Jim Cornette on Dave Meltzer's Tweet About AEW's Tag Division Versus 1980's Tag Teams
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- čas přidán 12. 07. 2020
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Hart Foundation, Demolition, Strike Force, Rockers, Arn/Tully, Twin Towers, British Bulldogs, Stallions, Bees, Rougeous....were all on WWE's roster at the exact same time lmao. E&C, Hardys, New Age Outlaws, Dudleys, APA, Too Cool, Kane/Xpac were also all on WWEs roster simultaneously
"Other than All Japan" lmfao. Dude, is there anyone who more blatantly shills to the most minuscule of the smart mark audience than Meltzer
I love the King's Road era of All Japan but none of those tag teams in AEW (besides FTR) can carry the jocks of Holy Demon Army, Super New Generation, Burning, Hansen and Brody, G.E.T, MVC, even Spivey was a better worker than the invisible grenade guy.
New Day, Usos, Bar, (and if things were done differently and all brands merged... DIY, FTR, American Alpha, Good Bros, Enzo & Cass, Undisputed Era, Rollins & Reigns [since we're taking solo acts as teams])
@No Marks Allowed hardys > bucks
No Marks Allowed 🤣🤣🤣🤦🏻♂️
I totally get why some people find fault with his opinions, but I'll never understand why people make the jump from that to the assumption he must be "shilling". I submit that it;s entirely possible, even likely, that the things he says represent his genuine opinions.
Bruh, theres a reason why we have somethimg called "the road warrior pop" and not the "young buck pop"
The Young Buck pop is crickets 🦗.
Word is that when they show up Meltzer gets a pop in his pants.
The young buck poop.
Straight up 😂😂😂.
Meltzer refers to an erection as a buck pop
What's more disappointing than Dave trying to act like the "cool wrestling adult for the kids" and say these ridiculous things, is the fact that some AEW fans are actually agreeing with him. Pro wrestling is truly, truly just a walking corpse at this point.
Pro wrestling has been dead since the debut of beyond the mat that documentary killed the business even corny knows that
@@alwaysnmymind4705 Wrestling is not dead, is in life support.
The moment companies stop making big money with wrestling the moment it's officially death.
Jon Thomas most companies are failing lmao, just a bad time
Yes these aew fools believe anything think nothing wrong with show just think everything is great
@Jon Thomas WWE is too big to fail.
I remember someone asked Dave Meltzer what his dream match of any two wrestlers in history would be and he said "Ibushi vs Omega". A match that has already happened. Not Bret vs Bryan, or Michaels vs AJ, or Hogan vs Austin, or Sting vs Taker, or anything even remotely creative. Two guys that he's already gagging on, what a gutless journalist.
Savage vs Rock, Warrior vs Batista, Lesnar vs Brody. Even one of these matches would be a 1000 times better than anything out of Japan
Kurt Angle vs Bret Hart.
Chris Benoit vs Owen Hart.
Eddie Guerrero vs Ric Flair in their prime.
Hell I'll even take Hulkamania vs Super Cena (80s Hogan vs early 2010s Cena) - it won't be close to a 5 star match but it'll be a fucking spectacle.
HBK Vs Dolph Ziggler, The Undertaker vs the fiend, Andre vs big show
@@jesusleyva4386 Warrior v. Batista? Lmao two of the worst workers.
@@eastwaters4082 Bad workers can still tell a good story. Psychology makes matches great.
If Jericho and Sammy are better then the rock and roll, then Jericho and big show had to be the whole 4 horsemen
Couldn’t have been said better.
Jerishow was better than the whole AEW tag division
@@ITRiBUTEI Jerishow was good and AEW isn't so
Dave has to be trolling, he mentioned Private Party as a good tag team. The words I would use are sloppy green soft-serve gymnasts
@@FoolStomper I think he's being paid by AEW. There's no way he honestly has these opinions.
Uncle Dave tomorrow: "Except for AJW in the 90's, no company had anything close to Riho, Brandi, Nyla Rose, the Librarian and the Bunny."
"Kenny Omega hasn't been this hot a Wrestling Star since Hulk Hogan in 88." - Dave Meltzer
"Ric Flair wishes he could lace up Cody's boots with the amount of adoration he gets when his theme hits." - Dave Meltzer
If Karl Gotch was still Wrestling today, he would have taken a few tips from Joey Janela.
- Uncle Dave
'And Riho is the modern day Wendy Richter.'
🤣😂
I’m so glad I grew up on 80’s and 90’s wrestling.
Well said DA MAN
I'm so glad you grew up with 80's and 90's wrestling.
Im content to rewatch that era than watch wrestling now.
That Riddle guy is pretty good though.
