Film Bros Made Us Watch **FIGHT CLUB**
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- čas přidán 9. 09. 2024
- If you had to search “Fight Club ending explained” on Reddit or CZcams after watching the movie…don’t bother leaving a negative comment
▶︎ TESE
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▶︎ CHRISTINA
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Outro - Together (Prod. by Lukrembo)
blink 3 times if a pretentious boy who has a tarantino poster above his bed held you at gunpoint to make this video 😭
😐😑😐
well, it *is* one of the best movies ever made. So no surprise its got a pedestal-status with loads of people that hold strong emotional attachments for it.
@@HateMachinist I actually agree. David Fincher is a genius imo. That does not mean people should get called every single name in the book (there were even racist comments in the first video) if they don't like the movie. The least I can do is make fun of the film bros that think it's okay to forget basic human decency over other people's opinions 🥰
@@nathaliaalves8595 Just ignore it. Yeah, they went much too far, but I don't expect much else from the internet over the years. When we can't see who we're talking to in the eye, some solid layers of empathy are removed, and that aggressive rant or venting becomes much too tempting. Treat it like what it is: pixels on a monitor backed up by an overreaction to someone who prematurely dismissed something they deeply love.
Anything short of ignoring noisy comment-sections is a waste of time and effort. There are people out there that are worth attention. Making angry pixels appear on their monitors in return never change anything.
@@HateMachinist Intellect is not welcome here. Only emotion and feelings. ;)
The intro 🤣🤣. People were doing the most in those comments
They were shaking and crying because a teenage girl didn’t like a movie lol
-Tese
Frrr, the mossstt
@@TesexChristina
You are single, ha?
I am a female and I was pregnant with my first child when this was in the theaters. Loved it so much I named my so Tyler
not male siri reading the comments in the intro LMAOOOO
The way those boys were acting like you ruined their lives because you didn't like a movie 😭
NOT ALL THE COMMENTS BEING MEN... and pick me girls
I can't speak for anyone else, but the movie is just darkly hilarious with great art direction, cinematography, lighting, and especially the script. Maybe I'm a nut but it's seriously one of my favorite films because I'm cracking up or at least have a huge grin during most of it. It's not for everybody...
Yeah I don't view it as a film to flex on how smart or high-brow I am. I genuinely find it very entertaining and funny in its own way, while having interesting messages. Guess that gets me lumped into the pretentious "film bro" category though.
You need to read a Chuck Palahniuk book
Keep in mind that pre-social media, it was very difficult to find messages of rebellion and anti conformism, particularly in the mainstream. I think that's why this movie is so loved. For many, this was the first time they were told they didn't have to take part in what society was pushing on them.
Honestly, it would be funny to see you girls do more reactions to movies and shows that are way outside of your comfort zone. 😅
Oh wow that’s a really good point, I’m glad you enjoyed the video! I’ll keep this comment in mind ;)
- Christina xx
lmao i saw the like to dislike ratio and lord ppl were mad 💀💀 i have been binging y’all’s videos tho i love yall
Yeah the ratio was a bit mad lol. But that’s what the button is for! Thanks for watching!!
-Tese
Wow so disappointing that “the boyz” would get so angry that you don’t enjoy a mf MOVIE going as far as to bring race into it. Personally I love fight club but like who gives a shit if someone else doesn’t? As someone who wants to have a career in film, dude bros are literally THE WORST. If you like any movie other than Tarantino or David Fincher suddenly you have no taste. It’s to the point where I’m embarrassed to say I like this movie or other Tarantino films because I don’t want to be associated with toxic men. So sorry you were subjected to sexism and racism over one film.
Thank you!! It’s all good.
The fact that you are so ready to jump to conclusions about the unknown sex of commenters says a lot about your mental state. Get help.
The movie’s clever I guess but… that doesn’t make you dumb for not liking it? But the film bros are hilarious cuz they worship the film but dont even know the messaging isn’t about capitalism its toxic masculinity duh
It could be both tbh
Art can be interpreted in multiple ways. There is no one "correct" interpretation of a piece of art. As long as it can be thoroughly substantiated with reasoned arguments, any interpretation is valid. You trying to impose your personal interpretation of this movie as the only correct one while insulting those who have differing thoughts says more about you than about the movie.
I’m not surprised that some people harassed you guys for not thinking Fight Club was literally the best thing ever. Ngl, movies like Fight Club, Pulp Fiction, the Joker, and Wolf of Wallstreet all tend to attract some really crusty fans
“Crusty” lmaoooo
The title lmao. The comments were excessive af though, like it really wasn't that deep
And what films would you consider "deep?" You must be a genius level film critic. Or maybe just a white knight simp lol.
@@Th3Gam3925 Me saying "it wasn't that deep" literally had nothing to do with the movie itself lmao. I was talking about Tese and Christina's reaction to it and their opinions of the movie in their first video on it and the general reception they got due to it. Also I can't possibly be a "white knight simp" cause I'm not even white 💀
@@kid-ava The term "White Knight" doesn't refer to skin color. Why are you bringing race into this? lol
@@Th3Gam3925 Oh I always thought white knight was referring to white saviors until I just looked the actual definition of it. Still doesn't apply to me though since I'm not a man and I still mean everything I said in my first reply lol
@@kid-ava It's ok. Sorry we both misunderstood each other 😁
The “different races are different species” comment is so disturbing tbh. Imagine having the audacity to basically say they support eugenics over someone’s opinion of a movie. I hope the comments didn’t affect u guys mentally. Ya’ll are so funny and I really enjoy your content.
