Modern metal is all the same
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- čas přidán 7. 08. 2024
- 0:00-0:15 intro
0:15-05:10 Kagemaro
5:10-9:08 Solar
9:08-12:55 greater danger
12:55-16:35 south star
16:35-20:20 inflexion
20:20-22:33 shred 93
22:33-26:20 march of drones
26:20-28:20 cosmophobe
28:20-31:25 Insurgent
31:30- 32:30 Jameson
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Solar - Not Found guy here. Uploaded the full song on my channel!
Bruh
your song was awsome
Lesgoo
It's a textbook djent song but it actually sounds good :)
uploaD IT on spotify bro
"Sounds like I'm in a room" - Rudy, who, in fact, is in a room.
Yeah, that was pretty meta and sorta deep like.
"I don't hate" - Rudy's highest form of compliment.
and in 2nd place "I didn't want to die."
i read it same time as he said it
You're wrong... He actually said "this is beautiful" to the second song hahaha.
Modern prog is the essence of "each part of this sounds really good but I'm never gonna play this song in my free time again"
i just gotta listen for the both of us then, cant get enough of prog/tech/math
"Prog" kind of sucks nowadays. Gotta look for "progressive" music instead.
@@Tanya-xs8zt If only your taste in music was as good as your ability to lead mage battalions....
I can’t keep track of how many times I’ve heard a song and been like “Wow this song had so many great parts. Too bad I can’t remember any of them because it was so bloody complicated.” And then half the time I just never even listen to it again. People think that a song is suddenly “sellout pop garbage” just because it’s easily digestible and has structure. So sad.
@@chilloutloops9916 the only person insulting other people's taste is you and the uploader who seems to have a seething hatred for metal, you can listen to whatever you enjoy my man , the issue is that this fuck ass content creator using these roasts to shittalk a genre he clearly does not know anything about beyond surface level djent bands that were considered boring derivative shit 5 years ago. also, complicated compositions and structure can exist within the same track, just because it's not chorus verse chorus verse ad nauseam it does not mean that there is no structure you just aren't used to it, shit takes some ear training to appreciate. if it's not your thing that's totally fine by me just chill with the narrow minded assumptions that's all thanks for reading my blog post
The "sophistication through simplification" line was spot on lol. Has prog gone so full circle that its now just normal hard rock? Lol
He went full Chopin
It is. At this point they are doing Clapton like riffs.
Sophistication through simplification is still prevalent in Black Metal. Some bands can still sound fresh while still being conventional or traditional
Jesus the good true sovereign lord cares for you my friends
may you trust in Jesus, who's word is proven true time and time again 😊
the South Star feels like a compilation of intros but the song never starts
Bro why cant you consolidate this in one big comment💀
@@RudyAyoub I thought I was watching a livestream for some reason. Sorry too much wine 🍷
@@ChadMojito damn bro
With retrospect I understand now. It's because of the notification.
@@ChadMojito you do you, more comments, more engagement for the channel so Rudy should be happy about it lol
The way you describe what you hear is super insightful. As both a passionate music lover and composer, your phrasing helps put into words a lot of abstract concepts that I know I'm hearing, but didn't have an effective way to describe them. The way you talk about musical conversations is enlightening.
Was waiting for the unsuscribed
Whats the process to get into these vids?
Gotta agree with JF9 here. As someone who is currently educating themselves musically, it's a reason to go back to these videos and watch them more than once. Hell after this series ends, it'd be cool if we could get more educational content like this.
Side note, these videos are all hilarious. Thanks for sharing your pain.
@@HeavyRaiden gg
boo
"Putting a bunch of riffs together doesn't make a cohesive song." I always remember a guitar clinic I saw with John Browne speaking about how a song needs to develop. Take me on a journey that makes sense. Start me somewhere. Develop that somewhere out to more intricacy without divesting too far from it. Once you develop that concept to a climactic point, take me back to where we came from. Remind me how we got here. Your song needs to have a heart or its dead to me.
"Take me back to where we came from, remind me how we got here"
Well fucking said. This is something the Romantic era composers mastered.
@@darionbuck8864 This is very important. I remember when DT released their first album after Mike Portnoy left, and it was really clear why they needed his influence on the songwriting process, even if they found him overbearing.
All the longer songs on that album had the same problem - when they went off on their instrumental sections, it was so tangentical that i would find myself zoning out, then zoning back in and wondering how the hell the song had reached this point. Prior to Portnoy's departure, you could listen to the first minute of almost any track, skip ahead to any point, and be able to see how it relates back to what was established in that first minute.
Prog is about exploration and development of a song's core idea, not just constantly progressing from one idea into another, completely unrelated idea.
See, it's definitely possible to throw in whatever riffs.
The key is transitions.
As you're able to transition from one to the other thing having it make sense then it's all good.
