HIGHLY CONTROVERSIAL MATCH! Did the Judges get it right? Lock-Jaw vs. Skorpios | BattleBots
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It's Robot Fighting Time!
Were the Judges right, or were they dead wrong?
Watch this match between Lock-Jaw and Skorpios and let us know what you think!
Whatever the case, this was a friendly exhibition match, live from the recent Amazon re:MARS party.
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Is not about how hard you hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. - Rocky Balboa
matter of fact there are no points for durability, but there are points for dealing damage. so i guess its about how hard u hit, not how long u can survive.
u just need to be able to move for the full 3min, otherwise u are knocked out, and noone got knocked out here
Just put some firecracker into your bot and you have the spectacle that the show runners want.
This isn't rocky
@@yuvboghani
Yup. I doubt any of the virgins watching this have ever been in a fistfight in their lives.
“Beep boop beep boop” - Some Robot
The most controversial match was ducks match last year where the opposing team said duck should have won.
You mean the six team rumble? The one that bombshell won?
@@nathanlokken6755 That might be the one, duck had a rematch this year and ended up winning 1v1.
You mean the one where Duck did literally no damage because they didn't have any weapons and all of the other bots did the damage to each other?
TheRealConcertKing SHUT UP NERD
@@TheRealConcertKing Duck at least survived the whole time. Bombshell didn't move for half the fight and conveniently started back up with ten seconds left on the clock. But hey, he got two punches in! 🙄
Donald should be given an award for the most humble participant. He should have clearly spoken like Rucker did last season.
I agree. Yes LockJaw dominated that fight but in the end it kinda killed itself. Meanwhile Skorpios took the beating and survived.
I agree its kinda like saying duck shoulda lost to cobalt.
The reason it killed itself is because how much power they were putting into their hits
i agree with you
If a race car blows its motor and coasts across the finish line, did it not still complete the race?
@@Coyotekins Did Skorpios cause the damage to Lock-Jaw? Nope. That's clear as day.
One of the robots caught on fire internally and was destroyed. How can there be an argument against that. One robot could move and the other couldn’t.
@Sparka J they haven't always done countdowns for incapacitation by internal fire
First there's countdowns for that, second he was able to move even with the internal fire.
The most important point in judging matches that went the full length is the damage done with the primary weapon.
Lock-Jaw smashed Scorpios in that regard, therefore they should have won.
@@LeBoomStudios Well, Lockjaw was seen to be nearly incapacitated for the second half of the match and fully incapacitated for about the last 13 seconds. That seems pretty obvious that full incapacitation would take priority over damage from the primary weapon
@@tristen9736 It may seem intuitively obvious, but the rules are not written in such a way that supports that intuition. I have no strong opinion here, but it bothers me that people are saying things like the result is obvious or there's no argument. Clearly it's a conversation
@@blacktimhoward4322
Tbh this simply looks to be a problem in the rules themselves. If a bot makes it to the end simply because the countdown didn't start, that should be taken into consideration for the final result.
I think Lock-Jaw wins on hit points, Skorpios wins on survival. Depends on what gives more points...
There are NO points for survival dude. 3 for damage, 2 for aggression, 2 for control. Lockjaw clearly defeated Scorpios in all three heads
LazärheaD damage/hits
Lock-Jaw was technically KO'd just before the buzzer. Even though Lock-Jaw completely dominated the fight, Skorpios won by knock-out.
@@isthissiddh You're right, but Lock-Jaw being knocked out right at the end is a definitive win for Skorpios. Otherwise, Lock-Jaw completely dominated the fight, with a working weapon for all but the last 5 seconds, before the buzzer. It was the right call by the judges.
@Beck Petersen control is not about controlling your own bot. Its about controlling the match. Lockjaw bullies scorpios around the ring the whole time until it smoked out. Even then, scorpios still didnt push lockjaw around. Control points to lockjaw. Plus scorpios got its saw bent. So at least 1 damage point to lockjaw. And they each get an aggression point. So 4-3 lockjaw
Skorpion may have been taking Many hits but he kept almost functional the whole match thats what matters to me.
I feel that it was Scorpio's plan to try and burn out Lockjaw's motor. That's why he kept running strait into the spinner.
