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If Tom Landry and Andy Reid were fired, Bill Belichick should be worried... #pats #shorts
• If Tom Landry and Andy...
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Joe Gibbs is a highly underrated coach. He's a greater coach than he gets credit for
As a Dallas fan, I agree.
I’m a Washington fan that agrees 100%.
Who underrated Joe? Nobody smart did
Why he came back to Red skins he was a looser look at his record
“There’s two types of coaches in this world. Those who have been fired, and those who will be fired.”
Some (not many) choose option-C: quit/retire
@@shruggzdastr8-facedclownTechnically Bill is all three.
For Steelers it hire to retire.
@@lordtryforce: Yeah, they've only had three HCs over the past five decades+
Tom was always as good as some of us thought 🔥
Joe Gibbs was the man
Tom Brady TB12 was the main man of all those Victories, It’s no secret! Everyone that loves football 🏈 like I do knows this! Let’s Go! TB12!!!
Tom Brady was 31-18 WITHOUT Bill Belichick...
right, he just had Bruce Arians, Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Fournette, GRONK, and one of the best defenses in the league. let’s give him all the credit, and use it to hurt bellichecks legacy.
@@kullenboe9906 Brady is still the goat
With a good coach and best receivers and o-line.
@@zacharyradford5552 which means... Belichick FAILED to do his job towards the end of Brady's time in New England... duly noted....
@@ByronMotley wow, i never realized the head coach was also solely in charge of salary-cap, trades, and scouting for the draft. should he have went out and played receiver for them ? maybe made a couple tackles on defense ?
Landry got fired after 3 consecutive losing seasons, but that wasn’t the reason he was let go. He was let go because of the ownership change, IMO old ownership would’ve given him 3-4 more years to turn it around minimum
They made him get rid of garapolo. I think he would have transitioned well if he did things his way
The pats have returned as what they use to be, did like the Eason and Grogan years.
That SB against the Bears was ROUGH
@@tyl8770 They still beat Marino's dolphins so give them credit there. That was not the worst of the patriots
As a Seahawks and Pats fan I agree
Currently trying to figure out if it's o.k. to root for a man to lose his job...
He is a multimillionaire, he'll be fine. You aren't rooting for the constulructionworker to lose his job
Right? I haven't been able to stand the guy for years, I kinda wouldn't mind if he was out of the league, chillin' in Boca giving his waitress a hard time lol
Mike Tomlin has entered the chat…
gibbs was the guy whos qb was injured first game and stilln won the sb.
Even he struggled in his last stint with the redskins
@@kendallandrews8691his first big interview in that 2nd stint. He said, "They (defenses) are forcing the issue,'' he said. ''Nobody is sitting back and reading things. And that's changed the offensive approach.''
@@kendallandrews8691 you cant win by yourself
It’s not just that simply as he was good with Brady. Do we forget how bad they looked that last season with Tom and how bad even Tom looked as the team around him diminished? Tom threw 3 ints in one half of the conference championship game while with Tampa and that defense gave up only 3 points.
Yet what was their record that year?
If anything, shows how bad the team was then in NE that he still turned it around in Tampa
Indeed, has any coach won 3 SBs with 3 diff QBs? That by itself makes Gibbs a Mt Rushmore HC. He might even be the GOAT.
Yeah he is unless Carroll wins one more with Geno
@@kendallandrews8691: Carroll needs another QB after Smith in order to equal Gibbs' achievement
I'd still vote for Shula, Landry, and Reid as the top GOAT coaches, as these all made major innovations to the game, plus they won consistently with entirely different rosters for many years. Gibbs is close to these, though.
Second tier would be Bellichick, Lombardi, Paul Brown, Chuck Noll, and Bill Walsh, plus others, who were great coaches and made marked innovations to the game but only won with essentially one team and/or one QB (though we'll never know if Lombardi would have turned Washington around if he hadn't died of cancer.
@@stewartmillen7708those redskins teams in the 80s were pretty damn good. And he had a more balanced offense than given credit with great WRs like Art Monk, Gary Clark and Ricky Sanders.