I totally feel you on stoner rock and doom being a genre in which a lot of bands still give enough fucks to make interesting and inovating songs
@@alexandremouriz5767 Got any stoner rock recommendations? I'm an old school metalhead, but the genre feels mostly dead right now.
With a few notable exceptions such as Gojira, metal bands nowadays feel like they are robots who strive only for technical precision, and if they want to seem thoughtful, they open up the Tesseract guide to sounding introspective via reverb.
I hate the modern bedroom """""producer""""" era we are in, so many resources for amazing tones and mixing on the cheap but no inspiration, everyone still copying 2013 djent bands.
Yeah and those artificial machinegun-like drums in each of them
I think its also a problem in other genres, not only on metal, like, you have this DAW and plugins that can make any possible sound imaginable and people just stick with copying someones sound without adding anything to it
@@nikitahichoii482 I won't even start talking about the gentrification of rap and trap as I saw it first hand when I went pro and had to do these too 😬 they make the djent copycats look like pioneers.
That's why they're bedroom producer
It's normal. We play what we grown up with. Things change too, but it's all happening smoothly.
Dude this was exhausting. I really appreciated your points on each song. I don’t know why you subject yourself to this torture, but thanks for helping me put my finger on why I hate most stuff that’s coming out.
Carbomb!!!
Same. We live in a world of informational pollution where you need to search for gems in a huge pile of poop
All my homies on the meta grind
He's not the hero we need, he's the hero we deserve, because we're all trash.
Your spirits seem to be scattered
00:19 - local vocalist deosn't show up to the gig
05:26 - literally every djent band
09:17 - parkway drive wanna be
13:19 - chuggs4days
17:27 - whatever
20:42 - unmixed.mp4
23:04 - my first blender project
26:27 - the faceless sued us once
28:50 - jinjer with only clean vocals
31:36 - there was an attempt
Immediately skipped the 4th bc of tone. That was some rough stuff …
Every name you came up with is legit tho 👌🏼
my first blender project
im deceased
Insurgent is actually decent tho
Cosmophobe i felt like had more jinjer instrumentation
Totally nailed me on the first blender project thing! hahaha, it was.
All fair critiques! Send those vocals over ;)
Love that main riff! Is Co Shu Nie one of your influences?
i really liked both solos, the tones there were very nice
I really dig your song. Rudy is an unnecessary douchebag through most of his critique to be honest, but I guess that's his brand.
@@brycewalburn3926 Rudy's pretty mean but he wasn't wrong or anything. The song didn't have enough of a story or through line, partially due to the lack of vocals but more-so because of the focus of the song being on the mood and genre it inhabited. They're clearly really technically solid, but as a debut song it establishes little to no identity. If the song were mixed into a playlist with a bunch of other contemporary songs you wouldn't be able to pin it from the others. The reason Rudy's so rude (fml I don't know how to say this without making the fucking pun or repeating myself) is because that's the only way for the series to be entertaining, especially when most of the criticisms he can level are mistakes made 100 times before on the series.
@@shinichikuda Totally had the same vibe, like this wouldn't be out of place in the Tokyo Ghoul re soundtrack.
You know it's really djent when the singer yells MISERAY
HOW IS THIS COMMENT FROM ONE DAY AGO IF THE VIDEO HAS BEEN PUBLISHED 10 MINUTES AGO🤯🤯🤯
@@MannyFioretti I pay Rudy to see his videos in early access
@@ChadMojito Illuminati confirmed
@@MannyFioretti yeah I'm very confused right now.
@@ChadMojito i wish i could pay rudy to never see his videos on my feed
When he starts criticizing and ends every line with "bro."
I felt that.
I'm so happy this exists. Do these forever Rudy. Until modern prog stops the monotony.
Stop thinking discount Tesseract and animals as leaders copies are progressive. Listen to bands that have actually toured and have gotten in person feedback. Go ahead, you can find good actually progressive bands if you look. Sterile incoherent djent noodlers are "prog" but aren't progressive. What these "prog" bands lack is atmosphere. Songs need to make you feel like you aren't sitting in a chair with headphones. Try Leprous, Cog, The Mars Volta, The Ocean Collective, Night Verses, Black Crown Initiate, Cult of Luna, Dvne, Twelve Foot Ninja, Intronaut, Mastodon, Soen, Latitudes, Cynic. To name a few.
If someone asks me why I don't care about Djent and Core, I'll show them this video.
Pretty much
Okay but when working out meshuggah fucking slaps
@@memicusdankis4212 Meshuggah always slaps same with After the Burial
@@memicusdankis4212 Meshuggah is the one exception to the rule for Djent. Most djent bands have absurdly clear tones, to the point where its as sterile as an operating theatre. They want people to know just how much time they spent quantising the riffs with Melodyne.
Meshuggah's riffs are nasty and dirty sounding, full of attitude like metal should be.