No his weapon broke in the 2nd hit
Agreed
@@KingDugan z
What do you mean. It's main weapon was fucked up by lockjaw in the beginning of the round. No main weapon no points.
It didn't look like lock jaw was functioning during the last few seconds. Had there been more time left, he would have been counted out.
But there was no more time left
If... but there wasn't time for a count out and as far as I know there isn't a knock-out count AFTER time expires.
Even if that had happened it wouldn't have been because of anything scorpio did.
But there wasn't any time left. Winners aren't chosen on "what if's"
So what? That doesn't matter in scoring. He was aggressive the whole right, he had control the whole fight, and he destroyed Skorpis's wheel, weapon, and front plow. What damage did Skorpios actually do besides 2 seconds of fire at the end of the match? NONE.
I feel like Lockjaw's most frequent problem is usually self inflicted damage or electrical failure. Otherwise it is driven so well and such a strong competitor. Its sad when bots loose due to reliability issues rather than actual damage inflicted
Lose: opposite of win. Loose: opposite of tight.
@@missoula2213 Looose: opposite of making sense
Now this, is why we love battle bots, not only for the bot battles, but *for the announcers*
I don’t agree with the decision.
Damage: Lockjaw (3) - the rules say “It is not considered Damage if an opponent BattleBot inadvertently harms itself.”
Control: Split
Aggression: Split
Lockjaw wins 5-2 in my opinion
if your bot is on fire and not moving at the end... you lose :P
Petrino not by these rules...
@@petrino exactly what Ziwei said: "not by the rules"
I feel as is scorpios was more aggressive
the_random_gamer personally, I think LJ was more aggressive in the beginning, and then Skorpios became more aggressive at the end
I think judgement was correct, yeah Lock-Jaw inflicted some good damage, but Skorpios took the hits and was still mobile and ready for more at the end, whereas Lock-Jaw was immobilized and burning by the end
And yet still not counted out. Your judgement is ridiculous.
You lose of you cant move
Lockjaw didnt look like it could move
i think there's a big difference between "bot that hits the other guy so hard it catches fire from strained internals" and "bot that's so durable it finished that fight with little more than a busted rim and bent disc", and the difference is that one of those bots is clearly either built better or just not bein strained past its limits by its team
Looked like Lock Jaw won to me. Was fun to watch. Great video
I love lockjaw, let me say that. But
Lockjaw may have had an offensive domination, but to consider that the primary metric of victory is flawed. Self inflicted damage may not count, but consider if this were a five minute match. During the 2 minutes and 8 seconds lockjaw would have been on fire, regardless of if scorpio did any further damage or not, lockjaw would have ceased function and lost anyway.
If a bot cannot survive it's operation, that's either a flaw in the bot's design or the pilot's control over the bot. That should be considered in deciding the victor.
Meanwhile, despite being struck over and over, scorpio's heavy armor kept it functioning despite the loss of it's primary weapon. You can't tell me a bot that shrugs off it's opponents primary strategy so well isn't successful.
In summation, scorpio was of the perfect strategy to counter lockjaw's strategy, and the pilot's decision to max out all systems without piloting such to account for the increased heat resulted in a self knockout, and that needs to be considered.
skorpios didnt actually do any damage. Lock-jaw just took itself out
a win is a win!
My breakdown:
Damage: 3 for Lockjaw - Scorpios didn't cause the damage that made Lockjaw burst into flames, so Scorpios doesn't get any points for that.
Control: 1 for Lockjaw and 1 for Scorpios - Lockjaw was in control for most of the fight, but Scorpios gained control after the fire, so the points should be split between them.
Aggression: 2 for Scorpios - Scorpios was definitely going after Lockjaw more throughout the fight, so I think it should get both points.
So, my conclusion is that it should be 4 for Lockjaw and 3 for Scorpios. Lockjaw obviously won on damage since Scorpios' weapon was broken most of the fight and it didn't cause the fire. Scorpios was more aggressive in my opinion because they were constantly going after Lockjaw, even if they caused no damage. Despite being the more aggressive of the two, for most of the match Scorpios was just getting knocked around. It only gained control towards the end when Lockjaw's battery caught on fire and could barely move. So, since both of them had large amounts of time where they had control of the match, the points should be split between them.
that is a good point. the problem here is a bit deeper. you can say "damage from aponjonint" but than what about using the battle box hazards? if you lose your weapon, but you manage to shove the opponent into the hazards, and they take massive amounts of damage, do you not get points for damage because you did not do it with your main weapon? what about a full body spinner breaking itself when it hits you. do you not get points because it was not your weapon that did the damage?
