Tam-Tara (Hard) with no wipes! A GREAT day in Mentor Roulette!
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- čas přidán 2. 07. 2024
- Ever landed in Tam-tara Deepcroft (Hard) with a group where everyone knew what to do? Well there always has to be a first! As a healer, I work my way through 10 Mentor Roulettes, with a surprising amount of coordination this time around!
Videos mentioned:
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The hard time in Tam-Tara: • Tam-Tara Deepcroft Har...
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:50 Duty 1: The Praetorium
01:21 Duty 2: Sunken Temple of Qarn (Hard)
03:22 Duty 3: Aetherochemical Research Facility
06:09 Duty 4: Amdapor Keep (Hard)
07:54 Duty 5: Guildhest Stinging Back
08:18 Duty 6: Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak
09:03 Duty 7: Tam-Tara Deepcroft (Hard)
10:25 Duty 8: The Lunar Subterrane
11:10 Duty 9: The Praetorium (AGAIN)
12:31 Duty 10: The Wreath of Snakes
13:39 Outro
14:19 Fun Fact - Hry
The bard yeeting himself out of that stack marker right as it went off is one of the funniest things I've seen in this game.
The dragoon also just going "ouch" also added to it in the moment! 😂
Sokk is the returning character we all root for and didn't know we needed.
Hopefully one day he will grow big and strong! 😁
The Pokemon talk while being in Praetorium made me laugh. xD This is what Praetorium does to players. xD
I'm glad to hear that! 🤣
"I sort of gave up the possibility of saving them in favor of preserving some resources"
Imagine being that RDM...your doctor says "I'd keep you alive, buuuut it's a waste of my resources so just DIE."
"it's cheaper to raise you from the dead once the virus has taken its course. Trust me" 😂
@@CaetsuChaijiCh Now that's a sci-fi dystopia if I've ever heard of one.
I've died to those spinnies SO MANY TIMES, literally for no other reason than I simply didn't notice one spawned on top me.
Yeah I only really noticed because I looked for what on earth was hurting the group so much! 😅
On the Healer thing you said at the end, I've been watching Cider Spider's mentor roulette vids as well lately and while he never says when in the day he's been doing them, he has been sticking with Scholar for them, and so far he's had mostly dungeons for his runs, with nary an EX Trial to be actually seen yet. Not sure if it is just luck or what, but it is what it is right now, and just more oddities on top of things.
It is difficult to figure out. I am trying different things to see if I can find a pattern, but each time is different.
I also vary what I play to give variety both in what you see, but also what I see! 😁
My theory on why healers get more dungeons during mentor to roulette is that there are less low level healers than the other classes. Unless people are going through their roulettes or are specifically queueing for content you only have Whm as a healer for level 15-30 content. Once you get to 30 you also have Sch, and while you technically have Ast as well you don't get access to it until after level 50, so it harder to find healers for low level content. Out of 62 dungeon runs I got as healer recently, 31 of them were in ARR.
There is also the fact until level 70 you only have 3 healers while tanks get their 4th at 60 and so you probably have a surplus of tanks doing dungeons
Also another reason right now is people are probably rushing to level other jobs for Dawntrail. And so same as before, healers are in short supply.
@@ZanrosHoreak Imo, it could be the fact that there are way more dungeons than anything else in the game and Healers are needed in every que. So instead of looking for a Trial/Raid that needs 2 Healers at the same time, the Game will just put you in a Dungeon run to get it going.
I love ARF. Watching sprouts get blown up by Dualstar never gets old.
The wreathe of snakes not having a blue circle knockback is weird because the 4.0 final boss ex does with snakes being 4.5. I guess they were still deciding how best to indicate those knockbacks at that point.
It's even weirder when it also turns out sephirot from heavensward has it! 😅
@@CaetsuChaijiCh The Game doesnt indicate many things consistently, which is annoying if you havent played that one particular dungeon in ages (ShB and EW are pretty consistent in their way)
I just hope they will overhaul the Novice hall to show People what a Stackmarker/Tankbuster/Cleavemarker looks like, because ive seen so much.. just say "idiot moves" lately.
Dragoon would have High Jump Kick and would always miss.
High jump kick, but also the hustle ability to further reduce hit chance! 😂
Also Black Mage should have something like Darmanitan's Zen Mode, Fire/Electric normally but then when conditions are right, Ice/Electric
@HakureiIllusion that is an interesting idea! I was thinking of maybe having ice magic as a way to set up, but it felt a bit too involved for such an offhanded idea! 😅
Avatar!! I love that fight in coils. Especially doing it MINE. I'm always the one chosen to help resolve ballistic missile.
The first time I did Qarn hard, I did it unsynced, and I just ran past the mooks with the last gem (which is immediately before a zone transition) I spent like 10 minutes trying to find it with guides being of no use before I eventually went back to kill them and get it.
