful person you need to get a desk job somewhere or work in a laundrymat where the only thing to be scared of is inanimate things like fluff and fold or a computer mouse! SNOWFLAKE!
Around here you’re automatically arrested if you have outstanding warrants/unpaid prior court fees/tickets in the thousands, etc. and then most of the time your car is impounded regardless of the situation at hand. Upon arrest you are in the holding cell till you appear before the judge who then determines your release. If this happened end of day and judge went home she’d be detained overnight, or on a Friday and judge is gone till Monday she’d be their guest for the weekend.
So many comments here against Malcolm Gladwell. He’s not defending the officer, when he says he is the perfect officer because he did what he was trained to do he is bringing into question the efficacy of the training. He is pointing out that there is a problem with the system, therefore we can’t be surprised when officers do what they are trained to do. He’s saying we need to address the training, go deeper, all the way to the roots so we can be effective.
Only option is to defund and change the purpose of the police. I’m perfectly okay with police being armed, only if going into a situation that would be deemed dangerous. There’s no reason to have a weapon on a traffic stop, no reason being armed responding to a noise complaint or a mental health check up. Sure if you’re responding to an armed robbery it would be smart to have a firearm and to be trained in using it but what purpose is that serving in any non violent dispute except to heighten the intensity of a situation. Public services should be expanded at the expense of the police budget to handle the non violent disputes that police are expected to deal with daily while the acting Police can respond to the situations that actually put people in danger. While we’re at it let’s decriminalize all drugs and victimless crimes.
@@nolanyoung8786 The main issue with this is that the police dont actually know who is and who isnt armed, what you are suggesting could mean many officers killed in the line of duty because they are showing up to what should be a peaceful dispute and the people involved are armed or on a drug that makes them extremely violent. Noise complaints can go from, just that a noise complaint, to a full blown shoot out in a split second if the people in question have warrants or are just full blown crazy. Cops have been ambushed during traffic stops many many times, a young female officer was executed during a traffic stop by some one that had nothing to do with the situation.... We cant send these people out unarmed, that's just suicide especially with the massive issues America has with drug related violence, the police need a total reform and more training for those who are mentally fit to be in that position.
@@nolanyoung8786 Your argument portends that somehow because someone has something that is a weapon that they bring the violence of other people upon themselves. Please provide me with studies that show that is the case, and once you have done that, please consider the criminals actions and why they would act in such a way to begin with. In this case she did nothing wrong except the traffic violation, but the argument you put forth always seems to ignore the criminality of the other side.
@@nolanyoung8786 OK SO WHAT YOUR SAYING IS.... If a call comes in there has to be a decision weather it's a violent or non violent event then when that's Figured out the responding officer would have to go retrieve a gun from somewhere then head to the call ?? Well that Sounds COMPLETELY FN DUMB !!
Well, he's wrong. This isn't police protocol! They're not trained to pull someone over for a traffic violation and then remove them from their car? Really? Thats not suppose to happen but that is what he did. So in pointing out the police officers doing what he is trained to do is false. That is why people are writing a negative response to his narrative and we're right and he's wrong... Sandra's family settled the wrongful death lawsuit against Texas for 1.9 million. I think that's not enough and with what the officer did constitutes a civil rights lawsuit as well.
That was my mom neighbor, I can still hear her voice telling my mom I’m just going to Texas for housing I’ll be back” if you can survive living in Chicago she most definitely can survive 3 days in jail….
@@urgfswallows civil forfeiture definitely exists. And long story short it means that if the police think you will commit a crime with something they can take your property. Then you'd have to go to court a prove you weren't going to use it to commit a crime. Say you're driving across the country with $3,000 and get pulled over. You're car's plates and drivers license is from another state and you have all that money. In some states they can assume you're going to buy drugs and keep your money.
From her point of view: Car got towed and now it will be $200 a day that impound has it. Will be in jail for a month before I can go to court because I cant pay bail. That means I lost my new job. That means I lose my apartment. Car will be gone. In her eyes her life was over. She would get out and be homeless because she smoked a cigarette.
She had a fatal seizure in the cell after having her head slammed on the ground and not allowed access to her anti seizure meds. Period. Breaks my heart!
I live in small town Tennessee and I have been pulled over before and told not to light a cigarette even if I explicitly say/ask I’m reaching for a lighter/cigarette. I can understand why the police want to know what you’re doing with your hands but in all reality these cops need to better understand how to de-escalate a situation or at the very least not unnecessarily escalate a situation to the point of being physical or arresting a person over a bs technical issue. I cannot wrap my head around ppl caught on the carousel of court/fines are expected to ever get out.
This story makes me completely paranoid as to the police and their motives. I grew up in small town Pennsylvania, literally Amish/Mennonite territory, and the one cop they had on patrol at any time would act like Barney Fife. No lie. They were trained to make you feel watched, if you ran a stop sign you would be afraid they were going to drag you out of the car and BANG, in the back of the head.
I think that we veterans & service members are better trained to deal with tense situations. We are trained to not let our fear control us. A lot of these civilian police seem to be trained to be fearful. Three things that can change that: 1. longer, BETTER training, like other developed nations have. 2. More strict rules of engagement. 3. Fitting punishments for officers who violate the laws & rules of engagement.
@@nixonesport1998, I've killed as many babies as you have molested. GTFOH with that lame sh...! Nobody I served with killed any babies. Does it happen from time to time, yes. But, those people are sociopaths who have no business being in the military or in civil societies. Unfortunately, it also happens during air strikes. Sometimes it is politicians (i.e., the commander in chief) or military leaders who order strikes that result in civilian deaths). But I do not know anyone who has or would kill babies or any other unarmed non-combatants.
Prïnçë Nïxön it’s funny how you attempt to mock him and his service but when the country is under pressure, you’re first cry is for the soldier to defend your home country lol. You’re a fool for dislikes, think it’s time to grow up.
I feel like the whole situation could have been solved by the police station being more transparent. The only cure to conspiracy theories is the truth. They did so much weird stuff--releasing part of the tape, weird stuff about the autopsy with her family, not cooperating with the family's lawyer. I have no idea if the police killed her or not. I feel like that is a serious problem.
She died after she was taken into custody...how do u not know she was killed by them? What more proof do you need? If you watch the video, then add up the facts, on top of the fact that she never left from being in their possession its common sense that she died on their watch. She didn't commit suicide. They killed her and it wasn't an inmate
The fact that this guy has no clue about what Joe was talking about when he said that the cop might have a chip on his shoulder is concerning to say the least. That is one hell of a blind spot to have especially when dealing with corrupt officials.
Correct me if im wrong, but although it’s ruled a suicide they didn’t have the security footage right ? Like the guest says she had a history of suicide etc, thats a good way to show motive for suicide but for some reason they never showed the footage from the cameras so thats the major red flag… so yea definitely not a suicide until proven. (Im open to being corrected)
Biggest red flag is that she was in jail for three days. I feel like the author glazed over that and I'm glad Joe brought it up. He's talking about how quickly things escalated but what happened in those three days.
He was not scared he was pissed that she wasn't scared of him.
Ian Anderson-Ley Thank you.
Should be no reason to fear the pigs they bleed just like you and me
They killed her...cause what's sad is she had her life ahead of her she had everything going for her
Exactly!!
