How to Prevent Ice Dams | This Old House

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  • @larrycrookshanks1646
    @larrycrookshanks1646 Před 2 lety +5

    Good luck with finding a roof leak and by the time you do there will be more than 1 board to replace. Plywood even more . Why not pull attic floor and add 2x4 to the top of each floor joist re-install floor then insulate. Install soffit insulation and ridge vent. Make sure that you have 6' of ice and water shield under shingles. Oh I forgot... that doesn't sell foam insulation .

  • @jeffphillipssr4239
    @jeffphillipssr4239 Před rokem +282

    I've been a builder for many years and have seen quite a fair bit of sheds. The plans in ryan's package czcams.com/users/postUgkxB7IXYxLzb_Ichhe45zM3Im5xfEiSp9vB have some of the nicest looking sheds i've seen in a while.

  • @spockmcoyissmart961
    @spockmcoyissmart961 Před 3 lety +21

    When I contacted Owens Corning about air under the shingles, they said if you spray like this, you will shorten the life of the shingles on the outside of the house. Air damns need installed from soffit to ridge vent, then cover with insulation. This allows air to move via convection from the soffit up through the ridge vent, keeping the shingles cooler and getting the max life out of the shingles.

    • @jordanmercier3616
      @jordanmercier3616 Před 2 lety +1

      This is definitely true, I wonder if it would have any effect on sheet metal roofing, I doubt it, but would love to see some real data.

  • @jasonk9734
    @jasonk9734 Před 6 lety +13

    If you're looking to prevent ice dams air seal the floor in your attic. Light fixtures, interior walls, plumbing stacks, bathroom vents, etc. You don't need to spray 2-lb foam to the underside of your roof deck unless you want the attic to be conditioned space.

    • @neilschall2358
      @neilschall2358 Před 4 lety +18

      the guy in the video actually said he wanted a conditioned space...

  • @functionalvanconversion4284

    I am still learning in my 26 years of working through so many types of roof problems. The solution always depends on many variables. Unfortunately the way we build tends to lead to all sorts of problems for which solutions vary.

  • @donjuanthepiper265
    @donjuanthepiper265 Před 5 lety +5

    Looks great feels warmer already, wasn't the attic being to warm the problem to begin with?

  • @jackfarrell4727
    @jackfarrell4727 Před 3 lety +5

    I agree with everything that you said, but I am not a fan of spray foam. I would have screwed 1x3 or 2x4 (home owners choice, I have done both) horizontal 16 inch on center. Installed rafter mates (tunnels) and installed insulation then drywall. Also you must have vented soffits and a ridge vent or gable vents. Problem solved

    • @KITTYGALOREXXX
      @KITTYGALOREXXX Před 2 lety +1

      I know, they did not mention anything about soffits. Does this house have soffits?

  • @dannyl6507
    @dannyl6507 Před 5 lety +19

    oh my the amityville house!

  • @gthree0239
    @gthree0239 Před rokem +1

    I find even a well insulated home has ice dams. Mine seem to occur when there’s snow on the roof and then the sun comes out. Even on very cold days there’s snow melt and then when the sun shine stops we get freezing eventually if we haven’t had a substantial warming to melt everything off the roof an ice dam forms. How do we battle these?

  • @Crismodin
    @Crismodin Před 5 lety +32

    I swear, 15-30 years from now there's going to be commercials on TV of a lady asking if you or a loved one has been around spray foam insulation resulting in cancer and to give them a call for a cut of the compensation. It's going to be right up there with mesothelioma/asbestos.

    • @jakewilcox3363
      @jakewilcox3363 Před 5 lety +2

      already happening

    • @RandyLott
      @RandyLott Před rokem +2

      Closed cell spray foam is safe AFTER it fully cures IF it was installed perfectly and properly. If the ratios are slightly off or the installer tries to go too thick on their passes, it's big trouble!

    • @aaronlohr8477
      @aaronlohr8477 Před 7 měsíci

      It turned my dog gay!! Join the class action lawsuit!!

  • @Buildingscienceacademy
    @Buildingscienceacademy Před 3 lety +11

    With closed-cell spray foam being a vapor barrier, are you worried about moisture getting trapped between the roof deck and spray foam? If so, it would rot out the roof decking.

    • @johnnybravoBoyah
      @johnnybravoBoyah Před 3 lety +3

      And the county code clowns wont pay a cent 🙃

    • @jheiny1231
      @jheiny1231 Před 2 lety +4

      Well once you replace your roof and possibly your roof sheathing all that spray in insulation will come out with the old sheathing. Would never do that. All u do is install roof insulation baffles and leave a min of 1 inch air gap behind insulation to roof sheathing. This makes sure the air behind insulation stays cool with air flow from soffit vents to ridge cap still working

    • @avlisk
      @avlisk Před rokem

      @@jheiny1231 I was surprised they didn't install those before spraying.

