Mapping the Brain
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- čas přidán 8. 05. 2024
- A map of the entire human brain could help us understand where diseases come from, to how we store memories. But mapping the brain with today’s technology would take billions of dollars and hundreds of years. Learn what GR has already revealed about the brain, and how it's making it easier for scientists to-someday-reach this goal.
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Gf: “would you love me if I had 302 neurons?”
So 2 more than yours?!
You're worming your way into my heart.
Thats still too much cause you see neurons are interconnected, that means each thought you have is the result of a unique combination of neurons firing in a sequence and so 300 neurons can have a lot combinations still
took him 20 years to figure it out
@@GarviHere ok but 86 billion is just a little bit more than 300
Please create long form content around these types of research efforts!
Yes please do a show with multiple episodes of it!
The deep mind alphago documentary was pretty good
Yes. What we saw was an AD. I expected trailer to some AlphaZero-like doc.
YES!
Considering almost all of our problems come from our brains, building enough of a picture of it, to then assist with fixing it, seems like an extremely important endeavour.
It's verysimple, and tch giants are all a clickbait esp. this one whichs now on sale with this Indian CEO
@@GEMSofGOD_combro if it would be easy we would have created some small biological brain every ai is just prediction of word and prediction of pixel for image. How we think how neurones do it why cat with half neurones seems smater than dog. Whats the chemistry behind it...
@@nikitapatel6820 mapping the brain != modeling the brain @ 100%. Why the first task been long to achieve is laziness and lies. The second task is a task for the next 15 years
Fix, nudge, callibrate, or influence the brain maybe. Sometimes there isn’t anything to fix, but you want to be closer to neurotypical maybe
We already have the solutions
Netflix needs to pick this up and make an entire series out of it.
@@ferdinand.keller why? that copy wouldn't be you. but also, if we have that level of technology, the better way to go about it is to replace the dying parts of the brain with mechanical parts. why not augment our brain with mechanical brain cells? by slowly swapping out neuron by neuron, cell by cell, in the brain over a long time, you will always be you even after the brain has become fully mechanical.
nah, blank slate theory isnt' real. We brain scans with hardwired behvaiour etc
There is already kind of a series of that already. It's called.. I don't remember.. Athen's War or something? It is about human brains being transformed into digital data through lasers scanning by removing the physical brain.
@@axisaligned9799 Sounds like the ship of Theseus.
Hypothetically, if someone goes through a star trek transporter, are they the same consciousness when they get re-materialized on the other side? I would say yes.
@@175griffin no, the span of time is what matters. If you are instantaneously deleted & rebuilt on the other side, it is a clone
Fascinating! Imagine after mapping human brain neurons, like we did for the human genome, we could design a new artificial neural network architecture, way better than a transformer. Then, today's LLMs would seem like a dial-up modem for the internet!
Or do important things for humans like cure disease?
nah human suffering is trivial in the face of corporate greed
@@ZazeLoveRight! Our purpose in life must line up with the economy. That’s the whole purpose of evolution. I’m glad to be alive
@@ZazeLove Amen brother, why cure human diseases when you can generate profit. The invislbe hand of the free market will heal our spirits.
We cannot measure a measurement. We cannot map the concentomics of the brain because the timing of connectivity is constantly changing. thus, we cannot measure change other than call it changing the x change. Brains do the ephemeral Timing ~~ Thinking
Obviously the content itself and the research these guys are doing is amazing, but the quality of the motion graphics and editing of this video was spectacular
Across the Pond creative agency!
yeah for real 😆
I had 185 Electric SHOCK Treatments and didn't know the damage that was done to the neurons in the brain right away. It took years to learn to do things in different ways
But the brain is amazing!! & resilient!! I am coming 77 and have learned a new set of communicating skills. We have only scratched the surface of what the regenerating power of the mind is. All the Best Researchers your in an exciting Field of research!!
All the Best JS
3:53 The fact that the brain being mapped here is of a fruit fly is mind boggling; the structure and complexity that forms such a dumb little fly puts so many things into perspective. What a beautiful visualization of this research.
Oh for sure.