Ian Anderson-Ley couldn't have said it better
The cop wasn't terrified. He was pissed because she wasn't submitting completely to him immediately
Jereme Manzanares not because she wasnt submitting, because it is suspicious to immediately start yelling when you get pulled over, even if your in the right. I’m sure if she didn’t start it by yelling things would have been different.
@@bizzzzzzle oh wow lol by that logic he was never in the wrong
@@bizzzzzzle moron
@@bizzzzzzle Blaming the victim. Great. Look, he's a cop. She's not. His behavior is the one that dictates what occurs. His objective is supposed to be to de-escalate. Instead, he hunted her. And that broke her emotionally, to the point of death. It's disgusting to even suggest she got what she deserved. Even implicitly. You should be ashamed of that belief. May the Lord rest her soul.
You are right but you know that's everywhere you go ever state in the United States the cops want you to lick their boots they want you to be a bootlicker and they don't like it if you don't look the boots
"When a person with power,
confronts a person with no power...terrible things are revealed."
James Baldwin
Managers
I like how no matter what joe kept his same opinion about the situation
I live in the Netherlands (Europe).
Before you get in to the police academy here, they make you go through a whole lot of psycological tests. If there is ANY HINT of you doing this for the abuse or thrill of power you get kicked out.
In my opinion that's what's lacking in the US. Too many people in the police force that have been picked on as a kid and getting their "revenge"
1000000000%
Preach
They are given psych tests. They're not working.
Maybe but not in a large percentage. Most US cops are former military an you must have a college degree if not had military training.
Cops in the US take plenty of psych tests, they are just easy to get by. Answer questions with common sense and make sure you’re consistent because they ask the same question several different ways and check for inconsistency. Get past that and you’re good. Whether you’re in the Netherlands or US, no one is a mind reader.
I'm with you Joe. I watched the arrest video and it really looks like the cop just wanted her to obey him. It was a power trip for him. She was asserting her rights and he didn't handle it well.
Irene Vera hard to jump to murder from that. He clearly won the day. I just don’t see it, he got what he wanted why would he need to risk everything to kill her?
CHARLIE o I never said it mattered. Just that He got what he wanted(power trip) he wouldn’t go murder her is all I’m saying. He’s guilty of a lot but he didn’t do the act of murder. I agree he’s a shit human I was just saying there wasn’t a murder plot.
welcome to american cops
Ryan Slicker then what do you think happened?
@@ryguy2482 stfu u don't know shit about what really happened so stop acting like u do. Unless u were there it's all speculation
At 5:40 when he says the cop sped up behind her, that’s 💯 % accurate because they do that very aggressive speed up behind you before they pull you over a lot. It immediately causes nervousness
Happened to me a few nights ago. I was taking a left at a light at exactly midnight and just barely missed the yellow. I saw flashing lights and look in me rearview mirror and see a cop fly into the insersection and speed up to ride my tail. Definitely made me nervous
@@JadonHale They wanted to catch up to make sure you don't get a head start should you run away.
You know what I've experienced lately? Them pulling up on my ass with no lights, I think they want to see if ppl are going to pull over so they can ask why. That never occurred to me till I came head to head at stop signs that were at a corner. The cop flew down the street towards me as I was pulling into an adjacent st. From a lot. I stopped thinking they were going somewhere but the cop just sat there. I've always had them hit their turn signal or wave me, something to let me know what they're doing. They just sat there, so I left & they followed me a couple blocks. I've had some real strange encounters since the Floyd incident, & I'm a white female.
They did that to me a few months ago. I just kept driving. I’ll pull over when I see some lights, not before.
Funny. I’m 63 and I’ve never been pulled over. Never had a speeding ticket, and I’ve never been in a wreck. Nor have I ever run out of gas or, had a flat tire. Now how did I drive all my life and not have any of this happen to me? Because I practice what we call in safety in the Oil&Gas Industry, “Situational-Awareness.”
Oh, and Joe and his left wing talking robot is wrong here. And both are making tremendous amount of assumptions on this tape when they are talking about the policeman. They are assuming they know what the police officer is thinking. BIIIIIG MISTAKE.
Deep respect for bringing up the horrific tragic story on Sandra Bland. Wow! Ashamed, I have to admit that even I wouldn't have had my pride under control. But then again, I would secretly rely on my colleagues to inject some commonsense to my boosted frustrated ego - in an ideal circumstance. RIP Sandra Bland
this officer was an egomaniacal bully.
When the cop asked her why she was agitated/upset, I feel like she explained without being belligerent or whatever. This is where the cop should have just said, "I'm sorry you feel that way, here's your ticket, hope you have a better afternoon." He had the power to keep the situation deescalated but he chose to provoke her! By asking her to put out her cigarette and her refusing, he started to power trip. That's all that was...in my humble opinion.
So true the cop wanted it to get out of hand he kept provoking her
True, so true....
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Cops should have the discretion to let her go and no ticket. But also, wasn't she upset about a death in the family.
He was far from scared of her he just wanted to flex his authority how this guy can even say that with a straight face is beyond me. R.I.P. Sandra Bland 🙏🏽
Pissed me off completely. Hard to listen to the rest.
Yea there are cops like that. I would not have started smoking and giving them any reason to get angrier. Esp in some small Texas town. Scary.
@@awwhellnaw8214 its called being objective and trying to view things from all possible perspectives. Its part of his job. The guy spent 27 mins speaking beautifully on the tragedy of her life, and you tune it all out because of 1 line you disagree with?
Ya that sums up this generation in a nutshell.
Exactly
@@niccolom4556that’s the town I grew up in and it’s a town that operates around respect. If you watch the video he was about to let her go with a warning. Yes sir no sir and battle it out in the courtroom. Let them take you to jail unlawfully, keep your cool and sue the shit out them when you get out a few days later. Don’t argue back in forward with law enforcement. Sue them if you’re being done wrong.
I can say in my life the police only caused me problems, threatening me, bullying me, never been there when I've needed them or helped. What a shame.
I can attest to that. I got my house broken into and found 5k worth of my stuff at a pawn shop. They wouldn't tell me who pawned it, even though I knew/showed them evidence who it was, but they never followed up. They were more interested in my incense burner and how it might be drug related..
The Sandra Bland case is simple if she didn't run into police that day she would still be alive.
brewske marial If she STOPPED at the STOP sign, she wouldn’t have run into police that day and would still be alive.
John Smith your white !! And she got stop for failure to signal
@@JohnSmith-be5py next time you skip a stop sign hope you dont get a boot temple to your fucking temple
John Smith use a real identity you bitch.
there is an overtone of rich vs poor and police bulling but there is a race factor while I am compliant when a cop pulls me over but if you are raised in a country full of police footage of cops attacking with dogs at your not distant ancestry its as if a jew see's a swastika on a person telling them to be compliant.
The Police bully ppl who they think can’t afford an Lawyer
a lawyer, dumbass.
You should watch "How to Make Money Selling Drugs". There is a particular segment when they interview a former prosecutor, and he said he received a call from some cops that planted drugs on some politician's daughter...and they said "we planted drugs on the wrong person". The lawyer then brings up the obvious point, "How do you plant drugs on the right person?"
Its true. Im someone who was kinda broke growing up and have been lucky/hardworking enough to "come up", so to speak, and I rarely even get pulled over now because my car has changed, my apparel has changed...and I look like someone who will sue.