  • @Spartan1234ish
    @Spartan1234ish Před 9 lety +9

    Insulation is important but the water doesn't stop at the bottom edge of the roof, it stops in the gutters and freezes. It builds up in the gutters until it reaches the top of the facial board. Then the ice crawls into the gap that is between the top of the facial board and the roof deck, then it fills up the soffit, then enters the house. When it reaches warm air it turns to water. Even if it gets under the shingles there is ice barrier at the bottom edge not felt paper. Code in any snowy region is two passes of ice barrier at the bottom edge of the roof then felt paper the rest of the way, anything under a 4/12 pitch gets completely covered in ice shield/barrier. To prevent this from happening you need to remove the gutter, install new ice barrier but this time leave 3 inches of ice barrier hanging over the bottom edge. This then gets folded down over the facial board or aluminum then install the gutter over the ice barrier closing the gap between the top of the facial board and roof deck. That's the correct way. It's all about doing it right in the first place.

  • @WhatIsMisophonia
    @WhatIsMisophonia Před 9 lety +2

    I'm not a huge fan of spray foam for a variety of reasons, but it is good in specific applications where more r-value per inch is necessary.

  • @garryr
    @garryr Před 10 lety +6

    Great for those of us that own old 1 1/2 story homes but what about air flow under the roof? Should there not be a baffle so air flow can come up from the soffet and out the roof vent or was this because there was no real attic

    • @architecture_A51
      @architecture_A51 Před 5 lety +1

      Because of the properties of closed cell spray foam, this technique is both acceptable and a good solution. Another aspect is to keep the interior humidity down (RH). The risk of water vapor condensing on the underside of the roof sheathing is extremely low and depends on the climate zone. Many types of unvented techniques do work if they're done correctly and the climate zone is factored in.

    • @jheiny1231
      @jheiny1231 Před 2 lety +1

      Well once you replace your roof and possibly your roof sheathing all that spray in insulation will come out with the old sheathing. Would never do that. All u do is install roof insulation baffles and leave a min of 1 inch air gap behind insulation to roof sheathing. This makes sure the air behind insulation stays cool with air flow from soffit vents to ridge cap still working

  • @poshko41
    @poshko41 Před rokem

    So not only are you conditioning the space, but you're preventing that warm air from escaping the attic and warming the roof, right?

  • @justinbarney6286
    @justinbarney6286 Před 5 lety +5

    Something to watch for when it comes to these companies that use spray insulation, is that they often "fluff" the insulation in. For example ...when you're looking at adding 10 lbs. of insulation, what they often do is use only 5 lbs., and then charge you for that 10 lbs.

    • @raskal8578
      @raskal8578 Před rokem

      Likely the reason some of these applications fail.

  • @tkjazzer
    @tkjazzer Před 3 lety +2

    Glad they talked about fire risk with synthetic foam

  • @RedStorm.
    @RedStorm. Před 3 lety +6

    What about venting to the ridge vent?

    • @mikesmith-lr8ec
      @mikesmith-lr8ec Před 3 lety +1

      That's what I was wondering about

    • @jheiny1231
      @jheiny1231 Před 2 lety

      Well once you replace your roof and possibly your roof sheathing all that spray in insulation will come out with the old sheathing. Would never do that. All u do is install roof insulation baffles and leave a min of 1 inch air gap behind insulation to roof sheathing. This makes sure the air behind insulation stays cool with air flow from soffit vents to ridge cap still working

  • @Faruk651
    @Faruk651 Před rokem

    I wonder if any bumps created under the shingles because of expanding foam. There must be some gaps on the roof deck where foam expanded towards outside.

  • @mrzif0013
    @mrzif0013 Před 7 měsíci

    ok, I get that and salt is rusting nails and gutters but is salt bad for the actual shingle?

  • @831CROW
    @831CROW Před 2 lety +1

    I thought if u use spray foam it's difficult to sell your house

  • @Now_lets_get_this_straight

    Or just install an ice shield rubber adhesive barrier strip on the plywood along the top edge of the roof.!

    • @Faruk651
      @Faruk651 Před rokem

      Ahhaaa you know that barrier gets hundreds of nails go thru it when shingles installed. If you believe all the holes self seals than you probably still believe in Santa.

  • @ad28vikes1
    @ad28vikes1 Před 6 lety

    You need 2 inch gap on the rafters for ventilation from the soffits. You can then apply your insulation. Just a matter time for the wood boards to be rotten.

