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- In this video, This Old House general contractor Tom Silva and host Kevin O’Connor work together to build a storage-rich miter saw stand from a set of factory toolboxes.
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Tom Silva and Kevin O'Connor work together to make a miter saw station. The new mobile setup will feature two workbenches and cabinets for extra storage.
Most folks with workshops would agree that they don’t have nearly enough space or storage. When our shop started to feel a little crowded, general contractor Tom Silva came up with a solution. With the help of host Kevin O’Connor, the two build a perfect miter saw stand with all the storage they’ll need. Here’s how it’s done.
Difficulty: ⅗
Cost: Around $1,200 (depending on tool boxes chosen)
Time: One day
You’ll probably need a partner. These two toolboxes will be very heavy when attached to each other, so having a partner to help will make things safer.
Where to find it?
For the metal framed shelf, Tom makes the cuts using a miter saw [homedepot.sjv.io/m51Ne7] with a metal cutting blade [homedepot.sjv.io/3ezYBr]. He then makes rivets using a rivet gun [homedepot.sjv.io/9gq2N4].
Tom uses a jigsaw [homedepot.sjv.io/zNORYm] to cut out four sections for the wheels.
For the worktop, Tom makes the cuts using a miter saw with a standard wood cutting blade. They secure the worktop to the metal frame using heavy duty wood screws [homedepot.sjv.io/OrEzNK].
For easy measuring and consistent cuts, Tom and Kevin include a Track and Stop kit [homedepot.sjv.io/9gq24E]. To keep the boards in place, they also include a featherboard [homedepot.sjv.io/Gm1EP2]. And to make even more precise cuts, Tom and Kevin also incorporated a miter gauge [homedepot.sjv.io/g15JMX].
Tom and Kevin used tools manufactured by Bosch Tools [www.boschtools.com/us/en/] and Kreg Tools [www.kregtool.com/home].
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Materials:
Two metal toolboxes [homedepot.sjv.io/QyE0m9\
OSB plywood [homedepot.sjv.io/k0AVBx] (two 4x8 sheets)
Scrap 1x3 materials [homedepot.sjv.io/1rz2q6]
Self-tapping screws [homedepot.sjv.io/oqJV2e]
Wood screws [homedepot.sjv.io/OrEzNK]
Butcher block top [homedepot.sjv.io/KjEgRv]
Scrap 2x4 material [homedepot.sjv.io/QyE0q9]
Metal-cutting miter saw blade [homedepot.sjv.io/3ezYBr]
Threaded inserts [homedepot.sjv.io/PynBLM]
Threaded bolts [homedepot.sjv.io/DKaBE5]
Track and Stop kit [homedepot.sjv.io/9gq24E]
Miter gauge [homedepot.sjv.io/g15JMX]
Two-piece removable biscuits [homedepot.sjv.io/AW5BrK]
Featherboard [homedepot.sjv.io/Gm1EP2]
Straight 1x4 material [homedepot.sjv.io/B0kBjB]
Tools:
Tape measure [homedepot.sjv.io/rQEBXy]
Circular saw [homedepot.sjv.io/4PM230]
Miter saw [homedepot.sjv.io/m51Ne7]
Jigsaw [homedepot.sjv.io/zNORYm]
Power drill and multiple bits and hole sales [homedepot.sjv.io/R50Wna]
Rivet gun [homedepot.sjv.io/9gq2N4]
Threaded insert setter [homedepot.sjv.io/AW5BdK]
Biscuit joiner [homedepot.sjv.io/ZQEqoK]
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What I think is hilarious about the complaints (expensive miter saw, biscuit machinge, etc) is that no where in the episode did they ever say you have to use all of these things. They showed the concept of how to make a Miter Saw Station. If you want to use different cabinets, go ahead. If you want to use a different Miter Saw, go ahead. No whining really necessary.
Amen, brother.
for sure
Anyone whining is someone who isn’t going to actually need this.
An actual craftsman can simply design and fabricate their saw station in whatever way fits their needs.
So true, Im grateful that i could afford a Lamello Zeta P2 and a Festool miter saw, but when i was raising a young family and long before that, i made do with what i could afford. Could i have done with less? oh yea, a lot less, but i love having and using these great expensive products and im not going to apologize to anyone!
Tom is a legend. He has the most gentle and finesse way about his woodworking and building skills.