@Patridge Yea nah they are Djent as fuck. They spawned a genre and remain at the top of it because everyone's admittedly just copying them, like thrash bands with Metallica and Slayer.
somehow metal got to this point where technical proficiency is more important than cohesive composition. the only examples i can think of that either favor composition or strike a nice balance between both things are mostly in doom/stoner metal (probably because listening to that much black sabbath taught them to actually give a fuck about songwriting), crossover thrash, some death/black metal, basically outside of prog. the first and best prog bands were listening to everything they could get their hands on, modern prog is just trying to imitate older prog, it pays way too much tribute to what came before. opeth was also a great example until they started doing the exact same thing i just mentioned. i hope these videos can make even a slight impact towards making songwriting relevant to metal culturally as much as/more than sweep picking and low tunings
Agree on your first sentence. I guess too many are making music for (or to impress) other musicians and that is the worst you can do.
Somehow? Since the rivalry of Megadeth and Metallica, probs even earlier, it has been a dick measuring contest for fans about who shreds better
@@19ThreeLions97 yeah i definitely see what you mean, but i think that's more of a fan thing than a concern for the musicians themselves, at least once they get a little more mature. using the megadeth example, yes, dave started it motivated by a superiority complex but eventually his songwriting turned into one of the most cohesive and tasteful in metal, just happening to still be technical, everything from rust in peace to youthanasia being a great example of balance between the two imo
Tbh knowing how to stay in the pocket and knowing when to whip out technical proficiency is way more satisfying.
I’m a really extreme example, but as a person who loves pop music I always get a kick out of the surprise on musicians face when I switch from a basic top 10 hit to playing the GOAT riff and then back, subtlety makes the moments of skill all the more impressive
Just gonna go here and recommend the prog metal band (although they'd hate me for calling them that) Ne Obliviscaris
Solar sounds like one of my neighbours is listening to Periphery demos while another neighbour is just practicing scales
Yo the Chad Mojito himself watches Rudy, mind blown
@@KeithintheWoods dude you should know, Rudy was on my podcast about a year ago!
To me solar sounds like something novelists would write
@@uremoangel21 love those guys
The internet/technology/plugins both liberated musicians and fucking destroyed metal.
Everything sounds like it was produced by the same person.
I miss variety
As an amateur composer, cheers to all the guys that submitted literally anything. Kagemaro in particular, you got some good shit going one man! Cheers for taking the first step and I hope you develop your concepts more!
What I learned so far from those roasting videos:
1) I am easy to please and find something interesting in basically everything. Maybe I should try watching paint dry.
2) Apparently a lot of musicians seem to get cough up in the process of making a song and forget that someone listing to their song has not heard all those rifts and individual elements of the song a million times before the song even starts, which leads to so incoherent songs.
But hey, I suck at music AND I still like almost everything in those roasting videos … outside of a lot of the guitar tones.
My favorite part about modern metal is how the drum parts are just a flurry of random mono-tone midi drums for 6 minutes
yeah. as a drummer I cry.
I know this is supposed to be humour etc etc. I just have to say man the insight and abstract language you used gave such a clear almost visual representation of what you heard. You should definitely run a private feedback service. I would for sure pay for something like this.
Fantastic work Rudy.
You are basically beta-testing everyone's mixes at this point
Lol now everyone will have to credit rudy as producer on their music
Rudy. You still haven't roasted us yet... come on.
Eyy.. good to see you here again. Love your work.
@@Yanthungbemo Thank you!
Hey guys, check out this band Insurgents
@@insurgent1126 great song
He's scared
It always somehow comes back to tesseract 😂
7:39 - that solo didn't stop. it's like an Eminem verse - keeps on going and going and going, no pause to appreciate it at all.
Like there are other patterns bro.
8:55 "bro I'm so sad and disappointed, can you believe it?" That made me laugh out loud. Sums up so many moments I've had with songs where I suddenly lose engagement and cannot articulate why, even though Rudy seemed to enjoy the song.
This guy gets it, the music hes reviewing sounds very profesional and well played by great musicians, yet sound so tame and... boring. Its not that "todays music sucks", theres plenty of amazing and original metal out there, but its very clear that the whole "prog-djent metal" thing has stagnated.
PD: bring back standard E tuning.
definitely. Tired of barely being able to discern the chords with my ears cause they're too low. And I'm just tired of that sound. The lowest you should go is D. Unless your Amon Amarth of something who has amazing music in B.
@MR.CLAW1997 Well say dude
Black Metal
I genuinely cannot begin to understand why the hell anyone would ever play something like a 10 string guitar.
If you want your stuff to sound bassy and low then actually use your bass guitar what's the point in downtuning so far that it's impossible to tell what's going on in the music
I've always said that Djent was Metal's retarded little brother.
I couldn't agree more. Between being screamed at constantly, monotonous chugging, and really repetitive drumming, metal has just becoming a onslaught to the senses that overwhelms and bores all at the same time.
