More Power! BHP UK ECU Remap With Dyno Runs I 2021/22 KTM 1290 Super Adventure S
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2022
- Yes, you read that correctly! Let's get my 160bhp 1290 KTM Super Adventure S remapped!
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It was a pleasure to meet you Sam and work on your beast! We hope you had a good time and hopefully we can get out riding the next time you're up North! Can't wait to see your future videos and what you get up to, ride safe 🔥🙌
Thank you! Love it and really enjoyed the experience. Really appreciate it 🙌🏼
I'm currently in Peru living. I was wondering if you've worked on the KTM 990 adventure. I'm currently at 3,750 m I love this bike but damn it's very spotty in the rev range. Because I'm nearly 7,000 miles away from the UK I was wondering if it's possible I could buy a map from you and flash it myself obviously will never be as good as a rolling road but at least something to help
Great video Sam, I was glad to be a part of it. That was one of the best weekends of the year. Next weeks vid will reveal more 🤜🤛
Thank you mate! Appreciate you sticking around too, I know it was a long ol' day!
Good to have had you here Mark!
I don't know why but I love watching this shit. I just love remapping.
Maybe because I saw the changes first hand when I remapped my FJ09.
Great Stuff.
Haha! I know what you mean, it's odd to watch but I love watching the process of them working out how to make things better! Thanks for watching!
Great vid, very good upgrade
Thank you!
Excellent video Sam. Going to pull the trigger on 2023 SAS unless KTM does something silly. Waiting is tough though.. :)
Thank you bud! I've seen spy shots of a new super Duke and GT, but I don't think they will update the SAS this soon...at least I hope not haha! You won't regret It If you do! Thank you for watching
Great video, very interesting
Thank you!
Excellent video.
Thank you mate!
Interesting upload Sam, it's nice to see what goes on with remaps and the final results. Euro legislation is strangling bikes these days and I'm sure it will get worse. Gretta has a lot to answer for!
Thank you bud! Yes Greta definitely does haha! I dread to think how restrictive the Euro 6 regs are going to be
@@SamVBikes I shudder to think, it's like the crazy plans to increase the 20mph to all built up areas, it's counter productive. I tried driving at 20mph in my diesel van 😭but it meant I had to use a lower gear, increasing the revs by 500rpm, which was a increase of 50%. The increase in engine cycles means more pollution, plus I'm in the area for longer as I'm driving slower is bound to increase pollution. The politicians don't think things through.
The plan for 20mph on the current national restriction A and B roads is mental!! I understand those tiny little back lanes which are barely wide enough for a car, but the others are madness haha. That's precisely it bud, get charged a small fortune to drive your car into a city, yet most of the buses, rubbish collection lorries, taxis etc are all massive diesel engines that go stop to stop, and sit there idling! Make those all electric, with conductive charging points at each stop/taxi rank etc and that would save a huge amount of polution!
@@SamVBikes that would be far better. Also, if there are incentives to ride economical bikes from 400cc to 650cc, as they often give over 60 to 70mpg, that would slash congestion and emissions. Logically, bikes like this are the solution not the problem, if you look at any major city in the east, traffic flows and it's mostly small bikes and scooters
1290 does not vibrate that much, it is dubjective anyway, it is v2 so it is in its nature. I had 1190 adventure which was more raw, but the sound with aftermarket exhaust is amazing, had akrapovic can from superduke. 1290 is a lovely bike, ride safe.
Picking up my SAS on the 17th . . .as soon as it;s run in it's getting the BHP treatment :)
Congratulations on the new bike! 👏🏼
@@SamVBikes thankyou!
Nice video mate and timely as I'm picking up my 2022 1290 SAS in 2 days. Hopefully, someone in Australia is on to the mapping like BHP are.. Also, noticed your crash bars, did you go for steel or aluminium?
We can still help you out, even if you're in Australia 😉
Hey! Sorry didn't see your comment! The ones in this vid are the KTM powerparts ones, but I've recently upgraded to the Outback Motortek ones which are far more protective. 22mm steel tube! Vid recently on my channel. BHP will still be able to help you too!
@@BHPUK Awesome.. how do I go about that?
Their contact info is in the description of this vid if that helps
@@BHPUK What about mainland Europe? (Netherlands)
Great video, now I'm off to find someone in the US to tune mine. Thank you!!!