Bingo
Why "The police.." as if all police are pigs. It's such an ignorant statement.
It’s very sad hearing his take on the officer’s actions. He really made me FURIOUS.
Gladwell is an idiot
I was pulled over shortly after this incident. I was visibly shaking. The officer asked me why I was so nervous. I told him I didn’t want to end up like Sandra Bland. He dropped his head, handed me my license and told me to be on my way. I cried all the way home. RIP QUEEN
Fuck off you are lying for attention pal
Yaaaaassss queen slay
@@perc3136 she wasnt slaying shit! More like scared shitless
@@izzydeadyet7336 i was kidding lmao
Lmao, the victim Olympics in full swing.
Joe should talk about this with someone else
Agreed . He’s going into this psychology about cigarettes and trying to play devils advocate, yet doesn’t have an opinion about the actual murder .
Guy was clearly pro cops and don’t get me wrong there are good cops and then there are cops that act exactly like this dude in question.
Press Woodard you don’t know it was a murder
Cops watch Joes podcast. Malcom is being careful with his words because he know cops will retaliate.
Yeah, this should still have a lot more coverage.
I feel that a couple years of mental health training should be MANDATORY in becoming a police officer.
In more civilized countries IT IS. The notion that the world has envy for the way Americans live is ridiculous. In "the land of the free", people are property. In Norway, you can't become a cop without 2 years of psychology courses. I don't mean to attack people in the U.S by saying that, i am extremely sympathetic to your situation.
Officers used to take a training course called Handling Abnormal Persons. Taught cops how to deal with people that had mental issues and use deescalation.
This lady, I highly doubt if she had mental issues. Excuses are made after inexplicable deaths.
@@christinemwihakimwangi2813 I was not saying Sandra Bland had mental issues. I was stating that Officers have been receiving training for years and should know how to de escalate
A lot of agencies do. Cops have training all the time. there are bad people in every profession not just cops.
I moved over for an ambulance one night without using my blinker and a cop pulled me for it.
PS. The whole reason we have these guns as Americans is to prevent tyranny and literally stop government abuses of power. The amendment was never about hunting and or privileges. It was genuinely written as a method to hinder and prevent citizens being abused. We have a right to defend ourselves no matter the threat. Owning a weapon isn't a privilege, it should be a necessity.
The stories behind Waco and Ruby Ridge were fundamentally confrontations about gun rights. You're absolutely right but if nobody has your back or will even justify your actions after the fact, then your only option is to protect yourself outside of their arbitrarily determined law.
@@danlowe which is why everybody and their mother resorts to character attacks now. Asking if you're crying or insinuating you are emotional because you didn't agree with them. The quickest way to deal with people is make them seem like a nut job cult and 95 percent of people who take their media at face value will believe it and bury you along with them. Emotional manipulation is the business model in the modern world, outrage, sex, and violence is what sells. So if you don't bleat like a sheep and follow the heard you are outcast and rid of.
What tickles me though is the fact that most websites will outright say the freedom of speech doesnt apply here, yet also state in their guidelines that misinformation is a permanently bannable offense. Which can only mean that their agenda is the only thing they care about when they are actively censoring people who disagree with them. This is what happen when your corporations and government are allow to be above the law.
I like this dude
Well said!!
So true about what jail can do to an individual. My middle daughter was thrown in jail on the word of her abusive ex husband. It began her downward spiral into mental illness and despair. It eventually let to her death in July.
😢 My sincere condolences
Sorry
@@gbrecordz Thank you.
@@MayorSom Thank you for your condolences.
Hmmm..Hmm... need more details
This case disturbs me. Thanks for keeping the story relevant.
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@@Huvrkrft I dont know about all that with the bruising. I initially heard about it I guess a couple years ago when The Game was talking about it. Its just sad that she apparently was putting all her money in on moving to Texas and this happened. She seemed really smart and was beautiful.
The cop was on a power trip he escalated the situation there was no need for his behaviour
He was pure and simple a bastard
Another BLACK person got killed in the same police building recently
Sure there was: her attitude.
@@boofert.washington2499 "her attitude" what?
@Biochemists Rule apnews.com/77abb99f383e4347bb7f0614eb2301cf there ya go bud
yeah yeap
Either way he’s a clown
You're giving him (the cop) a 1000 excuses. Pretending to be on Sandra's side but low key is for her commiting suicide. Too many people find themselves in the same predicament and mysteriously all commit suicide while in custody
No I think he’s just trynna break down in detail both sides because a lot of people really don’t know that she tried to commit suicide before not saying that justifies what happen but for sure she was murderd
This is exactly what I was thinking crazy like come on. Contradicting himself every minute. Pick a side man
Mr. Gladwell lost me when he said that planning a murder takes a level of sophistication that he didn't think that small town Texas police department possessed. That might be true for the average person, but when it comes to Law Enforcement, all you have to do is use the way evidence is supposed to be processed in the case to your advantage and control the narrative. Attempting suicide is a crime and simply running Sandra Bland's information would have shown up, that being said placing the victim in an area that's not readily visible, then through sheer numbers overpower said victim while someone strangled the victim to death. Then applied pressure to the small town Coroner to see it the way the police wrote it in the report and boom.... After all, how did all those black men escape from jail just to be lynched by the angry people outside of the jail with no witnesses?
What are the suicide rates? Is there actually "too many people who mysteriously commit suicide" or is that just your fantasy because you think that life is like a movie?
@Braden Harris no one really knows. Police Departments, Jails, Prisons, and Law. Enforcement throughout the United States are mandated by the Department of Justice to record those statistics, but they all refuse to. Only law enforcement can blatantly disregard the law with impunity.
He lied. Plenty of people smoke and they don't go to jail
Miss Bland was my customer at Sprint on and off for a while. I don't remember much of her but I remember she was a model customer. God rest her innocent soul. 🙏🏽
Stfu with this ridiculous bs
@@rlucas7374 well you certainly told me. A whole month later. That's the beauty of the YT comment section. Free to be as anonymous and hate filled as you want. Bless you anyway.
@@rlucas7374 Damn, bro. You know D H's life like that?
A model customer with an extensive criminal history.
@BeeleeDatPleighboi 100 show me where I said she deserved to die, boy.
It does not matter if she killed herself not. That man is responsible of her life. That was an unlawful arrest.
No. She did not magically turn into MacGyver and kill herself. It was murder.
You guys are ridiculous, she wasn't arrested for a turn signal, she put herself in a position where she was stupid rude to the cop, the cop did handle it very poorly. She then refused his lawful order and fought with him. If I refuse a ticket, typically, they can tow my car. Just no one is dumb to do that. It was bad from both sides but she did it to herself just like if I started using racial slurs to a stranger, he has no legal right to hit me but you get what you get at some point.
@@ruhap9311 It doesnt matter if youre nice or rude. They kill you anyway. Its like Russian Roulette. Thats a part of the trauma. Never knowing when youll get hit, whether you act 'right' or not.
@@niccolom4556 OK, your chances of getting a bad reaction from anyone go up or down 99% based on your attitude. What the hell is wrong with you that you think how you act is not a major factor. I some cases it isnt, THIS was not one of them. Something is fundamentally wrong with your thinking that your projecting that on to all police situations. Please don't make a straw man arguement out of anything that contradicts the victim narrative that is mentally imprisoning so many of our people.