If AEW has the most stacked tag team division in history, then why do they have two thrown together singles wrestlers as one of the two tag team champions in company history? Simple logic says Dave is full of it and just trying to hype AEW up because of it's steadily declining ratings.
That's a good question. I know Omega and Page had wrestled together for a while before winning the titles from SCU but this whole "Will Page leave the Elite?" thing probably should have ended ages ago (I know the pandemic has interfered with what passes for AEW's booking plans but the storyline's not advanced since Page came back).
ShadowAngel wow you nailed it. Nice list
Meltzer is absolutely on their payroll. The greatest tag team division of all time? None of those teams in AEW are even in the top 10 greatest tag teams of all time and thats being generous.
The funny thing is that it’s exactly the thing they criticize wwe the most for
@@Chris-by1su Zealots are everywhere.
"Simpsons do things today that they would have never been able to have done 30 years ago".
Yes. Suck so bad.
Of all the things Dave Meltzer has said recently, this takes the cake as being the most batshit insane statement in the history of wrestling.
Just lends more truth to the reality that Dave is on AEWs payroll now
WORD!!!!
Yea hes off his fucking meds!! Ive watched the Bucks wrestle for about 5 years now, and for the life of me I cannot understand what makes The Bucks the so called best tag team in the world. Am I fucking missing something??
@@BangemJ Nope. I tried giving them a chance, but their matches are all the same and boring. I can't take them seriously with how they look and dress. They seem like dory kids playing dress up, nothing masculine about them or most of AEW's male roster.
chembiz that and the fact that they forgot the gimmick of a tag match, as Al Snow would say, The Tag! They spend most of their time in the ring doing double team moves as the referee ignores everything and refuses to disqualify them, to maintain some semblance of wrestling psychology.
People had the luxury of watching the Rockers vs The Brain Busters on house shows in the late 80s. Not getting that from AEW.
if you honestly told me that dave was being slipped some money under the table to say nothing negative about aew, I wouldn't be shocked
I'm fairly convinced he's on the AEW payroll in some capacity.
Goes both ways seems cornette has been slipped some cash himself to bash AEW now since the virus. Before he was praising it a hell of alot. Dont believe me go to his archives
X man He liked bits , some segments and a few matches. Mainly stuff involving Cody , mjf and Jericho before the Matt hardy segment
He is in the payroll, it was leaked weeks ago.
@@alwaysnmymind4705 Care to site your source on Cornette being slipped that cash? And by who?
1999 WWF is overlooked a lot.
The New Age Outlaws, The Dudleys, The Hardy Boyz, Edge and Christian, The Acolytes. All good shit, Pal.
Don’t forget test and Albert and the hot trish stratus and the hollys
True wwe in 99-02 had some really great tag teams.
Too Cool
U forgot ministry taker
Depends what age you were during particular eras.
I loved the late 80's-early 90's tag-teams, but if I switch my kid brain on for a second... I know the majority of it was because of the outfits, team names and how cool their logo's looked on the trading cards haha.
But, looking back, the ones already mentioned are good periods of tag-teams. Shout out to T'n'A, my boy's Test and Albert.
The Young Bucks don't hold a candle to The Rockers.
Or any other tag team from the mid 80s to early 90s
The Road Warriors, just by existing, shit all over the Bucks career.
Wrestling is an entertainment buisness,not a "whos better than who" Competition
The Rockers Rejects wannabe
@@RandalfElVikingo Sweet Jesus. Can you Imagine Prime Hawk and Animal getting a hold of the No longer Young Bucks?
Weird, Uncle Dave must’ve forgot the Dork Order...🤣😂
Wcw had the Steiner brothers, Doom, the Road warriors, the Skyscrapers, the Varsity club, the Midnight Express, the Horsemen, all at 1 time
Don't forget the Dynamic Dudes, they were an amazing team and beloved by the northeast fans.
Hell, the Steiners ALONE are better than any tag team in AEW ever. Fuck.
And they added over the years Harlem Heat, the Hollywood Blondes, Benoit and Malenko just to name a few
You forgot Harlem Heat, shame on you lol.
@@RandalfElVikingo They were there later.
Jim's right! Dave's comments on AEW's greatness are not even funny anymore...!
I mean, when i look at the tag-teams of NWA/WCW with teams like Road Warriors, Midnight Express, Steiner Brothers, Fabulous Freebirds, Doom, Skyscrapers, Samoan Swat Team, and so on...! That was WAY better than AEW's stuff imo!!!
Holy shit, the sky scrapers? If you take undertaker out they would fit in at AEW.
Even late 90s. Harlem Heat, Steiner Bros, The Outsiders, Faces of Fear, Sting & Luger, Norton and Bagwell, Wrath & Mortis.
What a load of crap nwa and wwf in the 80's have 100 times the better teams than aew.
