A very interesting idea! The "turning" of the wheel at the end of the word would help a lot against trying to decode by assigning each symbol a letter (if you guess that the first word is HAIL you got 4 letters converted and so on...) In fact, your system remidns me of the enigma machine, with several rings and jumping a step after each letter. Good job!
The enigma was the first thing that came into my mind as well. The enigma was based on code books with the code of the day and moving parts, With the idea presented in this video, the code books would be replaced by the Dodecahedrons. I'm very sure though that if this was their real purpose there would be some reference in some military handbook or other ancient literature...
Thanks @uweinhamburg - Yes, as you can imagine, coding and ciphers were in their infancy, this simple idea requires no day code, key, keyword or password to send and receive messages. I don't think any drawings or manuals explaining 'how to use' were made of the system because it was a secret messaging system, and had to remain a secret from as many people as possible for as long as possible. Cheers
Many thanks for your comments and interest, the evidence is in the full version at around 29 minutes czcams.com/video/vBDgmE3d0aw/video.html Best Regards
many thanks @angelzipp Have you been able to view my Part 4 which deals with the key answers to the key questions ? ( czcams.com/video/mILHAi8z1ec/video.html ) or the full version ( czcams.com/video/vBDgmE3d0aw/video.html ) at about 29 mins ?
Hi @drumchapelboy, many thanks for watching my video and commenting. To answer your question, I don't believe that any wax seals have been found from the Roman period. If anyone can correct me on this please reply. Thanks ! Matt
Yes, this makes the most sense. I truly believe this is the answer! Great explanation. Maybe the actual message was on a scroll or folded piece of parchment. but the method stay the same. the advance the wheel after every word is clever, but with this scheme, reasonable to assume. I would think this is done by the lost wax process with two metal patterns. How many dodecahedrons have been found? Since it's coding equipment, likely few. I would think that more would be found if this is NOT such gear
Thanks for your comments and reply @fixitlater. I believe that 33 dodecahedrons or fragments have been found in the UK and about 130 have been found worldwide
many thanks for your comment @__logan__duvalier__ . I think its important to consider that there may have been more than two dodecahedrons that were made identical to each other that could be distributed to the specific communication network as required. I believe that they were made by the lost wax process from the same cast. (see lost wax process vids) and then all the holes could be drilled out as the specific communication required.
@@Matt.GeevanThe lost wax process requires identical patterns made of wax. The wax is encased in clay or porcelain. The wax is then melted away to form the mould. Each mould is broken off the final casting. Thus it would be a challenge to make identical dodecahedrons by this process
@@__logan__duvalier__ as I understand it, the wax pattern and the mould are broken and lost when the item cools down and is removed from the mould. But the next wax pattern can also be cast from the 'Master' mould or pattern, and the next and next if required. The 'Master' mould is made in two halves. Hot wax is poured into the 'Master' mould, the wax cools, the 'Master' mould is split, any casting marks or 'flash' is removed from the wax model to give an acceptable quality of finish before going into the bronze casting mould. The hot bronze is poured into the mould. So all the wax patterns used to make a batch of Dodecahedrons can be identical. Yes, Dodecahedron casting process was no doubt challenging and costly ! Cheers Matt
@@Matt.Geevan the first stage is the standard casting process the second stage is the lost wax process. it is great to see that the mystery of the roman Dodecahedrons may be solved !
that is realy intersting if its not this its what i use to think it was as long as there has been women there has all ways been a need for point less things that look nice to put on a shelf
@@Matt.Geevan i always thought those had a coding use. I thought they were used to measure length of a string with knots on them. wound around the dodecahedron in a fixed set of patterns. This is a very interesting take. Have any discs been found anywhere?
@@reyalPRON thanks for your reply. I don't think that any discs have been found as yet, but as mentioned in my full version video, the discs were made of wood so that they could easily and quickly be destroyed by burning if necessary, so that the system could be kept secure and secret. As you may be aware, the Vindolanda Tablets found near Hadrian's Wall were almost overlooked as being just piles of charred remains of burnt wood. Cheers Matt
Absolutely brilliant thank you,for using your brilliant brain.
Glad you liked it!
A very interesting idea! The "turning" of the wheel at the end of the word would help a lot against trying to decode by assigning each symbol a letter (if you guess that the first word is HAIL you got 4 letters converted and so on...) In fact, your system remidns me of the enigma machine, with several rings and jumping a step after each letter. Good job!
The enigma was the first thing that came into my mind as well. The enigma was based on code books with the code of the day and moving parts, With the idea presented in this video, the code books would be replaced by the Dodecahedrons.