@@ruhap9311 She didn't put herself there. HE DID! She explained the situation to him and he didn't like it. Big baby! Abuse of the position. Forcing officers to meet a quota, endangers the population. Especially the poor. Tax them to death, then charge them for being imperfect in their daily lives. Or doing the right thing, which she did, no matter how off putting you feel her attitude was. What are you not getting? She is the victim of a screwball society.
I love everything Malcolm Gladwell has done but he's clearly walking the line.
Lots of bs covering for the cops and pushing a suicide narrative. Bs
@14:20 That simple “HOW SO” from JR was telling us how much he wants to say bullshit!!! Thanks for all the likes!
But “IF” she did commit suicide and was unstable shouldn’t he be complicit in her death for locking her up for 3 days for a turn signal?
Exactly 3 days is absolutely an abuse of power
My guess is that they kept her in jail with the old fines and tickets
A ticket is a cite and release arrest, if you are non-compliant in a ticket you are then effectively resisting arrest. No officer is complicit in someones suicide for merely arresting someone, suicide is an action taken by oneself.
Absolutely not. The officer struck me as overzealous and an asshole but this is a case of personal responsibility. The police cannot be expected to be mental health professionals
He charged her with felony assault on a police officer... After bystander footage proved that his claims were completely fabricated the cop was charged with perjury (he beat the case)
"out of state young black woman" as if that incriminating evidence lol
That's not necessarily the way he put it. but in the mind of a small town cop in the middle of Texas that would cause him to become suspicious or at least maybe curious
@@ellisjackson3355 yeah.. i know and thats my point.. it comes off so casual with all the other descriptives that gave the vop a reason to want to look into a reason to pull her over.. that right therr is the problem .. being black in most people eyes raise a red flag. thats the unconscious bias people need to be aware of and curve that shit
@@boohankygeneral my comment wasnt about why she was pulled over..so youre off base on that..
@@pcaz23 Sorry sir. Enjoy the rest of the weekend.
@@ellisjackson3355 considering that African American women are the most highly educated ethnic group in the entire United States seeing a young black woman coming out of a school in any part of the country is normaln, especially considering if its a college. Usually have people come from all over the world to attend colleges even if small town and the rest of the town has a homogeneous makeup. The ethnic makeup of the college is likely to be the most diverse area even in a town where everyone else looks the same. Both the police officer and the writer of this book share the same bias. The writer is okay with pointing out the fact that police brutality and abuse of power is a problem. However, he draws the line at pointing out the apparent and implicit issue of police brutality towards black women. Even if she did roll through a stop sign the police officer told her that he pulled her over because of an illegal Lane change which was a lane change that he calls by running up behind her aggressively so that she could get out of his way. Then he became unnecessarily aggressive with her physically once she asked him questions about the stop. There is nothing unusual about a black woman coming out of the school. Black women are the most educated ethnic group in the United States. Even in a small town where everyone is wind or black or whatever color, because schools are institutions of education and most people come from all over to attend them the one place where you are most likely to find the largest amount of ethnic diversity it is at a college.
This whole thing is about control. Power and control, these officers feel empowered by controlling others!
Glad Joe see’s it that way. The other guy seems to keep making excuses like he’s 100% sure that, that’s what took place. Smh
When he said, about Texas, that they do things by the book...obviously they didn't. Guy sounds like he's struggling to maintain his world view.
Joe, get Jeff Epstein on the podcast.
its entirely possible
He is hanging out with Ken Lay.
Lol
@Jack Burton thats exactly why he said "I believe...". try reading
@Nick Aye lol virginity good one
We must be careful about speaking on what was going on in someone else’s mind and trying to sound like an authority.
Neil Dawson If you do read/listen to his book, you get to know he has done years of research, following the case in each every way.
His whole argument is about police training in America.
EXACTLY!
All in all though you could say if he didnt pull her. Over she would be alive and the way he acts makes me think very poorly of the department and shows they were not made to do there job or she wouldnt be dead
Neil Dawson this is what we should learn, this will end wars, discrimination, egos, superiority...
I’m commenting so I can come back later to write this down. Drop a couple likes👌🏾
Thank you for saying "he's 29 he's a young guy" lol im getting close to 30 and needed that
The fact you have to click an advisory before watching, you know it'll be good.
Malcolm Gladwell demonstrates precisely how a person can be very smart yet naive. That he bought the cops shtick that he was terrified in his encounter with Sandra Bland is proof positive.
It's almost like he has some sort of privilege that allowed him to think with naivety.
Is white-splaining a word? Gonna submit it to Webster. 😆
Completely agree, plus his whole "cigarette" theory was retarded lol.
You just don't get what he's saying, no where in this whole clip did he justify a single thing he did. Malcolm basically calls everything the cop did bullshit but it doesn't make him complicit of somehow excusing his actions because the guy was afraid and acted in anger. The two can exist together and Malcolms point was that he was trained to overcome "dangerous" situations by demanding compliance from a person which he condemns also. In reality acting out in anger when youre afraid is extremely common and very indicative of a bully like nature which fits this cop perfectly. Intimidation is very common for a bully and his actions and police record indicate thays exactly what and who he was. He isn't buying anything, he's acknowledging that the dude was terrified, shouldn't be and shouldn't have been trained that way and most likely would never be a good cop because he was afraid in situations he didn't need to be.
@@gatordontplaynoshit3332 no, his cigarette theory is not bullshit. That's exactly why most smokers light up. His point about the cigarette is that the kid was to stupid to pick up on a common social cue because he wasn't trained to do so.
Malcolm points are very nuanced but thays why he has good conversations with people in power and those that can influence policy. He would never accomplish anything failing against the system. If you think he'd reach the ears of a cop and change how they police in our communities by screaming and calling cops pigs and idiots and sub intelligent idiots like many other critics of the police forces then you don't understand his goals.
You're right, he's trying to get to the bottom of how he thinks and all situations, but he's just excluded the fact that he could possibly just be racist.
I was arrested under similar circumstances. I was being ticketed and lit a cigarette and the cop told me to put out the cigarette, I told him that I did not need to comply to that order, he claimed my smoking was a direct threat to him and threatened to arrest me, I refused again and he arrested me. It was a power trip and we both knew it, he was proving to me that he had power to throw me in jail for noncompliance. It is sad that this kind of power trip contributed to this poor woman's death.
You were both on a power trip, and the cop won.
@@leeroyv5345 Absurd
@@leeroyv5345 thank you. Finally an advanced human. Just listen to the damn cop and you'll be on your way shit
@@danlowe how? He was power tripping by telling the officer he didn’t have to listen. He was wrong. The cop was power tripping too, but he still has every right to tell you to stop smoking while questioning you.
