Mikel Arteta's Rotation Lessons, Kai Havertz Concern & Newcastle United | ft Arseblog
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I don't think Ramsdale, Viera, Nelson and some others thought it was an insignificant game, as they don't know when next they will be playing. The big question is what on earth is Havertz giving us, i really want him to succeed but he is testing the patience of most fans.
The Kai Havertz of Germany is better than the one at Chelsea. The Kai of Chelsea is better than the one of Arsenal. Something is not right in this guy's mind or physical development.
Hey Tom, with regards to Havertz, can you remember how long (number of matches) it took other players to get up to speed in this team? Odegaard was getting criticized for quite a while after he arrived for not showing up or being good enough. Maybe his story is what we should use as a measuring stick to determine if Havertz has been a waste of money (and patience) or not?
Feel it was a missed opportunity to try Havertz at CF again. The 8 isn’t working. Jesus is injured. So benching Eddie for him would’ve been a good test of his abilities there and then Eddie would be rested for Newcastle. Have to agree the risk on Havertz wasn’t worth it. Would’ve rather Douglas Luiz (depth in 8/6) or Kudus who can play across the front 3.
I think he would be a great link-up player with a top class No 9. I am sure he would be an important cog in the wheel going forward ....we would get the pieces necessary to make him tick coz his ceiling is very high.
Just talking about the midfield options. What about Mohammed Elneny He’s a very solid option defensive Midfielder he done it before
Thought havertz was one of our better players against westham tbh but i would prefer to see him in the CF role or the right 8 rather then the left 8 I feel it would make our playing out from the back better would also allow us to replicate Raya to Toney that was so effective with having havertz up there (not that that should be our only option but it’s a good option)
This is a pre-recorded response to your pre-recorded video this morning! Good morning Tom and Andrew!!!
Haha thanks mate
I'm very impressed of Arteta and his young Arsenal team, and I'm not at all on your level in football knowledge, but I'm interested and think that it's possible that Havertz have been a part of Artetas, in my opinion a little too hasty decision to make the team more unpredictable. There Arteta among others maybe had thoughts of Havertz in Ødegaards role, with the captain in a more offensive role longer foreward like he should try in the games he struggled with a hip injury. But Ødegaards great strength is playing in a little deaper midfield position where he has the field in front of him with the creative ability to make key passes that in cooperation with his great team-mates can decide close matches. Overall I think maybe the changes to make the team more unpredictable instead can make the players unsure, and that this young players should be allowed to play on their strength from last season to increase confidence and mental strenght that was under pressure at the end of last season. I wish Havertz all the best, he has showed some progress but need some more time. In my opinion it's important that Arteta doesn't change too much in this young team that played so fantastic last season. Of course Arteta has probebly control over all these things we are so interersted in, and that he also will prioritize how his young team shall gain the highly needed strength when things are boiling in the last tight games of the season. I wish all of you great luck with the Newcastle match, fingers cross.
The loss was less about rotation and more about balance and cohesion. That midfield of Jorginho, Havertz and Vieira was akin to a chocolate teapot: not fit for the incoming duels they would face, or the added transitions once West Ham scored. Everyone with eyes, including Tom with his preview team, knew that Elneny was needed alongside Jorginho if Rice was to be rested.
I am also done with Zinchenko. His failure to track Bowen in the play that led to the corner for the first goal, but is also identical to his role in Havertz’s CL final goal. In a defence of giants he is an obvious weakness that is targeted. He is only in right now because of Timber’s injury.
Good morning guys 😊
out of the team that started Havertz started the brightest. How ever he dint stand out at all. And I can't think of a game we're his come close to deserving a place in the team. I even question if his good enough to be in the squad. At this stage I'd rather see a youth player on the bench. Or play Zinny as the number 8 and Tommy left back.
Good morning to everyone
Will defend arsenal a bit here with this performance and the rotation, I think it was just one of those games where we weren't quite on it and everything that could go wrong did, first goal was an OG and a foul on ramsdale anyway, weren't west ham 1-0 up at half time and hadn't had a shot? The 2nd goal wasn't a bad goal but the first touch from kudus if you look wasn't what he was intending and the ball then goes straight through Gabriels legs, 9 out of 10 times that miss control doesn't fall perfectly and the shot is blocked, the 3rd is obviously a deflection and if it's not deflected it's going straight down the middle and ramsdale just catches it, we had nearly 80% possession, better XG, better field tilt etc so I don't think it was a horrible performance considering we mad so many changes and west ham played at near full strength. We didn't play any of our 1st choice midfield or attack, I think we have been a bit unfortunate with the teams we have had to play as well, 2 strong EPL teams.
Good morning gooners
Let’s not forget how well Jorginho played at St James Park last season
Ben White own goal: apparently defending the near post has gone out of fashion, even though there is no upside to abandon it. If you have a defender at the post, there’s no way a corner kick is directed to the near post unless you have a runner that has to get there before the man at the post. This goal wouldn’t have happened with good old fashioned defending nous.
I’m concerned about Havertz, but I won’t give up on him just yet.