One of the things I love, is that as I learn, I improve my workshop. It's kind of fun going back to the workshop and seeing your previous work. And when you're done with the new construction you can see how much you have learned.
I think its important to note that the special break-down biscuit device is only compatible with the Lamello biscuit joiner, as it uses a special mechanism in the tool that creates the groove. It's quite an expensive tool vs a traditional biscuit joiner.
Wait a moment! You're not suggesting that TOH is slinging expensive single-use tools that most of us will never really need, are you!?!?!?
I thought they could just as easily install blind tap in nuts into the worktop and install using thumb bolts through the extended fence into the worktop. Would definitely be more sturdy.
@@powhoundus that's how I did mine. A few dollars for some threaded bar knobs and threaded inserts. When I need the bench they come right off.
I believe you can buy some special clips made by lamello that work with a biscuit jointer. I think I saw that on Peter Millard’s channel.
I thought of doing something like this in my shop but using home made shelf cabinets. My upgrade to what they did however would be to have 2 dropped tool stations separated by a middle cabinet. Each of these stations would be a temporary spot for a tool - but made to accommodate more than one tool. Some of the tools I would consider using in this setup - router table top, miter saw, DeWalt planer, bench top jointer, bench top drill press, 14 in bandsaw. Most of these tools becomes more versatile /easier to use with a feed in / feed out or longer support area on each side. Will need to figure out the right gap for one set of tools for each opening and figure out a system to allow custom heights for each tool to match the extended work surface. The workstations will take up most of one wall of my garage, but will be a very versatile work area with lots of storage. Since some of the tools are heavy I may have to set up some sort of lift assist for each tool that will be stored in one or two of the cabinet areas underneath.
Whoa. I like this! I just got a new miter saw and was thinking of doing something along these lines. Thank you
I built almost the exact same thing except stationary w/ 3 toolboxes and added a top. Same saw too. I like the mobile version!
This is EXACTLY what I am going to do!
Very nice job .
Great video. For all the people complaining about the cost, this is a high quality setup for a very reasonable cost for someone who is a hobbyist wood worker. Spend less time at the bar and quit smoking...
And you can use the same idea with homemade shelf cabinets - don’t have to use expensive tool cabinets.
You don't even need cabinets. Some 2x4s, some cheap plywood and caster wheels will get you started. No drawers, but you can shelfs to store bigger tools.
@@MrJramirex where do I find this cheap plywood you speak of?
Absolutely love this I did it for my shop
Norm made one back in the day on NYW. I like this modernized version too.
This is a nice miter station, but I like the one Norm built in the New Yankee Workshop better.
3:40 Tom with the savage line, “Well yeah you do seem to have a little more weight.”
That was great 😂
And Kevin was thought he was getting Tommy. Got ‘eem! 😆
@@WoodLineWorkerthroughout the series it's been like that. Tommy always has an awesome comeback
More expensive than most DIY ers can afford, as a professional woodworker I built my own miter station for much less and more options
I like your videos
But this is really fast.
Pretty cool idea! I already have everything except the 2 cabinets and the plastic removable clips! I’ve been eyeing up cabinets like those at Home Depot!
YES!!! ITS FINALLY HERE!!
Love this!!
Perhaps Husky/Kobalt/Craftsman/Harbor freight can take a lesson here and make a kit to sell TWO chests with shelf and slots for adding a miter station...
Only without the ridiculous inflation of price, like many other greedy companies do when they add small usaully useless features.
To make my miter station I got a piece of 3-1/2" thick 4x6 wood and laid one on each side long wise which flushes up with my miter station. This is a nice way to do it though, bummer to ever have to move workshops though with that massive thing, would have to take it apart but it is slick.
genius idea
Well Tommy, you did it again, great design idea. I figured out the lumber cost to make the equivilant to two Harbor Frieght tool boxes on sale and it is cheaper to buy the boxes. I am making a move able Radial arm saw station that will go in front of the two big shed doors when I install a regular sized door in the front of the shop. I want it to be able to move out of the way in case I need to move something larger than the front door either in or out. And it needs to be dead steady, and easily movable. I also like to work outside in the summer and use those 2 doors and ramp to move things in and out. So I will take this concept of yours using the 2 tool boxes and design it so I can still move the one in front of the 2 doors out of the way. The new station looks really sharp and will be practical in that space. Will you do a review on that Bosch miter saw?
