N'zoth should have been what they're trying to make the Jailer. A master planner who subtly had his hand in every plot since Warcraft 3, all building up to his release at the end of BFA, then they should have made a whole expansion dedicated to fighting the full might of an unleashed Old God. I mean, for years, the two major villains of wow were the Burning Legion and the Old Gods, so it's just a disappointment that the last Old God we faced, who was built up since Cata, ended up only being a real threat in a single patch where he was only present in two zones, and then got blown up by walmart bargain bin anime blast.
they still could have a huge plottwist, that we never defeated nzoth and he instead corrupted our minds into thinking about the whole jailer thing, and make us realize there was never a bad jailer and that the jailer we know of is nzoth
Wow was best when those were the big bad. They have potential with the void lords and whatever else was on that map in chronicles but I stopped giving a fuck a long time ago
They could of maybe make his presence more noticeable throughout the expansion so that stuff like the faction war would feel more like a ticking time bomb for N'Zoth to take over azeroth instead of just making his move during a single patch and also getting yeeted in that same patch.
Watch Asmongold react to the Warbringers: Azshara cinematic from a few years ago and see how excited he was. N'Zoth had this really creepy and soft voice communicating with Azshara. The 8.3 voice lines are cool in their own way but his voice kinda ended up sounding like evil Barry White. The build up during 9.1.5 and his release in 9.2 was hype as fuck. But 8.3 just felt weak because how they decided to only let him manifest in two key locations where there was old titan reorigination tech. And the ending cinematic... OH GOD NO
Yeah. BFA should faction war + naga/Azhara expansion (Nazjatar deserves more than one zone), and N'zoth should be in 10.0 after comeback from Shadowlands.
Good to see people recognize VanCleef as a chad. Defias storyline is surprisingly good shit if you pay attention to it and I love how they're a big deal for the first 30 levels as Classic Alliance.
@@jamestomlin5525 I always found the smaller villains and their organizations more interesting than the world ending threats. Defias Brotherhood, Scarlet Crusade, Syndicate being outlaws from Alterac, etc.
Playing trough classic and experiencing the Defias storyline was so awesome. Thats how a proper storyline is implemented in a game! WoW sure could learn more from WoW!
True. One moment he is talking about honor and how wrong it was to kill innocent people in war at Stonetalon. Next moment he does the very same thing to theramore… lol
Eh, Archimonde is one of the cases when writers clearly did not signalised his personality enough in-game despite him having one. There is some quests on Macaree (or how it called nowadays) and in Legion as a whole which tells us some additional info about him. Iirc he was not only the most brutish leader of the Eredar but also the most curious one, because he as a scholar found Void powers by himself and even contacted Nathrezim before Sargeras came. Also he executed gambit to overthrow his former master Talkiel and all of that was way before Burning Legion deal. Last but not least he was the only one who immediatly recognized Sargeras' intentions unlike KJ who was simply fooled. But Archimode was just cool with that because in the end of the day he is a power hungry psychopath, which is understandable for somebody that strong and that smart. Tl;dr Archimonde is way cooler that he seems to be, but to to acknowledge it you need to do some lore dig and make some assumptions.
There was not enough drama and fuss about Archimonde throughout the whole story for people to consider him "top tier villain", but the first association for me is always Archimonde and Guldan. No alignment - just avatars of pure evil.
@@leeroyjenkins385i do not understand this. When i played wc3 and archi showed up, i was totally terrified and blown away. I knew his arrival bore utter destruction for azeroth, if it wasnt for some ancient druid magic/knowledge that literally only malfurion knew about, then archie woulda slaughtered us all. Thats all part of Archimondes character and our perception of him. Its supposed to be total shock and awe. He doesnt require some detailed tragic backstory. Hes one of the most powerfully evil forces in the cosmos. And he's just a lieutenant.
Did Asmon forget that it was Archimonde that destroyed Dalaran with a mere sand castle magic? I'm starting to think his lore knowledge isn't as good as people think.
Onyxia literally created the Defias Brotherhood by moving all the pieces around Stormwind political decisions, She kidnapped Varian and manipulated high members of the alliance to let the black dragonflight schemes not be interfered in eastern kingdoms. She should've an S tier for sure.
43:12 knew it was coming and somehow still felt really good anyway. I just don't think there's anything in WoW that can be more iconic than the Lich King. You know that you've made such an awesome character that even folks who are unfamiliar with Warcraft recognise him
@@HappyroosterYT I don't think the technicals matter. It was plenty symbolic on so many levels. Like OC stated, there's nothing more iconic in WoW and they treated it like garbage. Power grabs and floorings can be fun, but everything about YAS QUEEN was lame. I'm pretty sure this is a Universal Truth written down somewhere in an ancient book, by men with exceedingly long beards and completely nonexistent hairlines.
Cho'Gall probably has some of the best voice acting in the game. The interaction between the two heads and his insane cutist apocalyptic ramblings are just too good.
@@fistofram5526 Ah yeah, the expac that made every single bad system that is currently the reason wow's been declining (minus item RNG from forging) Before you say it, Dungeon finder in wrath was fine, and boomers lied about their experiences.
@@PagingDoctorGuy Lol, what systems? You better actually elaborate or you're just gonna sound like a poser. Today's WoW has NOTHING to do with 10+ year old WoW.
Archimonde was quite a good villain in WC3 though. The way he gave his speech when he entered the world and straight up continued to destroy Dalaran, then just orders around both the leader of the dreadlords and pit lords to do his dirty work, and how close he got to succeed in destroying the world tree which caused all the factions to unite against him just to hold him off. They didn't do him any justice in WoD though.