Thank you! Enjoy it
We can do it! Even if you're in the US! 😁
Sounds like the guys at bhp uk know their stuff, also what spotlights have you got installed?
Denali S4's paired with the Hex EZCan for programming! Few vids earlier on the channel
Hey Sam, great videos man, thank you for all that you do.
Quick question, how come your TFT looks different than mine? I really like the round rpm rather than the linear. How can I get it?
Thank you!!!
Thank you!! Of course, It's the "Rally" riding mode. It comes with the Tech Pack if you have that. It allows you to dial your suspension, traction control and throttle response individually. Hope that helps!
@@SamVBikes nice, I didn't know that. Yes I do have that.
Thank you!!!
Enjoy! Thank you for watching
Great video! Very interesting, especially the part about vibration and smoothing out the curve! I heard you talk about fuel consumption, but did not quite catch it as it was in all imperial math ;)
How many miles per tank do you suppose you loose?
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it. I used to get around 280miles from a tank, now I reckon closer to 250, so not awful but the smoothness is worth it 100%
@@SamVBikes So somewhere around 50km if my math is correct. Absolutely worth it I think! Thx
Yes about that! Does drink more if I really get on it haha!
@@SamVBikes Well, I did not get mine to compete with Richard Branson ;)
I´m just thinking about range when riding in places like the Italian alps. Coming from a 1250GSA range was something I never needed to think about ;)
Haha!! I think if we had his money, we would have a bike for every scenario!
Yes that's very true. I reckon as standard I could possibly have got 300 miles but that would have been really pushing it! I'm doing a long run in a few weeks time so will be able to test my theoretical range!
As for the vibrations I had been a little annoyed by them during my 3000km summer trip. The strongest ones sit exactly in the cruising rev range between 3000 and 4500rpm. On some days my hands went numb. Most likely because I wasn't able to get good fuel in Italy, only the 95 rubbish. The SAS responds to higher octane fuel with a smoother engine.
Hi Sam, is the @BHPUK map relevant to just your rally mode? If so, if you changed to sport or street would you get your MPG back to 60+?
Hey, BHP change the air/fuel ratio to remap it. The throttle maps are tied to the throttle bodies opening different percentages instead, so the power increase, smoothness etc is across every mode but with just different responsiveness. So unfortunately not haha!
Si c était comme la super duke v3 ça serait fou 😅 tu l’a essayer ?
Hi @Sam Vincent I just ordered the tune.
Can you please tell me what other modifications did you do apart from fueling smoothness/throttle jerkiness ?
Did I hear in the video that you disabled the engine braking also ? Is there too much exhaust popping now (I like it once in a while but would hate it to pop on each deceleration) ?
Thanks!
Hey! Great news!
The map includes all of that - it's part of the tune. Removing the deceleration restriction is what causes the pops but it's not all the time. Mine does it more if I use low-octane fuel, but it doesn't pop very much when I use higher octane. So if I use 90RON fuel, it pops more, and 99RON it only pops once in a while.
I did wonder if you were getting it mapped 😉 I've been thinking of getting my SAS mapped, like you it's not for more power (though that is always nice), but more for smoothness. Can I ask if you find it better at a slow steady speed, ie 30-40? My bike can feel a bit choppy. Hope you had a good ride out from Hawes, gutted I couldn't make it. L
Haha yes! It's waaaay smoother around that speed. The big thing is the power roll on is much better, so there's no hunting above 5mph. I've found that It seems more comfortable slightly higher up the revs. So I might be in 3rd doing 30mph, instead of 4th. Possibly because I'm not used to it having the grunt to pull where it does now, so I guess it's an adjustment period for my riding. It is VERY relaxed sitting at 85 on the motorway (in Germany obviously...) whereas before I'd be just as comfortable at 75 haha. Ride out was great, but I'll do some more in the future!
@@SamVBikes Good to hear - sounds like a winner 👍
Great video well made thanks and good to see it being done properly . Iam no expert but the plug in or flash things I keep hearing about with 02 sensors deleted etc can’t be right . I’ll be very interested in your mpg difference once you settle down and get used to it . I found a re map on other vehicles made me use more fuel at first because I was enjoying the engine , once I settled down it actually got better mpg .
