Less Cure, More Holy! A WEIRD day in Mentor Roulette!
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- čas přidán 29. 06. 2024
- Ten Mentor Roulettes as Warrior, with some healers that really REALLY came here to be healers! Hopefully it doesn't make the runs take too long!
Videos mentioned in this one:
Solo Shisui of the Violet Tides: czcams.com/users/liveDmYNAn428j8
Solo Alzadaal's Legacy: czcams.com/users/livehA0iT4ZPwx0
Mistakes Healers Make: • [FFXIV] Five Mistakes ...
ULTRA SLOW MAGE in Terrible Rotations: • From Completely Off Tr...
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:38 Duty 1: Shisui of the Violet Tides
01:08 Duty 2: Alzadaal's Legacy
02:53 Duty 3: Shisui of the Violet Tides (Again)
03:36 Duty 4: Castrum Meridianum
06:13 Duty 5: Malikah's Well
07:29 Duty 6: Aetherochemical Research Facility (ARF)
08:14 Duty 7: Guildhest Pulling Poison Posies
08:35 Duty 8: Porta Decumana
09:05 Duty 9: The Aitiascope
10:28 Duty 10: Vanaspati
11:23 Outro
12:01 Fun Fact - Hry
my fave thing about playing tank as a healer main is being able to see EXACTLY what your healers are doing wrong and it will NOT stop bothering me
Yep, I have the same experience 😂
And for some reason I have reached a point where I have the same problem when playing healer, seeing the tank mistakes 😅
This has been a huge annoyance for me as well! It seems much more common on white mages, which is what I play most, making it especially annoying
@@FubukiShiromiya "hey you should be using regens more, cure 2 wont cut it at this level"
"i am using regens!"
they were not using regens
@@emilymcpherson6564 i feel white mages are scared of using their OGCD while im doing big pulls
Please, for the love of the twelve, *use sacred soil I beg of you*
Every time I get a scholar that refuses to use the good bubble I can *absolutely* feel it and it makes me angry every time.
The worst is checking someone who seems new and then seeing they have every job to 90
that depends some people level all jobs but may not be great at a couple of them, I have muscle memory for BLM but have to do a little more concetrtaton on BRD so can make mistakes looking at bars rather than boss
look. i have a friend just finished 5.0 after 4 years.
all lv90, all in frontline.
Frontline leveling babyyy
my completionist ass must have everything maxed but I haven't actually played most of them...
That Rescue in Shisui-kyu was such a chad move
Always amazing to see healers use their rescue well! 😁
I’m going to have to remember that trick, considering they can’t move themselves but can BE moved. That healer seemed particularly good.
I’ve done that Rescue from the Seduce mechanic a few times while leveling my healers. Heck I’ve done it in the “Dead Ends” when someone didn’t know about the stack up to avoid hysteria. Always fun to get that last second yoink to save someone 😂
thats one of those really fun rescues to do. You see it happening, you KNOW you can save them and you do. it literally forces them to recognize that you were skilled enough to absolutely prevent them from taking damage/death even when they could not do anything.
I just did that Dead Ends rescue for the first time yesterday. It felt beautiful.
I discovered your channel recently and have been loving your content! I'm relatively new to the game so the occasional healer tips are really nice :]
HUGE thanks for the spoiler warnings by the way
Welcome to the game! Thank you so much! 😄
One thing I have run into a lot especially with lower level healers, if they are free trial half the time they dont even have party chat open. A lot of time they are stuck on /say chat still and dont even see you talking to them.
Another thing that I think is super important, is that MOST healers just leveling or just healing every now and then DO NOT know the different tanks. They dont know about DRK being squishy AFTER they run out of their main cooldowns and before TBN is back, they dont know about PLD self heal, they dont know about GNB absolutely wrecking your healing cooldowns with superbolide and they especially, always, do not know that warrior does not need a healer for 95% of the dungeons in the game after lvl 56. They treat every tank the same, which is fair in terms of not trusting randos to not die, but as a warrior main its incredibly sad that I cant use my cooldowns because of lack of healer knowledge.