You put it perfectly. I remember all the effort that went into summoning him too; it was half the purpose of the Scourge. When they succeeded he just stepped in, made light of all the high civilization/magic of Dalaran - which had been huge thorn in the Legions' side for so long - and proceeded to destroy their city like one would a sandcastle! There's not too much explicit buildup - his evil kind of gravitas spoke for itself. That's how you write a villain that is in a league of his own in terms of power. Very hard to make it cool and not cheesy(any 'surprise tier' TV villain); not overly expected and overemphasized(yuck, Thanos) nor annoyingly out of the blue and boring(sigh, Jailer). Also there's not that many 'Great General' archetypes in fiction that I know of, but these are some of the coolest characters in real world history.
Not to mention how much of a menace he was to the Night Elves ten thousand years ago. I feel like him snapping Malorne's neck is one of the bigger not in game moments in the lore, like Broxigar fighting off demons in the portal. At least Archimonde lost a few times against Azeroth, Kil'Jaeden tried once and blew tf up.
Ner'zhul to me added so much to Arthas's fall to the Lich King. The original Warcraft being "orcs vs humans" and the spirit of that was fully embodied in the two major heroes of the humans / orcs becoming one through the powers of the forzen throne. A human paladin fused with an orc warlock. The origins of the undead is the fusion of humans with orcs. It's a nice touch. Ner'zhul was trapped in a frozen prison and forged Frostmourne, speifically targeted Arthas to become the vessel and corrupted him. The whole reason was simply to escape the frozen throne.
Was a good one to follow up the cataclysm for sure. They really hit the nail on the head with the exploration vibes. Really hope they come even remotely close to those feelings with Dragonflight but not holding my breath! Cheers
It's sad to see what became of N'zoth. I remember hearing about him in Cataclysm, and slowly over time during the next few expansions learning more about his character and what he was responsible for. Realizing that he is the true lord of the nightmare, that it was him that corrupted both Deathwing and Azshara, felt so fucking cool. The fact that he was such a huge and powerful character that was hiding somewhere at the bottom of the ocean also made it feel much more mysterious and menacing. I used to ride around for hours in Vash'jr looking for any deep places that he could possibly be located in, and I felt actual fear looking down into the black depths that are out of reach of the players realizing he might be sitting there. I think BFA rushed him and turned his character from a quiet, mysterious and menacing force similar to C'thun into a bashful, arrogant tyrant more on the lines of Deathwing or Garrosh, which was definitely not fitting for an Old God. To me, an Old God is a cold, emotionless being, something that never gets frustrated or angry as we saw in BFA. I would have also preferred fighting him deep under the ocean as opposed to fighting him in a big generic volcano land. I think N'zoth's raid was more fitting for Deathwing, and it would have been so much cooler had N'zoth been located deep below where we fought Azshara in the cold darkness of the bottom of the ocean. Had Blizzard stayed true to their original design of N'zoth, I think he would have been an S tier and by far the coolest Old God.
I guess i'm the only one who thinks N'Zoth is one the coolest characters in the game. I found all his prophecies really cool and he possesses all of us and makes us stronger for a reason we still don't know why.
Where is the Legend of Stavlan of duskwood? he is such a villan. He was in love with a child, but her parents did not approve, so in heartbreak and rage Stavlan kills her and her parents. You get to follow all the letters between the family and Stavlan
A common trend with a lot of these bosses is the fact they are explained outside the game, and just thrown in game with almost no background. Because Blizzard in game storytelling is rubbish. So those in higher ranks are mostly those they did a good job in developing and explaining them in game. And some of those in lower ranks are again Blizzard’s fault in making them look stupid.
Lei Shen was well introduced in game in handful of quests. Idk why blizz couldn't pull that off for other bosses. Like we do not need or expect everyone to have as much introduction in game as Arthas, just give us how little Lei Shen had, but also do as good of job doing it.
Deathwings story is great, wasn't properly done in Cata. He deserved so much more, much like N'Zoth, like Garrosh. He's one of my favourite villains and happy he put him in A tier.
Yeah he participated in war of the anciants and annahilated his allies and enemies alike, he had more extreme approch to how to deal with threats, he's the one who almost exterminated the blue dragonflight and caused Malygos to go mad
The list is definitely missing a few great villains. Where are Anub'Arak, Lady Vashj, both of Ragnaros' Majordomos, Gruul, Sindragosa? Meanwhile we have Medivh (barely even a villain), Thermaplugg (lol what), Mythrax and Garona. smh Mostly agree with Asmon here, but Archimonde should be A simply because of WC3, and Yogg is a personal S because of his personality
There's also no Loken in the list. People don't seem to realize how much of an influential character he was in terms of what went down at Ulduar. Sadly, the game did him no justice by making him a dungeon boss. Def should have been the second or third to last boss in Ulduar.
The issue with Zul'jin is that he's... Not really a villain... Not particularly. He just really fucking disagreess with the Horde that suddenly chose the allegiance of his archenemies after MANY YEARS OF SERVICE TO THEM. Imagine that... You are homies with these greenskins, you fight alongside them against elves and humans, you having a good time. You beat them a bunch of times, then you are captured by a bunch of knife ears, tortured by them and you only escape because you were badass enough to cut off your own arm. THEN the new Horde leader shows up with an entourage of the very same elves and goes like "Hey friend, come meet my new best friends!". HE'S REASONABLY FUMING! Thrall's horde betrayed Zul'jin, it would be the same as if Jaina was suddenly going to forgive Garrosh because he decided to join the alliance! BOTH ARE INCREDIBLY UNLIKELY TO HAPPEN IN THE FIRST PLACE! Zul'jin is A+-tier, but he's not really a villain.
Edwin VanCleef is one of the best villains i've read based on the lore. Apart from the three eredars promised power and arthras and the lich king. Edwin's story was such a great story in a timeline where the alliance was screwed unless they had a massive effort rebuilding stormwind. Who ever wrote the story for Edwin did an outstanding job and I'd like to think they focus more on these stories and characters that have good plot behind them in their history. Dragonflight seems to be doing well there with the story at least which is a difference from shadowlands.