We really appreciate the concern but the comments really didn’t have an affect us. It was mainly second hand embarrassment for how sensitive they were over a movie lol
-Tese
I mean I think it's kinda silly to believe evolution only stopped at skin color but I do agree it's weird to have such a reaction like that to someone not liking a movie
As disgusting as the comment was it did not advocate eugenics. Stop lying, it was bad enough on it's own.
@@TheTurinturumbar that's what eugenics is..💀 so it does... get real.
@@Laura-sg6ss eugenics is about improving the genetics of a human population by excluding those deemed inferior. That wouldn't be an issue if they were different species, so no, that's not what eugenics is.
Not denying that the person probably is stupid enough to not know any of this and may well support the idea of eugenics, but as it was stated it was not eugenics.
The people in the comments 😭😭 they was rlly hurt over you not liking a movie????? BTW U BOTH ARE ALMOST TO 3K SUBS GIRLS CONGRATS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!
Fight Club is a VERY tricky movie. First, it is not a popcorn movie. It has a lot of things to say, and it can take several viewings to take it all in. And unfortunately, a LOT of guys don't bother trying to unpack everything. They only see the male power fantasy, and hear some bad ass phrases, and then they start acting like toxic assholes calling everyone they don't like a snowflake. And that hyper-masculinity can be VERY seductive, especially for men who haven't been successful in their lives. I'm a guy, and I look at Brad Pitt and wish I had the same body fat percentage, and wish I had the strength and confidence and machismo to get into a knockdown dragout fight and enjoy it. In today's western society, men get a lot of mixed messages about what a man should be. And when you're faced with a complicated situation, extremes are comforting. Fight Club shows two of those extremes: the sad, weak, wimpering mama's boy (Edward Norton) and the angry, reckless animal that has slipped off its leash (Brad Pit). The final moments of the film show a man who has taken those extremes and balanced them. He can be sensitive and kind (e.g., his interaction with Marla Singer after he shoots himself) without being weak, and he can be aggressive and even violent (e.g., fighting with Tyler Durden and shooting himself to kill Tyler), but he no longer needs that aggression and violence to convince himself that he's a man.
I look at Fight Club as one of the most important films I've ever seen in my life. But I don't expect anyone else to feel the same. And I think its unfortunate that so many people were unhappy with your first video.
Everyone enjoys having their ideas and feelings validated by other people. When other people like a thing for the same reasons you like that thing, you get that validation. It feels good when someone agrees with you. But there are a lot of people who confuse not getting validation for your feelings and beliefs with having your feelings and beliefs invalidated. They get to thinking that the other person is telling them that they are wrong to feel the way they do. They feel like their being attacked. And people who feel like they're being attacked tend to get very angry...
those comments,,, YIKES
I’m really really sorry you guys had to deal with that, people are allowed to have different opinions???
It’s all good! Thank you for the concern tho. The comments help with engagement so maybe I should be thanking them
-Tese
Fight club is about toxic masculinity and that is why it appeals more to us men and less to women. The movie actually goes deep into men's psyche and thus resonates alot with us men.
The first time I watched it I didn't know what toxic masculinity was and I also didn't think this movie was about it till I watched this reaction and it's so cool to figure it out cause it's an issue people need to tackle carefully but at the same time dont sugarcoat it
Toxic masculinity does not exist and the issue here is that you think it does. Stop spreading conspiracy theories and misinformation.
@@August-30047 you’re actually an insane, sexist
Imagine a man using the phrase "toxic masculinity" 🤣
(I liked your reaction to it more then the actual movie) don't tell "the boyz" I said that 😳
Don’t let them find this comment!!! Lol
-Tese
lesbian
@@Gianni.achillea aww don’t cry 🥰
If they were they’d get more girls than you do in your dreams no problem lmfao
Objectively speaking, it is one of the best movies ever made.
The actors performance, the lines, the shots chosen...all of it. The score, and how its applied in scenes like "Jacks smirking revenge" where he frames his boss, or "This is a chemical burn" where every shot of Norton is seen from above while Pitt from below deliberately illustrating domination. Or when "Jack" comes home to his condo and see all his furniture and personal effects scattered on the sidewalk-- the scene juxtapose Jack walking through the debris with images about the stove leaking gas that slowly fill the condo for days before the refrigerators compressor turned on. From details of Tyler flashing in single frames to the subtle hints that Tyler and Jack are the same person dropped more times than I can count. If you analyse Norton's interactions its often easy to see that he is deranged, but its always presented from his perspective, which makes it hard to notice. Every angle, stutter and detail is at all times deliberate. The movie is nothing short of a technical masterpiece.
Plotwise its also rock solid and universally entertaining. Subjectively however, I think much of it speaks to male instincts and how poorly they fit into modern society. What they need is a war or some sort of goal or challenge they can rise against. That way they can be tested and get the validation they crave through achievements, as opposed to working jobs they hate, to buy stuff they don't need, in order to impress people they might not even like. Fight Club becomes an alternative that somewhat fills this void.....before escalating into project mayhem which is literally terrorism, as a result of the MC's insanity.