March of drones was my first animation, I appreciate the input as this is going to make me much better, although I must correct that I did not rip the assets, they are mine. Thanks bud. I have subbed.
hell yea bro
Someone else here jokingly called your video "my first blender project", turns out they were onto something, lol
@@denisborzov8406 must be a blender user themselves. I definitely did all the rookie mistakes.
You could tell, keep at it!
Rudy actually a great critic of modern metal, keep this series going bro, it's for real fun and interesting :)
"I'd rather read a book and know what the story is than read a book with a bunch of pretty words and not understand shit." Nice.
Meteorain has every single miserable, offensive home-guitarist-playing-through-a-15-Watt-Roland-Cube tone and I love it. So many sharp notes, it's just like practicing lmao
wait which one was that because none of these songs are called meteorain lol
@@johnevered9640 Its the first song Kagemaro and in the title on rudys screen it does say meteorain
@@johnevered9640 Kagemaro - Meteorain
Is your profile picture Koizumi
glorious
When an adult writes metal music lyrics, he magically turns 13 again.
For real why are they always so corny and cliche
@@jtyler0 ikr all of them are overdramatic and edgy
my guitar teacher told me when I first started learning music "for real" that "guitar is like singing, if you don't take a breath you're going to run out of air" and that can be said for alot of modern metal, highlighted in that Solar song, beautiful little calm section that goes on for a lot longer than it should have done
"I'm about to be a Cosmophobe..PHOBE" actually made me wheeze, holy shit that was funny. Man Rudy has some great moments.
@Cosmophobe haha
@Cosmophobe loved the tune mate
Man I’m not gonna lie i kinda enjoyed solar’s song but i cant find it anywhere
hence the name
Check pinned comment
I found it!
@@ChadMojito lmao nice one
czcams.com/video/XFWoYSuAK2c/video.html
This is why im stuck on 80s- early 2010s.
Wow I haven't seen this series before and I wasn't expecting him to go this hard
Yes it's great. You get the Rudely humor, but with some borderline par critique. Probably the closest to not trash that Rumby offers. I can't unsubscribe, watching him slowly die keeps me young. It's like this channel is my Memento Mori, or perhaps a car crash in front of a disabled school of orphans that I just can't seem to look away from.
Bro the thing is he was actually more polite on this video he normally goes in way harder
@@chiefsmackaho42 Like, SO hard.
Unironically the name "Meteorain Isoscelis" kinda bangs
I was thinking the same thing.
bro it's isosceles
@@ayeyobossman6151 oh thank fuck, you corrected him. we can all sleep tonight, thank you
@@sweetassgigs No worries mate anytime. I live to serve.
Really impressive technical abilities but very unmemorable. As you moved on to the next band I already forgot the one before, it literally all sounds the same. Shredding at 300 bpm, cool, gets boring pretty fast.
This. This. THIS.
Yes. This is me playing the pentatonic over a 5 minute Hendrixy backing track if I knew how to shred. Mine is a salad with potatoes, onion and paprika this has mango, cashews and chia seeds n shit. Both salads you wont remember you had yesterday.
Yeah well said. Second song especially had the most boring lead guitar I've ever heard.
Dreamy and constant 16th notes around a scale made me want to check my phone. And the solo didn't say anything other than "I practice playing fast a lot."
Doesn't matter how technically proficient you are on guitar. If you can't make me FEEL what you're playing, I'll just go on to the next song, and if there are too many songs like the previous ones, I'll just skip your band altogether and keep doing so, until I end up listening to music from 20 years ago and think, "Now THIS is good music. Don't know what the hell I experienced earlier, but it all sounded stale by comparison."
a huge thing i noticed in these songs were that the artists needed to "breathe" more. like the instruments and vocals need to give more pause and space for the listner. i felt like i was choking listening to a lot of these lol
10:42 that riff is actualy insane, really oldschool feel to it
Just be proud there weren’t any minor seconds this time.
Thank you
fortunately there is a loud-ass one at 14:41
The most noticeable interval to me
Wachu got against the m2?
@@MingusDynastyy Nothing at all, I think it's rather spicy!
Man, I genuinely hated everything except Kagemaro's and Solar's songs.
People are so preoccupied with being guitarists that they forget to be musicians. Most of this stuff weren't even songs, just 3 minute party tricks.
Is this really all you have to offer after playing an instrument for 10 years?
I actually really like solar and Kagemaro was... Interesting, I've only seen those so far so I'm expecting the worst now lol
@@TTheLemon I couldn't finish the video after like the 4th song, lmao. I wanted to stay for Rudy's jokes, but I couldn't listen to any more
Yeah I really enjoyed the first two songs
I've been playing for 16 years, and I have even less to offer 😅
The point imho is these people don’t jam, don’t hang with other musicians, don’t grow their ears socializing with other instruments. Most of this stuff is made by bedroom musicians waiting for the chance to show off how cool the can riff/shred/whatever and enjoy physically playing on the instrument but have little on their own to say as musicians. Which is fine btw, and it’s the reason most good music is born from people interacting.