Without so much societal gunk in the way of our brains functioning I think humans could be so much more mentally.
3:39 the excitement of a kid and years of experience that made him explain like even a layman could understand.... Beautiful ❤️
nah, blank slate theory isnt' real. We brain scans with hardwired behvaiour etc
Ow, my neurons!
Seriously though, this is actually overwhelming. I've been immersed in machine learning and LLMs lately, and from that current perspective I can see how fast this research could ramp up. The visualization algorithms are beautiful, and I can barely imagine the advantages that come from applying machine learning and influence. You're really creating an AI modality all it's own.
What a time to be alive.....😌
with evil corp controlling your brain?
There will be cypher punks in every era. The crypto bros of today will be the freedom fighters of tomorrow resisting the thought police with their open source encrypted brain computer interfaces @@darkhorse29-yx8qh
This is dr karojohnifahir🥴
@@AmanVerma-zg5iwKaroly Zsolnai Feher you mean
@@Gaukh 2 minute papers.
Kudos to you guys for actually helping humanity progress. No kidding. SALUTE...
This the type of stuff billionaires should be investing in, especially the govt.
Don't ever forget they. Own the. Printing press and the currency they have printed..
Thank you for working on such an amazing project!❤ This will truly have an big impact on our world!
Incredible. These people are geniuses.
This is amazing cant wait to see a full mouse brain soon
whoever did the sound design on this video, BANGER. Great sound design. bee brain is cool too
Inspiring
evil corp is inspiring? Mind Control bro
@@darkhorse29-yx8qh
I don't know their intentions, but the pure technology side of it is truly inspiring..
@@pranitmane maybe, depends on how its used.
@@darkhorse29-yx8qhsmoke less bro
@@EchterBonito what do you think chat GPT is? It's just a solid state version of the brain. Somebody's brain. You can ask it props and it replies back through software that accesses that memory. You have no idea what you're getting into or what they are doing
I want more :D Felt like this video stopped kinda early
I'm curious what additional insights were gleamed from mapping the worm to the fly. Does the mapping allow us to determine why the fly behaves like it does? How does the mapping indicate that?
imaging the wiring is incredible. how about the next step of imagine the chemical components and reactions?
which is all gonna be just a matter of time with the current rate of advancements.
U mean neurochemistry?
The development of the brain is fascinating. My interest more closely latches on to how this affects learning of languages.
There is a fad for tesching "natural learning", as a toddler learns to speak. I accept thas this often can work; but a human's brain maturation undergoes several bouts of 'rewiring' by the time an individual reaches, say, 25 y.o.
It defies common sense that a mature brain learn in the same way as one taking its first intellectual footsteps; and yet, that typically is how language is taught.
🤯Can they fully simulate a 300 neuron virtual worm, with muscle movements, and behavior❓
What have they learned❓
Will the simulator be Open source❓
Good question.
I think they did that, but what I saw was a long time ago... this is old info
How many cells are there to simulate?
Doubt it. + this is very old info.❗
It could be done, but Open Worm lacks funding. Weird that the government went to the moon but doesn't see the promise of brain like ai.
I really want to contribute to this! I hope that the mapping of a human brain will happen within my lifetime!!!
Thanks for that incredibly cool Video ❤
But how do you understand what those connections actually mean? At this mouse scale this must be automated partially too, right???
Very interesting ...
These are pretty cool researches, hopefully they map out the human brain soon
With current technology it will take 100 years, so
@@MartinAngelucci With AI I think we can catch up exponentially although mapping human brain will also be an order higher I think technology is moving way faster now so may be only few decades if not years..
Awesome work.
Phenomenal milestone.
Quite impressive. Sensing AlphaBrain on its way!
It will be interesting to see whether this will lead to improvements in artificial neural network architectures. Currently spiking neural networks are mostly separate from the state of the art DL architectures and algorithms.
Greatest time to be alive, in nxt 50-60 yr , we probably gonna see something awesome happening.
10 years. Neuromorphics and brain simulations are scaling fast.
Behold people who aren't wasting their lives on trivial pursuits. Kudos to these scientists.