@@leeroyv5345 If you approach someone, privately or on business, and they're smoking a cigarette someplace where they're allowed to, wouldn't it be rude to ask them to put it out? Why would refusing to accommodate someone being rude be a power trip? Put another way, why would anything other than submission or deferral to another person's wishes be a power trip? In this case, he was asserting his basic right to not have to follow any unlawful order. We have laws because Americans have fundamentally different opinions about what is normal. Not just roofing regulations or seat belts, but drunk diving, street fighting, even driveby shooting is all justified according to your norms. All of our safety relies on the only norms anyone has to honor being those that are pre-established codes of conduct that we can read and know then follow consistently. Without that standard, anyone could exert their will according to whatever norms they've internalized. But I also may be a sociopath who's never going to internalize anything you expect me to and the only thing that keeps me from being lynched or murdered as an outcast is this concrete, consistent standard of law. Which I regard really only so long as everyone else does. I have no delusions that we don't still live in the jungle and navigate force as the basis of society. The force to blast the cop out the window, the force to go on a manhunt for a fugitive cop killer, etc etc. But also the force to detain someone without cause and make them lose faith in the whole system to the point their norm becomes ACAB, FTP or OGCIADC. I promise you that my argument s just as much about the safety and stability of that cop as it is the guy smoking. If we're just going to start inventing rules then you have to expect way crazier and more dangerous people will create rules and we'll only resolve our normative differences through force and bloodshed.
Daniel Kemmis's Community, Politics & the Power of Place is well worth a read. These are the same debates that Jefferson and Madison had that established this system in the first place. We're not going to agree, so we defer to the majority. The majority says I can smoke in my car. If you think the majority's opinion has changed, then make it concrete in the law. Qualified immunity and executive privileges just breed unabombers and OKC bombings. What you call a power trip, I call the most basic expression of peaceful coexistence.
She wasn't in jail for 3 days for a failure to signal. Don't forget, they both went hands on. Let's state facts. She had priors and chalked up an assault on an officer, wrong, right or indifferent.
My grandpa lives in Waller County, TX where the whole Sandra Bland fiasco went down. It’s definitely a country bumpkin type place.
I don't believe that the cop was terrified and if he was, he should've never been a cop.
Unfortunately its not that simple to weed cops out
@N Mil so her not wanting to put out a cigarette is non compliant
Yeah I guess fuck the constitution and the bill of rights and the fact that were a nation of laws
What's funny is, I live in texas, I've been pulled over while smoking black andmild, cigars, etc and it was only an issue once and the cop simply asked me politely if I could put it out, since he wasnt being a dick about it i didnt mind
Please get tf with that bootlicking ass ideaology
Sincerely, Someone who has lived in the damn state 8 years and adding more to it
And fyi, she was complying with him fuck boii
@N Mil he's not a cop but I was one for 10 years. You're trained for cross fire, a chick lighting a cig shouldn't scare you unless you're literally having a mental break down. I watched the video and that sir is acting like a heroin addict when he can't get a fix, completely crazy.
Everton C Thank you no fear at all he just abused her with his “authority’ by making unlawful requests and then turning n2 a maniac when she didn’t comply.
N Mil It’s absolutely true. If you are afraid of the people you are suppose to police AND protect, you should not be a cop.
We need to hold police accountable for their actions. The lack of transparency and us vs them mentality Joe highlighted has resulted in so much human suffering.
They are accountable for their actions more so than ANY civilian... Sign up, you can see for yourself
Why are there stories like this if thats the case
@@Savevade because there are always bad apples in every barrel but that doesn't mean every apple in the barrel is bad, that's why. The problem with our society today is that we allow "The News" to exacerbate and stir up the emotions of non-thinking, closed minded individuals by Highlighting a small number of "incidents" and talking about them like they are the norm for Law Enforcement when in all actuality, it is an extremely small Fringe group of cops that act that way. Then, closed minded individuals take to social media to unknowingly help the talking heads on "The News" spread false and misleading information that foments fear, lack of trust and misplaced rage towards ALL law enforcement officers.
Thank God that the majority of us CAN think for ourselves and know that the REAL data shows that police who abuse their authority are in the minority.
And this is coming from someone who has been set up and falsely accused BY dirty cops with REAL criminals who helped them , and has spent time in many jails and state prison because of it. I just didn't allow my own experiences to make me jaded towards all cops because I took the time to research this subject for myself so I know what the actual numbers show. Ya just gotta put your intellect over your emotions, then turn of the 📺 and 👨💻 and amazingly all of that anxiety and fear will begin to disappear and will slowly be replaced by LOGIC and RATIONAL THOUGHTS. 🙄🤦
Hah if you think the police is the only problem...
Check Joe's podcast about Clemente Aguierre. The guy was sent do DEATH ROW for 14 YEARS for killing 2 women. The thing is - the daughter CONFESSED she killed her mother and grandmother, she had posts on social media how she will kill them, how she did it. Yet the absolute subhuman trash of a judge REFUSED the confessions and witnesses and wanted to kill the innocent guy, cause she is running for political post and didn't want a "looser" in her record....
The whole justice system is broken beyond belief, to the point I don't understand how you guys aren't gunning judges and prosecutors on the streets.....
@@0ne-Two no they are not, the lawsuits that are brought on due to their lack of self control and emotions come at the expense of taxpayers. It should come out of their pensions and they need an outside agency to handle their "internal investigations".
The worst time I've ever served was when I got picked up by police because my supervisor put a trespass on me for going in without a mask to check my work schedule. This was in 2020.
Somehow, wrongful confinement is worse than reasonable confinement.
It's the anger. The overwhelming resentment of having your whole life disrupted by a system that's supposed to protect you.
@@Shlogger i feel like you hit the nail on the head with this.
that mugshot gives me chills every time i see it. i was 16 when Ms. Bland passed away and it shook me to my core. i had no doubt in my mind they took that photo after her death. something about it compared to the other pictures of her just seems so void of life. Rest in power Sandra.
Bro what? No. She was alive lol
@@dakotajourdan2526if you say so lol. i know what dead people look like and that mugshot is a picture of a dead woman.
When you choose to see with only your eyes...you are easily fooled.
@@dakotajourdan2526 no she wasn’t. She was dead in that pic. Actually go look at it
Someone else "committed suicide" in the same cell she was in about a year ago
miccheck11 u mean they killed an other person in that same cell
Truther One1 I think that’s why they put it in quotations.
miccheck11 it’s a small town in Texas.. I was held in a large town in CT and there were 2 cells. That’s it. Know what you’re talking about or try asking ppl who know before you make assumptions.
@@CrustyUgg Do you know how hard it is to commit suicide while in jail? To have 2 people commit suicide in a large prison is very unlikely. The fact that it's a small jail should make it even more so. You haven't presented anything but your own personal experience that proves nothing and you're the one just assuming shit.
I lived in a back water town like this in SC, the local jail killed a kid by hanging him with shoelaces, he went to jail in flip flops. Killing people in small town is easier than you think.
The fear question is fascinating. I think if the officer had fear it wasn't an emergent, immediate fear so much as a deep-seated existential fear, an insecurity about lack of control that runs deep in authoritarian personalities.
Well said champ!!!!
Great analysis
Insightful.
Or a sense of duty that requires a lemming in this case a cop to maintain a high sense of paranoia in order to provoke innocent people into unrelenting suspects in order to meet the demands instilled by their quota.
You make sense. So they should make a psychometric test that SCREENS OUT these type of candidates from the police academy. Make it a Nationwide requirement. Let's get rid of these bad apples.
2:25 he was gonna say “that many black people” and he switched it to poor.
I worked at a college where they trained officers. They Teach Them To Jump To Conclusions!!
They were literally telling them things like "A person smoking a brown paper cigarette might be smoking pcp because if you dip a regular cig in it they look coffee stained."