L.D. 50 is still more modern than most of whats happened in the 20 years since.
Ryan Martinie has more talent, vision, and creativity in his pinky than all mOdErN mEtAl bass players.
Amazing how many people can combine the same 6 elements together to make the same song over and over yet no one stops to wonder why
Kagemaro is sick.
Was awesome.
I thought the intro was dope. I picked up all of the instruments and it built up really well. I actually enjoyed it. They play with feeling.
I went to their video to listen clean and it's still great. I get what he's saying about structure... it's not all there, but it still stands out great as a track.
Hope they get well soon
@@paulobrito664 ahahahahahahah
It's amazing to me how so many technically gifted musicians manage to make such similar sounding stuff, and I know that's like, what a genre is by definition but like, yeah, maybe I'm just being pretentious
Nah its not just you, like 95% of modern proggy melodic djent metalcore sounds exactly the same
Remember that Black Sabbath's Black Sabbath is mostly just the root, the octave and the tritone. I'm pretty sure it's in standard too. It still sounds super heavy and evil. 🤘
Pretty sure Sabbath was down tuned, but you’re right.
Do less and maybe people will still jam it fifty years later.
@@adamg.manning6088 depends. Early sabbath was in standard I’m pretty sure. I mean real early
@@AGuyOnTheInternet-jm4rs Oh fair enough. Thanks.
They only down tuned during Master Of Reality throughout to Sabbath Bloody Sabbath since Tony Iommi lost the tips of his fingers and pretty much had to have less string tension to play at the time.
First album was tuned to Eb Standard and on next they tuned to C# Standard
First song sounds very Anime and I love it, I got the mental picture clearly :)
I can’t even bear to watch your 30 second videos. You expect me to watch a 30 minute one?
I did. Subscribed.
Solar was pretty stereotypical djent until the amazing clean bit and melody
Level 100 technical playing, level 1 song writing
Lmao true
When all you care about is how techy your sound is
You forgot about the story
yeah, every piece of music should conform to the same standards. you forgot about 'soul' and 'emotions' tho
if you want a story go read a book or listen to the millions of availble bands out there that do that, i personally want nonstop speed and technicality, and musicians pushing themselves to the absolute limits on their instruments
The riff of "Divided we stand" is actually a great example of "telling more by doing less". That riff isn't complex or something, but is really engaging. It worked great for me.
But mix wasn't the best, right.
I'mma check out that first band just because of the MtG reference band name and FF7 reference song title
You’re the first one to nail them both - we love you.
my dude, is a giant.
How do we submit to be on this ? We want to be roasted. Let us know.
it's not even intentional being hung up on old bands. it's not like "i only listen to old school. i'm a purist. analog forever."
i want to give modern bands a chance and i put effort into listening with an open mind every now and then but it just doesn't connect or hit you the way less complex or less polished classic tracks or new tracks from old active bands do.
New/fairly recent music released by Carcass, Tool, SOAD, Darkthrone, Elder, Sepultura, High on Fire, Sleep, Deftones etc. are pretty solid though. Heck even Limp Bizkit's recent tight set released as a live album would be a better sounding and enjoyable "new release".
meteorain was actually so fire i have it on my playlist now
hell yeh!!
❤️
Actually, "bro", you nailed most of modern prog metal vocals with your few-second vocal roast, haha!
Kagemoro . After a few minutes it felt like an animr intro song.
In all honesty, Rudy gives some really good advice here. Unsubscribed
"I'm not a fan of the core genres..." ah I see, a man of culture. Subbed.
Its literally just pop
@@biggest_man4151 Yep, definitely some of it can be described as "heavy pop-punk." Though, it being similar to pop isn't the reason I dislike it.
core is cringe
@@biggest_man4151 Converge, Insect Warfare, and Dillinger Escape Plan sound like pop?...
@@Sergio-nb4hj no not at all. At the time i was thinking of metalcore
Modern metal is missing the blues influence.
Ha more like the GOOD influence 😎👉👉
Yes. This. There’s no meaningful harmony anymore. As far as the eye can see, a barren wasteland of djent riffs.
It needs more groove.
Most of Rudy's fans have never met vocalists.
I'm here if you need me lmao.
Kagemaro: Should be writing anime intros.
Solar: Should be writing the battle scenes in the same anime Kagemaro writes for.
Greater Danger: The musical awakening of an early 2000's middle school kid.
South Star and Inflexion: Your average CZcams guitarist.
Shred 93: A 90's Yahoo username but a 2010's sound.
March of Drones: A vaguely 80's sounding name, with music that sounds ahead of its time for the 80's, but still sucks in any other era, with FMV-looking animations that place it all squarely in the early 90's.
Cosmophobe: Vaguely sweet-smelling musical diarrhea.
Insurgent: What you get when the multi-talented theatre kids start a band and the music is the same as their skills; showing promise, but ultimately mediocre.