  • @ananzo360
    @ananzo360 Před 4 lety +6

    So does keeping the windows in attic open in the winter helps?

    • @ethereal_synapse
      @ethereal_synapse Před 3 lety +1

      A bit late to comment, but yes it will help assuming that the attic floor is air tight to the house. The huge danger is that rain/snow can easily blow through an open window even with a screen, so a gable vent with 45deg fins would be the permanent solution.

  • @montanaplease
    @montanaplease Před rokem

    How does roof vent work when you spray foam it all up like that ?

  • @RedStorm.
    @RedStorm. Před 3 lety +2

    Foam with not vents will fry the shingles

  • @TedKidd
    @TedKidd Před 8 lety +7

    Fiberglass insulation on top of a leaky floor in the attic may do nothing but redirect air leakage to the eaves, making the dams worse.
    Conflating air sealing with insulation is perpetuating dogma. Nice lesson on Ice Dams but incomplete. Wish they'd done a better job distinguishing between stack driven air leakage and heat loss.
    Redefining attics with foam is a FANTASTIC home improvement - If you have comfort issues this is likely to significantly improve comfort in the rest of your house too. Overfilling 2lb foam and shaving is overkill imo.
    Folks, most of your performance problems are due to air leakage, not insulation levels.

    • @Faruk651
      @Faruk651 Před rokem

      I agree. Very first thing is to make the house air tight and have proper/controlled whole house ventilation via HRV or ERV.

  • @philmoore71
    @philmoore71 Před 3 lety

    goodness - this is an issue i am trying to remedy NOW :)
    Tks YT suggesting vids for me

  • @mvcharisma2968
    @mvcharisma2968 Před 10 měsíci

    Now with the spray foam you’ll never see your roof leak until it’s completely rotten. Most roofers won’t warranty a roof with spray foam insulation

  • @Faruk651
    @Faruk651 Před rokem

    Are you sure that is closed cell. I am no pro but i that stuff that you guys sprayed expanded like an open cell.

  • @ryanroberts1104
    @ryanroberts1104 Před 4 lety +2

    Spray foam most certainly is a do it yourself job. They sell rather large kits of the 2 part mix for this. It is indeed marketed directly to homeowners, and it's not that difficult. TOH is supposed to be a do it yourself show but it seems like mostly they just say "hire a guy". This was a big job and maybe better hired out, but you can definitely do smaller areas quite easily and relatively low cost.

    • @Faruk651
      @Faruk651 Před rokem

      Ok, I'll tell my mom to buy the kit and go up in the attic.

    • @j.frankparnell3087
      @j.frankparnell3087 Před rokem

      Well, to be fair, the video came out 6 years before your comment.

    • @ryanroberts1104
      @ryanroberts1104 Před rokem

      @@j.frankparnell3087 Spray foam ain't anything new.

  • @ebrammer2525
    @ebrammer2525 Před 3 lety +1

    Cna this be done on houses with soffit vents?

  • @koltonriley5929
    @koltonriley5929 Před 3 měsíci

    Spray foam like that just tickles me the wrong way.. what if they install it wrong and some of the foam doesn't set and cure? What if I get a roof leak, how will I find it before it become a problem? There has to be a better way. I don't like permanent spray foam.

  • @luisfamador7784
    @luisfamador7784 Před 5 lety +1

    Is diferent ways to do .all depend on what state you live ..every person or company work diferent and every state have diferent rules

  • @CougarLand
    @CougarLand Před 7 lety +5

    Of course the rafters are still exposed and therefore transfer some heat, so might as well toss a layer of XPS on it also before the drywall.

    • @77Avadon77
      @77Avadon77 Před 7 lety +1

      The thermal bridging is very minimal but you could do the XPS if you want to get crazy. They're in such a tiny space that it seems already so overkill.

    • @meandnature6452
      @meandnature6452 Před 4 lety

      its not a tiny space? its the roof of the whole house

  • @Chuck59ish
    @Chuck59ish Před 10 lety +8

    Be sure to check your local building codes, they vary from state to state, province to province, country to country.

    • @bird9455
      @bird9455 Před 5 lety +4

      What if i live on a different planet?

  • @JohnSmith-ef6rg
    @JohnSmith-ef6rg Před 11 měsíci

    What is half inch wall wood?

  • @williamsimons6646
    @williamsimons6646 Před 6 lety +2

    Question... None of the wood in my home walls are vented. They are sealed in tight, wrapped in foam insulation outside and then with vinyl and inside with drywall and years worth of non-breathable paint. Why don't these studs rot?

