The advice about women seeking a man with high status is a left over from the old days when women had no status, and had to depend entirely on their male family members. If a woman can earn a living on her own, that's not gonna be very big priority for her
Glad to see your anecdote disproves a general trend. Also, society "changing" (as if it isn't actively being changed) so that women's social status is increased relative to men's has coincided with a massive decline in family formation and fertility. Prehistoric hunter-gatherer gender roles should not be assumed to be in any way suited to civilization.
Thank you! I've dated women who I believed were completely out of my league before, and this video helps explain why in a way that Peterson's old-fashioned moralizing cannot. Love is mutual, not hierarchical.
Thank you so much for this video! Finally, someone who makes sense in all this Peterson's controversy! He only uses the statistics that seem to support his retrograde point of view! Amen to what YOU say!
1:49 Disagree. He says that they are multiple hierarchies in which people (men AND women) can compete to appeal each other (not only one just money-status based). Also, people can create new ones in order to that.
Nonetheless Peterson does place a lot of weight on social status and talk a lot about getting a job and men earning more than women because women generally want to look after children. So this made a counter-balance to that. AND YET Peterson has spoken of high-power women e.g. lawyers (same sort of employment tier as vets, right? :P) who mate across and up hierarchies and can't find what they want, so end up settling for someone of lower status. Also, being handsome, funny, interesting, good to live around, a good father etc maximizes the chances of producing attractive and intelligent off-spring, so even if the payoffs aren't immediately very high it makes sense from an evo-psyche perspective, especially if resources aren't scarce. So perhaps the problem isn't evo-psyche, but whether or not we're applying evo-psyche rigorously, or failing scientific rigour, with the right 'calibration to reality'. Yes, it can tilt towards pseudo-science, but I think it can make a useful lense -- and with other lenses corroborating it, it can point us towards truths. I can't remember what Peterson calls this -- multiple somethings, I think! Anyway, yes good video, but I'm also pretty happy with this defence. XD
I have a job and am physically attractive but I'm on the spectrum and live with my parents as a student. So I dont know if lack of status is a set in stone thing but I do think my value is less in womens eyes because of circumstances
Living with your folks is rough. I have been there and women are really turned off by it. But I don't think being on the spectrum is an insurmountable problem. I know lots of people on it who find good matches. I think even guys who aren't would do well to work on their social skills. I like Dan Savage's advice to just try and become a well-rounded person while you are in a situation where it is difficult to attract women. So that when your situation changes you are ready. It gets better.
@@NeverSpeakInAbsolutes I'm trying to move out but being a student in a high income/low density area make that difficult at times. Cost od living makes it hard to think about moving out in my current situation, but I am as of this writing working on saving up to try.
@@NeverSpeakInAbsolutes Also I rarely ask anyone out simply because I anticipate a cringe. I've given my number out and gotten no text back...and most dating advice is for neurotypicals so I've had to make things up as I go along to accommodate.
@@sawbonesquad4876 maybe try and join a social club of sorts (book club, sports, etc) and just focus on making friends with women instead of going straight to dating. I was friends with my bf for 2 years before we started dating.
We're not living in a prehistoric society, so why use it as proof. And, there are reason why prehistoric societies no longer exists. He needs to stop living in the past.
I love your videos so far bro. But you're wrong on this one man. This is actually one of the things that Peterson has gotten right. If you don't believe what Peterson has said about women then you're either blind or in denial because you don't have the qualities of a high status male. And thats hard to come to terms with.
The advice about women seeking a man with high status is a left over from the old days when women had no status, and had to depend entirely on their male family members. If a woman can earn a living on her own, that's not gonna be very big priority for her
This is a quote, so it's good to put a '>' before it or put it in quotation marks -- or something.
Glad to see your anecdote disproves a general trend.
Also, society "changing" (as if it isn't actively being changed) so that women's social status is increased relative to men's has coincided with a massive decline in family formation and fertility.
Prehistoric hunter-gatherer gender roles should not be assumed to be in any way suited to civilization.
My dog sure heard this comment.