I don’t have rolling drawers, just a static workbench, but this did give me some ideas.
So now Tommy has a Lamello Zeta P2 in his tool arsenal. I just finished using mine for a mitered face frame that would have been difficult to clamp together. Instead use the Tenso connectors, like Tommy (AKA Pops) used and no clamping necessary. I'm very interested in that "rivet" they used to connect the 2x4's to the metal cabinet. Always learn something from this and TOH. I'm 72 and I've been watching from season 1. Keep up the good work after all these years.
Look for them under the trade name Rivnut
I'm always seeing tools and gadgets that I've never seen before. So cool!
Wow ,I love what there able to do with someone else’s $ ! Nice job
Which I knew this stuff when I was younger!
Tom gets all the cool toys
Advan-tech for the win!
Ah, saw 🤭 this one coming!
You guys are amazing! Thank you so much for the work you do ♥
Bought a house a few years back - you're the first resource I look at for how to fix things 🙇♀
Rivnuts are great
Simply start off with 2 $800 tool cabinets
LOL
That's cheap!
$400 each
Unless you want to build two yourself, will probably cost way more.
I miss the days when these were 298 on Black Friday
They have great chemistry; very organic and genuine
Never heard of OSB plywood before!
Oriented strand board, been around since the 60's. Some call it waferboard.
@@mitchdenner9743Tommy called it plywood though.
That was my point OSB and plywood are two very different products that may be used in the same application. @@acerjuglans383
@acerjuglans383 its all plywood, just different kinds.
00:00:34, Tom's thinking "I'm talking here!"
We want outtakes !!
I would like a portable stand for my Hitachi miter saw. What do you guys recommend?
Videos like this are why I seldom watch this show any longer - They love finding ways to use very expensive tools instead of trying to find ways to use less expensive methods to achieve the same results. A Lamello biscuit joiner is so far over the top instead of a system like parallel t-tracks, allowing for a moveable, and removable fence, and is also far easier on the pocketbook of so many of us hobbyists. This is a great show to watch if you have loads of cash waiting to go through instead of learning about more cost effective solutions. Again - a great show for wealthy people!
Scott Walsh uploaded a video explaining that _dowels_ are actually better than biscuits or dominoes. I'd recommend checking out his channel.
yet here you are.....
@njkay0033 Lamello by far makes the best Plate Joiners, Norm preferred them and used them for years on The New Yankee Workshop. But he also used Porter-Cable and on a rare occasion DeWalt Plate Joiners, and you can do the same thing with those. I myself can't justify the Lamello price, but I have a 2000 USA Made Porter-Cable 557 and I love it. You can still buy Porter-Cable and DeWalt Plate Joiners today.
6:31 by the magic of video editing we now have a flipped video.
This is a nice idea in a pinch and if you have the cash although the way plywood and lumber prices are going it may be cheaper in the end… except for that biscuit jointer is a Lamello and that tool specifically is thousands of dollars. Unless the companies that make biscuits have finally stepped up and copied a very pricey idea, you’d need to know someone with a lamello biscuit jointer! I’d prefer building my own but at least to have a flat top without a fence, I’d rather route in a t track but again this is a neat idea and may be more practical cost wise than some would think. Right now even the cheap, crappy plywood at Home Depot is insanely expensive with many defects
Nice if you have the money to buy multiple tool chests like that, and more importantly have the space for them to move around...many shops just aren't that big to be able to roll stuff that size around...great idea, and could easily be done using the smaller sized rolling cabinets too, I think they have some that are like 24 or 30 inches wide....though the butcherblock tops are great in a shop like that, and hopefully they're easily replaceable. I've never looked, but I'd hope they are just screwed to the chest LOL.
Man, I was all for the clamping biscuits until I read a comment where they require a special $$$ biscuit joiner! 😏
Why did you ignore the modifications that were done to the wheels on the carts?
The cabinets come with 2 fixed and 2 swivel casters. It's hard to tell from the video but it looks like you either replaced some of the fixed ones with swivels and/or mounted the fixed ones rotated 90 degrees which only allows for 2 bolts to be inserted.
Please include how this was addressed.