    • @martinbyrne6643
      @martinbyrne6643 Před 3 lety +2

      They will ‘ have patience

    • @JK-hd2zb
      @JK-hd2zb Před rokem

      They don't get nearly as hot as the roof decking, but in time they will rot as well

  • @shirleyporter9025
    @shirleyporter9025 Před 5 lety +5

    This foam was all the rage in the UK about 15 years ago.......until rafters began to rot away about 5-10 years later. No one uses it any more.

    • @MM2009
      @MM2009 Před 5 lety +4

      UK houses... disgrace to every builder in this world. Also lack of education in the trade result in all this damp, cold, inefficient brick and mortar cavity crap you call a house.

  • @narithkhem8109
    @narithkhem8109 Před rokem

    Is spray foam resist with water?

  • @boedillard8807
    @boedillard8807 Před 3 lety

    Is it possible to heat under the overhang? I'll be doing closed cell inside the attic but I want to encourage the snow to come off my roof.

  • @drewcipher896
    @drewcipher896 Před 6 lety +1

    That's a beautiful attic.

  • @burningkarma
    @burningkarma Před 4 lety

    Get your attic properly insulated and keep your gutters clean.

  • @AnubhavShah
    @AnubhavShah Před 5 lety

    I dont understand, what about soffit vent baffles running to the ridge vent? Are they needed?

  • @dennisthemenance5433
    @dennisthemenance5433 Před 8 lety

    Talk about Over Kill! Reg. 6" Insulation in the Floor with a 6 Mill Plastic Sheeting stapled down, seals any air leaks. Top Off the Floor with simple 1/2" Ext.GradeSheeting for a Finished and safe floor ..Vent the Attic! With Gable End Vents + Mushroom Vents in the Roof every 5 ft.. Has been good enough for decades!

    • @mortalstorm
      @mortalstorm Před 8 lety +2

      +Selna Goodhead The homeowner said he wanted to use the attic as living space...therefore insulating the rafters was his only option.

    • @dennisthemenance5433
      @dennisthemenance5433 Před 8 lety +1

      If just going to use it as a Heated Storeage space & Lite duty use Room? Just get Approved Electrical installed by a Union IBEW guy.. to Spray Liquid Foam, cost about $3000.Installing a 6" thick Radiant Foam ...
      But I would install my own Closed Cell Barrier Panels is another Option) Cut and Fit inbtwn the Rafters would be 50% Cheaper..Top it off with a Drywall Ceiling and good to go.and can do it yourself !

  • @brock5925
    @brock5925 Před 3 lety +1

    How do you know if there is a roof leak?

    • @baxt1412
      @baxt1412 Před 2 lety

      You find out in the walls on 1st or 2nd level after it can’t penetrate the foam so then goes down the walls via gravity

  • @thebigdoghimself
    @thebigdoghimself Před 5 lety

    Lots of comments about whether this was the right thing to do or not. I only have two words about this project. Thermal bridging. In the north, it's an issue.

  • @born2mack481
    @born2mack481 Před 4 lety

    Do i cover my artic vents in winter to keep the cold out ?

  • @scotthupke9236
    @scotthupke9236 Před 6 lety +1

    Is this good to use under a metal roof?

  • @pikepowers5287
    @pikepowers5287 Před 3 lety

    But what about venting for cat condensation super important

  • @BlueGamerDude
    @BlueGamerDude Před 5 lety

    wont the foam close in the wood and it will cause moisture

  • @jackczertok9307
    @jackczertok9307 Před 6 lety

    Can I use spray foam if I only have a ridge vent ,and how far do I go with it.

  • @genius-no5sl
    @genius-no5sl Před 6 lety +1

    Brilliant material

  • @saturn0660
    @saturn0660 Před 8 lety +2

    May seem like a dumb question.... But if they did all that why not just finish that area to the right at the end of the video.

    • @bombaysaphiregt
      @bombaysaphiregt Před 7 lety +3

      saturn0660 it looks like that area you are talking about is an internal wall and doesn't need to be insulated

  • @bylek5000
    @bylek5000 Před 9 lety +1

    That spray cell foam is very flammable. Very good insulation though.

  • @BigRalphSmith
    @BigRalphSmith Před 7 lety +14

    Wow.
    There are a lot of people commenting here that are really ignorant about how this system works.
    They want to keep applying attributes of conventional insulation methods to the spray foam methods.
    They are nothing like each other and the weaknesses of one don't apply to the other and vise versa.

  • @DatFaceDoe
    @DatFaceDoe Před 5 lety +5

    Not from Canada that's for sure!

  • @21gonza21
    @21gonza21 Před 4 lety +1

    What was used for the wall board?

  • @cesarespinal8151
    @cesarespinal8151 Před 3 lety

    This guy knows it all 👍👍👍

  • @EricLS
    @EricLS Před 5 lety +2

    In Alaska, you better baffle that roof sheathing with eave vents, because even R38 ain't gonna stop it.