The arf orbs are soo fast compared to everything up till that period. I love them personally, but taking actual newbies through is awful.
For the level 90 dancer, I imagine they've got gear from elsewhere and perhaps levelled through frontline or just haven't played for a while. All my job gear is at 650+ but I would probably do quite badly if I picked ninja or bard back up!
That is a pretty funny situation to end up in! 😅
And yeah I do agree on the arf thing, it is weirdly fast compared to other duties before it!
And you are right, this could realistically be the dancers first go at the job i suppose! It is still a bit weird! 😊
Haha lv50 sch aoe the boss while punching it hard with your book autos. Haven't touch the job since 90 but you remind me of the old leveling days. I really enjoy watching your mentor vids while waiting for Dawntrial media info in 1hour or so.
4:01 oh no, I never knew that was a stack marker lol. Most menacing stack marker I’ve ever seen lol.
Also I do love the idea of jobs as pokemon. I’ll have to think about that next time i do praetorium
It is certainly not a very obvious stack marker! 😅
Yeah. Community usually calls these enums (enumerations) since it needs a specific amount of people to solve, not too many
4:00 I LITERALLY JUST FOUND THIS OUT THE HARD WAY TODAY LMAO
When I first did ARF, I had some problems with the (somewhat) demanding timing on Dualstar, so that is what I usually expect first timers to struggle with… but the last couple times I have been in there, it’s been the damned CHAINS that they can’t seem to get. It seems like the last mechanic before the chains lock in is a regular pink spread marker, and nearly universally I am seeing people running wayyy too far (Narnia) and then not having any room left to run further apart and break them.
Yeah the classic disaster of chains is both people being too far due to other mechanics, or even starting running too soon and then being unable to break them! It is a bit surprising it would be the problem mechanic, but I can definitely believe it! 😅
Always fun to see random ARR dungeons i didn't even know existed
Yeah that's always fun! 😂
4:16 I recently-ish learned about this mechanic but never noticed the two orbs so I knew to stack on the affected player, getting damaged anyway if there were more than two people on it was a surprise 😢
I've noticed dancer players tend to be very lazy. It's part of why I hate 8man content queues as one.
Far too often they either don't tech step at all, let it drift a ton, or wait until I decide to do it when I've been trying to layer them.
I've seen this sometimes too, where I'm actively trying to work with them only for it to fall apart 😅
7:49 I think the DPS players just didn’t notice the spinning scythes cause tbh the first few times I did this one the same happened to me, I’d be too focused on what I’m doing and suddenly find myself melting for no reason haha
the fireball and ice ball can be a nightmare with my ping haha, I try to avoid that duty or warn people about my ping if I end up in it
lol That Lunar Subterrrane run reminded me of a Byakko fight I had the other day.. but in reverse. I was playing Dancer myself and with about 25% of Byakko's HP left the main tank died and, for some reason, I was second on aggro. In an 8 person team with 3 other DPS and a second tank who was still alive. Huh. For some reason the healers didn't or couldn't get the main tank back up and the second tank never ended up putting their tank stance on to take over so I literally ended up tanking Byakko's last 25% HP as Dancer. Kudos to the healers and having my self heals/defensives still available I guess. Had no idea DNC was a tank in FF14. lol
That is a quite strange scenario! 😅
First instance of the blue knockback circle that I can think of is (say his name) Sephirot. It is strange that Snak-boi doesn't use it, but people really shouldn't be standing in the big telegraphed AoE.
Oh yeah that is true. Indeed, still weird!
For that Guilhest: I think the idea is actually that you need to NOT look at the mobs names but instead of what they actually do. There are a few mobs with the same name that actually are different "classes". Some of the chanters you kill are essentially bait gladiators and not conjurers. Notice how the duty description on the right say "prevent the *conjurers* from healing" not the *chanters*.
That is an interesting idea, but if you wait for them to cast before you stop them, then they will get a cast off. So it feels a bit problematic to approach it like that!
Still, that is an interesting gimmick I didn't notice 😁
Love your videos. I crack up everytime you say Narnia 😂
Thank you! 😁 I'm glad to hear that! 🤣
I did Amdapoor Keep (Hard) recently, that last boss screwed me over. He dropped a mob on me that held me in place and I couldn't attack (party members need to kill it to free me) and right on top of that he spawned a scythe. I died very quickly.
Bruh, the stun lock combo 😂 the boss had been practicing!
2:03 funny ... im no mentor but did the same yesterday .. funny enough in my case it was like another player took over after his death maybe he just woke up cause of his death i dont know ..xD some players just give you the feeling they want to die and you as healer are just stoping them from it
Been getting ARF a lot recently I think due to moogle tomes... yet I never understood the stack marker. It just seemed to me like an attack that does a lot of damage for some reason but no one dies to it so I thought it was just like that lol.