Jorginho, Zinchenko, and Vieira are rather questionable too, based on that last game.
This is a game for the Egyptian Pirlo
Yeah I thought it was weird, that the players didn’t get up for the west game game. Considering that’s the game lots of them will be playing in. That’s what annoyed me the most, about the west game game. Havertz smith rowe, Nelson. They need to raise their level, or they can all go.
Yeah. I would love Saka in L8 just once. Only if briefly.
Harvetz will be fine hes.getting into good positions its just not falling for him.
Elneny as he’s more mobile than Jorginho
Morning All
Good morning
when we rotated against brentford it was brilliant, when we lost against west ham its a disaster, to me it still shows we have work to do to build a squad capable of competeing in all compeition's. for the process to be successful we need silverwear , otherwise whats the point ?
Pep said it about Rico Lewis that the players trust him thats why he's playing and kinda taking a dig at Phillips and u think kai is a problem too because the players dont trust him with the ball and i can see it they give him safe passes or they play around him and thats the biggest problem
Yes I have noticed this, they don't trust him.
Arthur Vermeeren looks like an Arsenal player ...hope we can secure his signing before Chelsea swoop in.
Play odegaard in the 8 kai/tross in the 10
I'd be curious to see that being tried, yeah. 👍
The question is what do you guys want from Kai ,are we looking at Kai as the same way we viewed granit role last year ?? If we are then ask are we playing the same way which I don't think we are. Now i would suggest looking at the tifo football video it seems that arsenal is trying to be harder to beat this is probably where Kai comes in better off the ball but we lose ball progression that's where our issue even the directness we lost combination of no partey and xhaka
Tom, good morning everyone, haverts is the best thing to happen in the Newcastle game just watch him destroy that defence
lol i remeber this guy hyping up the kai signing when it happened and biging him up on the highbury squad and now he is frustrated?
Other then Trossard there ain't a great deal to bring on up front. Jesus, saka, martenelli. Are far better then anyone coming on to replace them. With exception of Trossard. Still need a good window of getting players out and better players in the squad.
Tom, you talk so much about how long it took Ødegaard to show his best form at arsenal. I wonder if your opinion has been shaped by the dark cloud that surrounded his sign. And i think you question arteta's ability to transform a player. If you trust arteta like i do, you'd be very hopeful that havertz will come good like Ødegaard did.
Tbf we saw more from Odegaard. But I am patient I just think it’s fair to say when you have concerns
Q: Huge game. We have to get a result and back to winning ways. Would a draw be a bad result in your opinions?
I would definitely take a draw away at Newcastle
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We've invested in depth, numerically fine, quality is still an issue. I simply don't believe Havertz was part of "the plan" because we needed a centre midfielder and he simply is not that. The only games where he has been half decent have been when he's been used as a quasi target man.
Declan Rice should be made CAPTAIN with immediate effect!!!
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Havertz is significantly better than Viera. Everyone was willing to give Viera a year. Let's sit the same for havertz. I'd sell veira tomorrow before havertz
Viera was a complete unknown, new to the league. While Havertz already had EPL experience and was twice the price of Viera. Such factors would naturally influence peoples' expectations.
What i can't understand is all the hate people give havertz and complain how much he cost etc yet many the same people love Arteta and think he's the best thing since sliced bread when he made the massive mistake of buying him
Kai Havertz demeanour reminds me of someone who is stuck in a career they don't necessarily want to be in anymore. This may be the extreme, but he doesn't seem to be enjoying his football. Has he fallen out of love during his Chelsea days?
Then signs for Arsenal and from day one nobody (fans and pundits alike) gave him a chance. It's like being in a new relationship after a disastrous one and the new one just feels like the one you just left. People tearing you down saying you ain't shit. It's going to be hard to get out of that funk man.
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Don't single out Kai Havertz in the game vs West Ham. The whole team was bad on the night.
So glad you commented before watching. You’ll know we discussed plenty of players
@@TheGoonerTalkTV I listen to your podcast single everyday. Most of what you guys talk about I agree with. My comment is for the others who are using it as another opportunity to tear Havertz down.
I think you can understand why I’d assume you’re telling me the above comment though
@@TheGoonerTalkTV yes I get it.
Newcastle just try bullying teams got a couple of fouling bastards eg linton shar and to beat them you need to get stuck in and do the same to them
WTF is a “double-edged coin”? 🤣
They’re melted down to make swords of the same type
I'm beyond tires of the Havertz discussion. Move on, please. There is nothing left to analyze about the guy and his performances.
It’s not as easy as that
I would agree with you I can't see anything that Havertz does admit it Arteta you made a big expensive mistake
Too much short terminism in thinking when it comes to Havertz. Arteta is thinking more long term and I trust him to figure it out. Look at Grant Xhaka and how long he took to come good.
Kai has been poor for Chelsea for years and the transfer was 65 mil, it is such a risk to take and the belief that he will become a great player for us because of what happened to Xhaka is wishful thinking. That could happen but if it doesn't, it begs the question as to why Arteta took such a risk for so much money and a guy who has failed to impress for years at Chelsaa
Good morning