You can also take ideas from the videos and use them guides. You don't have to have the most expensive equipment when you're a hobbyist. I use videos like this all the time for inspiration on various projects. I could never afford all those supplies at once. But, a little at a time, and eventually, I will get there.
is that the actual goal? to get more, buy more, have more instead of LEARNING to DIY?
@oldvanguy You learn as you go along, brain prize. That's the goal. However, if someone wants nicer things, don't put them down, it's their business.
Thats a beautiful Hercules Saw.
Great idea if you've got cubic cash. Those cabinets aren't cheap but on the plus side it is quick. I doubt most shops have the footage to let the unit 'roam' to where it's handy.
If your shop doesn't have the room, motify the project. Seems simple to the rest of us.
What does simple have to do with my comment, those cabinets are fckn expensive@@kebeightyfour5717
Must be nice to get all free stuff all the time.
That's a very nice workstation.
It's not free. They work hard to produce a show which earns the company money to buy equipment to make more shows. It's called a business. There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, in this country that follow the same principle. Nothing is free.
If that was plywood then I'm Tom Silva.
But seriously folks, I kind of need to do something like this as well, unfortunately space is a premium for me, so it'll be a future project for sure.
Use a couple of the smaller 30" or similar sized cabinets.
Why cover the branding on one side of the OSB and not the other?
So much knowledge in such a short video. Absolutely amazing
Gotta love gaff tape
Cool project as they all are on ATOH. But guys....that Lamello Zeta is like....1600 smackers.
Make sure to keep driving those self tapping screws to strip them completely out.
On the bright side, they stepped up to a Milwaukee impact from that overpriced festool driver
Definitely stripped a lot of those
Holy Crap! I thought Tommy was dead! Nice to see your still kicking it bro.
I like the idea but, wouldn't you want to reverse those biscuits? You don't want them filling with "dust". I thought about doing something similar but, never been able to find roller cabinets with all 4 casters being swivels. Cheers :)
I think you kind of have to have them the way they are. Otherwise you'd have the other side poking up out of the workbench which would be in the way.
I wish you would've showed how you secured the connector pieces to the wooden toolbox surface.
They did! Special biscuit insert cutter cuts a T-shaped curved groove that the plastic pieces rotate into, no glue or fasteners required.
Nice result. However, I could not fine the removable biscuits for the fence. The link provided for Home Depot shows regular wooden biscuits. Even Rockler didn’t have them.
You could also use dowels, bench dogs or domino's to get a rigid connection as well.
You don't need the fence; anything beyond the fence supplied with the saw doesn't really add any straightness to the cut. Seems a lot of miter stations are now going with a T-track in the table top to hold a stop block and doing away with the long fence. It would have been better if they had shown that design instead.
Why arnt you using impact drivers? Just the noise?
That is one nice setup and such a great idea!
Kind of thought he was going to use the Festool Domino to install the fence but used the Lamello instead. It would have been better I think to leave off the fence and use a T track. For the cabinets, those seem like they might be an overpriced option, but given the price of plywood today and the price of tool cabinets at Harbor Freight (I'm not a fan of their power tools, but their tool chests are pretty good value) are probably cheaper than plywood.
Love watching Americans still using phillips fasteners and the respective cam-out.
I was thinking same thing! Everything on this project is top dollar and cheaped out with zinc coated cheap flathead / Phillips combo screws? Guess they work for the task but it was an interesting choice for this project.
Wow that was one serious job! Great work you two! Was afraid someone was going to throw their back out rotating that assembly.
And a pretty nice idea putting the matching butcherblock shelf in the center. Didn't think it would look as nice as the originals but they go perfectly together 👌
That is outstanding. Gonna build this miter saw station in our next workshop. Thanks, guys!
Hey Tommy. It's called a rivnut.
Are those the harbor freight cabinets?
❤
Loved your twist on the age-old miter station build. Also learned of a new tool to get… Threaded, rivet inserts!
Alright… a question…
Everyone on the show has been aging through the years. Why hasn’t Kevin aged a single day?
Botox 😂
The link to the removable biscuits is wrong. It sends me to home depot wood biscuits.
Always wear the appropriate safety equipment when using a sar. :)
Great to see Tom Silva again, not on UK TV nowadays.
Tom is worth his weight in knowledge.
lol all the specialty tools if I had them, I would be building anything other than a house
More and more of these kind of videos are way above my budget what is the average man to do
China to the rescue. China will keep you a hobbyist at an average man’s budget
Find cheaper alternative solutions?