They don't teach them to think, they teach them to react and to suppose you're dangerous or committing a crime.
Idk bout his cigarette theory, when I was younger I always lit up a cig when I got pulled over cause I knew I was bout to go to jail
Lol
Lol! Dang, a sure bet?! 😂 Sounds like you had a fun young-adulthood haha
Frykitty 27 same for me here in 🇬🇧
Are you black?
Hell manns no I’m not
Dude can create a scenario about her committing suicide but cant create a scenario that she was killed 🧐🤦🏾♂️
Man you hit the nail on the head fuck him
Because she had a history with suicide. 🤦🏾♂️
@@xdoxxy don't know if you paid attention but there was another gentleman who apparently committed "suicide" in that precinct. I dont think that's a coincidence. They were dirty
mike banga Well her history with attempted suicide along with the fact that; she was already upset about being arrested, her family wasn’t going to pay her bail, and the fact that the man she lived with wasn’t answering her calls so she figured he wasn’t going to either could’ve factored into this. It’s not that hard to believe she would take her own life. What is hard to believe is that they murdered her without an incentive.
@@xdoxxy all those examples doesn't correlate to suicide, plus she didn't belong in jail in the first place
This video really highlighted the difference between academic perspective and lived experience. I felt oddly disappointed.
As someone who has dealt with police both legit and otherwise, I can give you this piece of advice. When the cop comes walking up to your window make and hold eye contact. When you avoid eye contact it gives them cause to believe your hiding and or scared. Remember to take orders. Anything I just can be settled in court. Don't end up suicided.
"I will light you up" cop who pulled her over
That's why we have God and when he rests we have KARMA😈 the fate of that ignorant, infant cop is garunteed far worse than Ms.Bland's. At least she left the Earth being more respected and honored than a cop 😇🙏🏽 peace be with her and her family xo
As they totally ignore how he beat her up on the curb away from his dashboard camera 😣
Oh no
@@musicmusik9548 Some white people do. Others, like myself want this shit exposed.
Dre Smith and black ppl such as your self are hating on a whole race because a couple bad people, just like you hate all of police because of a couple shit ones that don’t deserve the badge. Grow up
@@Batmanindustries48 meanwhile cops keep on killing people, keep on fucking up their raids and raiding the wrong houses, plus all the other shit those cocksuckers do. there might be some excellent real cops, yes but cops are government. too many cops are allowed to act foul and nothing gets done about it.
@@Batmanindustries48 it's not a couple of them it's most of them
They straight up lying about her being suicidal
Not signaling when getting out of way of emergency vehicles is how you get hit by emergency vehicles
Clearly this guy has lived a pretty sheltered life and has zero experience with being pulled over in America.
If she didn't get pulled over for failure to use a turn signal she would still be alive.
Especially pulled over black in America
elchucofried I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make? Are you saying the cop should have never pulled her over in the first place?
@@jpanici Over a turn signal the cop should of explained to use her turn signal and not escalate things over a fucking cigarette. Should of gave her a warning. Cops are not there to write tickets they are there to get criminals off the street and away from society.
@dnwjzu jsjsjs I'm wrong?? Lmao only if you knew what my profession was😂😂
“These are not people playing chess.” Lmao
Very classy
Yeah, but I can tell you that they work out "plays" to standard scenarios. They don't have to originate a strategy, just copy one.
@@kristinkulman3221 I bet Kristin plays chess! Very nice
Tardtown, Texas
@G He's statistically right, a lot of idiots won't get away with murder. He never said idiots won't commit murder.
4 minutes in and this dudes energy just rubs me the wrong way smh his doubt and saying she was skipping into depression is ridiculous. How does he know???
They don’t train you to arrest people for smoking a cigarette
Joe looking at dude like.."nah man they killed her fam you tryna play it safe"
GO JOE!!!!
This is exactly the type of retardation that makes all Joe Rogan fans look bad
The crazy bitch killed herself. End of story.
@@rosephjosenbaum7130 oh ok another keyboard warrior.. niice
Brandon Foster another racial conspiracy theorist. Don’t tell me, Michael Brown has his hands up and never attacked that cop, right?
@@rosephjosenbaum7130 what kind of person runs towards a gun asshat go somewhere with ya gaslighting get some pussy, go to work, get some money ,dammit hit the gym,but dont waste my time. You sound hurt
They killed that woman. Malcolm is in denial,
So, her previous suicide attempts mean what? Her failures in life before this incident mean what? You sound like you're in denial.
Nah micheal you are denial I been to jail where is her side mugshot ? And if you pay attention it looks like the picture was taken with her laying on the floor not standing up look at other inmate photos completely different from hers
@@michaeldelyjah5696 Maybe if you read some shit about black people- HISTORY:
A. You would not have been in jail
B. Learned to be a better crook
C. Learned critical thinking. Like why weren't there or why in these kinds of cases the cameras always seem to be ON THE FRITZ?!?
D. Just cause your dumbass was in jail doesn't make you a criminal justice expert or a: "I'm gonna kill this lady because she disrespected my dumb cop ass" psycology expert.
@@michaeldelyjah5696 her failures in life are a result of white supremacy. Not her own. A lot of you white people join the police force, because nothing else panned out for you. That coupled with hatred for black people for whatever reason brings on situations like this. How about you police yourselves in this manner and let's see how long that lasts?
No sorry you didn’t get it
My buddy got pulled over while I was with him once and I was smoking a cigarette so to be nice and not blow smoke in the cops face I threw out the cig.
Long story short, they got mad they couldn't do anything about the weed I had because I had a medical Marijuana card so they gave me a 500 dollar littering ticket and 5 days community service for throwing the cigarette out the window lol
His supervisors should have noticed his tendency to pull people over for bullshit and questioned him about it. 9-10 months is a rookie. He should have been reviewed weekly.
Just watched the video again.... He was not scared he was mad.
I agree. Seems like he was angry that she wasn't obeying his every whim.
@@tizodd6 no, telling a suspect they can't smoke is not a whim, its police training 101. No hands in their pockets, no sudden moves, and no smoking, especially not any of that until backup arrives. You monday morning quarterbacks with absolutely no training have no idea what the police are trained to do. Most states require at least a 3 month academy where they are drilled every day and shown how things go bad when suspects are allowed to light cigarettes or not comply to their orders.
@@Old_School69 wow a whole 3 months no way 😱, learn some body how to read body language and how to work under pressure. I get the whole being on edge thing, but if they can't handle high stress situations the difference between them and a civilian with a gun is a badge
Jonnathan R. - Perez No I said a minimum of 3 months. That is 3 months of training after hired but most places you can't even apply unless you have a degree in a related field or 2 years of experience. Then 3 months training where you are daily shown videos of people getting killed while trying to do the job you are learning to do. I just love how everyone knows so much about a job they never did. This guy was a young cop who hadn't been doing it for long, but the stop itself is fine. "Blowing through a stop sign" was plenty of pretext to pull her over already. If she would have followed instructions, worst case scenario she would have left with a ticket. Did the cop handle it like a 20 year veteran? No, but he wasn't a 20 year veteran. You don't get experience in an academy or even in college. You just get training, and the training tells him that suspects can't smoke during the traffic stop.