And there you have it. A technical masterpiece, with great actors, humour, and solid plot with deep criticism of social issues around the consumer-lifestyle.
So I get why some people started whining when you didn't watch it through at first. But I'm glad you did, and it looks like you are too.
They just don't make movies like this anymore...
Notice the comments that are loved by them vs the ones that are not... Your male opinion is toxic fam ;)
Nobody is reading all this
@@nananoodle5020 I was bored.
“Objectively speaking”. Okay Mr. Shapiro an opinion is automatically subjective
@@maymaja9629 Are you doing the toxic femininity thing? First of all you called him "Mr."
Are you assuming gender? 😂Secondly, if you are going to insult someone, at least be correct. Not all opinions are subjective. For example, in my opinion the sun will come up tomorrow and you are trying to be a bully... Notice how only one of those is subjective?
so sorry y’all had to deal with that :( i understood why u guys didn’t feel like finishing it but anyway i hope ur videos start to reach a better audience! i can’t wait for future content!!
I like the movie and the book as it offers a lot of advice, one of my favorite quotes from Durden would have to be, "stop trying to control everything and just let go"
Fight club is a movie women tend to struggle with because it speaks to the primal urges of every man in the world. We desire purpose and violence to make us feel alive. This movie is the ultimate male fantasy, freedom through willing service to our base instincts. Every man feels like Edward Norton's character. Trapped in a life that is needlessly overcomplicated in a cycle of ownership that we never wanted. Every woman that I've had watch this didn't get it, every man I know did.
I couldn't have said it any better.
So now Im a man because this is in my top 3 favorite movie in all time and I freaking love it
According to the author of the book, this movie is about the male gender identity. When he wrote it, he lamented that women have plenty of stories about the female experience, but that there wasn't anything like that for men (while many movies are written "for" men, they aren't actually deconstructive in a way that explains why we think the way we do). Fight Club examines how the male identity is created by society and why so many men feel the need to both adhere to it and to rebel against it. The primary psychological term here is "precarious masculinity", which refers to how a person's "manliness" has always been beholden to the whimsy of the local culture (this has been true across the planet, across nearly all cultures, from before the Dark Ages to the present, both in the West and the East). That is, women are always women, but a man has to constantly perform "manly" feats (determined by society) to be considered a "real man". The fact that manliness is not a permanent aspect of a person, and that every day is therefore a fight for one's own identity... is what leads to toxic masculinity. It's one of the primary reasons men are always so "aggro".
This is also why men conscript themselves to military service and sign up for jobs that can get them killed -- the worst (aka best) case scenario is that, through their death and sacrifice, they get instant and eternal respect as a man, from both men and women. This is why men constitute 92% of workplace deaths, and why women get angry when that number goes down (a Canadian women's group tried to raise awareness about women's poor working conditions during the 2008 recession, but the percentage of women's deaths going up was only a consequence of men being unemployed and dying less).
Women constantly speak of toxic masculinity, but they are often unwilling to accept their role in its creation and maintenance (e.g. using terms like "real man", reinforcing the "precarious masculinity" dynamic). They also focus on "unattainable beauty standards", and demand that men spend the time to learn about what women have to face. But, like the author of Fight Club points out, there are very few instances (even in our patriarchy) where men express themselves in a way that's meant to communicate what it's like to be us, and what kinds of pressures we deal with. So, Fight Club is a rare case where men try to ask you to sympathize with them. The reason men felt attacked by your disinterest in this movie is because they felt you were disinterested in reciprocating the sympathy that's been demanded from them for a long time.
Not saying it's right or that their hate was appropriately measured (in a "punishment fits the crime" sort of way), but it is what it is. The other commenters here are confused, and unironically joking about how the haters are acting like you attacked them, but that's literally how they feel and it's kind of the point of the movie. The fact that you don't get the movie is why you should try to understand it.
Your mind is so dissolved into political conjecture that you don’t understand how real life works. You can’t distinguish between real life and rhetoric, which is something you need to work on. Toxic masculinity is made up and not actually substantiated by any real evidence. It’s a sexist conspiracy created by social scientist who had an axe to grind and didn’t know where to place the edge. It’s so ironic that you completely missed the entire point of the film, while demonstrating in your comment the level of insanity of the protagonist in the film. Go touch grass bud
@@NotMyFault2 I'm actually more on your side than you realize, but people are less willing to listen to what you have to say when you lead with insults and ignore the perspective of the person you're talking to. That is, you have to understand your audience if you legitimately want to change their mind. My approach here was intentionally placative to put them at ease rather than to trigger a flame war.
I am fully in agreement that toxic masculinity is just a superficial ad hoc explanation for a series of behaviors that are not clearly defined, and worse, are not properly distinguished from any other kind of masculinity (that is, all the traits that are claimed to be toxic are also in the claimant's list of "good masculinity" traits). And yes, this indicates that they actually do have a grudge against all masculinity. But, to the extent that some behaviors are clearly mal-adaptive, you can trace the roots of those behaviors to actual developmental psychology and investigate claims through actual clinical trials.
As I said above, the actual culprit is "precarious masculinity", which has a legitimate theoretical basis (unlike toxic masculinity). Like any good scientific theory, it is actually falsifiable and makes valid predictions, as the studies indicate. For example, they accurately predicted that men would be more physically aggressive during exercise after braiding a girl's hair versus braiding a sailor's chord of rope -- both are physically the same activity, but the mere association with feminine activities made the men in the first group overcompensate during subsequent physical exercise.