I'm very sure though that if this was their real purpose there would be some reference in some military handbook or other ancient literature...
Thanks @uweinhamburg - Yes, as you can imagine, coding and ciphers were in their infancy, this simple idea requires no day code, key, keyword or password to send and receive messages.
I don't think any drawings or manuals explaining 'how to use' were made of the system because it was a secret messaging system, and had to remain a secret from as many people as possible for as long as possible.
Cheers
YOU DON’T NEED THE DODECAHEDRON TO USE THAT SYSTEM.
Makes more sense than thinking it's a knitting device. I'd be interested in seeing corroborating evidence though.
Many thanks for your comments and interest, the evidence is in the full version at around 29 minutes
czcams.com/video/vBDgmE3d0aw/video.html
Best Regards
Some people really like to speculate!
many thanks @angelzipp
Have you been able to view my Part 4 which deals with the key answers to the key questions ? ( czcams.com/video/mILHAi8z1ec/video.html )
or the full version ( czcams.com/video/vBDgmE3d0aw/video.html ) at about 29 mins ?
have any wax seals like your one ever been found
Hi @drumchapelboy, many thanks for watching my video and commenting. To answer your question, I don't believe that any wax seals have been found from the Roman period. If anyone can correct me on this please reply.
Thanks !
Matt
Fascinating stuff!! I t would be so cool to go back in time to see if its true! This is a very clever system!
Thanks - yes, it would be great even for just a short time !
Yes, this makes the most sense. I truly believe this is the answer! Great explanation. Maybe the actual message was on a scroll or folded piece of parchment. but the method stay the same. the advance the wheel after every word is clever, but with this scheme, reasonable to assume. I would think this is done by the lost wax process with two metal patterns. How many dodecahedrons have been found? Since it's coding equipment, likely few. I would think that more would be found if this is NOT such gear
Thanks for your comments and reply @fixitlater. I believe that 33 dodecahedrons or fragments have been found in the UK and about 130 have been found worldwide
I have always been fascinated by coding and decoding and the intellect of those who produce it. Excellent job!
Many thanks for your comment !
Please look at the FULL VERSION of this video which includes a Challenge !
czcams.com/video/vBDgmE3d0aw/video.html
how did they make two dodecahedrons exactly the same as required for this method ?
many thanks for your comment @__logan__duvalier__ . I think its important to consider that there may have been more than two dodecahedrons that were made identical to each other that could be distributed to the specific communication network as required. I believe that they were made by the lost wax process from the same cast. (see lost wax process vids) and then all the holes could be drilled out as the specific communication required.
@@Matt.GeevanThe lost wax process requires identical patterns made of wax. The wax is encased in clay or porcelain. The wax is then melted away to form the mould. Each mould is broken off the final casting. Thus it would be a challenge to make identical dodecahedrons by this process
@@__logan__duvalier__ as I understand it, the wax pattern and the mould are broken and lost when the item cools down and is removed from the mould. But the next wax pattern can also be cast from the 'Master' mould or pattern, and the next and next if required.
The 'Master' mould is made in two halves.
Hot wax is poured into the 'Master' mould, the wax cools, the 'Master' mould is split, any casting marks or 'flash' is removed from the wax model to give an acceptable quality of finish before going into the bronze casting mould.
The hot bronze is poured into the mould.
So all the wax patterns used to make a batch of Dodecahedrons can be identical.
Yes, Dodecahedron casting process was no doubt challenging and costly !
Cheers
Matt
@@Matt.Geevan the first stage is the standard casting process the second stage is the lost wax process. it is great to see that the mystery of the roman Dodecahedrons may be solved !
Thanks for your comments and interest, Logan, I've just tried to follow the facts.
Matt
that is realy intersting if its not this its what i use to think it was as long as there has been women there has all ways been a need for point less things that look nice to put on a shelf
Thank you for your reply !
so cool
Thanks for your comment !
perhaps not have the dog in the room while recording?
thanks @reyalPRON I will remember this for my next video !
@@Matt.Geevan i always thought those had a coding use. I thought they were used to measure length of a string with knots on them. wound around the dodecahedron in a fixed set of patterns. This is a very interesting take. Have any discs been found anywhere?
@@reyalPRON thanks for your reply. I don't think that any discs have been found as yet, but as mentioned in my full version video, the discs were made of wood so that they could easily and quickly be destroyed by burning if necessary, so that the system could be kept secure and secret. As you may be aware, the Vindolanda Tablets found near Hadrian's Wall were almost overlooked as being just piles of charred remains of burnt wood.
Cheers
Matt
Please stop making this stuff up.
So why are you following each vid?