Thank you! The thing I like about these guys is they do it all with the sensors in place, and adjust how the ECU reacts to the sensor readings instead of just getting rid of them all! MPG isn't as bad as I thought it would be, it's 2 or 3 down on previous but I do think, like you say, I'm sitting slightly faster or more prone to those accelerations out of junctions haha
1290SAS, remapped and ran it for 4years, no increase in mpg, unless you use it. All you doing is smoothing out the response and when you remove the narrowband 02 sensors, open the intake, exhaust and remap, then you not burning more fuel, you just making the motor more efficient. After 9yrs on the 1190S and 1290SAS, best mod is an end can, heated ergo seats, touring screen,. crash bars, skid plate, wire wheels and from new, throw the stock brake pads in the bin to stop the front end shudder you will get which many think is warped disk. Some do warp however most common has been shitty pad/rotor combinations KTM has never addressed. Then stop there, if you do dirt work then a top mount SCOTT damper kit with BRP mount.....I did the Rottie intake but that was due to KTM's rubbish 2013-2021 Airbox "evolution", for the latest model they looked to have sorted their intake out.imho
@@SamVBikes Good, there are only advantages to keeping the sensors 👍 only with a bad remap that you need to remove sensors to make the bike run well, this is because the fuel mixture is too far from good so the oxygen sensor has to constantly try to correct the fuel, if the fuel mixture is smooth and nice from the start the oxygen sensor can easily make the fine adjustments and the engine runs smooth and optimally
Nice ride...
Is any nav you suggest?
I was planning to use my phone with Google maps or Waze as I see it more updated then TomTom or Garmin...
I have a Garmin Zumo XT which is great and it's nice to have it on the bike all the time, but honestly, If you can mount your phone safely without harming it from vibration, and keep it charged, it will be more than good enough
Ideally you want to take the lambda reading from each cylinder rather than putting a probe in the exhaust.
I believe they take readings from the bikes ECU as well as the AFR probe
Sam do you have the graph showing the torque improvements after the BHP re map.
I only have the power and AFR on the graphs I have, but I'm sure BHP can provide that!
Ah, this one... 🙂 So, is there a risk that KTM update will wipe the mapping? Can you have the new funky mapping on just one of the modes i.e. Sport, or does the A/F mapping affect all modes?
Apparently KTM will be able to see that there has been a map, but they won't be able to wipe it without knowledge they are doing so. But if that happens, BHP can load it back on really quickly as they save everything! They adjust the air/fuel ratio, and throttle response across the board, but they could do it I believe if you wanted one mode to do more!
@@SamVBikes cheers bud... might wait until Warranty has run out, then have this done, that way I can ensure they don't wipe it.
A very interesting video. I took out a KTM 1290 super adventure S yesterday and was very surprised how much vibration I was getting through the handlebars and pegs. The ride felt like the bike was riding on the wheel rims. I had even set the suspension on comfort but was on street mode. So disappointed. I have a five year old KTM 1090 adventure S which has never had any mechanical or electrical issues and is so smooth to ride, and surprisingly a lot taller, which for me is ideal because I am 6ft 4. The guy at the dealership was most surprised at my response. I haven't given up yet as will go again but will check out the tyre pressures next time. Do you have any suggestions about my issues with the bike or what settings I should put in. I value your advice. Kind regards
Hey!
It is for some people, but not for others. I have had a few people say this about the bike but I find it okay. It's definitely more vibey than some bikes, but I find it no more than an S1000XR or similar. I'm surprised you felt it coming from a 1090!
The bike is happiest when it's you're engaged with it, not just lazily ridden. It thrives and is happiest when you're riding it harder, or at least using the gears and revs. Up and down the quickshifter, rev it over 5/6k rpm etc.
If you leave it in 5th gear and try to just sit in that gear for corners etc, it vibrates and shakes a LOT.
My dad rode my bike before and really liked it, then rode it again a few weeks ago and said it was really vibey. I can only assume it's because he was trying to ride it like his new Tiger 1200 which can just be left in 4th and not really 'ridden' if you don't want to. When he rode it previously, he had a Tiger 900 so was used to changing gears more, sitting in a higher gear, higher in the revs etc so he was used to the style of riding.
My suggestion, if you'd normally expect to ride a bit of road in 5th, drop down to 4th, and when you come to a corner, use the gears and let it get higher in the revs. On a straight bit of road, it's fine to be in whatever gear, but it's definitely happiest when being pushed in the corners. If you ride it like an oversized Superduke R, it's phenomenal. Then you get onto the motorway, stick it in 6th and its got plenty of torque for overtakes etc.
Hope that helps!