Any newbie healers reading this, learn your tanks! Some need more healing, some need less, and some just need you to occassionally look at their HP and wonder if they are gonna use invuln or--oh wait, no, they are back to full health again.
ARF!
ARF! 😄
To elaborate on the question of Sprint, one other thing to look out for in these situations are any points in the dungeon where the healer can lose Line of Sight on you. If your Sprint leaves them behind but they can still quickly get to healing range, it won't matter, but if they have to run around a corner, things might get spicy. Maybe stop your sprint before you turn that corner, or pull whatever is behind it and walk back until you're visible again.
As a tank main, I've noticed a significant uptick in cure 1 (or equivalent) usage lately. Must be a ton of people coming back for DT who don't really know the game
Ended up running Paglthan and Heroes Gauntlet a whole bunch this weekend as Red Mage and Dancer trying to get a few specific pieces of gear to drop (glam requires sacrifices) and it was a real rollercoaster. Multiple times I was getting tanks that consistently seemed to be using their single target attacks on everything so I was routinely pulling aggro off of them. The even stranger part to me was that they clearly knew their AOEs existed because you'd see the aggro colours ping pong between them having full aggro and me almost pulling, almost as if they were single targetting most of the time and then using an AOE hit or two to pull aggro back to them before they lost it. The only thing I can chalk it up to in these level 80 capstone dungeons is with Dawntrail coming soon and the boost sale still on they may have just boosted their way there and didn't really know how tanking works in FF14.
Oh, and that "Stack with your rocks" mechanic on the Heroes Gauntlet final boss is a nightmare for so many people. So many times I'd see someone leave their rock pile to go and stack with someone else at their rock pile instead. The turn and face line AOE he has also consistently sniped people. Just as in this video, you really need to look at both cast bars and the boss themself.
Oh yeah that sale probably is a huge factor in all the weird things I'm seeing recently too! 😅
If you’re in Shisui as a healer it’s good to watch when seduce is being cast and going for a box early to where the transformation ends before the aoe goes off. Then you can rescue if needed and also avoid people taking your box.
When I saw the thumbnail I really thought you had landed with a free cure trapped white mage (as memtioned in discord) thankfully I was wrong, though the castrum cure 1 using white mage was a bit of an eh moment as imo its easier just to throw a renew/medica 2 for topping up the person/group depending on the damage received especially at level 50.
Also props on that healer rescue in shisui (I always forget to use the thing)
Cure 1 spam is so common in roulettes it hurts my soul
I have been watching your videos for help on FF14 and others, we talked before here on the comments. Got really good at Blk mage, at least I think I did, and started playing other classes.
In the defense of Healer (using scholar), I play on ps5 and I find it very difficult trying to heal and do dmg while pulling. If am facing one boss its easier to switch but still not completly use to it. While pulling is just insane, specially when its a big pull. I know this is a controller issue and experience, but once I conf my setting for target the nearest enemy for dmg that help a lot, am looking it to way of doing the same for healer.
Now, after playing for a bit as a healer I cam say that the strike makes sense, the dps cycle fpr healer is very boring, as well as heals, maybe because am coming of as a blk mage main and using a bit of red mage. But damn is boring, the only complex healer is astro that can buff the team ( very cool for healers), and I heard they are making it more simple. We need a bit of complexity so that we can be creative and perform better.
I come from playing Destiny 2, and yes there is a very toxic community there. But when I look at what subclasses can do there and the complexity and builds and etc. Its amazing, so much creativy of expressions. Yes there is overpower builds, but you can play like you want for, anyway as I see from destiny, for healers they can do more then just heal, they could create buff players, not just 6% but more, they could buff defense or make the enemy do less dmg or slow, or even stun. Create make allies unmovable so that can be immune for a dmg, have more things instead of just heal on or party
I wish there were more helpful people in duty finder like you. I came from WoW in 2021 and was afraid to play any sort of healer because of how you got treated if you were bad. In FFXIV, I want to get that confidence to heal more but I'm still so scared that I'm going to mess up by hitting the wrong button or using the wrong mit that I usually level all my healers in duty support.