And unlike toxic masculinity, precarious masculinity actually poses more difficult problems in terms of "fixing" it. That is, you can't just yell at men and publish PSAs and billboards and expect things to get better. It turns out that all of society relies on our current structure. Destabilize it, and you destabilize society. There are ramifications that feminists haven't even begun to fathom because they don't actually understand how society operates.
Please read the actual literature here (trying to bypass CZcams's non-YT link-blocking algorithms):
world wide web: apa (dot) org / pubs / journals / features / men-a0029826 (dot) pdf
> "It’s so ironic that you completely missed the entire point of the film"
I actually didn't. I was referencing actual interviews with the author where he explained what his story was about. He's been on Joe Rogan's podcast, as well as a host of other shows.
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@@extantsanity I didn't ignore your perspective I mocked it. And your approach absolutely sucks. Placating people spreading dumb conspiracies rather than challenging them does no one any good at all except for the ego of the presenter. I am not interested.
To start with, what you are attempting to discuss is precarious "manhood" and not masculinity. There is a difference here. Second, precarious manhood is only a THEORY. It has been criticized by psychologists who aren't knee-deep in feminist rhetoric and gender theory. PM ignores everything else surrounding someone and attempts to view said someone's behavior only through the lens of gender. This is HIGHLY contested within psychology and the other social sciences. It is not as widely accepted as you are making it seem. Also no sh*t that certain maladaptive behaviors can be learned. This isn't some big revelation, and both MEN AND WOMEN can and do learn maladaptive beheviors. It's not just men whom are vulnerable to learning maladaptive behavior.
The braiding you example you gave is a literal joke of an example. Not only does it not prove anything, but it's also unintentionally hilarious. If you seriously believe that a normal man would just overcompensate because they partook in some activity that is perceived by others as feminine then it only further proves to me that your thought-process is bad. What exactly is there to "fix" about manhood? And do me a favor, don't conflate pathological behavior and masculine behavior. That is getting old and is a dead meme.
I have seen the interviews with Chuck Palahniuk, and I know what he said. I also know exactly what he DIDN'T say, which is the point I made.You are mischaracterizing what he said in order to prove a point. He never said this book is about the male gender identity, nor did he define male gender identity at any point. He did say that men often are neglected and ignored to a detrimental point in our societies. However, he did not write Fight Club FOR SYMPATHY. This is just what you wanted to hear and not what he actually said. Nor did mEN "attack" these two, as if you know every commenter's sex/gender. You also don't know what an attack is. What happened here is people criticized them for their stupidity and they got mad about it and decided to cry on the internet.
I worded my post the way I did because your reasoning is absurd. Men don't CONSCRIPT themselves to the military to be viewed as masculine. Even in your own sentence you have no idea that your are making a paradoxical statement. e.g. military conscription is MANDATORY. You have no idea what you are talking about here and that's why I said you need to go outside and experience reality. Men don't sign up for jobs that can get them killed due to societal pressure. This is pure conjecture on your behalf and from my perspective it's because you are ignorant and have not dealt with men. There is a risk/reward ratio that comes along with the territory of work. The higher paying jobs require you to take on MORE RISK. It is that simple. Again, you completely missed the point of the entire video. Perhaps consider the fact that the main character IS SUFFERING FROM A MENTAL ILLNESS.
Also, I encourage you to gain a healthier perspective of men in general. Yeah men have done bad things, but they also have done wonderful things. Like BUILD THE WORLD we live in today.
@@NotMyFault2 > "is only a THEORY"
Facepalm. Want to try that again? Please tell me you have even a basic comprehension of what science is for (hint: it's to create theories. Facts are the world's data, theories are the ideas that make sense of them)
> "It has been criticized by psychologists who aren't knee-deep in feminist rhetoric and gender theory"
Every theory is criticized, it's part of the peer review process. If you want to show that it's been discredited, then show me where, by whom, and what the prevailing (i.e. better) theory is. We already know that general relativity and quantum mechanics are incompatible. We've kept them around because we have no viable alternatives. So what's your alternative?
You also keep talking about PM like it supports feminist theory. It's the opposite. The ramification of PM theory is a debunking of the notions that (1) men do bad things because men are bad and (2) you can fix them with dumb PSAs and corny slogans. These ideas are both false, and PM explains why. PM also explains the military-industrial complex, toxic masculinity does not. PM explains why men work so much overtime, toxic masculinity does not. Handing out participation trophies and letting boys wear dresses does not get skyscrapers built; PM does. I promote PM because it debunks feminists and their dumb solutions that would actually hinder society.
> "This isn't some big revelation, and both MEN AND WOMEN can and do learn maladaptive beheviors. It's not just men whom are vulnerable to learning maladaptive behavior."
When did I say only men do bad things or have maladaptive behaviors? Saying "men die of testicular cancer more than women" is not a promotion of being female. Women get breast cancer more often than men. Why did I not talk about breast cancer in my TED talk on testicular cancer? Because it was beyond the scope of my topic. Jesus. Yes, women have their own problems, testicular cancer just isn't one of them. Context, buddy, context.
PM only affects men because womanhood isn't precarious. Once a woman achieves adulthood, they're considered a woman once and for always. That doesn't mean they don't have problems.