He got his fragile ego hurt, she was an idiot that couldn’t follow simple instructions, and now blks think cops are lynching them for no reason and there is a epidemic of cops murdering them for no reason, give me a break already🙄
Rest in peace Sandra Bland.
Finally a voice of reason
Regardless of the times or how long ago this happened, this is absolutely infuriating.
She wouldn't comply she disobeyed every order that was given to her she sealed her own fate
The security guard at the door of my local pub shakes everyone's hand going in and hugs those he knows well.
In all my time going there, I have never seen any hassle.
Big shout-out to Tony who works the door at Impala in Cork city Ireland.
☘️ ☘️💪🏽💪🏽🥊🥊
TOOOOONNNNNNYYYYYYYY
Wtf does that have to do with American cops?
Conner Gil He’s giving an example of a deescalation technique, and an observation about how effective it has been. Contrast that with this officers approach to the traffic stop.
@@kftc1980 Exactly Kevin - Thank you.
28 minutes of this guy making excuses for and overcomplicating this whole situation.
jhunt32004 The cop must have been a Jew. I’m almost certain since they came up with “She committed suicide” story. “Let’s go look up her suicidal background so we can at least say this is all the proof we need even though we don’t need any because she’s black.”
I’m sorry but who exactly are u referring to when you say: this guy??
More like you're the one making excuses for murderers in uniform.
Nope. Police have done messed up things to me. Anytime I get pulled over I am aware it could be the last time I am here on earth.
@@Huvrkrft I won't even guess race, racism can even be towards your own race.
Years later and we still don’t have an answer ?
This girl was a woman a Lady. A Queen 👑
Period!
My best friends brother came back from service and joined the police academy .Let’s just say I am now terrified for my safety after he told me the mentality the department carries .
EXACTLY
Care to elaborate? What are some examples
Pink
Just try not to be a jerkoff and you'll be fine... its not that hard
@@GhostBroKB I was bum raped by a sherif whrn I was only 39
This man mindset that killers can't reside in small towns is mind blowing. He is the reason so many bad things go unchecked.
It's crazy that he makes it seem like small towns down south are full of idiots. There's corruption and abuses of power everywhere.
Yeah I thought that was kinda ignorant & made me feel like he was kinda stupid himself if that’s truly how he thinks
I saw him recently in a debate with Douglas Murray. According to Malcom here, we should trust the MSM, as they’ve never lied to us. He got his proverbial ass handed to him by Murray, of course. Man isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed.
This man is totally out of touch and toned, especially in small towns in Texas that is exactly where killings go on especially when you’re black there’s some of the most racist crimes being committed in the small towns of Texas everybody knows that and the fact that there’s redness needed that she committed suicide. It’s complete bullshit and I am pissed.
@@sweett8725 what a load of bullshit lol, “racist crimes” always one to pull the race shit
He hit that woman in her face like she was his wife and he didn’t get fired or unalived yet 😩
so you hit your wife in the face? classic ngr.
@@Man.Well93 nope classic crkr lol
Don't care what the beliefs are, never hit your woman...coward escape move from your tantrum, we men are strong in the mind.
@@pablonator3000able take your beliefs to your own section lol
@@duncanpenderhughes8865 they aren't my beliefs its the way of life and I will correct it as so.
any cop can come up with a 'valid' reason to pull you over anytime.
He was fired for lying in his statement
Doesnt matter. Google what I say for yourself: he'll just get rehired by another precinct. Happens all the fuckin' time. P.O.S. cop gets fired from one precinct then just gets rehired by another.
@@Blexxor12 "cops" aren't employed by "precincts." Precincts are geographical areas of command and control for a police department and are used to manage manpower and resources. Police Officers aka "cops" are generally employed by Cities or Towns. Deputies are generally employed by counties.
Blexxor12 is another Internet expert, about something he knows very little about, whose ability to demonstrate his ignorance is really what we should be talking about.
@RIC REMIXX exactly
@trufiend138 Exactly what I was thinking. He is what I call a well spoken idiot. He can sound articulate but he makes little sense. He also sounds like he is full of assumptions.
This video is absolutely fascinating. I’m hearing every excuse being offered for this officer’s actions that day. He improperly arrested this woman which subsequently led to her death. The officer was not the victim he was the perpetrator. Stop justifying wrongdoing because the wrong doer has a badge.
Right. This guy claims to know nothing but constantly pushing she committed suicide. Pure bs.
As with most irrational behaviours.. it only takes one positive reinforcement of the behavior to bring it right back to the forefront
Malcolm Gladwell and me are from the same province in Canada - Ontario. Our police cars are black and white (OPP cars) and he's on here claiming to not understand why LA cop cars are painted black and white. Weird.
None of this explains jail for 3 days
@D DLedge not the point. Everything in this case suggests that she should not have been arrested.
@D DLedge If you are a fearful person you have no business being a public servant. I am a veteran and fear is not allowed. The law needs to respect itself and stop their lying! If you are a fearful person you need to get a desk job somewhere or work in a laundrymat where the only thing to be scared of is inanimate things like fluff and fold or a computer mouse! SNOWFLAKE!
D DLedge she should have been arrested in the first place
D DLedge a traffic violation isn’t a huge crime she could have easily gotten a warning or ticket at most not 3 days in jail
Around here you’re automatically arrested if you have outstanding warrants/unpaid prior court fees/tickets in the thousands, etc. and then most of the time your car is impounded regardless of the situation at hand. Upon arrest you are in the holding cell till you appear before the judge who then determines your release. If this happened end of day and judge went home she’d be detained overnight, or on a Friday and judge is gone till Monday she’d be their guest for the weekend.
A major problem is that cops don't get the concept that making rude comments is not cause for physical force.
I comment on every bad cop video that it starts with their training and I'm constantly attacked. Not one exception. Hilarious.
Mr. Rogan ,
You have my upmost respect the way you stood your point and called out certain things about the case .
Imagine becoming famous after you die and you never even know it.
imagine TRYING to make a funny youtube comment about a dead person.
TheLegendOfKoop doesn’t seem like he’s trying to be funny
@@iamkoopa22 I laughed.
@@verzinghettorix6360 just let him.
If
2 +2 =11
It sure does.
Pleab
So many comments here against Malcolm Gladwell. He’s not defending the officer, when he says he is the perfect officer because he did what he was trained to do he is bringing into question the efficacy of the training. He is pointing out that there is a problem with the system, therefore we can’t be surprised when officers do what they are trained to do. He’s saying we need to address the training, go deeper, all the way to the roots so we can be effective.
Only option is to defund and change the purpose of the police. I’m perfectly okay with police being armed, only if going into a situation that would be deemed dangerous. There’s no reason to have a weapon on a traffic stop, no reason being armed responding to a noise complaint or a mental health check up. Sure if you’re responding to an armed robbery it would be smart to have a firearm and to be trained in using it but what purpose is that serving in any non violent dispute except to heighten the intensity of a situation. Public services should be expanded at the expense of the police budget to handle the non violent disputes that police are expected to deal with daily while the acting Police can respond to the situations that actually put people in danger. While we’re at it let’s decriminalize all drugs and victimless crimes.