@@159asmos if you DO shove the bots to the hazard box and clearly made damage, then you gain points for whay you do. But here they dont get hit in the hazard box pretty much most of the time in this match. Most likely only get hit by the wall flipper at the near end of the match but only just a nudge barely does damage. And it happens only once So dont think that one deserve points. You clearly dont gain damage points for the damage done not done by you except for some things like you make the house bots go rogue or you shove the bots to the traps like the pits, flippers etc and the traps do their job. What made LJ break down is clearly the fault of the one that engineered it.
I do believe they judge them by the damage tho. Its like playing fighting games, the one with less hp loses. LJ clearly broke down severely especially at the last second(the buzzer saved the bot). So the damage is done to itself more than skorpius. And being more immobile than skorpius takes the points too. Thus the decision by the judges kinda understandable in a way.
@@TheFatedLoner i was not talking about this match specifically. i was saying if you went strictly by the wording "caused by the main weapon" then hazards wont count. however i looked at the rules. you get points if you caused it to get hit. (push him into the thing hazzard) but not if he hits is on acadint.
however i found the rule that is directly related to this match.
Robots can still rejoin rumbles if they can come back to life, but the new clause "In the specific case where only one Robot is Responsive at the end of a Rumble Match, that Robot will be declared the winner by Knock-Out" has been added to alleviate previous rumble issues.
i can not find the actual rules, just someone on reddit sharing the rule changes.
@@159asmos yeah thats what i meant by the 'except'. If you do make them get damage at hazards, you get points. If its self inflicted, nope.
And yes that rule clause is there but still experimental. So its not really 'there to the public'. You know what i mean? So people are still unsure of it like most of us here. 😂
Actually, when two robots get into a ramming match and one motor overheats and catches fire it's not entirely a self-inflicted wound. The fire is caused at least in part by the excessive strain put on the motor by the other robot. Maybe you don't give as many points as you do for disabling the other robot's weapon, but still it deserves partial credit for the damage.
Lockjaw owned Scorpios the entire fight and was still mobile till the end so he should've won.
And by owned you mean stayed mostly in place?
The Outlier I agree!
Mobile? On fire not being able to move is mobile? What the heck is immobile?
At about mid fight, Lockjaw wasn't moving anymore. It just LOOKED like there was still a fight going on because Skorpios kept coming at him. All Skorpios had to do was back away and let everyone see that Lockjaw wasn't moving, just the weapon was spinning, and it would be clear there was no contest. Not to take anything away from Donald, but his bot was done.
3 points damage lockjaw, because scorpios did not make any damage with his main weapon
1-1 controle, both bot had as mutch control in my opinion
1-1 agression, both bot had almost as mutch agression, even when scorpios had a tad more agression in my opinion, so that is 5-2 for lock jaw, even when you count a 2-0 for agression for lockjaw scorpios would have won. So the judges where wrong in my opinion
I think this was the battle bots equivalent of a fighter punching himself out. If you put it under a microscope and look at the judging criteria you could make a textbook case that Lockjaw won. In reality, seeing a robot burst into flames is going to make a much bigger impact on the judges and when a show uses celebrity judges one should expect even more subjectivity to things like that. It is what it is, moral of the story is try not to set your own bot on fire
The driver of Lockjaw was a moron to keep the main weapon moving after it started smoking.
youll burn the brushes up faster trying to get it moving repeatedly....once it's moving inertia can take over and remove load.
I think it was something with the mobility, the main weapon was functioning fine the whole time.
@@throttleblipsntwistedgrips1992 It's a brushed motor? You know that?
The weapon and drivetrain power systems may be on independent circuits.
well the systems are separate. so the main weapon had zero to do with the smoking drive train failure.
Given how often Lock Jaw smoked or burned during the televised season this year but still won, I feel like he should have won this one. Had the match gone another 10 seconds and he been counted out it would be different but he dominated in control, aggression and damage so this should have gone to him
Since there was no KO, the judges should not have taken the smoke and fire of Lock-Jaw into account.