Hi, I'm a healer main who recently decided to give tanking a go. Hopping into roulettes and the like while leveling I think is better while learning, because you get your mistakes out when your toolkit is smaller. Much easier to learn when to heal and when to DPS when you've just got cure 1 and stone as opposed to a full toolkit.
(I tried to learn to tank with GNB and it was hard so I went back to Warrior and I am enjoying it a lot more with a smaller toolkit and think I will be a much better GNB for it)
That's a very good tip about getting the mistakes dealt with early on. If you don't see other players, they don't get to help you learn either, so it is a bit of a difficult situation there 😅
The best advice I can give is that the worst that can happen, the absolute worst, is that you get kicked. And even that is unlikely.
I have a video on the subject of healer anxiety that you might also find helpful
czcams.com/video/5pcuIrzrzSI/video.htmlsi=jy5X_yaZcDoPEPZl
Me playing tank and dying due to pulling too much or not using my mit THIS IS FINE I always make sure to hit my healers in the commend fields lol
I feel the level 80 boosts are the cause of the high level character with low level class knowledge and game sense. (No ice Black Mage or heal only healers)
Also the fact that they are on a 50% off sale right now.
That honestly makes a lot of sense.
I wish I would see myself in a mentor roulette video sometime, I wonder how hard I would get roasted ^^
Hopefully not much! But you'd certainly know what you could improve on I suppose! 😁
Something I have noticed is due to the Xp buff and the reworking of past expansions I have leveled beyond my duty quests. I have a lvl 60 Whm main that does not yet have all the job abilities. Just made it to HW working on getting them. I am a PLD alt as well.
My friend tried that healer rescue with me in Shisui once and got me killed. I was genuinely crying laughing instead of hitting the accept rez button
Talking about sprint was nice to hear. It’s been a smaller question I’ve had.
Like, know everyone wants to get through the dungeon as quickly as possible. But, having the tank speed ahead/around a corner/wall, so the healer looses line of sight/is past max range. Never did seem worth it to me.
Know on my end, I’ll basically do bad movements/small circles or whatever else allows everyone else to stay close enough whenever possible. Not sure how large of a difference in makes in the grand scheme of everything, but always felt better to see at the end of the wall the group of enemies already down a large portion of health and my own health bar at 75% or more.
well, i just pull the first group and wait half a sec to hit all of them with AoE and then im going off to the 2nd group. I have my mits, so im not relying on the healer entirely. It should be fine and if nothing else works, Invul saves the day in these situations.
Yeah it is a difficult subject because while sprinting ahead blindly can cause a disaster, at least knowing that sprinting can serve as a "defensive tool" helps a lot! 😊
Your way of addressing issues you see with asking if you can give a tip seems effective, and something I will try - but do you have tips for people who immediately become defensive or passive aggressive? As a WAR, I'm sure it's a shrug, but when playing a tank that needs a little more attention at low levels, it can make the experience harrowing.
I'm sure it's just because of the uptick in people prepping for DT, who aren't chronically online like me, but I also have been having a rough time in roulettes with Healers especially. Including a "SGE Main" (self proclaimed when asked) who only used Diagnosis for pulls lol. Having a better way to deal with these things that isn't one mob at a time would be preferred.
I noticed most of the mistakes people made in this video were casters. I think its because there's more room for error with the freedom with what you can cast at any given moment.
It’s also obvious when a caster makes mistakes but not as clear when physical dps are.