@@nolanyoung8786 The main issue with this is that the police dont actually know who is and who isnt armed, what you are suggesting could mean many officers killed in the line of duty because they are showing up to what should be a peaceful dispute and the people involved are armed or on a drug that makes them extremely violent. Noise complaints can go from, just that a noise complaint, to a full blown shoot out in a split second if the people in question have warrants or are just full blown crazy. Cops have been ambushed during traffic stops many many times, a young female officer was executed during a traffic stop by some one that had nothing to do with the situation.... We cant send these people out unarmed, that's just suicide especially with the massive issues America has with drug related violence, the police need a total reform and more training for those who are mentally fit to be in that position.
@@nolanyoung8786 Your argument portends that somehow because someone has something that is a weapon that they bring the violence of other people upon themselves. Please provide me with studies that show that is the case, and once you have done that, please consider the criminals actions and why they would act in such a way to begin with. In this case she did nothing wrong except the traffic violation, but the argument you put forth always seems to ignore the criminality of the other side.
@@nolanyoung8786 OK SO WHAT YOUR SAYING IS.... If a call comes in there has to be a decision weather it's a violent or non violent event then when that's Figured out the responding officer would have to go retrieve a gun from somewhere then head to the call ?? Well that Sounds COMPLETELY FN DUMB !!
Well, he's wrong. This isn't police protocol! They're not trained to pull someone over for a traffic violation and then remove them from their car? Really? Thats not suppose to happen but that is what he did. So in pointing out the police officers doing what he is trained to do is false. That is why people are writing a negative response to his narrative and we're right and he's wrong... Sandra's family settled the wrongful death lawsuit against Texas for 1.9 million. I think that's not enough and with what the officer did constitutes a civil rights lawsuit as well.
Hundreds of traffic stops in nine months? This is ridiculous and harassment
That was my mom neighbor, I can still hear her voice telling my mom I’m just going to Texas for housing I’ll be back” if you can survive living in Chicago she most definitely can survive 3 days in jail….
@4:20 "It's insane that you can keep someone in jail for three days for a failure to signal..."
-Wait until he finds out how "civil forfeiture" works.
wargriffin5 She was kept in jail for unpaid fines.
wargriffin5 Civil forfeiture? 46 yrs I’ve been on this planet and I Never heard of such a term! Probably cuz it doesn’t exist!
Don you have access to the internet and still posted that
@@urgfswallows civil forfeiture definitely exists. And long story short it means that if the police think you will commit a crime with something they can take your property. Then you'd have to go to court a prove you weren't going to use it to commit a crime. Say you're driving across the country with $3,000 and get pulled over. You're car's plates and drivers license is from another state and you have all that money. In some states they can assume you're going to buy drugs and keep your money.
@@urgfswallows Oh yeah.. It exists.
From her point of view:
Car got towed and now it will be $200 a day that impound has it.
Will be in jail for a month before I can go to court because I cant pay bail.
That means I lost my new job.
That means I lose my apartment.
Car will be gone.
In her eyes her life was over. She would get out and be homeless because she smoked a cigarette.
This is a lot of peoples situation in the areas where cops patrol heavy.
Sometimes you have to submit to the road Kings regardless of how wrong or unfair it is.
@@phataton8206 lol road kings
She had a fatal seizure in the cell after having her head slammed on the ground and not allowed access to her anti seizure meds. Period. Breaks my heart!
@@carynmartin6053
^this
I live in small town Tennessee and I have been pulled over before and told not to light a cigarette even if I explicitly say/ask I’m reaching for a lighter/cigarette. I can understand why the police want to know what you’re doing with your hands but in all reality these cops need to better understand how to de-escalate a situation or at the very least not unnecessarily escalate a situation to the point of being physical or arresting a person over a bs technical issue. I cannot wrap my head around ppl caught on the carousel of court/fines are expected to ever get out.
This story makes me completely paranoid as to the police and their motives. I grew up in small town Pennsylvania, literally Amish/Mennonite territory, and the one cop they had on patrol at any time would act like Barney Fife. No lie. They were trained to make you feel watched, if you ran a stop sign you would be afraid they were going to drag you out of the car and BANG, in the back of the head.
I think that we veterans & service members are better trained to deal with tense situations. We are trained to not let our fear control us.
A lot of these civilian police seem to be trained to be fearful.
Three things that can change that:
1. longer, BETTER training, like other developed nations have.
2. More strict rules of engagement.
3. Fitting punishments for officers who violate the laws & rules of engagement.
You kill babies in foreign countries under false pretenses
@@nixonesport1998 and farmers
Prïnçë Nïxön Yep you’re definitely a civilian 😂
@@nixonesport1998, I've killed as many babies as you have molested. GTFOH with that lame sh...! Nobody I served with killed any babies. Does it happen from time to time, yes. But, those people are sociopaths who have no business being in the military or in civil societies. Unfortunately, it also happens during air strikes. Sometimes it is politicians (i.e., the commander in chief) or military leaders who order strikes that result in civilian deaths). But I do not know anyone who has or would kill babies or any other unarmed non-combatants.
Prïnçë Nïxön it’s funny how you attempt to mock him and his service but when the country is under pressure, you’re first cry is for the soldier to defend your home country lol. You’re a fool for dislikes, think it’s time to grow up.
I feel like the whole situation could have been solved by the police station being more transparent. The only cure to conspiracy theories is the truth. They did so much weird stuff--releasing part of the tape, weird stuff about the autopsy with her family, not cooperating with the family's lawyer.
I have no idea if the police killed her or not. I feel like that is a serious problem.
She died after she was taken into custody...how do u not know she was killed by them? What more proof do you need? If you watch the video, then add up the facts, on top of the fact that she never left from being in their possession its common sense that she died on their watch. She didn't commit suicide. They killed her and it wasn't an inmate
This situation could be solved if people are not taken into custody over bs in the first place.
She was killed but not by the officer who pulled her over
nykima wright She killed herself. She had a history with self harm. The cops were negligent but they weren’t murderers.
@guy man What the hell are you even talking about?
The fact that this guy has no clue about what Joe was talking about when he said that the cop might have a chip on his shoulder is concerning to say the least. That is one hell of a blind spot to have especially when dealing with corrupt officials.
Correct me if im wrong, but although it’s ruled a suicide they didn’t have the security footage right ? Like the guest says she had a history of suicide etc, thats a good way to show motive for suicide but for some reason they never showed the footage from the cameras so thats the major red flag… so yea definitely not a suicide until proven. (Im open to being corrected)
Biggest red flag is that she was in jail for three days. I feel like the author glazed over that and I'm glad Joe brought it up. He's talking about how quickly things escalated but what happened in those three days.
Authority is one hell of a drug
the biggest
Respect my authoritayyyy, power in any form is definitely addictive and used in ways it shouldn't be
Have you tried dmt
@DjRawd0g true
this dude seems like he is making a lot of presumptions about a situation that he was not involved in
Cops do it 🤷🏽♀️ except when they do it costs lives
Malcolm Gladwell isn’t just some dude. Your ignorance is showing.
Mimi Brown 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You obviously don’t know difference of presumptions on scene versus outside looking in. Fuck outta here 🤣🖕🏻
agreed, i was really interested Joe was going to talk about this one, then started listening to this guy,...what a waste.
He sounds like one of those English teachers that blows books out of proportion.
It is not against the law for an adult to smoke a cigarette! Absolutely ridiculous on this cop
Territorial monopolies on violence never work for those that are not in control