@@maxshby8136 I am not denying that--especially good were the 1983 Redskins, who Gibbs correctly called 'his best team' despite losing the Super Bowl (which really, they should have won, they were better than the Raiders and had beaten them in the regular season). But I would still elevate Shula, Landry, and Reid as the best based on tenure and innovations to the game (particularly the first two, as every pro game you see today you see Shula's and Landry's innovations being used some 30 years plus after they played. That's impressive.
How about Bill Walsh ?
What about him?
Legacy tree...yeah west coast o....yep as a ram's fan yep
Overrated coach and his coaching Tree
The tree is it
Too be fair the Patriots rosters with Brady was stacked and when they finally started to get worse it showed in Brady’s last year with New England. Belichicks had nothing since Brady’s departure
That's his own fault. He's the de facto GM. You're not helping Bill's case.
Brady made those guys looked good,they were nobodys before he started
@@sugarbear1225 exactly. A lot of the players he had around him were nobodies, the RBs, all the WRs except Moss and we see what Brady did when he had top tier talent.
Bill, go the the Giants. Come around full circle.
Imagine if Tom Brady was in Bill Walsh's system back in the day, He would have an .850 winning % and more than 10 SB wins, Belichick held him back. Lol, this is essentially what Colin is saying.
I believe Belichick thought he was better than he is. Belichick must be grateful to Brady for making him a legend. Great coaches win everywhere.
Fully agree with this. Belichick is not the GOAT. If he was? He would be winning without Brady.
What coach is winning with mac Jones?
Ever notice how during interviews, Colin’s questions are ridiculously long… and when the interviewee answers, Colin never - ever has a follow-up question. He pivots to the next non-related ridiculously long question. Funny how he mocks coaches for being great on script (Ie. first 15 plays) but bad at adjustments. That is exactly what Colin is… great on script but can’t react to an interviewees answer with a meaningful follow-up.
it's his show
Maybe that’s what you thought!! Tom Brady is the best leader of men to EVER play football and that was obvious if you ever listened to his teammates’ interviews.
He may not have been gifted with the best skillset but he was ALWAYS prepared, never left anything to chance, got more out of his teammates than they even thought they had and lead his team into battle. His teammates would ABSOLUTELY walk through walls for him and all that more than made up for his “lack” of natural skillset and athleticism.
When you've got Mack Jones and Zappe as your starters I would be supposed any coach goes above 500
I believe if you duct taped his mouth he would explode
Bill Belichick will retire as head coach of the Pats when he’s ready.
Colin has the world's coldest take on this
Exactly ❤
Bill would have won his first three super bowls in New England without Brady. Brady would have won his last three super bowls in New England without Bill.
Like I've always been saying, Mr. Kraft took the stand on behalf of Aaron Hernandez. When he cares about you, he really cares about you
Bill first 3 supper bowls were not Brady they were him !!
Funny how this is the first time. The truth is being said out loud! I have always thought Belichick was getting away with BS. He was on a good coaching staff.. everyone knows coaching is all about connections.
Shows you it was the team with Tom not the team with the hoodie
Joe Gibbs stood on the sideline with his teeth in his mouth while his quarterback, Joe T , suffered a compound fracture - lost my respect.
Yep. I always said Brady made Belichick not the other way around
Damn Bills already lost 91 games without Tom
Bill is the GOAT coach. Brady and Bill needed each other. Period ! But Bill the GM has missed a lot in the new NFL.
He won in tampa
Where is the evidence that he’s such a great coach (without Brady)?
@@billymanziel5666the 3 rings he won when Brady was a below average game manager, plus the super-bowl where he held the #1 offence to 6 points, after holding Patrick Mahomes to 0 points in the first half of the AFCCG.
oh but I forgot, the quarterback wins, just like when Brady got credit for “owning” Peyton manning in the playoffs, while playing terrible in every single one of those games.
@@bondsgoat25Brady wasn’t below average. The game was different back then. He is a great coach, but your just exaggerating to fit your agenda
@@JBullock54 no I’m not and I’m not comparing his stats then, to stats today. I’m well aware of the difference. During that run (2001-2004) he peaked in 2004 and was still around 10th or worse in all the major categories, in a relatively weak era for QBs.