WWF in the 80s was 100 times better than wwe in the now not just aew blahh
@@alwaysnmymind4705 I know, this video and the question however is about aew.
@@willjohnboy well I'm just stating the obvious
The Orient express worked way better than most of these AEW tag teams.
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They were Badd Company in the AWA. Tag champs with Yep, DDP as manager!
WWF in 1999-2001 I can remember the next teams:
APA
Edge n Christian
Hardys
Dudleys
New Age Outlaws
Rock n Sock
Too Cool
Kane n Undertaker
Bob n Crash Holly
Test n Albert
Jericho n Benoit
I rather see 3 or 4 of this teams that anyone involving bucks, omega and the others jumping jackass
Don't forget The Oddities 😂
Meltzer said at one time you idiot- you are doing a 3 year span all those teams were not that at the same time during that 3 year span
@@rxnupe Hardy Boyz Dudley e&c and the outlaw that 4 are better tag teams then aew
Thanks for giving Jericho and Benoit props. Damn they worked well a tag team. Benoit worked liked Morton and Jericho was Gibbs. Classic.
@@rxnupe Um sorry to burst your little bubble but the Acolytes, New age Outlaws, Dudley Boys, Hardyz, and Edge and Christian all wrestled in 99 and early 2000. Not to mention teams like the Rockers, Demolition, Hart Foundation, Road Warriors, Orient Express, etc all wrestled in the same year. None of the tag teams of today can even come close to any of those teams.
Meltzer is just yanking Cornette's chain. Not a single soul could genuinely believe something so ludicrous.
Have u listened to Dave Meltzer...
Except Dave Meltzer.
No, he absolutely means it. Lol
No Meltzer really is that stupid and insane lol
I'd love to see the Steiners have 5 minutes with these guys, Scott would show em a thing or two.
3:24 ouch
Scott before BPP? Vs the Young Fucks? Screwdrivers for everyone!
I worked for a small indie wrestling company in Australia between 2007 and 2009, and even they had a better tag division than AEW. There was variety, but everyone was highly skilled and well trained. The matches were always solid and made sense. I can not say that about AEW. They did have 1 comedy team, but even they were actually really good wrestlers and didn't let their comedy shtick get in the way of their matches.
I didn’t even watch 80s tag team wrestling (probably because I wasn’t born then), and even I can tell how biased and pro AEW Dave Meltzer is.
Same. Meltzer has been exposed. Good.
He's been exposed for years lol
I was alive then...though barely...I can tell you, Meltzer's always been. Pompous ass. And tag wrestling was better even 15 years ago,let alone the golden age
@@ElectricCool even in the ruthless agression era with jericho christian, dudley boyz, 3 min warning, test steiner, la resistance, rvd and kane, mnm, london and kendrick etc. got old wwe ppv dvds from 1999-2007 ppv dvds from 1999-2007 attitude era and ruthless agression eras. tag team divison was much better in wwe ruthless agression era.
Outside of three teams most of AEW's team couldn't even get with Kaientai.
Indeed
Not fair. Most wrestlers aren't Kaientai. Taka Fuckin' Michinoku.
@@mikeborsum8881 yeah taka michinoku create sitdown slam michinoku driver. had his own promotion mickinoku pro wrestling in japan in 90's.
@@erickessler7105 Great Sasuke created Michinoku Pro (after Masa Michinoku, his real name). Taka created Kaientai Dojo.
80% of wrestlers can't stack up to Taka Fucking Michinoku.
A better comparison would be Headbangers or Boss Man and B-2 who were middle of the road teams.
I miss the tag team depth of the 80s. Not everyone can be world champ and you can have a great career as a top team.
Its official kiddos: Dave Meltzer is the biggest AEW mark of them all. The man will shill 4-6 stars to any train wreck they will do, especially if it involves The Bucks or Omega, who are smart enough to know how to manipulate him.
Or maybe it’s because AEW actually pushes there tag division unlike WWE
y’all take this wrestling stuff way to serious
@@LJWash Who the hell are they pushing? Nobody gets over because every match is a 20 minute spot fest with 50/50 booking. Nobody looks credible. No team looks better coming out of the match. Who the hell are they trying to push/get over?
@@RONTHEGOAT if nobody takes it serious, then it turns into a joke, and what would be the point of even presenting pro wrestling when everybody just wants it to be funny, stupid, and embarrassing.
Metalhead Wrestling on top of that they spent months building up best friends just to have them lose their title match lol
Imagine Cornette, Meltzer, Russo, and Omega trapped in an elevator.
“Cody Rhodes! Best ever! Heard his dad was a midcarder back in the day, sure he would be happy his son eclipsed him totally.” Meltzer, next week probably.
LMAO!!! I laughed till my side hurt! The R-n-R Express would be like Taker & Kane to most of the team's there. And the Midnight Express would be tag champs FOREVER!