Thassarian = Human death knight, famous for dual wielding swords and close friend of Koltira Deathweaver. Thaurissan = Emperor of of the dark iron dwarves and son-in-law of Magni Bronzebeard. Know the difference. (Yes, I'm fun at parties.)
4:54 Was he though? He's just known because of his involvement with Arthas. All he did was lure Arthas to Northrend to become the lich kings champion. He was just a carrot on a stick, that got eaten by the donkey in the end. "One of the more interesting dreadlords" my ass. How he's placed above Tichondrius and Varimathras or even close to A tier is a mistery to me.
I believe it's because of his impact in the story and what he did in stratholme in reign of chaos and also due to nostalgia, like he was the most relevant dreadlord in warcraft 3 that did anything meaninfull, and was one of the 2 that had more than 30 seconds presence in the game as whole back then, the other one is Tichondrieus
I guessed your top three correctly! Azshara is my favourite. I loved her lore and based my elf on her way back in classic. I was super excited to see her return, and her cinematic with N'Zoth was one of the best cinematics we've had. I'm sure we'll see her again at some point. I'm just hoping they don't ruin her, like they did with Sylvanas.
I love how he says Cho'Gal is one of his favorite villains but then on the very next villain which is Deathwing he has nothing good to say about but still puts him above Cho'Gal.
Tier lists in a nutshell. DW has more overall impact on the world physically and narratively. An aspect who was driven mad by the whispers of the very earth he was tasked to protect. So corrupted that he tears the world asunder when set free. It's a good set up, even if it ended up flopping overall. That's on the writers...
Magtheridon was trusted with all of outland and It took Illidan and an army to take him down. He was then captured imprisoned and constantly had his blood siphoned to later be killed in said prisoned. Even in this weakenss state it still took a whole army to bring him down for good. Mannaroth was soloed by a single axe strike.....twice.
I think they also gave him the voice actor of the character introduction screen so you got that as well. You also have the kinda creepy introduction of him in the 5 man dungeon called the blood furnace or whatever it was called where he was basically calling all his jailers a bunch of pussies.
I want KT to come back as often as possible, to the point where he gets to know our characters and talks trash with a severity depending on how many times we have beaten him
"You? *Again!?* ... Fine. But just... Give me a moment to give Mr. Bigglesworth the Third a hug. So. How are the kids? In college now? ... Oh, well *that's* disappointing. You know, it doesn't matter how many times you beat me, it won't make your children better. You should have beat *them* more instead."
"Beware all who trespass here are- oh come onnn!!! Do you cretins have nothing better to do but to follow me around?! You'll never find my true phylactery.. just give it up! I'm not even causing trouble, I'm craft brewing!"
@@Sunmourn *slams his morning coffee and newspaper down* "Oh come ON! I'm having breakfast! It's not even EVIL breakfast, it's just gilnean crumpets and darnassian bleu!"
@@KORNEWARRIOR Still waiting for a fel themed race that turned good to this day because if Sylvannas can be redeemed, then I'm pretty sure everyone could.
Fun Fact: the Malygos art used in this tier list is from hearthstone, where they have found out that the art is actually supposed to depict Kalecgos, even though the art is on a Malygos card
You know what's even worse? The jailers motivation was that he needed all the power so that he could protect the world "from what is coming". Power scaling is going to go even higher, and an even newer puppetmaster of the puppetmaster is going to be revealed. Literally no one left but whatever spawned the old gods, so it's either them or new random actual puppetmaster Jailer 2: electric boogaloo.
Ner'zhul remains to this day as one of the biggest examples of how to waste an awesome character. The guy used to be one of the franchises main villains, and is to this day the only villain who "won" 2 times in a row. Both WC2 and WC3 ended with Ner'zhul getting what he wanted. And then, from WotLK onward, Blizz just constantly shafted the guy, bc Arthas became the most popular character and they wanted to push that idea.
It just came to me that we haven't seen Arthas in Shadowlands. This is was like the most natural thing for me entering Shadowlands and it still hasn't happened yet. What a shame.
The most powerful death knights within Naxxramas are the four horsemen. They represent the pinnacle of Kel'Thuzad's guard. The first, Thane Korth'azz, holds the power of flame. The next, Lady Blaumeux, calls forth the power of shadows, drawing the souls of the living into the voracious embrace. Sir Zeliek, a paladin in life, so strong in his faith, that even in undeath, the power of the light still heeds his call, smiting his foes in battle. The final death knight, Lord Mograine, was the finest warrior that the death knights had ever seen. However, after the events of Azeroth, he vanished without a trace. Kel'Thuzad has appointed Baron Rivendare in his place. Feel you didnt give Baron enough cred, man.
No no Van Cleff IS a villain. It’s his actions that made him villainous not his motivations. His motivations are correct and right but the actions he took to resolve them that where wrong.
He didn't have much of a choice with his actions. His people were starving and dying in poverty, while getting chased after by the Alliance. Recruiting bandits some time later and hiring goblins to build him the ship to kill innocents in the process of razing stormwind instead of killing the royals in a stealth infiltration can be considered bad, but beggars can't be choosers.
@@hristopavlov298 He was also subtley manipulated by Onyxia into that course of action, starting the Brotherhood, making a revolt. Granted, Onyxia (posing as Lady Prestor) also set the nobles of Stormwind at odds with the buildings union. She created that whole mess in large part, but, ultimately, yes, Van Cleef, made the actions he did.
Deathwing had a little more to him than you talk about. He set fire to random zones while we were questing and killed us. He was engaged to Calia Menethil in his Prestor human form. He is also the father of Wrathion.
@@mareksarnovsky2731 I totally respect that you enjoy her role and story; and definitely do not want to dissuade you in any way possible: I feel she could have been 100x more impactful if she wasn't used as a propaganda piece (The "Strong Female Lead") and had her story blossom in its own season/appropriate time.