Handle bars vibes I have found was the tyres, the KTM is very sensitive to tyre choice and wear. Foot pegs for me was the fueling, running lean they can make your feet numb. I switched to larger KTM rally pegs with no rubber insert and never had issues however I ran a remapped Power Commanders and Rottie intake
Great video.. was there any effect on temperature?
Thank you! Not that I've noticed so far. It runs pretty warm anyway, but it hasn't cooked me any more than usual!
@@SamVBikes hey Sam thanks for the reply.. I love these KTMs but I'm always curious to hear about temperature on these newer bikes which always run lean and hot! And for some reason no one seems to want to mention the reality of the heat? I have a 2019 1290 SAS which I have modified extensively through Rottweiler to help eliminate lots of the Heat.. and of course add some power and sound.. much improved! 😊
But I am curious about the details of new 1290... how it Compares with the older version and there is any better heat control with the 2 radiator setup??
No problem! You're right! Mine tends to hover around the 90-95 degrees on normal riding, and above when it's ridden hard. The heat channeling is far better on this, those twin rads push air out sideways rather than directly under you, so that definitely helps. It's still a warm bike to ride, but far better. Any engine this big and power is going to be a warm one in my opinion. I found the S1000XR to be a lot worse for example. Just an inline 4 but it's tuned highly so it tends to put out more heat
Does the map help the sometimes snatchy throttle? Sometimes my '22 SAS has a very harsh throttle (especially in 3rd gear) when rolling back on the throttle.
Never mind...you answered that.
Haha! Yes
Hi Sam hope you are good. I am about to it pay on the 1290 remap with BHPuk but just wondered how it is long term. I assume the power delivery is still as was after remap? How are the vibs, any increase over time (not taht there is much to start with)? Cheers Mike
Hey mate! Hope you're good too! I've had zero issues with it since the remap, had it serviced and updated by KTM without losing the map etc. Vibes seem the same as they were when it was done. Definitely less lumpy down low! I think they have a 10% off until the 28th of you're quick. It's in my Motorcycle Live vid last week at the end
Yep wanted to take advantage. Cheers Sam keep up the good work......@@SamVBikes
Cheers bud! Hope you love it as much as I do!
My 18 SAR with a Rottweiler airbox conversion and a dyno-tuned map was 153 at the wheel, so what I'd expect. As an aside, change your clutch slave ASAP. Mine failed causing my clutch to blow apart resulting in a critical motor failure from the debris getting sucked through a running motor.
Yeah definitely in the ballpark. Is the 18 a euro 4 or 5? Oh wow! Okay! What did you change yours to
@@SamVBikes My SAR was an American model, so not certain on the euro certification. Unfortunately I haven't changed it yet since I'm looking for a replacement motor, but it's the very first thing I'd do on any KTM.
Ahh good to know! I'll have a look into it! Cheers
@@thepassionofthegoose5472 Interesting, 9 yrs on the 1190 and 1290SAS, also ran the 1st gen rottie intake however with full arrow header and WINGS end can with PC5+Autotune+POD300 and wire wheels for the dirt, full Touratech luggage and mostly two up riding and track days so they were used.....never had clutch issues. There is a problem when you can pick up say a rock and toss it into the front sprocket and destroy the clutch slave and engine casing in one go, also a lose chain slaps the casing even with the steel chain guided but then you also destroy the swingarm as the slider wears far quicker and eats through the swingarm. Sorry to hear as I know you damage the casing it is typically a total rebuild to split the casings.
How’s the mpg and vibration cruising 80-85mph? And what rpm does it turn?
I’m looking at picking one up but my commute to work is usually cruising 80-85 curious what your thoughts are.
Engine is sitting just under 5k rpm around 85/90. To be honest that speed is now where it seems happiest sitting, vibes are low. It obviously still vibes but way less with the remap. But i dont notice them unless im riding high in the revs. I reckon around 52mpg. I've just ridden back from Scotland fully laden and got that for similar speeds and the odd hard acceleration off a roundabout
@@SamVBikes thanks for the info! I’ve got a tracer 900 right now and commute around 1:15 each way. I’m considering a GS, the SAS and even the new tracer 9GT.
I looked to see if they had done the same with a Ducati Multistrada V4s Sport. Not yet by the looks of it
They had a V4s on their Instagram the other day so I don't think you're going to have to wait long! Might be worth dropping them a call
@@SamVBikes I will Sam thanks
Looks like some nice mapping work. It would have been nice to see the torque curve, or maybe I missed it.