The smoke and fire indicate damage to internal systems. That might count.
smoke and fire was before the buzzer. if you view was blocked the moment the buzzer went off, what bot would you say was in better condition. just because there was no count out, does not mean the judges aren't allowed to identify the damage. if the bot was moving, and it died after the buzzer, that is a different case.
the real debate is. does that damage count because it was not Skorpios that did the damage.
@@159asmos That's exactly my point. Damages were not caused by Skorpios, and should not be taken into account, unless there was a KO.
Lock-Jaw was technically KO'd right at the last 5 seconds, before the buzzer. The judges made the right decision, even though Lock-Jaw absolutely dominated this fight, right up until the last few seconds.
That's right, however it has not been counted down by the referee. It then can't be judged as a KO, right ?
Its not about how hard you can hit, but rather how hard you can get hit. 💯
"Take us through the fight" *gives us a whole background story*
Should've gone to Lock-Jaw. The fire was self-inflicted damage and unlike the Tombstone Rotator fight, Lock-Jaw dominated its opponent.
I know almost 3/4 of the crowd was booing
At the end of the match they were completely still and on fire.
90% of the match Lock-Jaw was winning.
The final 1% of the match Lock-Jaw was dead.
@@shanerooney7288 doesn't mean that lockjaw lost
@@shadowhawk-1005
Being on fire and unresponsive doesn't constitute a loss? Please elaborate.
@@shanerooney7288 ok if you take it to the judges and do the most damage and die at the last second but not knocked out then there is your win
Lock Jaw did more damage with the primary weapon, so I think the decision was incorrect
damage to itself*
@Mathcoolb Lockjaw was never counted out (ten count) for immobilization. They dominated the entire battle. I don't know how the judges scored it, but I would l like to see those sheets.
When you finish the match in flame, it tend to lower your score quite a bit. Without that fire, the match was all Lockjaw's. Had the fire started about second earlier, it would have been a count down and KO in favour of Skorpios.
Both team captains showed excellent sportsmanship in the interviews at the end.
*Ok let me break this down for you statistically from what happened: Total hits from what I counted from PRIMARY WEAPON on the bot as being functional (as being judged if the weapon is non functional it does not count.. i.e Skorpios' saw after it stops being a saw..):*
*Lockjaw:* 29
*Skorpios:* 2
*Lockjaw flips over Skorpios a total of 15 times. 2 full flip overs and 1 double flip over in the air*
*Lockjaw's main weapon battery was running so long and dishing out so much damage it started smoking NOT caused by other bot directly. Primary weapon does not stop and fire starts at very end of match... again never caused by other bot who had its primary weapon fail which ALSO COUNTS for the 'control' part of scoring. Your primary weapon is part of your robots control not just steering....*
Damage is the biggest point factor. Just because your main weapon still moving doesn't mean it was being aggressive. Being aggressive also racks up points.
I like how that everyone has a pretty good attitude even during controversial decisions.
Good observation.
Plus they all know and respect each other.
Lets look at to my points,
Lock-jaw: Damage 3 ( Skorpios got destroyed )
Aggresion 1 ( Hit and Run tactic made it a bit less )
Control 2 ( Driving was perfect, Hit and run, damaging wheels, acts like escaping then delivering a punch )
Skorpios: Damage 0 ( Self inflicted damage doesn't count )
Aggression 2 ( it always attacked and kept pressure )
Control 1 ( Strategy wasn't great, took so much unnecesary hits )
Okay maybe Lock-jaw burned but did it survive ? It did. Lets say Lock jaw killed itself in the end of the match. I can't see a difference between a burned out Lock-jaw and a Skorpios has damaged wheels, half of the front wedge and weapon.
Conclusion: Survivability: Lock-Jaw = Skorpios
Points: Lock-jaw > Skorpios
With Math and my personal opinion: LOCK-JAW
You could comment your own points :)
Reminder the judging criteria is 3 for damage, 2 for aggression and 2 for control. Considering the fact lockjaw destroyed scorpios’s weapon system and the damage on his own drive train was cause by itself. It’s 3-0 damage for lockjaw imo. They both went after each other with similar levels of aggression which makes it 1-1 for me. Then the one who controlled the fight felt like lockjaw because scorpios’s weapon went out early. Forced them into a wedge bot so 2-0. For me it felt like it should be a 6-1 obvious win for lockjaw but you guys can put your verdict arguments in the replies.