Regardless of Brady’s uptick in regular season production later on, He was consistently POOR in the playoffs and by virtue so we’re the pats offenses but those fetuses commenting wouldn’t know it.
Brady has thrown 3 or more picks in multiple Conference championship games… and his *team* still won every single one of those, I rest my case, that’s all you need to know.
But he has his hat on backwards?
Tom Brady wasn’t better than we thought on the field… he just has less shame and a deeper throat than Mac Jones. Mac Jones punches balls, while Brady gargled them. A sore jaw leads to more wins and made up calls
Tom much better than we thought? Who is we? Coaches don't play. Up to Tom to lead and execute the plays or ad lib when play gets busted. Tom proved he was the GOAT when he won In Tampa
How many super bowls did belichick have before tom???
Joe Gibbs is a nascar team owner I think he’s confused
If I’m being honest. Future hall of fame coach and future hall of fame qb compliment each other. It’s hard for either to succeed without eachother. Sure Brady had his success in tamp but he also had a lot of support and a competent head coach. Andy Reid didn’t win a Super Bowl until he got Patrick Mahomes. Pete Carrolls qb situation right now looking questionable while last year russ looked completely lost. Pair Russ with another future hall of fame qb and he’s top 5 in all major passing stats.majority of the time future hall of fame qbs and coaches usually win when they are paired up
The question should be: how many rings would have Tommy won wirh a different coach, maybe an offensive one? Not les than 10 to me
Nlt sure if he will get fired or not but i do know 1 think. That man is not " worried" about it i can guarantee you that. Thats just not something that coach would actually worry about he would retire or on to the next. Just how he operates for better or worse lol
Mac Jones should be fired
Remember he took over a superbowl team reay by Bill parcels
Its only been 4yrs. How is he suppose to win with the teams he's had, why do you think Brady left? If he had the right players he could coach them to something special!
Landry didn't get fired. He was J.J.'d
Tom needed a super team to win in Tampa. Also tom went 1 and done in the playoffs. If tom was that good then he would've had a deep playoff run. How did tom look with no gronk, ab, Bruce arians?
I mean look at Sean Payton and drew Brees and then look at the parody with Kyle Shanahan it’s crazy how some the 49ers seems like they can win with any qb but not as much other teams can do the same
You forgot he won with lawerence taylor
Parcels did
@@kendallandrews8691 parcells has 0 without bill
@@bradyschannel6413 right
You could have got the popcorn man to coach LT and popcorn man would be called the greatest defensive coordinator.
Bill B is a great coach. BUT, it is now a proven fact that without Brady, he is just ordinary. Props to him for always getting the players that he needed for Brady. But he’s not a genius coach, he got very lucky and capitalized on that luck.
He thinks Mac is the next Tom and won’t give up on him and it’ll be the end of his coaching career
Paul Brown goat got fired Weeb Ewbank first headcoach to win NFL championship with two different teams once got fired . Bellichick a guy who's a literal walking NFL historian should acknowledge he's not exempt based upon the history of legendary headcoaches who overstayed their usefulness and were inevitably fired . His vast ego and stubborness will be his downfall .
They are 30 million under the cap EVERY year so maybe its not the coach
wild to me that we act like the patriots have a strong roster rn… far weaker than brady ever had, in his career. not to mention, he’s dealing with Mac Jones, the locker-room cancer. You expect Bellicheck to win with this roster ??? look at brady’s last year in new england, when he didn’t have any weapons, and had a below average defense. he was bad. immediately went to tampa and made a new super-team with bruce arians. but yeah, let’s give brady all the credit, and ignore every advanced stat that tells us otherwise.
Yep he sucks without Brady lol
Bill doesn't have a decent quarterback now.