> "If you seriously believe that a normal man would just overcompensate because they partook in some activity that is perceived by others as feminine then it only further proves to me that your thought-process is bad."
That was clinical data. They showed it to be the case across the sample they used. Perform your own study, find your own "normal" men on which to perform the same experiment, and see if you come up with different data. You don't beat bad science with conjecture (or argument from incredulity), you beat it with better science.
> "However, he did not write Fight Club FOR SYMPATHY"
He literally said that women had a dozen movies about the female experience and that men had no equivalent "Sisterhood of the Ya-Ya Traveling Pants or whatever". He said he wrote Fight Club to fill that gap. If you don't consider that to be a lamentation for the lack of sympathy for the male experience, I don't know what to tell you. Read more?
> "e.g. military conscription is MANDATORY...and that's why I said you need to go outside and experience reality."
Are you old enough to vote? Because if you've voted, you agreed to be part of the Selective Service program. Selective Service is where you're put on a list, so that if WW3 breaks out, you get drafted into the military. Against your will. Women don't have to do that and Americans are generally against it being used for women. If you want to quibble about the voluntary nature of voting, then fine, but you'd be splitting hairs. You had to choose between not exercising your right to vote, or being part of a system where you no longer have a say in whether you're pulled into the military or not. But women didn't have to make that choice because it wasn't forced on them.
> "from my perspective it's because you are ignorant and have not dealt with men."
Dude, I am a dude. I also served on ballistic missile submarines before women were allowed on them. You'll never see a more male-centric place of work in your life. We spend months at sea. There are 24 missile tubes on a trident submarine; 24 days before returning to port, we post pictures of women from magazines (one day at a time, as a countdown) on the outer missile walls just to remind ourselves what women look like. Maybe you should get out more so you can experience the uncomfortable extremes of life -- go talk to a recruiter and see the world from a military perspective. Then you can see how men deal with daily reminders of death, sleeping between missiles designed to end civilization.
> "There is a risk/reward ratio that comes along with the territory of work"
Hah. Again, you need to get out more. You realize that when you're underwater for 3-4 months at a time, you're at work 24/7, right? When you're doing Vulcan Death Watches and literally not sleeping between Monday and Wednesday (72 hrs) because you're pretending to stop nuclear plant casualties on Monday and Tuesday, and then pretending to stop fires and floods on Wednesday and Thursday, and pretending to launch missiles on Friday... you do the math and tell me if the salary divided by the hours worked per day (24 out of 24 for a 3-day run, plus 20/day the rest of the week) equates to a beneficial risk-reward ratio that competitively motivates people to perpetuate the job set/type (spoiler alert: if you're going by hours worked, we're well below minimum wage for a highly diversified and technical skillset of boiling water via nuclear fission and all the hardware maintenance that entails).
> "Also, I encourage you to gain a healthier perspective of men in general. Yeah men have done bad things, but they also have done wonderful things"
Bro, you're totally barking up the wrong tree, here. I don't have a negative view of men at all. I am proud of who I am, what I've done, and what we've accomplished as a species. You're acting like the acknowledgement of anything bad, at any level, is a total condemnation of the entire practice. I can be critical of cheating in sports without being critical of sports in general. I can point to the darker side of competition without saying the Olympics are a bad idea.
> "Like BUILD THE WORLD we live in today"
Bruh. Bruh. I already literally told you that if we changed the way that we raised men right now, we'd be destabilizing civilization. DE-stabilizing it. I was defending how we raise men BECAUSE we built the world we live in today. Please improve your reading comprehension skills. PM is how we got skyscrapers and satellites; it clearly stands to reason that eliminating PM would have a negative impact on industry and all the things that keep civilization going.
You're talking about me being so up my ass about a certain mindset... when the reality is that you're blowing this all way out of proportion and acting like I'm a feminist because I'm convinced by an argument THAT DEBUNKS TOXIC MASCULINITY. Jesus christ, dude.
Calm down. I'm not the pink-haired lesbian you keep making me out to be. I spend most of my time arguing with those folks, so it's hilarious you think you need to improve my outlook on men while I'm here defending us and our upbringing. My point to these ladies is that PM is a double-edged sword -- my argument to you is the same, for the same reason, from the opposite perspective. And I'm telling you both that we haven't figured out a safe way to live without it.
@@NotMyFault2 If it's easier for you, you can forget everything we've said thus far. You've got me all wrong, so let me explain my position like so:
Genes that aren't selfish don't survive, and don't get replicated.
Organisms that aren't selfish don't protect their genes.
Species that aren't selfish don't protect their organisms.
Organisms, by and large, are selfish because they have to be. Mechanisms of altruism can pop up, though, when it serves the greater good for the species.
Precarious masculinity is an ingenious manipulation of human psychology by making men think of themselves more as an idea (e.g. "the man, the myth, the legend") than as a biological entity (e.g. "the Dave who poops irregularly") -- thus, while there is 100% overlap MOST of the time, men can still fight for the preservation of the idea of themselves in place of their actual selves when their disposability/sacrifice is needed by society. In that way, they can be both self-affirming and act in their own interest when they're the only one affected (e.g. competition for a pay raise), and ALSO act altruistically when people other than themselves are affected (e.g. becoming the "protector" during war). So a "heroic" action is one that is done to help others, while the self-preservation instinct is suppressed/satisfied by the preservation of the ego.