I haven't played WoW, but as someone who really enjoyed warcraft 3 back in the day watching this tierlist was entertaining, even for all the characters I know nothing about.
Arthas was such a big troll though and turned up almost all over Northrend it was like you were so hyped and waiting to kick his ass probably is the best villain in the series!
You know you succeeded in character creation, when the top 5 in the S tier list is nearly undebatable. I can't think of a person that i know that played warcraft games and actually digged into the lore, and not pick the same 5 characters as the top villains of warcraft. In addition, the fact that you added van cleef in the S tier list elevates the quality of this list to another level.
Its so hard to see Sylvanas dead last, but Asmon is right. The second best character beside Arthas gets the same shitty ending like Arthas in Shadowlands!
Where’s the Fel Reaver we meet in Burning Crusade? You have any idea how scary that dude was? One day, you’re just questing and you just hear this noise and then a giant foot just insta kills you.
I really think they watered down Nerzul in WOD compared to the his lore like seriously this guy destroyed his world and became the lich king and was conspiring against Kill’Jaden. He was against the living and the burning legion like that’s crazy. Grom was basically the Ghangis Khan of Wow Arthus and Illidan are W3 OG’s, which let’s face it they drove everyone’s obsession to buy WOW.
I swear god, when he talk's about Illidan, at the moment he says... "when Illidan show os screen.. evrebody know's... " i was expecting he says " evrebody's knows.. that YOU ARE NOT PREPARED"
I remember as an alliance player going to the temple of the white tiger in MoP with the whole 'confront your hatred' thing. And i was like 'no, i dont fucking hate garosh!'
N'zoth should have been what they're trying to make the Jailer. A master planner who subtly had his hand in every plot since Warcraft 3, all building up to his release at the end of BFA, then they should have made a whole expansion dedicated to fighting the full might of an unleashed Old God. I mean, for years, the two major villains of wow were the Burning Legion and the Old Gods, so it's just a disappointment that the last Old God we faced, who was built up since Cata, ended up only being a real threat in a single patch where he was only present in two zones, and then got blown up by walmart bargain bin anime blast.
Arthas is the main villain
they still could have a huge plottwist, that we never defeated nzoth and he instead corrupted our minds into thinking about the whole jailer thing, and make us realize there was never a bad jailer and that the jailer we know of is nzoth
@@lmd1811 I wish they had the balls to do that.
Agreed. They crammed a Faction War, Azshara AND N'Zoth all into one expansion and have given the Jailer a whole one himself.
Wow was best when those were the big bad. They have potential with the void lords and whatever else was on that map in chronicles but I stopped giving a fuck a long time ago
To be fair to N'zoth. He would have been done much better if he had gotten his own expansion instead of a patch.
Half the expansion was his. He would have been done much better if he had been done much better in his patch.
They could of maybe make his presence more noticeable throughout the expansion so that stuff like the faction war would feel more like a ticking time bomb for N'Zoth to take over azeroth instead of just making his move during a single patch and also getting yeeted in that same patch.
I doubt that.
Watch Asmongold react to the Warbringers: Azshara cinematic from a few years ago and see how excited he was. N'Zoth had this really creepy and soft voice communicating with Azshara. The 8.3 voice lines are cool in their own way but his voice kinda ended up sounding like evil Barry White.
The build up during 9.1.5 and his release in 9.2 was hype as fuck. But 8.3 just felt weak because how they decided to only let him manifest in two key locations where there was old titan reorigination tech. And the ending cinematic... OH GOD NO
Yeah. BFA should faction war + naga/Azhara expansion (Nazjatar deserves more than one zone), and N'zoth should be in 10.0 after comeback from Shadowlands.
The guy who wrote "g g g g g hunit" when asmon was talking about G'huun: I respect you
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I didnt get the joke. Somebody explain pls
@@C4INE reference to the old rap group, G unit. At least that what I got out of it
@@KingCrimeTime ooohhhh 50 cent's crew. Now I get it. Hahaha thanks mate
Hahahaha that is brilliant
Good to see people recognize VanCleef as a chad. Defias storyline is surprisingly good shit if you pay attention to it and I love how they're a big deal for the first 30 levels as Classic Alliance.
Yeah it was, like holy shit the story was deep. Platinum wow recently did a story covering the brotherhood and man, way better than current lore.
@@jamestomlin5525 I feel like Asmon should react to Platinum's videos again. His stuffs are always interesting
@@riatorex8722 same, always puts out interesting and entertaining content.
@@jamestomlin5525 I always found the smaller villains and their organizations more interesting than the world ending threats. Defias Brotherhood, Scarlet Crusade, Syndicate being outlaws from Alterac, etc.
Playing trough classic and experiencing the Defias storyline was so awesome. Thats how a proper storyline is implemented in a game! WoW sure could learn more from WoW!
We all know the worst world of warcraft villain was a beast called blizzard
Once a hero, later turned into a monster 😔
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"
Yet you still are watching wow videos 18 years later
@@absolute8342 can we upvote the crap out of your carnage?
@@olvierclaveau9523 i respect this villain
He had a good backstory
Garrosh was S at one point but became D later on. It's so painfully obvious that multiple people wrote storys for him
True. One moment he is talking about honor and how wrong it was to kill innocent people in war at Stonetalon. Next moment he does the very same thing to theramore… lol
Eh, Archimonde is one of the cases when writers clearly did not signalised his personality enough in-game despite him having one.
There is some quests on Macaree (or how it called nowadays) and in Legion as a whole which tells us some additional info about him. Iirc he was not only the most brutish leader of the Eredar but also the most curious one, because he as a scholar found Void powers by himself and even contacted Nathrezim before Sargeras came. Also he executed gambit to overthrow his former master Talkiel and all of that was way before Burning Legion deal. Last but not least he was the only one who immediatly recognized Sargeras' intentions unlike KJ who was simply fooled. But Archimode was just cool with that because in the end of the day he is a power hungry psychopath, which is understandable for somebody that strong and that smart.