Andy really wasn’t fired from here it more mutual then anything! Lost 3 chips 1 Super Bowl tho them teams were good they fell short so you know what label a coach starts to get! Plus all the stuff that was happening with his kids here! It was just time to move on for a fresh start for both
Belichick is the worst coach n nfl history
😂
Lmaoo
Not the worst but he’s definitely the most overrated… hes blessed to have gotten tom brady… bro has 0 playoff wins without brady.. rex ryan played more afc title games with mark sanchez as qb than bill has without brady…
@@cristianlopez6801bill had 1 playoff win in 1996 ironically against the patriots but still…
@@dennispinchuk9545 wow you’re definitely proving your point with his 1 playoff win, rex ryan reached 2 afc title games 🤣
Straight BS..anyone with a brain knows it was not Toms immobile self winning all this SB. It was Defense and schemes that had guys wide open…unless you are saying Tom ran around giving guys more time and threw the ball on the run…THAT NEVER HAPPENED. It was great coaching!
yea okay Bill Hader
Always forget about bills two Super Bowl with the giants
Dayummmmm. “Boring, dull and bad.”
Bill would be dominating if the sport hadn't changed and become so so wack
Him and Brady are the cheatingest people in the NFL. Accused once is one thing being accused multiple times YOURE A CHEATER
Yeah now they're actually going to have to pay some talent to stick around there so notorious for getting somebody for next to nothing the first year or two and then just releasing them like they did Randy Moss instead of paying him like he deserved they used to could do that cuz they had Tom and he was the difference-maker will now that's out the window and they're just like every other team they got to pay for talent across-the-board and not just at quarterback
Good coach bad coach, get lucky and draft a good QB. If it wasn’t luck then all the qbs that could really play would go 1,2,3 in every draft. However know one knows, not any of them. Their teams eventually amount to the quality of qb.
What kind of stupid narrative is this? If anything Brady thrived under the Patriots organization and umbrella is because he had a complete TEAM on both offense and defense. Bucs weren't going to produce that type of system in the long term either. Not only that but Kraft ensured that Brady, Bellichick and company had all the right tools and weapons at their disposal. The term defense wins Championships ring a Bell? if i remember correctly those first 3 Championships vividly. Boy did they have a great defense that Parcells/Bellichick coaching tree is rooted in DEFENSIVE PROWESS! This guy really gives too much credit to QUARTERBACKS! This is why the league over pays and over rates most of the qbs today with their inflated salaries and underperforming stats and blowed up records. With a stout defense most qbs can thrive even the mediocre ones.
So hard to say, what coach is the GOAT! There have been tons! I mean, ONLY SHULA went undefeated! No, I don't think Shula is the GOAT, I'm just saying, it is too hard to pick 1! If 49ers win it all; where is Shanahan, his record is getting insanely positive! Reid is the best now, then Shanahan! Chuck Noll, ok see, I gotta stop, too many! 🤷🤔
B4 bellicheck there was landry🤠💪
...and Bill Walsh (who, incidentally, won one more SB than Landry)
80-93 without Brady. He got lucky, end of story. His legacy is tarnished
Don’t get too cocky Brady was on his way down after that hotshot Buccs team fell apart and he knew it when he retired.
I dont think Bill is a bad coach. I think he hasnt done well picking players. He hasnt done a good job of building a team. It was easy for Tom Brady to pick a ready made Tampa team with receivers and a good defense already there and win. Its a lot harder to get a franchise quarterback and build a good roster. That takes time. But I definitely think he should come off the GM position.
So you cannot win if you do not have a good qb. Thanks colin for that amazing analysis. Also i did not know that an owner who has 6 superbowls would be satisfied with less.
It has nothing to do with Tom being better than we though. Tom Brady is highly overrated and wouldn’t have won anything without the belichek system… it’s just the system is outdated and people have figured it out. He needs to lose his ego and adapt to the new nfl simple. The super bowls the result of bills system than anything else. Tom Brady is overrated period
Tom Landry was fired by new ownership Andy Reed failed to win a championship in Philadelphia.....Bellichick could be tanking for certain drat choices....hes above answering to the likes of you ......i dont think its a coincidence that Bellichick also drafted Jimmy G .....Dont forget Bellichick is one and 0 so far against Tomlin without Tom Brady oh and The Steelers are 1 and 0 against Tom Brady without Bill Bellichick.....you can spin things anyway you want .....Parcells never did anything without Bill Bellichick.....lets spin this
Bill belichick lost Dante Scarneccia, Ernie Adams and Tom Brady all at once. Dude…