In the MCU, Captain America was the bravest of the soldiers, willing to jump on the dummy grenade (while everyone else cowered) because he believed in the greater good, and had already internalized his own disposability as a human being. He wasn't _trying_ to throw his life away; his self-preservation was simply re-directed at the idea of himself and his ideals over his physical self. He's not motivated by suicide, but he'll go on a "suicide mission" if it preserves his sense of self (in the esoteric sense).
We celebrate Iron Man at the end of Endgame because he finally did what Captain America told him he'd never do -- lay his life on the line for someone else. But Tony Stark also realized that he could immortalize himself with his iconic words, "I am Iron Man", so that he could do what was needed for everyone else to survive.
PM is a brilliant survival strategy for us as a species. And we don't apply it to women because the human gestation period is insanely long (and women can only carry a limited number of humans to term at a time), so we can't afford to lose them at the rate we can lose men (who produce millions of sperm per day).
Tony's willingness to sacrifice himself is not a condemnation of manhood -- it's a celebration of it.
(PM is the psychological trick of how we achieve and maintain that reverence)
(And yes, Black Widow died in the same movie -- but she achieved the non-gendered "hero" status without winning a title of "the woman" in the same way that Tony became "the man"; again, this is because this kind of sacrifice is not expected for the achievement of womanhood -- she won that back during puberty)
Jesus! I was going to leave a comment saying you should go back to it because it's not the movie you think it's going to be, but in retrospect I'm glad not to have been part of that torrent. Absolutely wild how people think liking a film gives you the cheat codes for being clever.
A comment telling us to “go back and watch the film” would have been perfectly fine! I’m just not a huge fan of racism or misogyny. But that’s just me!
-Tese
Imagine getting so unironically angry over people not liking a movie, "the boys" were being snowflakes lmao, you two are great, I've been watching you for a while and you're so much fun!
Thank you so much!! We have fun here
the way these men got mad at you for not liking a movie that is so clearly written for men is baffling
mr Han Man wow that was pretentious lol. Keep in mind people can have *different* tastes and not liking things that you may like doesn't mean someone has bad taste. Do remember that your interests are specific to you based on who you are and your life experiences and don't apply to everyone else. Imagine how boring life would be if everyone liked the same things?
Also, liking a movie doesn't necessarily make you smart, it's a movie.
yall are funny as helllll LMAO. almost at 3k subs lets go!
THE TITLE LMAOO💀
Yous are funny asf btw
Thank you lolll
Im sorry u guys got so much hate for the previous video😭 but its great that u both still gave it a chance (also im grateful for captions thankyou!!)
LMFAO im still dead over all the pressed ppl in the last vid, likeee chile and that Georgia L person commenting over 3 times, big fan
love this video, girls!!!
Thank you so much!!!
the description has me dying😭😭
Those comments are the equivalent to spammers mysteriously getting a link to a zoom meeting and then acting an ass and causing chaos 😂
I like it because i always think of it as a gay love story. Like the narrator loves tyler. He learns to love himself
This is the best thing I’ve ever read
-Tese
Well, the author is gay. And there is plenty of implied homoeroticism. eg like the post-coital vibe after they first fight, sitting on the sidewalk smoking a cigarette, and so on.
But that isn't the story. Because that isn't something the vast majority of men can relate to or want to relate to. And it's also rather annoying to have male friendships always having homosexual implications attached to them.
The narrator isn't in love with Tyler, he wants to be Tyler. He's a manifestation of everything he wants to be. Or thinks he wants to be. Informed by the consumer culture he thinks he's rebelling against. It's supposed to be ironic. Exemplified by the scene where he and Tyler make fun of the underwear model. Tyler looks like a fucking underwear model. Or when he's giving his monologue about men being told they're going to grow up to be movie stars and rock Gods-- again, this is Brad fucking Pitt delivering this line, in uber-peak physical shape, stood next to Jared fucking Leto.
“too many men” when this entire movies plot is based around a woman and she’s the reason why everything happens💀💀💀
Its homoerotic
You guys are so funny, people were so pressed omg 💀💀💀keep doing what you are doing, I hope you reach 3k subscribers soon!
Thank you so much!!
Critical thought is lost on these man hating busters
wahmen
Even though you ladies didn't particularly like the movie i'm glad you finished the reaction😊✌️
This film was made during a particularly good decade of film. This was the best film of that decade. Perfect script, acting and especially directing. Truly amazing.
"My eyes are open."
Best. Character development. Ever.
If you're going to have an opinion on something might as well watch the whole thing so you could at least have a nuanced opinion
And that’s what we did in this video so where do we go from here?
@@TesexChristina yes you did and that takes strength not a lot of people are ever willing to admit when they didn't give something a chance
congrats on the 2k subs. y'all are almost at 3k and I'm happy that this community is growing ☺❤
Thank you so much!!! We’re so excited to grow with you guys
What I love is The Twist. Then repeat viewings.
I've had crazy comments over not believing what others believe or agreeing to whatever their opinions are. They have their opinions. You got yours. I'd probably listen to yours over there's lol
I like this movie but people need to chill LOL
The film was too clever for them, it bounced off their thick skulls 😂
is that something they added later into the dvd version? cause i so dont remember any "flashes". granted i watched this film ONCE 20 years ago so...........