Tl;dr Archimonde is way cooler that he seems to be, but to to acknowledge it you need to do some lore dig and make some assumptions.
Archimonde is a little bitch who makes you run into fire
There was not enough drama and fuss about Archimonde throughout the whole story for people to consider him "top tier villain", but the first association for me is always Archimonde and Guldan. No alignment - just avatars of pure evil.
True.
Dude in WC3 he was fucking legendary as a unit, wild.
@@leeroyjenkins385i do not understand this. When i played wc3 and archi showed up, i was totally terrified and blown away. I knew his arrival bore utter destruction for azeroth, if it wasnt for some ancient druid magic/knowledge that literally only malfurion knew about, then archie woulda slaughtered us all. Thats all part of Archimondes character and our perception of him. Its supposed to be total shock and awe. He doesnt require some detailed tragic backstory. Hes one of the most powerfully evil forces in the cosmos. And he's just a lieutenant.
Did Asmon forget that it was Archimonde that destroyed Dalaran with a mere sand castle magic? I'm starting to think his lore knowledge isn't as good as people think.
Onyxia literally created the Defias Brotherhood by moving all the pieces around Stormwind political decisions, She kidnapped Varian and manipulated high members of the alliance to let the black dragonflight schemes not be interfered in eastern kingdoms.
She should've an S tier for sure.
I agree, he was just thinking abt dragon version/boss fight, forgot about all that lol
Yogg for S tier for sure, seeing how his madness corrupted and effected the world, the most alive the world has ever felt
+ The curse of flesh that created mankind and other Alliance species was done by him, more reason to like him.
Ye he was behind a lot of the shit that happened on Azeroth
He is big S tier
His blood was used to build ICC. Agree with all sentiments here.
43:12 knew it was coming and somehow still felt really good anyway. I just don't think there's anything in WoW that can be more iconic than the Lich King. You know that you've made such an awesome character that even folks who are unfamiliar with Warcraft recognise him
And then the Shadowlands cinematic happens
@@WBlake01 Lmao yeah. Sadge
@@HappyroosterYT I don't think the technicals matter. It was plenty symbolic on so many levels. Like OC stated, there's nothing more iconic in WoW and they treated it like garbage. Power grabs and floorings can be fun, but everything about YAS QUEEN was lame. I'm pretty sure this is a Universal Truth written down somewhere in an ancient book, by men with exceedingly long beards and completely nonexistent hairlines.
Cho'Gall probably has some of the best voice acting in the game. The interaction between the two heads and his insane cutist apocalyptic ramblings are just too good.
Cataclysm WAS good despite what the shitters say.
@@fistofram5526 Ah yeah, the expac that made every single bad system that is currently the reason wow's been declining (minus item RNG from forging)
Before you say it, Dungeon finder in wrath was fine, and boomers lied about their experiences.
@@PagingDoctorGuy Lol, what systems?
You better actually elaborate or you're just gonna sound like a poser.
Today's WoW has NOTHING to do with 10+ year old WoW.
@@PagingDoctorGuy what a clueless comment lmao
@@PagingDoctorGuyyou mean woltk right?
Archimonde was quite a good villain in WC3 though. The way he gave his speech when he entered the world and straight up continued to destroy Dalaran, then just orders around both the leader of the dreadlords and pit lords to do his dirty work, and how close he got to succeed in destroying the world tree which caused all the factions to unite against him just to hold him off. They didn't do him any justice in WoD though.
The cutscene of him with the sandcastles 😩😩😩
One of the best scenes from Warcraft 3 imo
exactly idk if he remembers but archimonde was quite a character in wc3 , he put him in the same tier as stiches
You put it perfectly. I remember all the effort that went into summoning him too; it was half the purpose of the Scourge. When they succeeded he just stepped in, made light of all the high civilization/magic of Dalaran - which had been huge thorn in the Legions' side for so long - and proceeded to destroy their city like one would a sandcastle! There's not too much explicit buildup - his evil kind of gravitas spoke for itself. That's how you write a villain that is in a league of his own in terms of power. Very hard to make it cool and not cheesy(any 'surprise tier' TV villain); not overly expected and overemphasized(yuck, Thanos) nor annoyingly out of the blue and boring(sigh, Jailer). Also there's not that many 'Great General' archetypes in fiction that I know of, but these are some of the coolest characters in real world history.
Not to mention how much of a menace he was to the Night Elves ten thousand years ago. I feel like him snapping Malorne's neck is one of the bigger not in game moments in the lore, like Broxigar fighting off demons in the portal. At least Archimonde lost a few times against Azeroth, Kil'Jaeden tried once and blew tf up.
Archimonde was the Wc3 version of what the Jailer should have been. You shit your pants when he appear with the burning legion music playing.
Ner'zhul to me added so much to Arthas's fall to the Lich King.
The original Warcraft being "orcs vs humans" and the spirit of that was fully embodied in the two major heroes of the humans / orcs becoming one through the powers of the forzen throne.
A human paladin fused with an orc warlock.
The origins of the undead is the fusion of humans with orcs. It's a nice touch.
Ner'zhul was trapped in a frozen prison and forged Frostmourne, speifically targeted Arthas to become the vessel and corrupted him.
The whole reason was simply to escape the frozen throne.
He was insane in WC3; he had BOTH Infernals and Doom guards, shit was wack
This is huge. I had so much fun watching this and it definitely refreshed my memory on a lot of less popular bosses that I didn’t fight as much.