You didn't miss it! I completely forgot to ask for that readout because I was too busy giggling at the exhaust pops!
I'm guessing that you may have picked up a little bit and probably flattened it out across the rpm range. Thanks for sharing!
By the way is there any way for you chaps in the UK to do the SAS delete, decat or any of that bad stuff that makes the machine run better?
I think these guys will happily map it for you with a decat! Not sure on who would do it. Arrow do a decat link pipe for the SAS I think though
Just wondering if you guys can do those things to your bikes in the UK. I have made a few mods to my 1290, but no remap YET 😊
Have you guys done a full exhaust tune on one of these? I’ve seen the dominator exhaust comes with a decat.
Arrow also makes a decat
@@tubejorrit anything I’ve seen on the decaf, seems pointless. I havnt seen any real gains posted from it. Just less weight/heat.
@@red.riot.2280 I agree, cats these days are not that restrictive as they where 20 years ago.
Bung the 02 sensor is 80% of your gains
Did the adjust the timing and did they remove any of the restrictions in the gears?
With my XR from 6 to 9000 rpm when you gave it 100% throttle you got 100%, from 9 to 12000 you only got 78% when you gave it full throttle, they set it to 100% all the way through once the ecu gave it. Hope that makes sense.
Yes that's pretty much what they did on mine. Adjusted the throttle so 50% throttle actually meant 50% throttle etc! Then went through and smoothed out all the fuelling!
@@SamVBikes makes all the difference, mine pulls cleanly from 3000 rpm and I went from 153 to 164 at the back wheel, more than most of sports bikes I’ve owned.
That's an incredibly low drive train loss! Really good! I bet the XR sounds amazing! I yours the black XR they had on their channel a few weeks back?
@@SamVBikes no mine was done near Bristol a few years back, is a gen 1 model, just love it.
Ahh right! Love those, they pop and crackle soo much! 👌🏼
Do you still have your katalysator on the bike? Because that changes even more
Yes I do! I'd love the Titanium headers but I can't afford them haha! You're right, there's even more power to gain without it!
@@SamVBikes We ran the previous 1290SAS with and without the CAT, not much gain besides weight to be made that would justify a full Titanium header, rather fit S/S. If you ride dirt then S/S headers are cheaper and easier to fix than Ti headers, S/S is also less prone to cracking on the mounts on the Big Bore Vtwin that vibe alot. imho
Hi Sam, do you know if BHP are offering this service now or still developing? I’ve got the same set up as you (arrow can), also mine is just 1 year old, any idea how it might affect warranty? Wondering if I should ride it out for another 12 months.
Mine was used as their development bike so they should be good to go with yours! Give them a shout to make sure! Warranty wise, I'm not entirely sure! Mine has 9 months left on its warranty, but I've done 15.5k miles so if anything goes wrong now, I'd assume it would be wear and tear. Anything major, I'd like to think KTM would help regardless
@@SamVBikes Cheers Sam, I’ve emailed them already and used your name so that you can get the credit! Also shared the vid on faceache if that’s ok. Thanks mate
Sounds good! Let me know what they say! Thanks for the credit and the share! Ride safe bud
@@SamVBikes It has taken a while but booked in with BHP this coming Thursday (04/05) :-)
Amazing! Let me know how it goes!
I would like to know how the differences between both cylinders are taken into account with this mod I’m pretty sure that they are handled differently with the stock map (because of heat, etc.) Also I think your fuel economy will suffer in the end (obviously not at stabilised speed). BUT I’m sure it’s worth it. I wish I could do the same here: I have got to look for similar service in France. Cheers
Thats a very good question, and one I don't have the answer to! I know some bikes like the Multistrada have rear cylinder deactivation which this doesn't. Fuel economy hasn't been as bad as I first thought but its definitely worth it!!
The 1190 and 1290 run different maps for front and rear cylinders for every gear even stock. If you mapping with a single 02 at the end can then you wasting potential tuning. Best is always an 02 in each cylinder and mapping EACH gear. I mapped mine using the Autotune and POD over months of various conditions at sea level to perfection. You notice the improvements when touring 2up and loaded with gear chugging at slow speeds or just not needing to running through the gears to get around the trannie snatch. 6th gear, 2 up from 70km/h with zero trannie snatch. Keep in mind you also need to "remove/set" the 02 stock inputs else the ECU will jump between maps at around 4500rpm. No increase in fuel consumption however it is interesting to note that when you engage Cruise Control, KTM leans out the AF immediately by 1.