So proud of y'alls growth!! I can say that I was here since 200 subscribers😄. Love u guys💕
An OG!
I don't view Fight Club as a film to flex on how smart or high-brow I am. I genuinely find it very entertaining and funny in its own way, while having interesting messages. It can be frustrating when a film goes over people's heads a bit "Why isn't it more action-packed" and people who express that (without going racial or sexist) shouldn't be labelled as pretentious film bros right away.
I feel like the movie was a puzzle tho or kinda like a murder mystery movie probably why I thought it was so cool and wanted to rewatch it
@@August-30047 There's that part of it too. Just hate that any fan of it gets lumped into pretentious "film bro" territory.
Film bros ruined a lot of movies for me! they can't just shut up and let other ppl enjoy (or not) things. Every Tarantino movie some guy managed to ruin for me, we honestly can't have shit 💀💀
Also, this movie is really overrated, they be acting all big brain and FOR WHAT??? mad corny, head empty
NOT THE “mad corny” IM SCREAMING HAHAHAHA I LOVE THIS COMMENT
- Christina xx
I love this film because the more you watch it, the more things you will pick up on. Symbolism all over the background, clues in dialogue, etc
Look personally I disagree with y’all’s opinion on the movie. But that doesn’t mean I’m gonna sit here and disrespect you for it! Y’all seem very lovely and you have gained a new subscriber! Cheers!
I haven’t watched this film in a while but kuddos to catching all those flashes in the beginning. I didnt even realize there was so many until this reaction.
If you don't like it's because u don't understand it 💀
Men! Am I right?
I absolutely love this movie. It's probably in my top five favorite. It has a killer message, actually several killer messages. It's philosophical, it's witty, it's well shot, it's well acted. It has one of the coolest twists of any movie, and it's even better the more times you watch it. I can't think of a bad thing about this movie. It was a big eye opener for me as a young man. Probably one of the reasons I am non-conformist. Glad y'all decided to watch it. And it sucks you got so much hate the first go around
most cult classic are targeted towards men, as the film industry is well known to be predominantly worked by men!!! a lot of people get mad for women not liking cult classics, but you can’t blame us if the film involves concepts we’ve never experienced personally (ex, toxic masculinity)
i do wish more films directed/written by women had the title of "cult classic", but as said before the film industry is crowded with men and when a movie that teen girls love comes out, it’s labeled differently by film critics :/ i just wish we’d have more movies viewed as classics created for the female gaze
Definitely! So well worded
Then tell women to go make more and better movies. Don't blame men for being good at something.
ignoring the context right, yall are so pretty and i love christinas hair shortt
This is one of my favourite films. I still think your commentary was very good despite your opposing views. I personally love this film because I adore the direction of David Flincher, the cinematography, the acting, the story, the attention to detail setting up the twist, and the themes explored. I understand your point on how cliché and extremely anti-capitalist Tyler is but i see that as the whole point. He is the most extreme and deep views of the narrator personified. On the surface level, this film is about a group of men numb to life striving to feel something. Anything. The way I see it, the fighting is just a very cut, dry and universal way of showing men releasing their innermost feelings because in reality, we all have our own ways of venting. My take aways from this film are the following: 'with such a disassociation from reality, can one really claim responsibility within oneself for the actions committed?' And 'why be afraid to die?' It is the only thing guaranteed in this life and I think the sooner you can come to terms with this, the more you can get out of life.
AND NOW…watch the film for a THIRD time and a guarantee you will see everything so much differently!!!! You will see all the clues you missed.
It’s like Blackswan. Y’all should watch that next.
That into oh my god 😂
Those comments 😧 ... it's not that deep 😂😂😂😂
I find it interesting. That dudes pov is interesting maybe both. And all the weird stuff. You know something is up but don't know quite yet til the twist. After knowing twist you can research and catch the clues you missed. Some you might have gotten before but in rewatches you get more and more out of it. I'd love to see the version where its from everyone else pov what they seeing him do lol. It'd just be the one guy though but still be cool. Especially everyone reactions to him talking to himself but he's talking to Tyler lol. This is kinda a smart movie low key. I like movies like this with twists that are hinted at earlier by clues and hints that you see but don't understand completely til twist revealed lol. Not going to make you feel good but there's some lessons you can gleam from this like not worrying about being perfect, who cares what others think about you, and not to beat yourself up like this guy likes to do. Probably more cause there's so many quotes people like to use from this movie lol. You guys probably already know all these lessons lol cause you guys are really smart more than they think you are lol. Way more.lol
I was thinking the same thing with wanting to see this story from the rest of the character’s point of views. Thank you so much for the interesting comment!
- Christina xx
Yess that's would be epic
Loved the review! Absolutely HI-LARIOUS :) Idk if you guys take suggestions but if you do, can you consider reviewing "She's the Man"?
Thank you so much!!! Also, it’s on the list! She’s The Man is like our favorite “chick flick”
-Tese
No reason for any nasty comments you guys are funny af lol
I don’t know how you can NOT like this movie, the plot, acting, cinematography… perfection. In my opinion that is. I’m not so unhinged that I’m going to hate on people just because they don’t like it 😂
Reset debt to zero isnt as great as it sounds - Mr Robot showed that
LOOL film bros can stay mad
Read the books... Chuck Palahniuk did FC2 and FC3 as graphic novels after the first FC book. Project mayhem gets crazy.