MoP representing that top tiers. Garrosh and Lei Shen. Such an under rated expansion
Was a good one to follow up the cataclysm for sure. They really hit the nail on the head with the exploration vibes. Really hope they come even remotely close to those feelings with Dragonflight but not holding my breath! Cheers
It's sad to see what became of N'zoth. I remember hearing about him in Cataclysm, and slowly over time during the next few expansions learning more about his character and what he was responsible for. Realizing that he is the true lord of the nightmare, that it was him that corrupted both Deathwing and Azshara, felt so fucking cool. The fact that he was such a huge and powerful character that was hiding somewhere at the bottom of the ocean also made it feel much more mysterious and menacing. I used to ride around for hours in Vash'jr looking for any deep places that he could possibly be located in, and I felt actual fear looking down into the black depths that are out of reach of the players realizing he might be sitting there. I think BFA rushed him and turned his character from a quiet, mysterious and menacing force similar to C'thun into a bashful, arrogant tyrant more on the lines of Deathwing or Garrosh, which was definitely not fitting for an Old God. To me, an Old God is a cold, emotionless being, something that never gets frustrated or angry as we saw in BFA. I would have also preferred fighting him deep under the ocean as opposed to fighting him in a big generic volcano land. I think N'zoth's raid was more fitting for Deathwing, and it would have been so much cooler had N'zoth been located deep below where we fought Azshara in the cold darkness of the bottom of the ocean. Had Blizzard stayed true to their original design of N'zoth, I think he would have been an S tier and by far the coolest Old God.
I guess i'm the only one who thinks N'Zoth is one the coolest characters in the game. I found all his prophecies really cool and he possesses all of us and makes us stronger for a reason we still don't know why.
I agree with him in concept. He's very cool; it just could have been executed much better to be cooler.
The biggest villain was blizzard itself. (And the people doing cubicle crawls ofcourse...)
Where is the Legend of Stavlan of duskwood? he is such a villan. He was in love with a child, but her parents did not approve, so in heartbreak and rage Stavlan kills her and her parents. You get to follow all the letters between the family and Stavlan
A common trend with a lot of these bosses is the fact they are explained outside the game, and just thrown in game with almost no background. Because Blizzard in game storytelling is rubbish. So those in higher ranks are mostly those they did a good job in developing and explaining them in game. And some of those in lower ranks are again Blizzard’s fault in making them look stupid.
Lei Shen was well introduced in game in handful of quests.
Idk why blizz couldn't pull that off for other bosses.
Like we do not need or expect everyone to have as much introduction in game as Arthas, just give us how little Lei Shen had, but also do as good of job doing it.
Deathwings story is great, wasn't properly done in Cata. He deserved so much more, much like N'Zoth, like Garrosh. He's one of my favourite villains and happy he put him in A tier.
Yeah he participated in war of the anciants and annahilated his allies and enemies alike, he had more extreme approch to how to deal with threats, he's the one who almost exterminated the blue dragonflight and caused Malygos to go mad
The list is definitely missing a few great villains.
Where are Anub'Arak, Lady Vashj, both of Ragnaros' Majordomos, Gruul, Sindragosa?
Meanwhile we have Medivh (barely even a villain), Thermaplugg (lol what), Mythrax and Garona. smh
Mostly agree with Asmon here, but Archimonde should be A simply because of WC3, and Yogg is a personal S because of his personality
There's also no Loken in the list. People don't seem to realize how much of an influential character he was in terms of what went down at Ulduar. Sadly, the game did him no justice by making him a dungeon boss. Def should have been the second or third to last boss in Ulduar.
Wish you had Mcconell with you, the patch tier video was one of the best on CZcams. Such a great chemistry
Rating Whiteman above Tharissan is a crime.
He summoned Ragnaros to destroy his enemies, she.... hates the undead.
The issue with Zul'jin is that he's... Not really a villain... Not particularly. He just really fucking disagreess with the Horde that suddenly chose the allegiance of his archenemies after MANY YEARS OF SERVICE TO THEM. Imagine that... You are homies with these greenskins, you fight alongside them against elves and humans, you having a good time. You beat them a bunch of times, then you are captured by a bunch of knife ears, tortured by them and you only escape because you were badass enough to cut off your own arm. THEN the new Horde leader shows up with an entourage of the very same elves and goes like "Hey friend, come meet my new best friends!".
HE'S REASONABLY FUMING! Thrall's horde betrayed Zul'jin, it would be the same as if Jaina was suddenly going to forgive Garrosh because he decided to join the alliance! BOTH ARE INCREDIBLY UNLIKELY TO HAPPEN IN THE FIRST PLACE!
Zul'jin is A+-tier, but he's not really a villain.
Edwin VanCleef is one of the best villains i've read based on the lore. Apart from the three eredars promised power and arthras and the lich king.
Edwin's story was such a great story in a timeline where the alliance was screwed unless they had a massive effort rebuilding stormwind. Who ever wrote the story for Edwin did an outstanding job and I'd like to think they focus more on these stories and characters that have good plot behind them in their history. Dragonflight seems to be doing well there with the story at least which is a difference from shadowlands.
The way blizz did sylvanas dirty reminds me of the way GoT writers did Daenerys dirty.
Thassarian = Human death knight, famous for dual wielding swords and close friend of Koltira Deathweaver.
Thaurissan = Emperor of of the dark iron dwarves and son-in-law of Magni Bronzebeard.
Know the difference. (Yes, I'm fun at parties.)
Thank god someone said it
Al'akir answered the call of N'zoth after he sent Deathwing and the naga as a distraction for his breakout in Cataclysm.
4:54 Was he though? He's just known because of his involvement with Arthas. All he did was lure Arthas to Northrend to become the lich kings champion. He was just a carrot on a stick, that got eaten by the donkey in the end. "One of the more interesting dreadlords" my ass. How he's placed above Tichondrius and Varimathras or even close to A tier is a mistery to me.