@@trevorbush3656 Thanks Trevor.
Pity I'm not in the UK.Thanks.
We can still help you out! 😄
I've sent BHP UK a message - the plan is for my 2020 KTM 1290 Superduke GT to get the sauce
Haha! It's definitely a bit saucier!
Not sure if this has been asked are you running the standard air filter? Thank you
Yes currently stock! I'm looking at getting the DNA airbox kit but will get it remapped after to see if that's any better too
Thanks you ive recently purchased a new 1290 super adventure and a wings exhaust and will be taking it to bhp 🤔 just debating a air box or filter first
The Wings sounds great! I'm chatting to them at the moment about the DNA one so If I manage that before the money burns a hole in your pocket, I'll let you know if it's worth it!
@@SamVBikes thank you really appreciate it
Hello,
did they tune the engine with the DB killer removed in the Arrow exhaust or do you drive with the DB killer installed?
I had the DB killer removed
@@SamVBikes when I see what the ECU modification has brought. I would also like to do this modification on my KTM 1290 SA 22. only BHP UK are very far away. I'm from Czech Republic :-). How satisfied are you with the adjustment after such a long time?
The difference remapping after each stage isn't as noticeable as its an incremental change, but it's definitely a huge improvement. If you did the airbox, exhaust and remap all together, the bike would feel like a completely different machine! I only noticed how much faster and smoother mine was when I rode a stock one more recently! I'm super happy with it!
@@SamVBikes I don't want to do major modifications to the airbox. I have the bike in stock, only the Arrow exhaust. I just want to uninstall DB killer and I would like to allow it to modify the map. currently they are adjusting the brakes, I am changing to Stylema brakes + Brembo rcs pump
The airbox isn't a huge modification, just takes a little time to do. It's no more work than changing the brake master cylinder and calipers. You don't need a remap just fitting the exhaust but it makes a difference.
You can remap at any stage, but the more you do to the bike for air flow, the better the response from the remap
You should know that Burnley is in Lancashire not Yorkshire and it's not in the Yorkshire Dales.
That's quite a big increase in fuel consumption after the mapping.
Yes of course! That weekend I was in the Yorkshire Dales for a subscriber ride out, so I was travelling from my BnB which was in the Dales to Burnley.
Increase was quite a bit, but I'll be testing again as we were riding into a headwind on the way back. Not sure if we were on the way up!
Hi Sam is it worth having your ktm 1290 sas remapped or not?
Completely subjective. I think it's worth it to smooth out the lower end, flatten the power curve and get the pops from the exhaust, but it's not a necessity to get it done. Other people may not feel its worth it. Euro 5/6 regulations are very restrictive so if you're modifying your bikes exhaust system etc, it's worth it
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Is bhp uk the only place that will be able to remapp the ktm 1290?
No, many places will be able to do it. BHP develop their map on a dyno. Some companies don't do that so I suggest finding one with a dyno
Will pay for that exact tune in some kind of email download tune
Contact BHP to see if it's something they can offer
What about the O2 sensors?
The 1290 uses narrowband that's whant the afr close to 14.7:1.
All sensors are in still in place. I have the slip on exhaust end can, but no other mods to the system. BHP plug into the bikes ECU to make sure all sensors are monitored, along with their own sensors
Thank' for the reply.
What I ment is that the bike is allways going to get back to the leaner 14.7:1 afr ratio regardless of maping if they are still in use off the ecu?
How do they solved it?
They change the way the ECU responds to the sensors. So when the sensor reports a certain AFR, it will respond with the new setting instead of the standard. I believe that was what they said, but I'm not an expert. The bike has done around 500 miles since the remap and it definitely hasn't gone back to the old mapping
Interesting.
I'm not sure I understand the way they did that, but would defently like to know that.
The full arrow real smoots it out compaired to oem with only a slipon.
Way better midrange also.
Haha yes it's way above my understanding! I know roughly what they said, but I turn up, they do some magic, and it comes out faster and smoother 😂😂. I'd love to get the full titanium headers but they are quite pricey!
So how many extra horses does your KTM have now and how many extra NM compared to the originals did you get?😁😁😁
it's around 11bhp in the mid-range - can't remember the torque figures but it's made a huge difference!