  • @BobbyBaloney
    @BobbyBaloney Před 6 lety +9

    What a shame to see that beautiful wood roof and structure being ruined with that foam. When you'll want to replace a piece or intervene on the structure, good luck getting rid of that stuff.

    • @architecture_A51
      @architecture_A51 Před 5 lety +3

      Your comment is odd. So you like losing all your expensive heated air to the outside? and cause ice damming that rots out roofs all over the country? There is a reason we insulate the building envelope and a good reason we don't build em like we use too.

  • @TomO-if7nh
    @TomO-if7nh Před 7 lety +1

    Why don't you show putting up the half inch whatever you said to make it up to code?

  • @victorianhouse95
    @victorianhouse95 Před 8 lety +29

    Old Historic House Owners: if you want to list your home on the historic registry, DO NOT use any spray foam insulation before you FIRST check your state codes. Also, if you have an original self-ventilating slate roof, understand that this is NOT a good idea!

    • @ryanemge7659
      @ryanemge7659 Před 5 lety

      @Dave Gill Im curious if there is a venting from soffit to ridge if the slate will still get too hot?

    • @shadowblack1987
      @shadowblack1987 Před 4 lety +1

      He is in the US. Nothing historical it's like... 300? Years old lol

  • @fiftyslady8945
    @fiftyslady8945 Před 5 lety

    thank you!

  • @IGoProEVERYTHING
    @IGoProEVERYTHING Před 3 lety

    No rafter vent?

    • @jamesmcnaughton5092
      @jamesmcnaughton5092 Před 3 lety

      Not needed

    • @IGoProEVERYTHING
      @IGoProEVERYTHING Před 3 lety

      @@jamesmcnaughton5092 Why not? If you do not mind?

    • @jamesmcnaughton5092
      @jamesmcnaughton5092 Před 3 lety

      @@IGoProEVERYTHING closed cell insulation acts as a vapor barrier not allowing any air to hit the underside roof deck which would normally cause condensation if fiberglass insulation was used

  • @mcbastard_tv6927
    @mcbastard_tv6927 Před 6 lety +1

    What does it smell like when they are done spraing that foam.
    🤘😎💨💨

  • @CyndiLH
    @CyndiLH Před 5 lety

    I was told that the insulating spray foam wicks water / moisture...is there another product? And what about the chemical off-gassing of the spray foam, especially if it is applied too thickly?

    • @AndrewMerts
      @AndrewMerts Před 5 lety +2

      Closed cell foam does not absorb moisture, when applied more than two inches thick it's considered a vapor barrier. One tradeoff of this is that if there is a leak in your roof, you won't notice the problem until the roof decking is rotted out because the spray foam will seal it off below. As for off-gassing, if spray foam is installed properly by a reputable professional it only produces fumes during the application process. Once the spray foam is cured it's inert foam that doesn't give off any VOCs, the problem is if the spray foam isn't applied properly because it isn't mixed properly at the nozzle, the mixture ratio is wrong, contamination, etc it can leave behind some unreacted chemicals that will off-gas until the foam is ripped out and applied properly. It pays to use a trained professional to apply spray foam insulation as the application process can be tricky and mistakes can mean having to rip it out.

    • @andrewterry8092
      @andrewterry8092 Před 5 lety +2

      I just had closed cell foam applied to 3 walls in a room in our house. Within an hour or two after the installers left, I could not smell anything from the foam, the worst smell when they were actually spraying was just like the smell of paint, and now it is gone. Well worth it in our 100 year old house, there was no other way to seal up the walls when the sheathing is the original 1" plank boards, shrunk down and with gaps between after all these years, but still sturdy and solid. We plan to spray foam the attic rafters next, exactly like they did in this video. We don't have an ice dam problem, standing seam roof on a 9/12 pitch the snow slides right off after every storm.

    • @CyndiLH
      @CyndiLH Před 5 lety

      We had closed cell foam applied in our attic by professionals and not experiencing any concerns...did it after we installed a bunch of LED lights (with boots)...we also confirmed that our attic has sufficient venting with baffles before the cellulose went in

  • @marinmilanovic916
    @marinmilanovic916 Před 6 lety

    I think glass wool is better

  • @400hpmustang
    @400hpmustang Před 4 lety +1

    I always thought you never install insulation on the roof itself??

    • @cdoublejj
      @cdoublejj Před 4 lety

      my question as well. maybe because of possible leaks? of course metal roof could likely solve that.

    • @400hpmustang
      @400hpmustang Před 4 lety

      @@cdoublejj A metal roof is final, snow doesn't stick to it.