6:10 in that situation i have to be honest ... if you arent sure if you have to heal ... maybe try to not heal sometimes in that situation ... to be honest even if the tank dies you could simply say "sorry miscalculated that :(" or something .. and i would even bet on it that 95% of all tanks will not be angry at all ... of course IF that just happens once or maybe twice in one dungeon ... and of course its a "better excuse" the lower level you are .. but in fact you could even have nearly every job at 90 and just came back to the game 2 weeks ago ... most people will support you with tips if you tell them ..
but at the same time i understand ... healing in FF14 is a weird topic compared to other games .. its often "attack if no heal is needed" but in FF14 its more like "attack till healing is REALLY needed" and especially if you dont play heal that much it can be hard to know the "edge" how much you have to heal or how less you could heal before the tank dies
and no you dont want me as healer im a whm main and especially if i know the content the chance to get heal from me if you as a tank are over 30% hp is ... pretty low ;D
10:20 but thats not fair .. you are warrior xD but that is one reason why i most of the time just use sprint as healer .. if the tank is using it ... unless if i die and have to run back to the group ... maybe ... maybe not ... some tanks just dont care about that and just going to kill themself if the healer cant sprint and refuse to run a few steps back to even try to get in range for a heal in case its needed
8:00 I had this exact thing pictured happen when I got ARF the other day: healer was locked down, I ran to them and then so did the MCH and we all almost died lmfao
Conversely, another time when I was healer I stood with the tank, got the mechanic and they ran away from me and I almost died lol
It just about trips up EVERYONE.
Both these times none were sprouts btw
Yeah most players have no idea how this mechanic works! In fairness, it doesn't happen much in casual content certainly!
@@CaetsuChaijiCh Yeah I think the first time it shows up in casual content is Alexander.... which you get access to AFTER ARF lmao
ARF is such a party wiper, and it tickles me pink that you call it that.
It is a surprise, just like an arfing dog! 😁
What do you think about the healer strike?
This regards level 50 and below content.
I have no issues using Scholar, Astrologian, Sage. For the life of me I'm having tanks die or just melt when I'm running White Mage. All the other healers I can monitor a tank and figure out what is the safe percentage of their health before healing is needed depending on their play style. But as White Mage Cure 2 is too slow, Cure 1 can mostly keep up but "I'm casting Cure 1". Sometimes I can get tanks that I can squeeze in a Cure 2. But when running White Mage the only thing I can do is spam heals for the first half of a mob pull. I am precasting regen once the tank gets agro, or out of agro range just before they start pulls. I'm using holy when it's available once the tank stops to deal with the pulls. I'm using the oGCD if it's available. Is this just an aspect of pre-50 level content for White Mage, or am I the baddie?
Amusingly for me, with whm I can deal with anything the tank can actually handle with no issues, but with the shield healers, I tend to run out of everything but whatever their most basic heal is pretty quick. Though I fully admit I am *NOT* well versed with either as well, and I'm entirely sure it's a me thing there. Astro is just too similar to Whm for me to have the issue with it. Didn't even realize cure 2 was actually slower, had to look that up to compare to Astro (I knew it was more expensive for... whatever reason.. despite having the same potency as Benefic 2.)
But, just sitting here thinking about various ARR content runs, and I think I do tend to need to spend more time healing than I can attacking on average. In anything with harder hitting mobs, it's often cure2->cure2/regen->holy/aero 'rotation'. Middling damage I can alternate healing and attacking, and in the light hitting places I can attack more. So... yeah, honestly, it really may just be a whm thing. Though it can sometimes feel hard to get them in there, the holy stuns really can give you some leeway for yet another holy, or topping someone off before stunning them again at the start of fights. Could opt to swift cast the first one, or presence of mind a chain of them. Always fun to do, even if you might have to pause on your flash banging to heal someone. At least it'll be faster for a few seconds every so often.