I think staying power is also important, and scorpios made his willpower manifest!
Lock-Jaw should have won. It's was aggressive, doing more damage, and some control.
Lock-Jaw owned the battle, but lost by knock-out, right at the very end. A knock-out scored the win for Skorpios, no matter the difference in points. If Lock-Jaw would have held out through the buzzer, he would be the clear winner.
@@vincentrobinette1507 But there wasn't a countdown, was there?
Vincent Robinette How is it a knockout when the bot was never counted down?
@@hoominbeeing "Lock-Jaw" failed too late for a count down to occur before the buzzer. The judges can base their decision on the fact, that "Lock-Jaw" was completely disabled, just before the buzzer. It takes at least 30 seconds, for the referee to recognize the immobility, give the warning, then, finally issue the count down. "Lock-Jaw" remained somewhat functional, up until the last 5 seconds or so.
Another viewer commented, that the new rules for 2019 allow the judges to determine a knock-out, right at the buzzer. I haven't looked it up myself, but I do believe it.
@@hoominbeeing There was no time for a count down, because "Lock-Jaw" showed motion right up until the last 5 seconds or so. The judges are allowed to factor that in, when there's just no time between the failure, and the buzzer, for a formal count down. Another viewer commented, that the buzzer does not protect a failed robot from a knock out. The judges get to make that decision.
If Lock-Jaw wasn't knocked out, then the damage and control it had should have been an easy win.
In my opinion, Skorpios definitely deserves to win that. Even though their weapon was damaged, smart driving made sure that all of Lockjaw’s attacks landed on the heavy front armor, which ended up doing more damage to itself.
If I understand the rules correctly, rocking back and forth doesn’t count as movement. The video doesn’t show the clock which would make things easier but they did say there were only 13 seconds left around the time Lockjaw stopped moving (only rocking back and forth on one side). So if it stopped moving with more than 10 seconds left then the ref should have counted it out. If there was less than 10 seconds left then Lockjaw wins. Just my opinion
There wasn't enough time for a countout. It's 20 seconds for a countout with the last 10 being said aloud. 13 seconds isn't enough time.
MasterMarik yeah I just looked up the rules. Forgot it’s 20 seconds with last 10 counted out loud
Beck Petersen Correct, section 7.5.3 d says if both refs agree then they don’t need a countdown. But I don’t think there was enough time for both refs to talk and agree. While this rule is probably for cases where bots are engulfed in flames like lockjaw I’m guessing the refs need more than 10 seconds to discuss and make a decision
Judges made the right call. Scorpios was the only bot still moving when the clock hit zero.
I like how the Scorpio team dances around the fact that they did barely anything to lock jaw but won because of a fluke breakdown.
I disagree. If the bot breaks itself, whats the good of it?
@@gabe8168 It usually doesn't though. That's why it's a fluke. Scorpio team never got a hit in. They literally won because they were lucky. Any bot can break down, some are just more likely than others.
But the Scorpio team didn't acknowledge this and pretended that they did something.
@@warwickthekingmaker7281 maybe the scorpio guys are dancing because how good their luck is.
@@warwickthekingmaker7281 the fire started because the motors and drives overheated BECAUSE of the pressure and constant attacks from scorpios
Put lockjaw in the box for 3 minutes and drive it around it'll be fine but when it came to head to head durability of armor and internals lockjaw just couldn't survive
@@bastionunitb7388 no it overheated because the engine was overclocked in preparation for the fight which turned out to be a mistake.
Lockjaw got knocked out, it's on fire and can't continue the fight, it doesn't matter who is the most damaged but who is the last alive
No KO was declared. It went to the time limit.
He was not counted out, that does not matter
If you can't complete the match, you can't complete the match. Be it by a second or a minute. The right call was made.
Damage done by the primary weapon is what matters. BattleBots isn’t supposed to be how durable you are, it’s how destructive you are.
I guess if you’re watching it live and just see Lock-Jaw begin to self-destruct like that at the end of the match, while Skorpios still moves around like the fight just started, it could be hard to ignore
"Bash the spinner until it stops working" is a legitimate strategy to beat a spinner if your armor is thick enough, and "being able to take your own recoil" is an important part of designing a bot. Even Tombstone has gotten killed like that.