    • @jimhendrix7776
      @jimhendrix7776 Před 4 lety

      I thought it still needed ventilation between the roof and the sprayed in foam???? Soffits and a ridge vent???

    • @jamesmcnaughton5092
      @jamesmcnaughton5092 Před 3 lety

      @@jimhendrix7776 nope not necessary in closed cell insulation

    • @jheiny1231
      @jheiny1231 Před 2 lety

      Well once you replace your roof and possibly your roof sheathing all that spray in insulation will come out with the old sheathing. Would never do that. All u do is install roof insulation baffles and leave a min of 1 inch air gap behind insulation to roof sheathing. This makes sure the air behind insulation stays cool with air flow from soffit vents to ridge cap still working

  • @benjaminblack5888
    @benjaminblack5888 Před 5 lety +6

    Very poor method of insulating the underside of the roof. It should have first had air baffling installed to keep the foam directly off the wood decking.

    • @benjaminblack5888
      @benjaminblack5888 Před 5 lety

      Check with the APA (AMERICAN PLYWOOD ASSOCIATION) about having ventilation on one side of the sheathing.

    • @ryanemge7659
      @ryanemge7659 Před 5 lety

      @J M If there is no air ventilation from soffit to ridge, and water gets through the roof sheathing, then the roof sheathing will rot out.

    • @Affordablebath_remodel
      @Affordablebath_remodel Před 5 lety +2

      @@ryanemge7659 if water gets past the shingles that is not a good thing insulation or not

    • @ryanemge7659
      @ryanemge7659 Před 5 lety

      @@Affordablebath_remodel Yeah its def bad regardless, however with a vent channel the moisture will run to the soffits rather than rotting out the roof sheathing. That's a better situation to have as less damage is likely to occur and you will get visibility to having a problem sooner. I have a friend who worked on a customers roof that didnt vent, and the foam worked so well that they didn't know they had a problem until they replaced their roof (when the shingles were at the end of their life). As a result they had a major repair, as much of the sheathing was rotted out and several of the rafters needed replaced. They ended up removing all the foam and put in vents and refoamed everything. So they did the project 2 times, instead of spending a day installing rafter baffles to begin with.

    • @renalshomlmes338
      @renalshomlmes338 Před 5 lety

      @@ryanemge7659 what if there is no soffit?

  • @luisalbertocruz2313
    @luisalbertocruz2313 Před 8 lety +2

    No baffles?

    • @dave4854
      @dave4854 Před 8 lety +1

      +Luis Cruz no baffles because they sealed up the roof and in between the joists, if they had insulated the floor, then they would need baffles between the joist to keep the roof cool

  • @pkwindow
    @pkwindow Před 10 lety

    this method has mixed reviews. some say that it decreases the life of your shingles and then some say that it doesn't hurt? anyone know the truth?

    • @AndreiTurea
      @AndreiTurea Před 7 lety +1

      vented attic allow the heat to escape, spray foam keeps the heat out of the house and makes the shingle to absorb more heat.

    • @Faruk651
      @Faruk651 Před rokem

      Use your logic. Think about a very hot summer day, being underside of your asphalt shingles. Wouldn't it be nice to have some breeze. Shingles think the same way.

  • @krn14242
    @krn14242 Před 10 lety +14

    Not the cheapest solution either.

    • @ryanroberts1104
      @ryanroberts1104 Před 4 lety

      Not everybody is looking for cheap. It's really not as expensive as you might think, about $1/board foot. (1 square foot 1" thick) Most people don't need R38 either, outside of New England.

  • @jerparker6538
    @jerparker6538 Před 6 lety

    how do you feel about radiant barrier attic insulation?
    Is this a good solution you use?

  • @MsUltrafox
    @MsUltrafox Před 6 lety +4

    Spray foam is way too dangerous because if the sprayer applies just a little too much it could give off toxic fumes for a very very long time making the whole house uninhabitable.
    Hard foam panels also have a high insulation and is fairly thin.
    Thicker isn't always better.

  • @mainlawcafewv7681
    @mainlawcafewv7681 Před 6 lety

    Use much longer shingles.

    • @martinbyrne6643
      @martinbyrne6643 Před 3 lety

      Shingles are the worst type of roofing materials u can use ‘ the yanks love it

    • @Faruk651
      @Faruk651 Před rokem

      @@martinbyrne6643 Yes, because it is cheap and nobody likes anything to be life long in North Murica.

  • @TNtoolman
    @TNtoolman Před 10 lety +8

    A good dam video...

  • @charlie2king
    @charlie2king Před 5 lety

    It's not fire proof?