There are definitely some cases in the level 30-50 range (Stone Vigil, Aurum Vale, Darkhold) where W2W pulls can be a bit on the nasty side for a WHM but that's where Presence of Mind (PoM) comes in. If you are properly geared and can't keep up with damage casting back to back Cure 2s under PoM then your tank is doing something wrong. As the other commenter points out, it is common when things get bad to alternate cure 2 and holy, sometimes I will spend swiftcast for a cure 2 if I believe it will save me a raise but other than the above and suggesting you apply some of the shield healer anticipation of healing need to start casts earlier, I can't give more productive advice without seeing you run.
so that's what TP does, so glad they got rid of that annoyance
I've had healers who will pretty much never use AoE and sometimes even stand around spamming cure 1 on me in lvl 90 dungeons, AS A WARRIOR!
I've also had times where the paladin will use Clemency on themselves at 90% hp when im the healer.
I swear the pool of ill informed and lackluster players has risen drastically.
Before it was a once in a blue moon where you'd have ass teammates that are either single pull or "You pull, you tank" tanks, heals only healers and buffs on bosses only peeps, but now its like 60% - 80% of my runs are with these people...
I like slapping regen then spamming Holy, the stun is enough for you to regain health.
I’ve been seeing a lot of Cure I white mages lately and it just makes me wonder if it is a new issue or if I’m just noticing it more.
I'll be here, just waiting for the day when I can hear "did you know that warriors CAN'T solo...", I think it will be a long journey
Warrior can't solo arf synced due to a dps check! 😂
I got a lot of extreme fight from mentor roulette recently.... smh 😪
I wish I got more extremes, maybe not A LOT, but I'd take a few more than what I've been getting at least! 😅
Dunno why we’re seeing so many white mages here too, it’s somehow the “easiest healer job” where players can make the most obvious mistakes, just had one where the healer kept using Cure III only on everyone…we wiped four times on the dungeon :)))))))))
Also is there a guide somewhere that’s telling these new WHM players to have Medica II constantly on everyone? Cause it’s concerning how much I keep seeing that
I ran into them too. I would stop and tell them cure 3 is an aoe heal and is only really needed If they ever need to heal the transition between nael and bahamut, lol
@@Hoooound They're probably coming from other MMOs where active healing is way more important. They'll adjust eventually. Hopefully...
@@titaniumvulpes It's been ages since I played WoW and seeing some videos on the healing there you more or less have to keep everyone topped off all the time, so that's probably it
Yeah the cure 3 thing is a classic with how they don't notice the potency 😅
And in regards to the medica 2 thing, I THINK there actually was such a video, but I don't think it got that much traction 😅
whm is so unpredictable i've got a whm who only decided to use holy when the mobs are UNDER HALF HP
Less slacking, more tomahawks.
Seems like you are pointing out mistakes of the healers. Allow me to return the favour.
Did you know, warrior has the hardest hitting spammable instant single target ranged attack than all other tanks in the form of tomahawk?
For most of your pulls, you opt to run from one pull to the next with just 1 initial aoe attack, and did nothing while running. You were wasting a lot of gcd not using tomahawk. Your tomahawk generate more enmity than any of your single hit that could prevent any dps from pulling off of you during the pull. Not to mention that each would count as 150 potency. If you do it 5 times on the run, that’s a whole 750p that will surely shorten the time to clear the pack.
Not using tomahawk while running means you are actually throwing one of the warrior’s advantages out the window!!
My recommendation is to get used to clicking the enemy UI bar and hit each and every mob within your range with that tomahawk.
😜😜😜
That is true, and sometimes I do do this, but I often value running ahead to pull the next pack sooner over sneaking in an extra tomahawk, and this often causes me to be out of range of mobs to use tomahawk anyway.
With that said, the potency difference you did list here adds up to about one, if not less than one holy cast, not even considering the actual damage per potency between the jobs, so this is something I would normally file under excessive nitpicking (and yes I do also dabble in nitpicking myself 😉)
In regards to the part about preventing dps from pulling mobs off of me, was this a common problem in the video? 😂
Anyway thank you for the suggestion!