Iliterally have read the book over 300 times, i have seen the movie over 200k plus..fight club means what you need it to mean
200 not 200k
you should review selah and the spades but you might need to watch that twice too tbh
We’ve actually watched that movie so we’ll keep that in mind....
The clip with Jazz had me lmao
It's good that you actually finished the movie. The reason Fight Club is one of the best movies to rewatch is because the movie is chock full of hints throughout the entire movie that you will have missed, but notice it on additional watches. I connected new things even on the 5th watch. Now there is a generational context difference as the 90s had a lot of darker/grunge humor/tone to things. I do agree that regardless of how you felt & how many of us fans disagree with you, it did not justify some commenters to make racist remarks. Just a lesson to not judge so hastily (including the 1st time you tried to watch fight club). I mean hasty judgement (prejudice) is basically what racism is based off of.
What I got from this movie? DONT TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB.
The movie is about contradictions in addition to exploring the madness of "Jack" the narrator. He criticises capitalism for dehumanisation whilst he creates a terroristo cult that does the same thing in a different way.
"Please tell us why you love this movie!"
"I don't see how there can possibly be a plot twist!"
That's what happens when you bail out early!
It's OK not to like it... but if you're going post a REACTION video, *you gotta watch the whole thing.*
Even if it is a hate-watch and you just rag on it the whole time - That's OK, that's still a "reaction." You guys are funny, it's entertaining to watch you react whether you like the movie or not.
RE: gay subtext and dude-bro fans: Chuck Palahniuck who wrote the novel this is based on is gay. There are a lot of dude-bros who are fans of this movie that miss the point which you stated so eloquently: "wiping out debt WOULD be good, capitalism DOES suck, but nihilistic juvenile vandalism isn't the solution" This is THE movie about toxic masculinity, but ultimately, it's a critique of it, not a celebration.
One of the best (dark) comedy I ever seen, laughing so loud everytime !!!!
You girls are too sweet for this film.
*stupid
Good job finishing the movie and working outside your comfort zone a little. Ignore the hate, you don't have to love it but you gave it a try. Thanks
14:44 Because the things you own, end up owning you.
I see why all the hate comments. Like for this, you obviously watched it before, like 3 times you let it slip, then pretend
I love this movie because it made me realize that I don't have to do what society or parents expect me to do
23:29 lol i totally get how you'd think that, but really it is a feel good kinda thing, but like in an angry kinda way if they makes any sense.
14:55 It reminds me to be aware, Every day, that someday I'm going to die, so make the most out of right now.
Fun fact: Edward Norton's character name is The Narrator
Tyler's laugh is even more disturbing than the Joker in The Dark Knight.
my two favorite women I’m obsessed
Wow are you guys sisters? Great funny video lol.
Yes, we r sisters!!
Sorry you got so much hate, I didn't enjoy the film when i watched it. I got what it was about but it wasn't for me....why isn't that okay?
if anyone is going to watch this movie for theirself after watching the react. please keep in mind that this is a movie about men for men. Im not saying that you cant watch it if your not male but keep in mind that the tracket audience of this movie are men. "My classic thing is that there are so few social model novels or stories for men for women you know every season there's a new Joy Luck Club I knew how to make an American quilt a new traveling Sisterhood of the yaja pants or whatever just all these different models in which women can come together and talk about their lives and if you're a man you've got either Fight Club or you have the Dead Poets Society and that is really it so we don't have a lot of narratives that that depict two men a role or a kind of script in which to come together and talk about their shed" - Chuck Palahniuk author of fight club.
Don't listen to anyone. That's why there's a lot of movie genres for everybody.
Yes! Fight Club is a clasic pop culture movie and it defined a generation but some movies are just not for everyone.
That's how art works, so don't let comments bother you.
Fuck them 🤙🏼🤙🏼
The unreal is more powerful than the real. Because nothing is as perfect as you can imagine it. Because its only intangible ideas, concepts, beliefs, fantasies that last. Stone crumbles. Wood rots. People, well, they die. But things as fragile as a thought, a dream, a legend, they can go on and on. If you can change the way people think. The way they see themselves. The way they see the world. You can change the way people live their lives. That's the only lasting thing you can create.
Eek those comments...
Fight Club is genuinely one of my favourite movies of all time, first watch to the hundredth, I _always_ enjoy this movie.
Its got it all imo, but that doesn't mean I see the point in dragging others who clearly have a differential opinion. 😌
i watched it while thinking it was literally just going to be a fight movie, like just an action movie or whatever. was mind fucked first watch and loved it every since, and brad pitt is hot. still haven't found a film that made me feel like the way fight club made me feel. xd
I don't think either of you actually listened to the movie or understood anything that was going on. Every point and message, no matter how clear, you missed.
hate to break it to you guys but its not pee in the clam chowder 🥴 hilarious commentary as always tho x
Girl….what is it…
-Tese
@@TesexChristina I mean he does pee in another kind of soup but in the chowder it’s defs *word that rhymes with perm*
@@adellas9122 EWWWW no plz no im begging🙏😞😭
Omg...
just listen to mother wendy: grab a snack and come on back lol. food makes everything watchable. i for one look at my food when im eating so..............:)
I love this film but if you guys don't like it ..... that's ok.