  • @sharkysmachine9248
    @sharkysmachine9248 Před 3 lety +2

    So sad TOH Never mentions CO$T .... nice to know

    • @AnubhavShah
      @AnubhavShah Před 3 lety

      much better solution is to use ridgid board insulation which is DIY task.

  • @sam111880
    @sam111880 Před 6 lety

    Great so now i get the foam insulation for surrounding walls and between rafters if your making your attic a live in attic but still when you go with a blown in vs a foam insulation. I get when to uses roll out insulation with paper just not when to use blown in or foam for rafters and surrounding walls of floors... If there is even a significant difference other then getting the right R value for insulation quality.

  • @lejordan826
    @lejordan826 Před 5 lety

    Who does not put insulation in the attic? Loss heat

  • @JK-hd2zb
    @JK-hd2zb Před rokem

    Never use toxic spray foam, use foam board if you must use a foam product

  • @rooferscalgary
    @rooferscalgary Před 3 lety

    There goes your shingle warranty!

  • @AnubhavShah
    @AnubhavShah Před 3 lety +1

    it should be mentioned that: 1) this can potentially have a negative impact on shingles and roof sheathing (trapping moisture, some have recommended adding baffles for soffit to ridge for venting) 2) there is still thermal bridging issues in that the RAFTERS you see in the video will lose heat and you can clearly see the lines on your roof formed after snowfall where it has melted ... SO i wish i myself had instead USED baffles within the gaps, THEN mineral wool (due to fire retardant and water resistance properties, and then a layer of RIDGID foam over the rafters, and finally a layer of firecode drywall.

  • @coasttal123
    @coasttal123 Před 3 lety +1

    If you get any leak from that roof, the closed cell foam will hold that water to the underside of the roof and you will rot it. Bad advice.

    • @jackfarrell4727
      @jackfarrell4727 Před 3 lety

      I agree with you, not a fan of spray foam or spray insulation

  • @hyperflys
    @hyperflys Před 7 lety +2

    better off building a double roof. Put 1 feet of roxual on the outside, 6" in the rafters, then 6" sofit gap and then another roof with shingles.

  • @CaptainEverythingHumorandMore

    I heard nightmares about spray foam causing sickness. Where were the vents from the soffit to the Ridgeline? oh well.

    • @PhotonHerald
      @PhotonHerald Před 6 lety +1

      If applied incorrectly, yes, Spray Foam can be a Bad Thing.
      Done properly, and the only thing you get is a better insulated house.
      Also, not every roof assembly needs to be ventilated.
      That attic area is now conditioned space. So it falls to your HVAC system to properly dehumidify the area.

  • @dongking6245
    @dongking6245 Před 5 lety +1

    What about just using string to hold up your sheets of insulation ? Dont get me wrong I like the idea of the spray foam it just seems to be a more practical full coverage and quicker process without having to play in some insulation fiber but if your using the fiber r brand stuff insulation pink pillow rolls then you can staple it up or staple s few lines of string up against the framing whatever depth you think holds the insulation at its proper best functioning place and itll hold that shit it those stud bats until you board it up I'd save a little and use some cheaper 1/4" board sheet rock probably go lighter then that myself and use just quarter inch sheets of the cheap press board or that tack board stuff from home depot its only got to be a barrier for the insulation to be kept to it's own engineered thermostat before it will ever fall/flake apart getting into any valuable breathing air so just do a good job at whatever your doing if something don't make sense ask a friend or meet a new one maybe a neighbor you drive past every day is a construction guy and you see the material in the truck so just ask questions be friendly ask someone who knows what they are talking about and who speaks proper English and if you hire someone do the same and remember you usually get what you pay for who does the job best who do you know you can trust more? Cmon now folks stereo types are usually for a reason it does not make you a racist asshole bigot to do what you know and say or express or fight or build for what you know is real and what you know has been in a down fall for all the ways ..... you already freekn know rightfully said and you can not deny the way you feel as if shits going to hit the fan on your lifetime this coming time so use the real common sense to get the facts straight open your dammed eyes and only speak up when you know the ways of another the ways of a free peaceful happy safe nation are being intentionally infringed upon this is evil vs good no matter what you believe you are apart of a system built on a planet that will self destruct by means of an outside force evil and it seeks to destroy your any chance at water getn thru and molding your weak roofs ..... build a solid foundation there are times to go easy and times to build hard for to better take the fowl weather the first thing to mind is usually your concious from your inner it just is heard in your open tolerant to temptation brain because that's where your ears of your body are try hearing as well with the one thing that you actually have any chance at keeping healthy free of rot and mildew and no leaks unless you just build yours like a lazy lieing..... fool

  • @paulallstate8927
    @paulallstate8927 Před 8 lety +24

    These guys replying to this video are ignorant to the fact that venting is only needed if the heat would travel to the shingle from the house. With this system that will not happen. also the shingle are a breathable system especially with the breathable underlayment being used by industry pros. unless you have ice and water shield going on the entire roof deck you won't have a ussue with this system.