@@CaetsuChaijiChI’m merely having some fun. Seeing those player’s names being broadcasted and can be opened to potential unwanted attentions, I am just pointing out the issue I saw with your gameplays from what you showed me. My only hope is that you obtained the consent from those players before posting this? 😊
The internet is a public place. Even had they been hidden behind initials, if anyone wanted to seek them out, they would have been able to find them.
I personally feel hiding the names dehumanizes them, causing people to think it is more okay to be toxic towards them. I also feel that I am not being outright unfair when pointing out what could be done better in the videos, which, if I was outright insulting them I feel would give much more reason to hide all the names. Instead, I keep even the chat log open so you can see that I am being polite with these players in game as well 😊
@@CaetsuChaijiCh Yes, the internet is a public place. But if your aim for this video is for educational purposes only, hiding their names would not have made your point any less clear.
I know a lot of videos out there include player names. But the nature of this one is mostly targeted a lot more at the specific individuals. If they had knowledge of their performance being criticized and posted, that's different than if they had no knowledge of their gameplay being used in this manner.
A sane day in df
2:10 people like this have Dyscalculia, or subscribe religiously to NA can't read memes.
I want to play dps but after being a tank for 300 hours and finally getting a dps to 90 i hate playing dps because either the healer or tank suck and sonetimes its both.
I know that feeling. I've gotten better about this simply because I've recently been more able to bring a tank and a healer to avoid that problem! 😅
Healing and just sitting there doing nothing in between seems...incredibly boring.
I say as someone that used to be that healer lol. I don't know what I was doing in the down time kind of makes me wonder....
Am a free trial player, am having difficulty finding a party for Odin ( I want that armor, its sick), how can you find one for it if I cant use LFG?
Well you can try and queue for it. Odin is in a weird spot where it is between normal and extreme in difficulty so the queue might be really long. You can also try and go to one of the cities and ask if anyone will help you run it unsynced a few times if you just want the loot 😊
@@CaetsuChaijiCh can unsync gain loot ? How many do you need for him? Yeah when I used the Duty Finder i cant find anybody, I left it one time it was at 1h and 30min without forming a group
@patrickarraes4422 unsynced drops loot as normal. If you have a level 90 player with you they can instantly kill Odin I assure you 😊
@@CaetsuChaijiCh did you see my other comment about healers on console? Am recently playing healer on ps5 and its hard to dps + cure while the tank pulls, not on bosses but pulling gets insane.
@patrickarraes4422 it is unfortunately a part of the game! I don't play on a controller so I cannot give good advice on this. But there is this thing called "soft targeting" which allows you to target another player for a single action which I hear controller players find helpful, as it then snaps back to your previous target immediately after!
I am the most wasteful white mage. Regen on tank and medica 2 then dps
I just dont play whm a y more N took up sage so i didnt have lite. To ppls grip cause i didnt do something right in there eyes apprent as whm it was alway something i got so sick of it an i have never heard of it on sage caue no one can critique me on that class apprent concidered the hadest healer to play😅
I'll admit, if I get a curebot healer, i tend to just stop mitigating. The purpose of my mitigations is to help you deal more damage, if you won't deal damage either way why should i bother?
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You should really be hiding first/last names in your party in videos like this.
I feel when you only have initials on the players, it makes people view them as less real, and somehow justifies being meaner.
Also, if someone actually wanted to seek any of the people in these videos out, initials a race and a region can absolutely be enough to find them. So I feel this idea of using only initials is a false sense of anonymity anyway
When I play WAR at a high enough level to use Nascent Flash, I show some "unspoken disrespect" to cure bots by putting it on the healer in a w2w pull and not only burying their puny healing on my screen, but flooding their screen with massive heals, too. If they still cure bot, I dunno what they're thinking lol. "I'm still doing my small part" maybe?
Dude as a melee main(and tank on the side) I love when whm don't spam holy and are actually smart waiting for the AOE spam that happens when there all grouped up yes it's nice for DPS but not needed, hate the I know the right way to play and it's only my way talk you do, we get it your a holy spammer why can't there be cc whm out there in the world.