Jameson: Still waiting for those pictures of Spider-Man.
Lmaooo 👏
Kagemaro gives so much anime’s intro vibes in fact, couldnt think of something else while listing to it
You explained kagemaro, solar, and greater danger in such an accurate way, no seriously I felt the exact same way towards them but couldn't explain it like you did😭
My 13 year old little brother is just getting into music. He is blown away by Black Sabbath, King crimson. I love how he always discovers some cool obscure 70s prog or psychedelic band.
Modern metal sounds like a joke to him. Cannot blame him.
Then you arent listening to the right modern metal.
@@Revanchist Exactly.
Im 16, and im kind of in the same boat as him. early metal and psych rock is all ive been listening throughout quarantine.
@@Revanchist I hate to break this to you but there is no Metallica or Slayer from the last 10 years. No break out that demands your attention. It’s unfair to hold them up to that standard but a brickwall limiter doesn’t resolve an inability to hold the listener.
Strangely, it makes it harder because I don’t geta chance to be gripped from below by the souls of my treacherous past, I don’t get a whole lotta Rosie and I don’t don’t get to take your hand to go off to never never land.
Behemoth was the last one I dug, and they eventually were trying to write soundtrack songs all the time 😂
yeah, some modern metal sounds like pop music played by road construction tools to me. just trrr trrr trr -aaaa aaa... a lot of it simply is a pop song with screaming vocals, chuggy riffs, but if you unplug them, it would be a campfire song with a lot of 16th notes on top as a metal decoration. then there are the others that want to use every possible technique and break/time signature change in a song, and it ends up being equivalent to that car that Homer Simpson designed.
but what do I know, I love classic Black Sabbath and King Crimson, a lot heavier music just gets on my nerves for some unknown reason. I guess everybody's brain has some maximum musical appreciation frequency they are tuned to.
That last roast about singing in key was fucking savage 😂
Every modern metal band is just “oh, it’s Meshuggah with a clean, jazzy section. Oh, it’s Meshuggah with a shreddy, sweep-picking part. Oh, it’s Meshuggah with some clean metalcore singing. Oh, it’s Meshuggah with a reverb-heavy, ‘atmospheric’ bit.”
there's only 1 Meshuggah.. no one can ever touch them..
We have periphery at home.
There is only one Meshuggah and that’s the problem... it’s a simple concept but it seems like none of these artists listen to anything else. Metallica? Slayer? Michael Jackson? Eminem? If you can’t get down to Smooth Criminal or Billie Jean or My Name Is... how the 🦆 are you going to write tech death for more than 2 fans?!
@@Xplora213 messhugah has nothing to do with tech death you're thinking of djent. those 2 genres sound nothing alike so maybe instead of recommending people to listen to flicking Metallica maybe check out cynic ,death,atheist (big early influences of:) necrophagist, obscura, equipose, archspire, first fragment,spawn of possession and get a feel for the genre by listening to bands that can actually write properly structured techdeath not just riff vomit. it's still going to be fast af and won't slow down but that's kinda the point of the whole genre so if that's not your thing you still won't be enjoying any of these bands but its worth at least giving a chance.
id recommend starting with obscura since their guitarist and bass player both have an actual degree in music and know their shit
@@Tanya-xs8zt I love Death, necrophagist, obscura, first fragment, beyond creation- they are master musicians and composers. Sean Malone(RIP), Dominic Forrest Lapointe and Evan Brewer are three bass players I regularly study. But you are actually selling Meshuggah a bit short.
You see- you can identify a Meshuggah track from a mile away- just by their uniqueness. They don't give a duck about melody(except thordendal's lead solo time). Meshuggah's originality comes from their rhythm- the origin of music... It's something primitive, tribal or spiritual- as if caught in a meditative trance. Till date I know max 3/4 groups that can invoke similar feelings- but each are vastly different from each other. And vastly different from Meshuggah.
OK I know yall will call me a simp but I don't care. Insurgent got bland riffs but the singer is really good.
Hmm you're familiar
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They are trying to sound like Jinjer.
@@feiticeirafatale561 that's just Opeth with extra steps
@Gringo Killer That's just, like, your opinion, man
Finally!! Someone actually saying it out loud!!
Very well said, I'm actually quite relieved that the majority of comments here are met with the same critical approach that is shown in this video.