@@SamVBikes gracias😉👍
I've got a 2021 with PipeWerx can. This is really interesting. I'm in Spain. Is it possible to have these mods made to my bike?
I'd suggest finding a local company that has a dyno to be able to test it. It should be similar but I'm not sure it will be the best without being able to test on the dyno
@@SamVBikes I think the trick is finding the right guys to do the work.
Agreed! These guys are amazing but I wouldn't know if they could do it remote!
We can help you out Eric 😃
@@BHPUK sounds like I need to send you an email.
Hı Sam, ı have a simple question: How much?😊
Haha! Good question! I was lucky enough to get this for free as they wanted my bike for development. I believe they are around £399-499 depending on what you have (car or bike etc). I think that's really good considering the amount of work they put in!
Anyone could recommend similar service in Barcelona, Spain? Because it would be quite a long way to UK :)
They do a postal service where they send you the device to plug into your bike! Worth emailing them!
I realise that they are developing this but did they give you an idea what they are going to charge.
I think the full service is 500 based on what people are saying on the FB groups! A lot of people seem to have had it done now and they love it!
That is about where I was expecting it to be. Thanks for info.@@SamVBikes
More than welcome bud!
Looks ok, but it's kind of a half job, especially on a KTM 1290. He is getting A/F ration from the exhaust, which means he doesn't know what happens on each cylinder.
Proper way is to add wide bands on both cylinders and tune each cylinder differently. It's not just for max power, but it's also important for reliability, since it is very common for the rear cylinder to run hotter than the front (no airflow)...
Can't say for definite as I wasn't too involved with the actual map writing, but they plugged into the ECU/OBD port too, taking readings from those. I think the exhaust sensor was a backup AFR reading to ensure they had all measurements.
They were also keen not to just max out the bike and spent hours fine tuning the map to ensure it was smooth and reliable as they know I do high mileage!
Like I said, I can't be certain but they were very professional, took care to get it right from what I saw, and the bike has been a dream to ride since. I've done circa 5k miles since and not a single issue
@@SamVBikes yeah, it's obvious they were not going for max power, and rightfully so...these bikes are meant for high milage and long trips. There's no point sacrificing reliability and mid range smoothness for some extra power near the limiter.
Having said that, The ECU readings are limited by the accuracy of the OEM O2 sensors, which are most definitely narrow band. that's why tuners usually install their own wide band sensors, which (as the name suggests) have a wider band of measuring, and offer much better accuracy directly to the tuner's PC.
Definitely! I do remember them talking about narrow and wide band sensors... but this was months ago now and I can't remember what I had for dinner yesterday, let alone what Cal said to me months back 😂
@@SamVBikes 😆😆😆
144 bhp at back wheel is not a lot, I had 154 bhp at back wheel on dyno (OEM exhaust and Shell Vpower).
Why are you in Rally mode if you want to see acceleration instead of Sport mode? Than you have all the horses available
It depends massively on the Dyno you're testing on. Some are calibrated regularly, some aren't so can read slightly incorrect numbers. A 9% drive train loss is very good from factory. Below 4% is almost unheard of especially if the bike is stock so you've done very well to get 154!
The 2021/22 Super Adventure doesn't have a Race mode. Rally, sport and street all have full power.
Take it to a different dyno and you'll get a different result. Might be worth understanding how these things actually work before making such strong claims.
So why put it on a Dyno if outcome is not reliable? … you end up with a reading that can be 135/145/155 on the same bike …
@@SamVBikes are you sure that all the modes give 160 hp?
The Rain mode and Off Road mode have 100bhp, but all the others have 160ps at the crank. The Super Duke R and Super Duke GT have 178bhp but the Super Adventure models have different injectors and a different cam so won't put those figures out as standard even with a remap.
The engine is not a detuned super duke. It is retuned for a different riding experience and better suited for this bike than the super duke engine wold be without any changes.
Of course, by "essentially a detuned Super Duke" I meant in a physical sense. It's a 1301cc LC8 V-twin which is pretty much the same in every aspect to a Superduke engine. The only difference in the engine I believe are the map, and the injectors
@@SamVBikes cams and flywheel...etc....but yes it is the same as the GT motor, all refined for specific use as a SD motor on the Adventure will make no sense when you loaded up or hitting the dirt, same goes for them not using M50 monoblocks on the Adventure, to much braking power for the dirt which will over whelm the stock suspension.