I never said you should use holy before the mobs are stacked up, that's actually extremely inefficient for everyone 😅
I feel you are reading something out of this video that isn't there!
As a main tank if i do a pull and it feels like it took forever i usually just leave.
Do you try to help/ find out, what's going wrong before you leave?
@@aidoannpx2424 no. Most of the time when I did it was people not attacking and now I just do not care to find out I just go damn I had to push blood wedding 4 times wtf leave. In one pull.
Confused what the point of this video is. Just gives me the impression you are shit talking healers. You aued for mentor roulette right? Isn't the point of that roulette to pair mentors with possibly I experienced players? Of course you're going to encounter people who do t k ow what the hell they're doing. Level skip is a thing which gives a person less experience with a class than if they played more legit and even then I've been around for a long time and still learning new shit. I'm also unsure but isn't there an option to remove the novice status as well? In other games such statuses can cause a player to basically be ostracized due to toxic communities and if they are coming from such a game their perception of what to expect from FF is clouded, then doing a video like this only confirms their clouded perception. I feel as a mentor myself my job is to help in any way I can to instruct players how to play the game and having a great deal of patience is very important to that as well as not trying to give them a hard time if they aren't doing something correctly. Considering this seems to be targeting healers as well this might be taken out of context for healers and could potentially make these rumors of a healer boycot worse for when DT drops. After all if people are just gunna shit on healers and the devs make the content so easy that it can be cleared without one they why do you need one?
It sounds heavy handed and shit talk heavy when taking it at face value and not seeing the systemic pattern across a lot of the series. In isolation it looks and sounds pretty bad but across the 14 videos of the series it tells of a systemic problem with the game when it allows players to skip absolutely everything up till the start of current expansion, doesn't adequately explain basic core mechanics to roles in an either intuitive or mandatory way (guildhest and hall of the novice is all optional), nor really encourage players to read their tooltips to get an idea how their job, or role, functions.
Then we have to consider players being reinforced by their previous experiences to come to a conclusion that what they currently, and in the future, are doing is good and are reluctant to change it in fear of doing something wrong or just feel entitled to the way they play is the right way and anyone else trying to teach/tell them how to play is wrong and isn't the one playing their game for them. It feels like that too many players end up too reluctant to adapt and change after having the initial core part of their kit because "if it worked for me then it'll always work" ends up being the default mentality especially in the case of healers because they haven't necessarily been forced to adapt and move on.
And about the Healer Strike, the original thread creator for the strike has not completed anything past Extremes with pretty verifiable proof of it. Does it necessarily invalidate the strike? Not really, but quite a number of the points start falling apart because jobs should be tuned to the highest level of content and while dungeon content has been getting seemingly easier it has more so been the product of Tanks gaining more and more defensive power compared to offensive as a result of time as well as a direction to make many dungeon boss mechanics be avoidable damage. But MSQ dungeons are also the bottom level of battle content that everyone should be able to clear through no questions asked so it should be easier.
Also it is 400 people in "active participation" in their dedicated Discord and the 3400 posts in thread looks like a lot of back and forth flaming/discussion. It's getting more and more discussion cause a number of smaller creators are jumping in on it as well as Zepla sticking her neck into something she never had a stake in.
I think you completely misunderstood the video Raventhor. 😊
You can see in the actual chat log in the footage that if I say something, it is well meaning and positive first of all. Second, when I point out the mistakes, it might sound a bit aggressive if the mistakes are particularly bad, but that is because it reaches a point where I try to make it a joke instead because of how bad it is.
However, the key here is that most often, the problem isn't that the players (for example healers) are making mistakes, the problem is that they do so, and also don't take advice.