Wait what?!?! No Festool hand tools?! 😳
That's plywood?
That’s not 3/4” plywood. It’s chip board. 😊
It’s not chip board. It’s OSB. Strands, not chips.
@@MKRM27 I know. Just giving him a bad time. I worked in the plywood business for many years. Always bugged me when people called OSB plywood. No harm meant. 😏
Would be nice if TOH had the background music as an 8hour looping music video.
That way DIY peoyat home can play it while working 😉
3:39 Shake the floor and the camera!!!
LOOKS GOOD GUYS, NOW COME OVER HERE AND DO MY GARAGE 🙂
Man they better get some young guys in there to move that cabinet 😂😂 before they throw their back out around here..
The Lamello Zeta P2 is an amazing machine and ideal for projects with hidden fasteners and challenging angles/curves. This project would have been even better if they had used the Clamex connectors which are ideally suited for on/off applications. I hope this exposure turns more serious woodworkers on to this great tool and system.
I volunteer the new kid nathan to organize.
Seems like a lot of work for a table top. This could have been made simpler, i think and just as strong without all the holes.
Just have to make sure the floor is level every time you use it lol
They joined and leveled it with a straight edge at the exact area they plan to do most of their cutting. So it should be fine.
These tool chests are not cheap. Hundreds of dollars each. Both over a thousand bucks easy, so I wouldn't be drilling holes and bolts through it. I'd rather spend 100 dollars on plywood making each bench side if I had the room.
I don't understand this-- Tommy says if he uses bolts with nuts on it to hold the cleats, he doesn't want to put his hands inside to tighten the nuts-- that part i get, but then he says he doesn't want to drill and potentially hit the drawer runners. But then proceeds to drill these big holes for the threaded rivet. Wouldn't that rivet potentially hit the drawer runner as well? Not understanding his logic here.
I didn’t see a mark on the bit but presume he marked the bit somehow to barely pierce the cabinet wall. Or maybe he lucked out and the correct height was between sliders? Anyway, rivnuts are nice for metalwork projects but agree there are other options here including removing the drawers and using a wide enough cleat to be between sliders - above and below a slider if necessary.
This unit cost as much as my vehicle.
Time to get a better job buddy
Your absolutely right
That just means you have a mobile miter center. 😂
Hahahah. Yeah!
😂
Thank you for not using Festool since most of us will never be able to afford those tools.
I think that they use what they have and they can afford, the are trying to show us a way to build one that fits your budget not theirs… also showing innovation in our trades…if you can’t afford the way shown, be imaginative and use a cheaper and close to your budget, for example two kitchen cabinets ready to assemble and there you got a basic station, build you own two cabinets with high density PVC, and there you go, the universe is the limit 😂
This would be great if you have the money. What you spent on the cabinets, wood, shop vac, and saw, I could buy a decent used car for.
Something portable and compact instead of an altar for the mitre saw, please...
Side tables are not long enough. The sides need to be at least 8' long on both sides so you can throw a full board on either side. So at least 16' + the width of the miter saw. Thanks.
Because they clearly have the room for that long of a cabinet. 🙄
🪚😮
I think screwing into the cabinets voids the warranty.... 😮
What kind of warranty do you need on a tool box? 😂
a MINIMUM of THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS __NOT__ counting the tools.
To "improve" a work area. THEN no matter how careful you were or ran the vac there is GOING to be SAWDUST in at least the top few drawers.
It seems like ever year they add COST to anything they do.
and Oriented Strand Board is NOT "plywood". unless you are....).
$1,200 in cabinets
Nothing like having a huge section of garage taken up... oh yeah and two $400 tool chests
And a 2 person lift miter saw. Have to remember they're under the employ of the Biden regime.
You don't need to purchase 2 $400 tool chests to do this.
A couple of lower cost tool chests, dressers, kitchen cabinets or two drawer file cabinets will suffice as well.
I can easily afford this. Can't you? Plus, I have a huge garage, so no problem.
@@herculesrockefeller8969
"I can easily afford this. Can't you? Plus, I have a huge garage, so no problem."
Spoken like a delusional person in total denial of reality.
Your ability to afford something you moron, does not equate to the entire world having your level of income and budget.
Sry, but that's OSB, not plywood
Advantech is like super osb though. It's much stronger than regular osb.