Drugs are bad uncle dave
Not all drugs. Look at Ricky Morton
Dave has to be on AEW payroll😂😂 The man is an absolute joke
Either that or he just wanna be "one of the boys". He's trying too hard at this point.
Probably. Or he's just such a huge mark that he supports them blindly due to the Bucks naming a move after him.
That or Kenny's/Bucks' payroll. Dudes been performing this verbal fellatio on those 3 for awhile.
Ok look, I understand that people's taste evolve and change over time, But when it comes to Big Dave, he really just became a hardcore shill hasn't he? The only time I can remember him saying something some what negative that people agreed with was Mox vs Omega in that hardcore match. Other than that, Dave could watch someone turn the rear to the cam and break wind and call it must watch TV and something on par with wrestling in it's "glory days"
He criticized AEW a lot in December when they were having their worst episodes. They've been great since the start of the year though and he's been deservedly complimentary.
If they tried to recreate 2 girls 1 cup on AEW tv, Dave would comment on how the crowd loved it and how regular non-wrestling fans walked up on the street and told him how much they loved it.
@@kingcam0775 it was, ya know, whatever.
@@iggymcfly Yes, he came hard down on them back in December, but notice how they immediately fixed their bad parts in one week the moment Alvarez and Meltzer commented on it. They also bragged about their 6 star success on one BTE nearly the entire time after Revolution and there have been times Meltzer will give random 6 man tag matches 4+ Stars, even if they mean shit and rank them higher than matches like Cody vs Hager that actually matter? AEW is literally one big, giant work to get themselves over to Meltzer for 4-5 stars.
@@Hellwolf36 yet aew can not even get 1 million viewers. losing to shows like bravo housewives guy grocery games also legmasters. so i don;t think it matters how many aew matches gets metlzer lame 5 star ratings. when aew can not even get 1 million viewers.
NWA 1986 -90 to me had the greatest tag team division. Rock N Roll Express, Midnight Express, Tully and Arn, Koloffs, Road Warriors, Varsity Club, DOOM, Steiners,
You forgot the Sheepherders, Gordy and Williams, Rude and Fernandez, Powers of Pain, New Breed, Garvin and Windham, The Russians, Windham and Luger, The SST, Freebirds,
@@RealBird78 Rude and Bull. We will rock you!
Meltzer must be on AEW’s payroll. If Tony Kahn puts enough cash down, Dave will tell the whole world Joey Janella is in great shape
Brian LaFev apparently once upon a time meltzer was on the wwe payroll in the 80s. So I would not be surprised if he was
@brian lafev joey janela and marko stunt make the miz and morrison look like great khali and big show size wise.
@@lmcast3792 yes in 1999 documentary beyond the mat dave metlzer said vince mcmahon is best promoter in business. so he was high opinion on wwe or then wwf in 1999.
"Wrestling drew Money back then" 5 words. Enough Said. Truth !
All Japan in the 80's and 90's had awesome teams, and they had incredible matches.
And they were selling out shows with tag matches. That's how much of a draw they were.
lol to e, "SCU" will always mean "Stone Cold University" from the old WWF magazine merchandise shirts lol
Everytime I hear SCU I think of the Stone Cold shirt.
@@joshdean3234 SAME! haha! i want to trade med school for SCU!
Should just go back to "Bad Influence"
Road Warriors, Midnight Rockers, Hart Foundation, the Steiners, the Nightmares, the Blackjacks, the Varsity Club, Arn and Tully, the Midnight Express, the Freebirds and the Von Erichs etc,.
Ffs. NWA in the 80s. 🤷♂️
Take your pick which year.
88-90 Varsity Club, Luger & Windham, Road Warriors, Horseman, Midnight Express, Rock ‘n’ Roll Express, The Fantastics, Skyscrapers, Doom, Dynamic Dudes, Freebirds, Somoan Swat team, Southern Boys, Nasty Boys.
"Somalian Swat team"
Samoan Swat team my man.
Edit rick n roll to rock n roll.
MaxxCoyote mistake lol changed it
willjohnboy done like. Predictive text
I'll even throw some mid 2000's teams in there MNM,Londrick,Haas/Benjamin,MCMG,
Brought up 90’s WCW tag teams and didn’t mention Harlem Heat, I’m offended! haha
Harlem Heat vs Sting and Luger. Loved HH.
The BEST!! SSUUUUUCCCKKKKAAAAAA!!!! On like a steamin’ pot of Neckbone!