Hope to see more of this kind of vid! :)
“I get it…beat me from the left, then beat me from the right”
Great explanation man had me laughing - truly how it feels
“So you’ve been listening to Tesseract then” … fucking killed me with that deadpan delivery 😂
Either the submissions are getting better or Rudy is getting nicer
Rudy really hit the nail on the head in his critiques, and it mirrors the same critiques I have for so many modern guitar-centric music in the prog/metal/math rock genres. When the songs sound like guitar players putting together a collage of riffs and arpeggios and showy shredding, but with no sense of storytelling, dramatic structure, compelling development, or emotional engagement, then it just sounds like a mishmash of technical exercises but no heart, no soul, and no real creative vision. Musicians who compose in that way need to start taking songwriting/composition seriously and really focus on its art and craft, instead of being stuck as a guitar player trying to cosplay as composer/songwriter. If songwriters and composers aren't trying to pretend they are great guitar players, then guitar players shouldn't do the reverse either. Either you respect the art and craft of composing and arranging music, or stick to just playing guitar and let good composers and songwriters do their thing.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. There’s no emotion, no substance, just sound. It’s not art, it an imitation of art. Music isn’t just technique, it’s also feeling, and if you don’t have that, then you don’t have music.
When r/metal writes a song
@Maxi Rios Polyphia's stuff ever since they evolved their style has certainly been innovative and interesting in terms of the playing techniques involved and taking influences from hip-hop and other genres. However, when you listen to one Polyphia song after another, can you really say each song tells a different story with different emotions, or despite the innovative techniques, it's still just a lot of flexing and playing similar type of riffs over and over, showing off the utilization of complex tapping and harmonics? What stories do these songs actually tell? What emotions do they actually convey? What journey do you actually go on, with a sense of developing drama or changing emotional landscape of progression of musical ideas? If I can jump around the song at different time stamps and it basically sounds the same, then is there actual meaningful development?
To give an example of a guitar player who's known for being an excellent songwriter/composer, would be Plini (who's one of my favorites). Listen to how he develops the emotional journey and musical ideas of his songs, how the songs can sound quite different from each other, yet still retain his prog/djent/fusion sensibility and sounds like him. His entire discography is a testament to his talent and skill as a composer and arranger.
Another example would be Eric Johnson's "Manhattan." That song is a masterpiece and a masterclass in how to develop a musical idea in a guitar-centric context with different sections, utilizing different techniques, and conveys emotions or moods in a distinct manner.
Alex Hutchings' "Happy As Larry" is another fusion masterpiece. Listen to that melodic development, the way he can shred without sounding like meaningless noodling and create beautiful melodic lines, and how he escalates the tension and built up the excitement, or how he alters the pacing a bit in the rhythm and phrasing at the mid-point, and then continues smoothly to the rest of the piece, but the momentum is never interrupted.
@@minixlemonade2335 never heard anything so painfully true in my life but you just hit the nose right there my guy 😂
Is it me or is he going softer? I never heard Rudy give so many compliments in one video.
nah he definitely is going softer
I really love this, its great to see your insight on stuff that I like, so whenever I compose something I just have to do the complete opposite of what everybody did in this video lol
Everyone in the comment bitching that everyone isnt bring creative and that everything sounds the same. I loved like all of these songs!! Maybe im too nice but i thought some of this shit was pretty cool even tho not all of it is completely original. We should be appreciating their creativity, let rudy do the roasting
Everyone just wants to be mad, bro 🤣
Bro...No no...Are yo....Huh?... but it LITERALLY DOES ALL SOUND THE FJCK1NG SAME!!!🤦
@@nutterinherbutter5080 what the fuck is wrong with you
As the great hit producer Quinsy J said to the then beginning producer David Foster:"You should be able to play your song on a piano with one finger and still be catchy!" This Applies every genre i think! The mellody is the key regardless if you play instrumental or not!
I know I sound like a boomer but sometimes with modern metal I wish I could just listen to good old E standard. Watching through this video made me real tired of the Drop Z djenting fuck
Listen to sylosis?
Listen to slam in double drop c it’ll change your life
Stay in tune and listen to my band hehe
Nothing wrong with low tunings. It's the music they are playing and the production that's the issue.
yes you're a boomer
I remember, back in MY day, vocalists actually SANG in songs, and guitarists actually played chords. THAT is why all modern Metal sounds the same. Everyone wants to sound like everyone else.
He's actually giving nice exposure to these bands, as well as practical way to improve it.
KagemarBRO was the shit bro. The ice bath analogy was amazing for that lead though!
The “Greater Danger” one employs what I call “teenage tantrum” vocals. They’re shouts, but there’s no throat or depth to them. The highest level of menace these kinds of vocals achieve is a sore teenager slamming their bedroom door.
I'm subbed because I agree with the other comment I saw here about how Rudy just has a good way of putting into words my immediate feelings for a song. It's hard to say you don't like something or it isn't interesting without the recipient hearing it as "bad"...but he is absolutely right when you hear soulless riffs just kinda slapped together for 3-6 minutes/nothing really really grabs you about a song is the difference between successful artists with good songwriting/their own style vs. someone kind of parroting as almost a hobby vs. a passion. I feel like when I put out music with my name attached to it I'd want it to be something that stands out, I don't know how so many bands are fine just sounding like run-of-the-mill djent/prog
I love your takes on music. Really insightful even for someone like myself who is a songwriter, but you aren’t roasting haha. Definitely feel like I got a lot out of this. I really got the “don’t come at me with all that emotion” and “develop your characters”
Also good job to all the songwriters you roasted.