    • @77Avadon77
      @77Avadon77 Před 7 lety +2

      Yes if you got a super hot attic and a super cold outside temp you could have shingle issues. Hot on the bottom, cold ontop does make things curl because there is a thermal differential. But with closed cell foam inside those rafters, as you noted, it alleviates the problem.

    • @77Avadon77
      @77Avadon77 Před 7 lety +2

      Yes if you use closed cell foam you don't need sofit vents. You'll plug those up. You now have a conditioned space and don't need to bring outside air in for heating, cooling and mold resistance.
      Sofit vents are to bring cool air from the edge of the roof (lowest part) in so that the hot air at the top of the attic will go out the roof vents. It acts somewhat like a venturi. If you're letting hot air rise out of the top of the roof it will draw air in from below since you're creating low pressure and thus it will draw air in from the sofit. The reason for this is to cool your attic. So this was the old way it was done, which worked okay but it brought the outside air into the envelope of the building (roof line) so you're actual thermal envelope was now ontop of your ceiling.
      A much better innovation which started a few decades ago is to push the thermal envelope outside of the ceiling insulation and beyond the roof. So now the whole house becomes the thermal envelope. Cold and hot air no longer permeate the building. Our barrier is now further out and the attic now becomes a conditioned space just like the inside of your rooms. This actually alleviates ice dams since hot air is no longer escaping/bleeding through the ceiling up into the attic, it also keeps the house much cooler in summer and much warmer in winter just like a thermus does. It also greatly reduces the energy needed for heating and cooling reducing power costs and helping the environment. It really is a win/win which is why it's been adopted. The only downside if any is that it is expensive.

    • @BB-nn9en
      @BB-nn9en Před 6 lety +3

      10" of snow is between R10 and R20 depending on density. This will cause your roof to warm up no matter how much insulation you have sprayed underneath it. Also, the siding can warm up with the sun on it. That heat goes up.... right under your soffits and melts your snow causing an ice dam. If you live in an area where you get snow you NEED to vent your roof.

    • @BenjaminBennett
      @BenjaminBennett Před 6 lety +2

      check the latest research, it needs a vent , go watch it here from an expert czcams.com/video/Ld8pzIu45F8/video.html

    • @henriksalvesen2788
      @henriksalvesen2788 Před 6 lety +1

      that used to be thinking in Norway aswel, now it`s code to either have vented roof (Cold air under sloper roof) or downpe from the roof positioned internally (typical flat roof).
      Looking at youtube, in many of these aspects it semms the US is lagging 20 years behind.

  • @mainlawcafewv7681
    @mainlawcafewv7681 Před 6 lety

    Don't use shingles.

  • @andydaddy2009
    @andydaddy2009 Před 3 lety +2

    should be called " when you need to replace your roof deck.. yank the whole thing off with a crane " because you will never get that off the trusses and bottom of the deck//

  • @babelfishdude
    @babelfishdude Před 7 lety

    Why don't they just manufacture a double height shingle for the overhang?

  • @smug8567
    @smug8567 Před 5 lety

    Imagine all the other costs associated with this property! You would have to have a TEAM of gardeners for example.

  • @AlongtheFarClimbDown843
    @AlongtheFarClimbDown843 Před 5 lety +8

    Always befriend your local building-code inspector and then have an adulterous affair with his wife.

  • @johnnybravoBoyah
    @johnnybravoBoyah Před 3 lety

    F that code.. is the county paying for the extras 🤔

  • @gabrielgonzales9958
    @gabrielgonzales9958 Před 7 lety

    Construccion

  • @martinbyrne6643
    @martinbyrne6643 Před 3 lety

    The rafters can’t breathe with that foam ‘ they will choke to death and your roof will fall in ‘ timber is like ourselves it needs to breathe

    • @jamesmcnaughton5092
      @jamesmcnaughton5092 Před 3 lety

      You are absolutely wrong, a sealed rafter bay with CLOSED CELL insulation does not have to breath, do you really think this would pass insulation inspection if this was not the right application?

  • @wbenken7655
    @wbenken7655 Před rokem

    Never do this.

  • @augustreil
    @augustreil Před 5 lety

    I'll be here tomorrow to answer all the ridiculous theories to do with spray foam. Looking forward to all the bogus comments !

  • @21gonza21
    @21gonza21 Před 5 lety +2

    Cover area with 1/2 wall wood?? Ton of work, I’d just insulate the ceiling attic and not the roof...