I tried out AEW in the beginning because I was intrigued at the start of a new alternative to WWE - WWF after all these years since WCW.... Jesus Christ, that Lucha Bros - Omega versus Young Bucks match on some PPV killed it (the hadouken was the final nail in the coffin). I felt like I was watching Cirque de Soleil / Tournament of Kings at Las Vegas... okay, it's fake wrestling, but it's even faker wrestling. Everything feels so plastic and is just a series of gymnastic maneuvers without any logic - thought of projecting a real fight - combat between teams. Slow down the fucking matches, sell the moves and use some psychology. Great athleticism, great gymnastics...however, I want to watch wrestling and not a bunch of acrobats flip around the ring.
The Hadouken Was Actually Undertaker Vs. Kane Where Undertaker Used It Twice
They are seriously still doing the Hadouken shit? I tried out AEW, because it was going to be rated T, so I figured my intelligence wouldn't be insulted. It got insulted and I think I saw about 1500 Canadian Destroyers in the short time I watched. It's like a fucking tryout for men's gymnastics for the Olympics. That and there's wayyyyyyy too much comedy. Part of me wishes the shit would shut down, but another part of me doesn't wanna see a neutered WWE Jericho and I'm pretty sure Moxley wouldn't come back.
I didn’t hear Butcher/Blade on that list. I think booked well- they could be a player
You're a legend, RF!
Wow I had no idea Robert frank listened to Corny that's pretty awesome
I agree. I'm not a big fan of their look due to them coming across as a bit silly (I think someone mentioned Butcher's appearance seemingly being a Gangs of New York reference but I've not seen that movie). Presumably Dave doesn't like them as much due to their style being slower and more methodical.
If they were repackaged under a better gimmick then they could be a good mid card tag team.
I am eagerly anticipating the day when Meltzer suddenly says Russo is actually a wrestling genius, and gives Cornette a heat attack. XD
It must be embarrassing for the poor AEW tag teams to be called the best ever by Meltzer. They are still perfecting their craft and don't need to be put above teams that had far more experience at the top level., teams that they did and still idolize. Meltzer has gone so far down that rabbit hole he ain't getting back with a compass a map and satnav!
Dave's completely lost the plot.
I don't know about the 80s but from the top of my head, we can go to the 90s and early 00s and we'll find Edge & Christian, The Hardy Boyz/Team Xtreme, New Age Outlaws, D-generation X, The Dudley Boyz, APA, Too Cool, Kane and Mankind, Kane and Undertaker.
Hell, I'd even throw William Regal and Eugene as being better than all of those teams except FTR.
William Regal and Eugene were the GOAT tag team of the 2000s
If Dave can say Private Party goes on his list, then X-pac and Kane can go on yours 😂
@@FoolStomper X-Pac and Kane *can* actually wrestle. Can't say the same about Private Party though. And the same applies to the Street Profits too. Budget Cryme Tyme.
I keep going back to jim saying meltzer is like Randy marsh in that South park episode liking the tween music
OMG! Just to keep this short and the fact that I followed wwf more than other promotions: British Bulldogs, The Rockers, Windham/ Rotunda, Demolition, Hart Foundation, Wild Samoans......
DAVE IS UPSET BECAUSE HIS MEMBERSHIP IN HIS NEWSLETTER IS OFF BY 60 PERCENT SO HE HAS TO MAKE HIS MONEY SOMEWHERE ELSE.
People still buy that
Road Warriors, Steiners, Doom, Midnight Express, Freebirds, Rock n' Roll Express, and even smaller names in the 80's NWA WWF get to 200 to 300 pounds tag team members and can move like 160 but hit and make it look like 500 pounds and not wreck a man's life
The Ding Dongs, Earthquake & Typhoon, Men On A Mission, New Jack & Mustafa...
The Stud's Stable, The Fabulous Ones, Gino Hernandez and Chris Adams, Kerry and Kevin Von Erich, The Interns, The Grapplers, Lawler and Dundee, The Batten Brothers, The Zambuie Express, The Moondogs, Roddy Piper and Lonnie Mayne, The High Flyers, Dennis Condrey and Phil Hickerson, Buddy Rose and Doug Somers, Curt Hennig and Scott Hall, Gordman and Goliath, Hartford and Reginald Love, Chris Colt and Count Drummer, Ted DiBiase and Steve Williams: just a shortlist of some of the great nonWWE nonCrockett Tag Teams that graced Jim's favorite era.B.W.
I didn't want to be here listening hundreds of names but you guys are awesome. The Gangstas are absolutely amazing tag team but horrifying sometimes.
You can make a case WWF 1987 is right up there too
Demolition
Hart Foundation
Bulldogs
Fabulous Rougeaus
Dream Team
Strike Force
Sheik and Volkoff
Killer Bees
The Islanders
Lose Killer Bees and yes its good
Now i do believe that Dave is in AEW secret payroll.
Holy shit, DM has officially lost his ever loving mind, lol
He been lost his mind.