What a time to be alive.
This would really help in neurotechnology to develop Neural Interfaces one we know more and more about how the brain works! Hopefully it’s solved soon! Good luck!
Also brain simulations. Once there is a goid enough brain model, it is trivial to scale it further.
@@jonatand2045 could you explain further what you mean by that?
excited to see the progress
Quantum computing holds the potential to revolutionize our understanding of the human brain. Quantum computers can potentially simulate complex neural networks and brain processes more efficiently than classical computers. This capability could enable researchers to model and understand brain functions at a level of detail and complexity that was previously unattainable.
Well technically the brain does work on a quantum level as well but that doesn't mean it will be easy
Incredible
Wish you good luck in research!
This is awesome
Could you translate the graph of the fruit fly brain to a neural network architecture? Would there be any interest in doing this?
I'm sure it would be super interesting for robotics sake. To find optimal structures for controlling movements and coordination for example.
We should map everything including all tissues, biological structures and blood vessels
I would say we have, only the brain is left :)
Good work, if this is for good intentions, then google will receive many praises for this
I wonder how the human brain is structured when it understands its own brain structure? 🧠🔁👀
I like the idea, so much potential !
thank you google for funding such important research in the persute of human endevor, hopefully one day I can work alongside these brilliant minds :)
What a time to be alive ! 🎉❤❤❤
Great science! Keep it up!
I think being able to map the brain and comprehensively understand how it ticks is both incredibly exciting and full of potential whilst also terrifying, imagine advertising firms knowing EXACTLY how to manipulate your mind... scary stuff.
Google should definitely look in to selling ads then since they are doing this small side project from their search engine already! Then they should make phones
i love it, one step closer to mind upload
what is wrong with you?
It seems slicing the should not move the cells, or slices so much that correlation with marching cubes, should solve the registration of slices followed by 3D reconstruction.
Amazing
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Impressive !!!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙏🏻👏🏻
Fantastic
The need for this type of research is a no brainer 😉
As a masters in Data Science student, what facets would you like me to focus on so that I would be able to contribute to this kind of research/ do this kind of research?
Also, this is hugeeee!!! Kudos!
It would be great to learn what causes migraines. From my experience, a change in sleep pattern triggers mine, but the question is why?
All credit goes to the people working on this and lastly google research.
I wonder, if and when we have a good enough model, could a model of a human brain functionally replace large language models as the standard for truly intelligent AI?
I don’t think so. Might have to be the other way around. The biological brain has a lot of nonlinear dynamics that normally parallelized neural networks can’t. Hardware limitation.
@@theuserofdoom I agree! It seems that by design LLMs are potentially more powerful than the human brain! Imagine merging 5 human brains into one! That is kind of scary!
@@Create-The-Imaginable that's an interesting concept. I'm basing my scatterbrain idea, pun intended, on a video that I watched a little while ago called the evolution of intelligence, which seemed to imply how biological brains started by recognizing very simple patterns in equally simple sensory information, then gradually built up the complexity of both inputs and outputs until finally arriving at the ability to use language input and language output. By comparison, as far as I understand large language models basically do the reverse, starting with language inputs and outputs and trying to convert that into a lower abstraction level model.
Copying and pasting the architecture of human brains would be a pretty existential horror kind of thing to do. You'd be basically making a virtualized person without a body, or a very bad simulacrum of one.
There's already plenty of existential horror in making mechanical slaves that ENJOY being slaves.
I think truly gestalt multi-modal systems can be built in the future. A more perfect allegory of the cave. Things like a motor cortex require other kinds of intelligence to train and direct them, true AGI requires a fair mix of domain optimizers plugged into one another.
The problem, as it ever is, is scale. GPT-4's parameter count is comparable to a squirrel. Not a lot of money in spending 300+ billion dollars on making a squirrel that can run around in an imaginary virtual space. When systems like that are cheap enough to fool around with various experiments, more and more would be learned.
Of course they seem to be more interested in the "let's just build god before someone else does first" route, with the rumors of this Stargate thing.