I believe it's because of his impact in the story and what he did in stratholme in reign of chaos and also due to nostalgia, like he was the most relevant dreadlord in warcraft 3 that did anything meaninfull, and was one of the 2 that had more than 30 seconds presence in the game as whole back then, the other one is Tichondrieus
Kel'Thuzad could be like team rocket, with Mr. Bigglesworth as Meowth.
I guessed your top three correctly! Azshara is my favourite. I loved her lore and based my elf on her way back in classic. I was super excited to see her return, and her cinematic with N'Zoth was one of the best cinematics we've had.
I'm sure we'll see her again at some point. I'm just hoping they don't ruin her, like they did with Sylvanas.
Unpopular opinion here, Lei Shen is actually my favorite villain for some reason
I love how he says Cho'Gal is one of his favorite villains but then on the very next villain which is Deathwing he has nothing good to say about but still puts him above Cho'Gal.
Tier lists in a nutshell.
DW has more overall impact on the world physically and narratively. An aspect who was driven mad by the whispers of the very earth he was tasked to protect. So corrupted that he tears the world asunder when set free. It's a good set up, even if it ended up flopping overall. That's on the writers...
Magtheridon was trusted with all of outland and It took Illidan and an army to take him down. He was then captured imprisoned and constantly had his blood siphoned to later be killed in said prisoned. Even in this weakenss state it still took a whole army to bring him down for good. Mannaroth was soloed by a single axe strike.....twice.
I think they also gave him the voice actor of the character introduction screen so you got that as well. You also have the kinda creepy introduction of him in the 5 man dungeon called the blood furnace or whatever it was called where he was basically calling all his jailers a bunch of pussies.
I want KT to come back as often as possible, to the point where he gets to know our characters and talks trash with a severity depending on how many times we have beaten him
I agree! I love Kel'Thuzad. He's even a troll in the Hearthstone expansions too.
"You? *Again!?* ... Fine. But just... Give me a moment to give Mr. Bigglesworth the Third a hug. So. How are the kids? In college now? ... Oh, well *that's* disappointing. You know, it doesn't matter how many times you beat me, it won't make your children better. You should have beat *them* more instead."
"Beware all who trespass here are- oh come onnn!!! Do you cretins have nothing better to do but to follow me around?! You'll never find my true phylactery.. just give it up! I'm not even causing trouble, I'm craft brewing!"
@@Sunmourn *slams his morning coffee and newspaper down* "Oh come ON! I'm having breakfast! It's not even EVIL breakfast, it's just gilnean crumpets and darnassian bleu!"
@@Syenthros love these comments. You love to see it. Yes I want this in game
If they add Ogres as a playable race, their Racial Ability could be "Two Heads" and allow the character to use two separate helmets
too bad Blizzard only makes races they can sexualize ie Furries
@@KORNEWARRIOR Still waiting for a fel themed race that turned good to this day because if Sylvannas can be redeemed, then I'm pretty sure everyone could.
Fun Fact: the Malygos art used in this tier list is from hearthstone, where they have found out that the art is actually supposed to depict Kalecgos, even though the art is on a Malygos card
Elite Hogger was my first raid. We had a bunch of lv 1's, it was glorious.
How do I beat him? We had 200 wipes already, his headbutt attack really insane
You know what's even worse?
The jailers motivation was that he needed all the power so that he could protect the world "from what is coming".
Power scaling is going to go even higher, and an even newer puppetmaster of the puppetmaster is going to be revealed.
Literally no one left but whatever spawned the old gods, so it's either them or new random actual puppetmaster Jailer 2: electric boogaloo.
I think Ghuun is an amazing idea esp with Nzoth in the end. The fight was nice too
Ner'zhul remains to this day as one of the biggest examples of how to waste an awesome character.
The guy used to be one of the franchises main villains, and is to this day the only villain who "won" 2 times in a row. Both WC2 and WC3 ended with Ner'zhul getting what he wanted. And then, from WotLK onward, Blizz just constantly shafted the guy, bc Arthas became the most popular character and they wanted to push that idea.
The list is incomplete without good ol Bobby
It just came to me that we haven't seen Arthas in Shadowlands. This is was like the most natural thing for me entering Shadowlands and it still hasn't happened yet. What a shame.
from this point i think Kel'Thuzad must return in every expansion. He became a joke and Blizz need to embrace this.
"Post this spoon to kill G'huun". If you know, you know. Best RTWF imo.
Yogg-Saron belongs in S tier and Illidan should be second to arthas.
The most powerful death knights within Naxxramas are the four horsemen. They represent the pinnacle of Kel'Thuzad's guard. The first, Thane Korth'azz, holds the power of flame. The next, Lady Blaumeux, calls forth the power of shadows, drawing the souls of the living into the voracious embrace. Sir Zeliek, a paladin in life, so strong in his faith, that even in undeath, the power of the light still heeds his call, smiting his foes in battle. The final death knight, Lord Mograine, was the finest warrior that the death knights had ever seen. However, after the events of Azeroth, he vanished without a trace. Kel'Thuzad has appointed Baron Rivendare in his place.
Feel you didnt give Baron enough cred, man.
We keep getting blessed with all these videos!
No no Van Cleff IS a villain. It’s his actions that made him villainous not his motivations. His motivations are correct and right but the actions he took to resolve them that where wrong.
He didn't have much of a choice with his actions. His people were starving and dying in poverty, while getting chased after by the Alliance. Recruiting bandits some time later and hiring goblins to build him the ship to kill innocents in the process of razing stormwind instead of killing the royals in a stealth infiltration can be considered bad, but beggars can't be choosers.
@@hristopavlov298 He was also subtley manipulated by Onyxia into that course of action, starting the Brotherhood, making a revolt. Granted, Onyxia (posing as Lady Prestor) also set the nobles of Stormwind at odds with the buildings union. She created that whole mess in large part, but, ultimately, yes, Van Cleef, made the actions he did.