Nah meltzer just has his head so far up AEW's @$$ that he's became the 1st human colonoscopy
Teams ppl always forget: Lightning Express, The Killer Bees, Money Inc, The Sheep Herders (yes that team), OG Fire Birds, Lance & Just Incredible from Ecw ...I always hear how good the Eliminators were also esp their finisher
Eliminators rocked, ECW benefited from getting fully grown men that coulda worked in wcw or wwf, many did before or after, eliminators n pitbulls were both solid teams. N yeah, money inc gets nooooo love
Thank you for bringing up the Lightning Express. Criminally underrated, especially with maybe the most underrated wrestler ever and one of my all time favorites, Brad Armstrong. May he rest in peace.
Yeah, look out for Kronus!
@@Patrick-ud3vu Total Elimination!
TNA's tag division was better than AEW's current roster:
Machine Guns
Team 3D
LAX
Triple X
AMW
AJ/Daniels
This! Good to see someone else recognize NWA-TNA's amazing tag team division back in the day
TNA's roster from about 2005/6 was stacked and kept growing every year. I have no idea how they didn't capitalize on some of that and be a legitimate contender.
Logan Rodzen Dixie Carter and Vince Russo, that’s how...
@@Carelock Nothing in TNA was EVER stacked, Why do people insist on exagerations
TNA didnt draw shit
I liked the Voodoo Kin Mafia. I know it was the New Age Outlaws but they were still good and a little different.
Actually the Simpsons basically did screw over the fans and told us it was all BS with the Principal and the Pauper episode.
WWE Attitude Era Tag Team division was so much better than the current AEW tag team division
They're paying him, they gotta be!
As someone who’s read Meltzer off and on for the better part of 30 years, he’s legitimately lost his wrestling mind.
I’ve defended Meltzer a lot... but that tweet was fucking ridiculous and I refuse to believe he doesn’t know it’s ridiculous. FTR & the Bucks are great. But mentioning Best Friends, Private Party and Jericho/Sammy (who’ve hardly wrestled as a team) as great teams is so far beyond what is historically literate, you have to think Meltzer is up to something. I don’t know if he’s trolling or deliberately stirring controversy for clicks, but Meltzer is far too smart to believe what he tweeted.
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Late 80s-1992 WWF hands down had the Best Tag Team division in terms of 1. Look/Marketability 2.In Ring Work Rate and 3. Variation in matches.
Hart Foundation
Rockers
Arn & Tully
Demolition
Legion of Doom
Bulldogs
Rougos
Powers of Pain
And if you wanna go Jericho & Guavara then what about The Mega Powers or Haku & Andre ....honestly its embarrassing to continue on. And these were teams who Vince McMahon had and he HATES tag team Wrestling.
Power and Glory I would've put the belts on over the Harts at Mania 7 instead of the Nasty Boys. That finisher was cool.
Honestly the most embarrassing thing about this is him listing Jericho and Guevara. Jericho is essentially still mainly a single’s act and they’ve only had a handful of matches as a team and Meltzer is saying they contribute more to tag team wrestling than some of the all time greats? It’s just ridiculous at this stage
Santana and Ortiz, Lucha Bros were actually really good in Impact. They're not half as good in AEW.
Santana and Ortiz did lose to The North ("Walking Weapon"Josh Alexander & "All Ego" Ethan Page) who ended Santana's & Ortiz's 4th and Final reign as Impact Tag Team Champions in Impact Wrestling back in July 5th 2019. The North haven't lost the titles since then.
Lucha Bros ended Santana's & Ortiz's 3rd reign as Impact Tag Team Champions which until The North beat Santana' & Ortiz for the titles, Santana's & Ortiz's 3rd reign had held the longest reign for anyone as Impact Tag Team Champions. The North if they end up going to AEW would most likely suffer the same curse as the forementioned tag team.
Lucha Bros were the 2nd Major League Wrestling Tag Team Champions though what is more interesting about MLW in my opinion is nobody has won any MLW Championship more than once since MLW was founded in 2002. The promotion being defunct between 2004 and 2017 would be part of the reason but even so, since the 2017 revival of MLW one would expect somebody to win a championship more than once.
@@ChrisWoollett I think AEW is playing a long game with the Lucha Bros. I also think they are still not under a full contract. Anyway, Ray Fenix is still young, and Penta could break away from him at any moment and be a singles star as proven by his Impact run. I think AEW has already teased a few times of them both going into singles recently, so it wouldn't surprise me if in a year they are not together anymore and are having blood feuds with each other, and fighting for the World Title or TNT title.
@@ZeroShaneBob They did wrestle against each other in MLW at Zero Hour (in their debut match) when Salina de la Renta was Pentagon's manager which led to The Lucha Bros teaming up and eventually becoming MLW Tag Team Champons. Their match against each other was part of MLW Anthology Series. czcams.com/video/6dKEH-xDbJM/video.html - MLW Anthology | Lucha Brothers
Everyone is crap compared to before AEW. Even Best Friends were better in ROH.