The problem with genre is you get genre. Thats why I listen to different music besides metal. I dont care if all metal sounds alike, when I want that sound I know exactly where to go.
first song sounds like someone’s been listening to early The Mars Volta
edit: I absolutely agree with Rudy tho.
what he's saying is true, however, is not that all new metal sounds the same. What happens is this bands are most likely amateurs. Amateur artist are still looking for their own style and will sound/look like "every other artist that is this style". Is cool that they hear this at this stage, so they can work on that through their journey.
ngl kagemaro is pretty good
It’s weird because the metal community is divided like never before. Prog guys look down at a power chord/root & fifth with a 4/4 meter and can’t seem to enjoy that. Same with downtuning and extended range guitars, many look down at a 6 string standard tuned
So true man. Sometimes after listening to this new age complex stuff when I go back and listen to some 80s hard rock it just feels like a breath of fresh air. I don’t have anything against this music but it seems its not my cup of tea
Songwriting used to be the goal. Banging your head and having fun with likeminded people used to be the goal. Now the goal is to sit in your bedroom with top end gear/plugins/drinking artisanal coffee and trying to prove you’re really clever.
@@saurabhsuman4197 this shit's all gonna loop back to that in a few years, mark my words.
At least we should get something like the late 2000's new wave of thrash.
@@saurabhsuman4197 You play any instruments?
@@BassManDan1018 Spot on. You know it
Metal as an artform has obviously already peaked.
When you started singing on the first song, I thought "Isn't that Caligula's Horse?"
It`s not that "everything now sounds the same" it's just that now it's easier to show music around the world. Don't you think if the technology we have today existed back in the day would result in many Iron Maiden style? You could say modern metal sucks but there are some big bands out there making such incredible music and there's people trying to imitate that. I bet you all tried to do your original Metallica style song someday but couldn't share it to the world for some reason.
While i don't want to fall into any fallacy of "everything sounds the same, but i haven't heard every bit of music out there", i truly believe it's lacking a bit of direction now, because we have all of this technology, so i guess extreme complex riffs is the way to go ? But if it loses that "simplistic catchiness", maybe it does sound the same ?
I think back then with current technology, the Metallicas and Iron Maidens would still exist, but a lot more local bands would sound like them.
Also maybe it's because of the internet, and easy popularity ? What grants you more views quicker, enter sandman cover, or an original ? Maybe we are lazy, i truly i dont know my guy
@@Rikarwb i think it's a typical mirror of society. directionless and bland (with some exceptions of course)
just look up the length of all the classical periods and then check out all the blues/jazz standards that are still being performed to this day and maybe rethink your expectations towards metal for not changing fast enough. djent didn't even exist 15 years ago and it evolved to the point where it encompasses vastly different sounding band from borderline postrock/ambient material (sithu aye for example) all the way to heavy bands like humanity's last breath, and that's just one subgenre. I'd say metal is peaking very hard right now if anything
Why would you watch a video of modern metal roasting if you're going to get offended?
@@tommypenisfingers because its clickbait that does not represent what the video was about, and it also does a legit disservice to 'modern metal'(?) music by constantly conflating djent with contemporary metal, and the uploader was roasting rookie musicians of a single genre (almost exclusively) possibly the only metal genre the uploader ever liked before moving on/back to jazz and fusion .he sounds somewhat musically trained and def knows some amount of theory, so i'd be really curious to hear his opinions on actually boundary pushing contemporary metal bands like archspire, igorrr, thy catafalque, car bomb, Berried alive, hell id even take BTBAM or the years old solo album from jason richardson, but constantly conflating djent tropes being boring as shit with metal for a cheap joke every time is not cool, especially when metal has literally the most variety out of any genre (arguably)
@uploader guy
please bro , either stop making metal music the butt of every joke or catch up on the past 10 years of developments in metal so you have something more substantive to put in your modern prog metal in 9 steps video pt2 other than yet another weird ass attack on tesseract/djent (why even....)and dream theater (and no polyphia style themes anywhere even tho thats how half the wanna be proggers sound like lately and you even know this band), hope you can see where im coming from with my constructive criticism
I think I'm gonna try to sing on that Kagemaro track, see if I can make it worse
Who evers band is Kagemaro , I actually really dug the math rock sound and y'all are fantastic as a band for real
❤️
lets see how many people get the Final Fantasy 7 reference with Meteorain.
I got it instantly!
Yep
I loved "Solar - Not Found"
Would like to listen to the full song.
Author, please upload it on YT
SAME
Kind of sounds like Sashko
I really like it, but it does sound a bit generic. Or at least the beginning does.
Hey, thanks!
I uploaded it to my channel here: czcams.com/video/XFWoYSuAK2c/video.html
@@solarjh2765 thank you so much
Song is beautiful
Keep on