We are making the mother of all tierlists here, can’t fret over every Villain Zack!
WELL IF ISN'T SAUCY JACK!
I don't care what anyone says, N'zoth is one of the coolest villains ive ever seen in a game, even if he wasnt done properly.
FORRRR THE HORRRRRRRRRRRDE!
He may not have been my wc, but damn garrosh was a beast. That cinematic from the raid still gives me chills.
I love Asmongold's tier lists, pls more
Kel’thuzad is the typical returning villain.
And it works!
Deathwing had a little more to him than you talk about. He set fire to random zones while we were questing and killed us. He was engaged to Calia Menethil in his Prestor human form. He is also the father of Wrathion.
Gul'Dan enters trade chat, Gul'Spam.
Lich King was the peak of bosses.
I can confirm ironfoe is the mace that never drops.
Seen felstriker a couple times tho
Sylvanas is definitely a villain that just doesn't stop despite no one being impressed.
Sylvanas is epic
@@mareksarnovsky2731 I totally respect that you enjoy her role and story; and definitely do not want to dissuade you in any way possible: I feel she could have been 100x more impactful if she wasn't used as a propaganda piece (The "Strong Female Lead") and had her story blossom in its own season/appropriate time.
Where is my boy Anubarak the last king of aszhol nerub ? :(
what's funny about the nzoth rating is that he actually has far more lore and content than any of the other old golds combined...
Great stream to watch live had to come back and re watch it on the upload
25:40
"He's just grey and mad"
The edit got me good ☠️
I haven't played WoW, but as someone who really enjoyed warcraft 3 back in the day watching this tierlist was entertaining, even for all the characters I know nothing about.
Platinum Wow's video will give you a good overview of the new characters. one of the creators with better presentation of wow lore
@@moonkinx Thanks for the suggestion :)
Zach your tier lists keep me goin
Arthas was such a big troll though and turned up almost all over Northrend it was like you were so hyped and waiting to kick his ass probably is the best villain in the series!
25:40 hahah gj editors
I'm shocked they forgot Teron Gorefiend, Lady Vashj, and King Mechagon.
@@TotalRejection are you factoring both versions of teron?
People say Ogres will eventually be a playable race. But ask yourself: Have you ever seen a female Ogre?
I like N'zoth cause of the voice acting and the warbringer video with Azshara.
You know it, I know it - everybody knows it.
You know you succeeded in character creation, when the top 5 in the S tier list is nearly undebatable. I can't think of a person that i know that played warcraft games and actually digged into the lore, and not pick the same 5 characters as the top villains of warcraft.
In addition, the fact that you added van cleef in the S tier list elevates the quality of this list to another level.
The moment he put Garrosh above Illidan. He instantly became my personal CZcamsR!! GOOD FUCKING CALL!!!
When Garrosh drops the bomb, all those people just get retconned out of warcraft lore.
Mostly agree but completely wrong with Deathwing - he literally change the entire landscape of Azeroth. The cataclysm.
Man the people behind Wacraft 3 were real gems. The characters they wrote were deep and insanely unique with their powers and skills.
Chris Metzen my man. There were more than him I'm sure, but that was the Captain.
I lost it at "it's Kel'th-fucking-zad
20:33 chat melting over the boots of the shadow flame lol
Whitemane - "This is going in the double D tier". I think Asmon was talking about her bust size.
35:34
Ragnaros should be “S” for “Sappy”
REEEEEEEEEEEE
What game is he playing?
The flashbacks I'm having watching these characters man... Makes a grown ass man cry like a toddler...
"stiches who who the f put stiches" instantly B tier meanwhile sylvannas KEKW
All Warcraft 3 bosses are S+ tier
Bro lost me when he said "you dont even know anything about Archimonde - he has no personality"
The endless heel face turns to fight yet eviler people not mentioned yet makes everything feel really poontless
Loved Deathwing, truly beautiful and mighty dragon right there
Its so hard to see Sylvanas dead last, but Asmon is right. The second best character beside Arthas gets the same shitty ending like Arthas in Shadowlands!
Gotta watch this one. Will have to wait till after dinner.
Really enjoyed this tier list I agreed with Asmon for the most part
“This is a double d villain” was fucking hilarious
There should be an additional tier beyond S just for Arthas
He's literally that badass. Known even to those who don't play wow
Where’s the Fel Reaver we meet in Burning Crusade? You have any idea how scary that dude was? One day, you’re just questing and you just hear this noise and then a giant foot just insta kills you.
Archimonde destroying Dalaran will forever be one of my favorite cinematics ever. Boring character? Whaaat?
What does destroying have to do with being a good character?
@@sautortheratkiller9172 STFU loser, I can have whatever opinion I want to have.
i feel like he doesn't even remember wc3 . he put archimonde in the same tier as stiches lol
@@sautortheratkiller9172 Sorry mate, only this Alien dude get to have opinions
He’s for sure underrating Archimonde. But putting “stfu loser” makes you look like a child tbh
Where is Jaraxxus?
I really think they watered down Nerzul in WOD compared to the his lore like seriously this guy destroyed his world and became the lich king and was conspiring against Kill’Jaden. He was against the living and the burning legion like that’s crazy.
Grom was basically the Ghangis Khan of Wow
Arthus and Illidan are W3 OG’s, which let’s face it they drove everyone’s obsession to buy WOW.
I swear god, when he talk's about Illidan, at the moment he says... "when Illidan show os screen.. evrebody know's... " i was expecting he says " evrebody's knows.. that YOU ARE NOT PREPARED"
25:40 the editor made asmongold gray when he was saying "archimonde is just gray and mad" to say that asmongold is gray and mad too
I remember as an alliance player going to the temple of the white tiger in MoP with the whole 'confront your hatred' thing. And i was like 'no, i dont fucking hate garosh!'