Santana and Ortiz are becoming a comedy act, and a bad one at that.
Can anyone remember the title of the video where the artwork is Jim fighting the Gorn from Star Trek? That one was really funny.
I can't believe he didn't mention the ding dongs 1989 what an amazing tag team haha....
Ok, screw you guys, I really liked the Killer Bees, they were my third favouite tag team as a kid, after The Hart Foundation and The British Bulldogs.
Not a damn thing wrong with the Killer Bees. Two very good wrestlers.
Bret Hart loved working with the Bees.He said so in his book. B .Brian Blair was Florida Heavyweight Champion in the old NWA.
I have been watching wrestling since the mid 80's and for me tag team wrestling was at it's best in the WWF during that time. In fact I fondly remember having debates with a childhood friend on which team was better; my favs the Hart Foundation vs his favs the British Bulldogs. Great times.
I could watch the Bulldogs and Harts wrestle a million times and never get sick of it.
London/Kendrick and MNM era is much better than AEW Social Media tag teams
The artist should've drawn Dave with his eyes crossed or in different directions.
The NWA tag team division from the late 80's to early 90's and WWE's Attitude Era tag team divisions are far superior than AEW's current tag division. However, AEW's tag division is currently the best around right now.
I know. I mean based on the constant burual of AEW by these guys, they might as well be exclusively promiting the WWE and AEW, Impact Wrestling, MLW, ROH & the NWA should just fold up, give up and give their libraries to the WWE.
Tbh WWE has good tag teams they just don't give em a spot
Using Homer and The Simpson’s, while I get what he meant, wasn’t the best analogy because it’s been a shell of its former self for a long time and now with Disney owning them, makes it even more tragic.
At this point I’m 100% sure Dave is secretly on the AEW payroll
Even as a fan who got into wrestling as a teenager in the 90s and never believed it wasn't predetermined, never cared if it was presented as a sport; am I supposed to believe that AEW has a better spectacle style tag team division than attitude era WWF's tag division when E&C, The Dudley Boyz and The Hardy Bros were stealing pay-per-view's from the main event championship matches?
How's Dave dealing with the ratings downward slide over at AEW?
There not the only ones duh
drugs clearly help
Well, Jericho and Tony try to emphasize that the ONLY metric that should matter to AEW is the 18-49 demographic. 😆
@@johnnyzamora8190 well its actually a true statement and honestly I'm for aew but tony as a owner needs to not comment on such things
@Danny Isambard but the bottom line is they've been killing nxt since coming on air soo..
The Steiners would literally cripple that entire tag division
Yeah they are legit tough guys with a real wrestling background..
If I had a Time Machine, I’d book The Young Bucks vs Stan Hansen & Bruiser Brody
Holy shit... wait a minute.. that might be the most positive I've ever heard Jim talk about the Bucks. Wow.
Dave is just Trolling nowadays (I like to think)
He HAS to be just trolling..
I'm a vegetarian and I still laughed at the Impossible Burger comparison.
There are other tag teams like power & glory, High Energy, Savage and Warrior, the headshrinkers, natural disasters, Rock & sock, Dancing fools, Billy & chuck, and Deuce & domino, Haas & benjamin.
How about the Dudlys..Edge and Christan...the Hardys...The APA...Jericho and Benoit
Just listening to the teams from wwf and wcw teams being named then realising Dave really had the audacity to say AEW was the best since all Japan I just can’t understand it 🥴
Imagine thinking a makeshift Team and your makeshift Champions are better than any Team in history. Dave is for sure on the AEW payroll.
No kidding. According to Meltzer, makeshift tag teams like Omega/Page and Jericho/Guevara are comparable to Misawa/Kobashi or Kawada/Taue? Uhm, ok...
@@Boojkill I can't speak to All Japan but I'm just saying any Promotion ever.
NWA circa 1989 had The Steiners, The Road Warriors, The Fabulous Freebirds, The Midnight Express, The Rock & Roll Express and Doom.
I wonder how the fuck has the Wrestling world changed from classic ROH, the early PWG and IWA to All Entitled Wrestling in such a short period.
UE(Fish and O'Reilly) and FTR are two best tag teams in the world, imo. One of my biggest issues with AEW is how many tag matches they have per show, it's crazy.
Hayes & Garvin vs Tully & Arn 100 matches in a row > anything AEW
they neutered Santana & Ortiz in AEW. Losing to the Greenhorns Private Party? that would never have happened in Impact.