Had lunar subterranean as my mains mentor, went in as astro and had a lalafel drk tank.
They did wall to wall, no defensive cooldowns, no blackest night, and their health got extremely low, and refused to use their invuln
At the second boss they complained about my dpsing being low
I couldnt dps at all, i even told him that if i dpsd once when he didnt use a cd, he will die
He used a cooldown, on the last 5% of the last boss, the first cooldown
This is the kind of players that worry me the most... They know what you're supposed to do, but don't even consider what they are supposed to do to make that happen 😔
@@CaetsuChaijiCh on my server, there's a thing going around of falafels are also known as God mode in tank
There's a lalafel fc, where if you use a fantasia to change races, your kicked from the fc
People are weird
Not surprised, those little spuds hold nothing but evil behind their wide eyes and cheeky smirks.
4:00 omg no wonder... I remember one run where a dps got this but i did NOT know you had to pair/stack so they almost died X_X
It's strange because ive run this quite a few times alrdy but it was my first time seeing that marker and i just thought i had to dodge them...
The weirdest thing is that if anyone else tries to pair with the person, then the right move for you is to run away!
If you can't get it exactly right, then letting one person get stomped is safer than letting everyone get stomped! 😅
Why does warrior and high horsepower feel the same in my head
Tbh there are lots of ground based attacks and wrathgrinder fits that vibe too
2:05 sometimes you can pick the people who have gotten as far as they have because they've been carried, and you gotta give them a taste of how ACTUALLY playing the game is.
5:02 I always reflexively cringe when I get new ARF in level cap roulette because the new mechanics trip up new and old players equally. It's less bad when you're the healer and can carry, but it's still rough.
12:15 I think you're gonna need to do a whole "What if the FF14 jobs were pokemon" video lmfao
13:35 it IS a little bit painful when the team actively encourages people to do side content they have neglected to update and people are confused by the janky lack of consistency with the MSQ updates. The more they leave side content unattended, the worse this is gonna get.
It's fine doing it with a party of people who are enthusiastic to do the side content, but people who just want to farm it without putting any thought into it... it's pain.
It is quite strange how, over the years the game has gotten more consistent with indicators, which makes older content harder simply because it doesn't hold up to the same standard 😅
Wouldn't black mage be ice/fire type?
I don't play black mage but I know they use fire and then ice to like gain mp back
Maybe fire/electric just because the electric aspect of black mage is stronger than the ice
I actually thought the same initially, but specifically changed my mind to fire electric specifically because the same type attack bonus (STAB) would ensure the weaker ice magic would actually BE weaker ice magic! 😁
@@CaetsuChaijiCh Oh I see the vision now
That makes a lot more sense
What? I can keep Gaius in the middle during ductus attack? My main and only job is WAR and never knew about that.
As long as the boss is targetable! 😁😄
Watching this series I fully expected to be annoyed with you after the first video, which I felt overstated how often "difficult" content comes up in DF. To my surprise though I think you offer a pretty balanced look at the true state of mentor roulette. As a side note, I think the reason you encounter so little toxicity in your videos is because you're not a horrible, antisocial person. Most players who try to give advice to new or bad players just aren't good at talking to people, lots of "I mean, I'm not TRYING to be a dick, buuut". You're just nice to people. A ten minute browse through talesfromDF and the prevailing opinions that get shared there will tell you that most of those people have horrible social skills, and that it's no wonder they get drama-filled duties so often.
I am glad you feel this way! I did not mean to overstate these things, but mainly commented on the subject from the perspective that a lot of players gave the impression it was super common!
You are probably right that I dodge a lot of the toxicity! And yes, talesfromDF often seems so absurd that the stories almost sound made up a lot of the time! ^^'
Thank you again for the kind words!
I healed for the first time in ARF, as white Mage. A DPS died on Dualstar. I raised him. But then he got killed again by Universal Manipulation. My question is, would that be one of the best way to use Benediction? And should I save Benediction for such moments?
Possibly! Healing up someone that just got raised, quickly, is often a good idea. Especially because a lot of players don't know that they are invulnerable for five seconds after being raised, so long as they don't do anything beyond moving 😅
I know Sephirot has those "Blue Knock Back" circles, does that mean that fight was reworked at some point?
I don't believe so! I just forgot that one existed so long before! Indeed, that just makes seiryu not having the correct marker weirder!
@CaetsuChaijiCh Maybe it was added for his "Unreal" fight? Either way, it's quite bizarre. Thank you for your time.
Spoiler warning for Endwalker at 10:25
Thanks
The more of these videos I watch the more exasperated you seem to get
In a way perhaps! The same mistakes get weirdly more grating the more times you see them in a short time frame I guess? 😂
am a new-ish player, healer main, and just had a question re: art of war. is it really more effective for single targets than just casting ruin at lower levels?