@@Create-The-Imaginable How could that possible when each person has its on beliefs, such as politics, religion, family, friends, etc? I don't think biases can be unified. General knowledge in subjects like math or geography could be, which we already have now.
This is quite interesting
Cool!
I love neuroglancer. Thank you!
150 years since Darwin and still nobody has noticed the obvious, outward, mechanical difference between human and animal combat - one uses objects recursively, one does not. The two kinds of "aggression" are simply seen as some kind of continuum, and an AI-based brain map will only further this perspective. It'll be a fun tool, but until there's a change in observing and understanding humans overall, that's all it'll be.
0:15 - You can see tons of excitement on his face -_-
certainly thought provoking, inspiring but this is dumbing my thoughts down, maybe i need to find a better way to watch this video ro find a better place to learn.
This is very cool.
amazing content!
"What an era to be alive!"
Boggles the mind that even today, this very moment as i am writing these words, there are dualists that believe in substrateless consciousness.
lol those that worked without a map and still found and created crazy stuff are true pioneers
It’s crazy that even with our advanced technologies and transistor density we are still far away to have 1 exabyte of memory in a size comparable to a human brain. Reproducing the human brain functionality for technology could be an end level supercomputer. Much better than quantum computers, low energy usage and incredible memory
Ahh I wish there was like a whole series
LLMs and the current advances in AI will also give us insights. how is information encoded, processed, stored etc. whats the most efficient and intelligent AI models and why they perform better could give clues as to how the brain is structured and how we process things. Human language and LLMchatbots apparently tell us a lot about thinking.
100kto 71m? 710X? HOw long for human!
Considering the current advancement of AI and the fact that it can already read brains means it's definitely not gonna take any more than a decade to fully map the brain.
That's a Nobel prize waiting
So can you make a tiny ornithopter that is controlled by a simulation of a fruit fly brain? That's the kind of test that will show we're getting there.
If we can elucidate the operating principles of even just the mouse cerebral cortex, we may be able to feed back the algorithms that form the basis of AGI from there.
However, this will require more than just mapping the brain's nerves; it will require extensive hypothesis testing to identify mathematical theories.
What happened tot he Blue Brain Project? That was also an effort to scan the mouse/rat brain.
The Blue Brain Project is ending this December. It's strange to see so many ongoing efforts in whole brain reconstructions and simulations without anyone ever mentioning the Blue Brain Project...
This is why you get ads for what you're thinking about! 🗣️
aw man they only talked about the complications and technology and not the science they understood until now
Wel come
Haha jokes on you, my memory is stored outside on a DB in the simulation 😂
Jokes apart, great work! Keep going and we'll definitely understand the structure of what I call "organic supercomputer" one day for sure.
Nice
I love you google
this is the only thing the technology harvester needs to complete its duty. trust in the process. these people unknowingly serve the technology harvester
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I'm sure we will still want to map the entire human brain 🧠 even if we completely mapped the mouse 🐁 brain.
neuroglazer? Does anybody have a link to that tool to visualize the data?
Hopefully we can find out how and where consciousness is actually stored in the brain and maybe we can somehow simulate that part of the brain within a computer or something then humans would truly be immortal.
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Did someone create a digital representation of the fly coonectome and put it in a virtual world?
That should surface a lot of the encoded info.
An approximate body might do.
Google and their research is great. But on a different note, where they go wrong is they don't create new research accessible to public. AI has been in the background of Google's products since ages but OpenAI brought it into the hands of the general public. Thats what matters. Thereby, now Google is playing catch up to OpenAI.
AI and “social existence, social experience, social consciousness”.
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wow it feels so nice all technology that humanity reached so far ; yet we still know so little about our own brains .
Comparing to the age of the universe, the technological era wouldn't even account for 0.1%.
Early jump on how to pipe commercials directly into the brain with no possibility of Ad blocking . Nice ! Get the jump on the OL ' money pig. Science moves forward. How nice. :O)
Awareness is known by awareness alone.
Curious if this research was done under the Google Brain organization?
💥 You don't need to map the whole human brain to understand it. Just a few portions are necessary to understand the processes like storage, retrieval, as long as you study the right places. 🙏👍