Shit like this is why I don’t get the appeal of Meltzer. He’s just a “professional” fan. He only has a following because he caters to the beliefs of the marks that subscribe to him. His takes are 90% biased, especially when it comes to AEW & the Bucks because those are his friends
First I've been a wrestling fan for 40 years and neverv in my life have read the observer and don't need to because I have eyes and can make my own observations.second as far as I know he has never worked for any promotion officially so every thing is pretty much his opinion or gossip that has reached his ears.and third he's on the pay roll.....😅😅😅😅
Big facts. Back in the 80s after all the big shows like AWA, NWA and even WWF. The tv would show some no name brand wrestling of guys who will never make it to the bigger promotions. That is what AEW looks like. Even when they put known pros in the ring they saddle them with no name midgets. Chris Jericho looked like the undertaker against Orange Cassidy.
I feel like he is lucky that there isn't a crossover with the Gamergate audience. For all their talk about 'ethics in journalism', is there anything more questionable than someone acting as a hype man for a team than have a move named after him? The Ethics in Journalism people should be all over that (well, unless their concerns about ethics are just a false flag they hide their attacks under...)
Honestly AEW's tag division doesn't even compare to attitude era tag division with the likes of Edge and Christian, The Hardy Boyz, The Dudley Boyz, APA, Too Cool, etc.
I’d pay top dollar to see the young bucks go against prime APA for 5 minutes....
peter lee Just 5? Nah, I want 30 mins of what they did to the ascension and FTR at Raw 25, hell even a little Slater humiliation by Lita with a mix of Brock and Randy Orton. I’ll pay 💰 big to see that.
@@o.w.omarquito2047 I'd give that 5 Stars
Eric10_22_99 Id break the Meltzer scale with 8 stars
peter lee APA would eat those cosplaying dorks alive
At one point in 2001 WWE had the Dudley boys, the Hardys, Edge and Christian, APA, Two man power trip, brothers of destruction, the Holly cousins, Right to Censor were mega over as heels.
When im having a bad day at work, I listen to Jim Cornette and he cheers me up with his thoughts on the wrestling business.
So the one who allegedly approves quality of matches by giving away stars doesn't realize that the thing "legal" in AEW's tagteam bouts is never there?😖
Meltzer has lost all credibility! Dude is clueless!
1989 WWF maybe?
Colossal Connection
Brainbusters
Demoliton
Twin Towers
Dino Bravo & Earthquake
The Rockers
Hart Foundation
Powers of Pain
Bushwhackers
Fabulous Rougeaus
The Russians from NWA... I loved the Killer Bees...
Rey Fenix is the standout of Lucha Bros. Santana is the DEFINITE standout of Proud n Powerful. Trent No Name is the standout of Best Friends. Adam Page has been the standout out of his team with Omega. FTR is THE best tag team nowadays.
If AEW had a creative consultant that KNOWS what they're doing with their booking it could benefit AEW in so many ways. If they hired a creative consultant, they can then hire producers to help these talents in their divisions such as the Singles, Tag Team and Womans divisions put together their matches. And ALSO HIRE FUCKING REFEREES THAT ARENT DUMB OR PUSSIES. I'm sorry, I gave them a pass since October, but the referees need to announce their AUTHORITY in the matches. Aubrey Edwards is currently amazing. I seen ppl hate that she gets involved such as when ppl are cheating like Chris Jericho and she kicks their hands away from the ropes, or when she pulls someone away when they wont break the 5 count. THATS HER GOD DAMN JOB. Quit complaining about the one god damn referee in AEW that knows what shes doing. AEW needs to hire Mike Chioda and get him to put those referees in training camp. Then the refs can then help the talents put together their matches much better instead of taking away from the matches.
So, overall AEW needs:
1. A creative consultant for booking
2. Proper producers to help make matches
3. REFEREES THAT HAVE AUTHORITY
And ps, make Excalibur learn how to properly call matches and add to them instead of pointing out obvious points and calling out these preposterous moves. When he chills and lays back and calls matches how he sees it happening, hes good. Hes a good commentator. But you can tell he gets in his own head and how he points out these obvious things it makes it seem like we as the audience cannot deduce these things ourselves. Also, when he calls out these ligerbombs 98 2 thousand or whatever, it's okay to have an appreciation for the art of wrestling, but when you're the god damned commentator its unnecessary to say these things. Just sell us the damage that it's done and what the result of the damage is. God damn it.
Somebody save Uncle Dave from his mid life crisis so he can salvage a little bit of his dignity.
intervention time
AEW is dominating NXT and is creeping up on Raw and Smackdown. NWA is just about out of business but I’m supposed to think that Cornette has the pulse of the fans. AEW is givingfans what they want.
I love how this is opinion is all solely based on Meltzer’s own enjoyment. Any way you try to quantify this, it doesn’t hold up. Ratings? No. Merchandise? No. Tickets sold? No.