Let alone a fault understanding of evolutionary society based on midcdntjry modern ideals and stereotypes. 😉
Thank you!
I've dated women who I believed were completely out of my league before, and this video helps explain why in a way that Peterson's old-fashioned moralizing cannot. Love is mutual, not hierarchical.
that žižek clip of him going to town on a hamburger is amazing. he really is a racoon come to life.
Thank you so much for this video! Finally, someone who makes sense in all this Peterson's controversy! He only uses the statistics that seem to support his retrograde point of view! Amen to what YOU say!
3:05 instant sub
Hierarchy, imo, is much more of a man thing. It's so much more about impressing other men (status) than it is about impressing women (if you ask me).
1:49 Disagree.
He says that they are multiple hierarchies in which people (men AND women) can compete to appeal each other (not only one just money-status based). Also, people can create new ones in order to that.
Oh yeah... and the things that Rebel Bass are suggesting landed him HIS wife *could* be seen as Peterson's 'winning the set of all the games'.
Nonetheless Peterson does place a lot of weight on social status and talk a lot about getting a job and men earning more than women because women generally want to look after children. So this made a counter-balance to that. AND YET Peterson has spoken of high-power women e.g. lawyers (same sort of employment tier as vets, right? :P) who mate across and up hierarchies and can't find what they want, so end up settling for someone of lower status.
Also, being handsome, funny, interesting, good to live around, a good father etc maximizes the chances of producing attractive and intelligent off-spring, so even if the payoffs aren't immediately very high it makes sense from an evo-psyche perspective, especially if resources aren't scarce. So perhaps the problem isn't evo-psyche, but whether or not we're applying evo-psyche rigorously, or failing scientific rigour, with the right 'calibration to reality'. Yes, it can tilt towards pseudo-science, but I think it can make a useful lense -- and with other lenses corroborating it, it can point us towards truths. I can't remember what Peterson calls this -- multiple somethings, I think!
Anyway, yes good video, but I'm also pretty happy with this defence. XD
@@yosiph1971 yeah I was thinking, the whole "settling" thing is just his way of not having to walk back his theory when something disproves it.
I have a job and am physically attractive but I'm on the spectrum and live with my parents as a student. So I dont know if lack of status is a set in stone thing but I do think my value is less in womens eyes because of circumstances
Living with your folks is rough. I have been there and women are really turned off by it. But I don't think being on the spectrum is an insurmountable problem. I know lots of people on it who find good matches. I think even guys who aren't would do well to work on their social skills. I like Dan Savage's advice to just try and become a well-rounded person while you are in a situation where it is difficult to attract women. So that when your situation changes you are ready. It gets better.
@@NeverSpeakInAbsolutes I'm trying to move out but being a student in a high income/low density area make that difficult at times. Cost od living makes it hard to think about moving out in my current situation, but I am as of this writing working on saving up to try.
@@NeverSpeakInAbsolutes Also I rarely ask anyone out simply because I anticipate a cringe. I've given my number out and gotten no text back...and most dating advice is for neurotypicals so I've had to make things up as I go along to accommodate.
@@sawbonesquad4876 maybe try and join a social club of sorts (book club, sports, etc) and just focus on making friends with women instead of going straight to dating. I was friends with my bf for 2 years before we started dating.
@@Hollow-ty3qm i meet people a lot in classes, gyms etc, as friends.
yeah so what does your wife look like
Rude
We're not living in a prehistoric society, so why use it as proof. And, there are reason why prehistoric societies no longer exists. He needs to stop living in the past.
I love your videos so far bro. But you're wrong on this one man. This is actually one of the things that Peterson has gotten right. If you don't believe what Peterson has said about women then you're either blind or in denial because you don't have the qualities of a high status male. And thats hard to come to terms with.
Hahahahahahahaaaa
@@NeverSpeakInAbsolutes lol great response
Misrepresentation of JP's character. You are motivated by "malevolence". That's the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth.
Spoken like a true JP parrot.. sad but it is the truth..
Keep listening to JP and keep being an incel...