As a mentor, sure, my task is also to help players through, but it isn't to be some god gamer that carries, that is not how this works. As a mentor, my task is also to give advice and help the other players. But if they ignore it or refuse it, then not much i can do. But I CAN teach other new players about these mistakes in a video highlighting it. And I think you should consider that I do have a lot of new players watching this channel that regularly voice their appreciation for this advice 😊 if you think what I said in the video qualifies as toxic, then I think you've been very lucky! 😅
Edit: also you saying "what is the point?"... It's a gameplay video showcasing my journey of doing mentor roulettes.... I say that at the start 😂
@KaguyaEne thank you for that detailed analysis!
I had heard about the healer strike, but not much further so thank you for the further insight 😊
@@KaguyaEne I do agree with many of your points but it seems the points you've made are indication of the issue with the system and not specifically the player. While the player still has a hand in the choices they make when playing the game it seems the system is still designed in a way that doesn't encourage these players to adapt and that's really the issue. This video seemed to focus on the issues the system created as though they were the players fault when they aren't and that's my issue. Blaming the wrong thing basically.
@@CaetsuChaijiCh I believe it may be an issue of the presentation then. To me it almost feels like you are trying to call people out when doing a mentor roulette when the purpose of that roulette is to pair mentors with less experienced players and thus you can expect various issues to pop up due to the players inexperience. Calling them out for their refusal to listen and heed your advice however is definitely a different story and is an indication of their own toxic behavior. In the case where they do this blatantly I can't blame you for that, but if they just don't respond there might be another reason why this is the case. In my years playing FF I have encountered people who have this perception of FF that it's a single player game and because ffxiv was the newest out at the time there have been issues where players have played it as such. Another similar issue is those who might be playing on ps4 yet do not have a keyboard. The game does not support voice chat either nor explains that these players are playing with people not on ps4 which can make communication difficult. I have one such friend that if I wasn't currently educating him on these issues he would be like many of these players you are encountering in mentor roulette.
When my bf is on his whm, im usually playing tank
I have a macro for it,
And it goes as followed
"The healer and i are a pair, if YOU have an issue with his healing, you can either leave the party, or get over it.
If you HAVE to make it an issue, and i am the group leader, you will be kicked"
One time i just left the group due to someone being extremely toxic about his healing, i wasnt going to help the lala lvl up
Im completely fine with whatever healing spells my bf gives me, EVEN IF ITS CURE 1
did i die, no, have i been reported for that macro, no, only one person had to make it an issue out of the 6 months of me tanking
Again, i have ZERO issue of my bf using cure 1 on me, even if hes lvl 90
Uh, if you had to make a macro because it happens so often I don’t think the other players are the problem.
@@ditzyhere3138 and I'm not going to tell my boyfriend to change how he plays he game
That sounds like quite the bad behaviour for a partner. I got my wife into XIV and she likes healing, as a healer and tank main myself, I teach her and give her information about her job so she can improve.
You obviously know that Cure 1 at level 90 is bad practice, but instead of helping your partner improve you choose to hold him back and instead of helping him you pretend like the other people are the problem. That's just sad to hear.
Also, you can't kick people just because you are party leader in roulettes, you still need to vote for it. Party leader makes literally no difference at all.
@@halosaft ok
If a cure 1 gets me out of the dead zone, then that's fine, why use a cure 2 that would only heal an additional 263 health for 2.5x increase in mana (not counting crits)
Besides it's usually the lalafels that want to start shit because apparently if your not playing to their standards, it's in issue that the world needs to know, one of them took a few screenshots and posted it to reddit
Went in several dungeons with the bf as the healer, there was no lalafels, no one made any fuss about the whole thing, bf even got the comms, went in a dungeon with a lalafel, he used cure1, that particular player went on a rant for 10 minutes about why cure1 is never supposed to be used, didn't help with the boss, and was just a major pain, I did the vote and he was kicked and for context, the dungeon was haukke manor
Not everyone wants to be a meta gamer.
There's a MASSIVE difference between asking someone to attack a bit when they have nothing else to do, and "being a meta gamer" 😂
Fair point. 😂