Yes, the potencies are the same between ruin 1 and art of war, and scholars auto attacks are weirdly strong for a healer in the level range too, so making more space for that helps even more.
This stops working once broil is learned 😊
>takes away 'get in thing in time before bomb goes off' mechanic due to jank.
>bring it back for an EW dungeon.
Yea, that makes sense.
I know right? 😂
What mechanic do you mean?
Oh, it was mentioned in the afterword.
Isn't there one of those mechanics in, like, Sastasha hard? lol
@intensellylit4100 ARF used to have a mechanic where ascian prime would start casting universal manipulation, and you had these void zones you could step into. Thing is, you had to step into them, a few seconds would pass, then the game would have you get sucked in. When the spell resolved, if you were not yet inside, you would get every debuff under the sun, and possibly just die. If you were inside in time, it would simply pull you back into the fight.
This mechanic was removed with the rework of the fight. Which I believe happened during endwalker.
Meanwhile. Vanaspati, the level 85 dungeon, has a boss, the second one, with water bubbles you need to enter in the exact same way to avoid an otherwise unavoidable aoe.
I suppose ascian prime lost the mechanic for other reasons, but it is weird the mechanic is so janky in vanaspati! 😅
@intensellylit4100 i think theres one in hull breaker isle hard? 😅🤔
May I ask why do you use Art of War on single target?
At level 46-53 ruin 1 has the same potency as art of war. And art of war having no cast time means you get more auto attack dps spamming art of war over using ruin 1. 😊
I got to pop a nidhogg extreme at some point
Good luck! I at least know the newer extremes are, the more likely people are to just nope out 😅 but it's worth a shot I suppose?
@@CaetsuChaijiCh it is going to be funny to see somebody just take the 30m penalty. I got void ark last night. Someone immediately quit, lol. Probably wanting crystal tower and don't know the alliance raid roulette can still be cheesed.
ok am i missing some inside joke or what is it with you using art of war on single target
At level 50, ruin 1 is 150 potency.
Art of war is also 150 potency at level 50.
Casting spells delay your auto attack, which means art of war and auto attacking is more dps than ruin 1 and auto attacking. While it costs more mp, that is completely irrelevant 😊
@@CaetsuChaijiCh oh damn, never noticed that. is this a recent change or did i just go all my scholar maining arr life without noticing that?
@ellasbian has been true for at least ALL of endwalker! 😁
Don't worry though, this is only relevant in the level range of 46 to 53, as when broil is learned at 54, single targeting on single target is optimal once again! 😉
@@CaetsuChaijiCh i just looked it up and ruin 1 used to be 160 potency in shadowbringers. so i’m not a bad gamer, i’m just old.
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Bro, the amount of time those stupid bubbles or whatever takes to register you as inside them, in any dungeon is AWFUL. I JUST had this happen to me in vanaspati yesterday. It's awful.
~ARF~?
Arf
Bork! 😁
Arf?
Arf! 🦮
@@CaetsuChaijiCh Arf arf!
I noticed in several clips you were using your aoes on bosses instead of single-targetting. Are you alright? Is mentor roulette melting your brain? If so might be time for a bit of a break.
At level 50, ruin 1 is 150 potency.
Art of war is also 150 potency at level 50.
Casting spells delay your auto attack, which means art of war and auto attacking is more dps than ruin 1 and auto attacking. While it costs more mp, that is completely irrelevant 😊
You may also enjoy my level 30-50 Scholar guide which has "art of war is a gain on 1!" portrayed in the thumbnail! 😁😉
@@CaetsuChaijiCh "Strike ground with palm for easy damage." -Sun Tzu, Art of War
@@CaetsuChaijiCh Do you happen to have the dps logs in which it was recorded? You got me wondering and was wanting to compare notes.
@laceyclark311 no I don't have a dps meter. But you wouldn't need it to know, because the numbers check out. Go into any content that syncs you to level 50 and you can see the potencies of the attacks, and they mean exactly what they say 😉
Edit: or were you perhaps just curious how much more damage we are talking? 😊
@@CaetsuChaijiCh I was actually curious as to how much more actual damage it was. It just seems very much like an incredibly negligible damage boost. I've been told that it's better to single-target on bosses/2 mobs remaining, and SE seems to agree on that route based on potency increases over the expansions on certain skills; though they have been known to mislabel some potencies before.
Then again my journey through FF14 I've gotten some extremely questionable/outdated advice from mentors, and some of it is straight up wrong. It's partially why I have my doubts about a gain on 1.
Certain subreddits made posts about certain people aoe'ing on bosses in some roulettes, however it's been about whm ast and sage aoe'ing and being incorrect about it being stronger on single-target in level 50 duties.
It's kind of why I wanted to look at the hard numbers to try to replicate it without forcing randoms into a duty. Trusts/npcs do not effectively replicate player tactics/dps as well as I would have hoped it would.