Lockjaw always gets screwed.
yeah wrong decison there skorpios's weapon packed up so he should have lost due to that cause an inactive weapon counts against them
Lockjaw definitely controlled the entire match right up until the end, got way more hits with its primary weapons, and pretty quickly knocked Scorpios weapon out of commission. Maybe he shouldn’t have won, but it definitely should have been a much closer decision. I’d have given it to him
I mean...lockjaw was on fire lmfao
Love the respect between competitors!
Great sportsmanship.
Lockjaw: Call an ambulance but not for...oh dear god call an ambulance
I didn't watch this concurrently, or live, so I don't really know how it went down, or by whom it was called. In addition to the judges, there are "BattleBots Officials", and sections of the rules identify these officials to be people other than the judges, so I dunno' who else decides matches, or if this also includes the referees. I think the clause which I excerpted from 7.5.4 of the 2019 Tournament Rules pertains most to the decision.
(There's more in here about Counting Out which I did not include):
"7.5.3 Single Incapacitation KnockOut
[...Counting Out Stuff...]
The Referees’ decision in regards to when an Incapacitated Robot is deemed Knocked Out shall be final
and not subject to challenge or appeal."
"7.5.4 Non-Responsive Count Termination
Referees have the option of terminating a count early if both Referees agree that a Robot or MultiBot
segment is non-Responsive and obviously will not recover."
(This is for Rumble Matches, and may not pertain):
"7.7.6 Single Robot Responsive
In the specific case where only one Robot is Responsive at the end of a Rumble Match, that Robot will be
declared the winner by Knock-Out."
lock jaw was immobile in the end scorpio was moving, easy decision
Yeah wtf is this "controversy"? Imagine a boxer getting knocked out but still winning the fight because he landed more punches in previous rounds
@@Tmcclernon I dont think thats really a fair comparison. This would be like Mike Tyson dominating in a match only to collapse from a heart attack halfway through.
@@rhysjonsmusic I mean would you call it for either competitor if one of them had to be rushed to the hospital? Since battlebots is a fight to the death and boxing isn't i'd compare it more to Mike Tyson collapsing from exhaustion. Should the fighter who collapses really win just because they got more hits?
It almost sounds like theres a colosseum of 200,000 people cheering. It's impressive how they all keep making the same exact 2 "OHH" sounds. Such coordination.
oh look, Skorpios wins the Duck impersonation contest
If this was a boxing match, it would be obvious that the judges made the right call here.
“Was that a battery fire?”
“Oh no, it was just a regular fire...”
It was a battery fire look child lock jaw was BARLEY MOVING and little child if that happens its a battery fire a nat on the wall would figure that out
Aggressiveness - Lockjaw
Damage Dealt - Lockjaw
Control - Lockjaw
Makes sense that Scorpio would win... [/sarcasm]
Seriously lol
imagine in boxing if in the last 15 sec you couldnt fight anymore and sumone said you won....
Point system is 3 points for Damage 2 points for Control and 2 points for Aggression. Damage has to be caused by the primary weapon/hazards, Aggression is when a bot puts itself in harms way of its opponents weapon and Control is when it dictates the other bots actions.
Lockjaw clearly did more damage even though it lost drive on one side. Losing drive was not caused by Skorpios weapon. 3 points for Lockjaw
Both were aggressive and came at each other nearly non stop. 1 point each.
Lockjaw dictated Skorpios actions almost the entirety of the fight and prevented Skorpios from using its primary weapon effectively. 2 points for Lockjaw.
I got it 6 to 1, Lockjaw. Landslide victory.
*Hudson's Lock-Jaw was the clear winner.*
this match boils down to whether skorpios using lockjaws weapon recoil to cause internal damage is counted
Scorpio: I ain't hear no bell.
If you forget the scoring system for a minute, I consider this to be one of the rare moments the judges were actually right and made a fair decision.
Nope, they messed it up. Lockjaw won 100%. Points are awarded for damage, agression and control, and Lockjaw was dominating in all 3 categories, clearly the judges decided to throw out the rules on this one and call it a late k.o. or something. Which would have been fine if Scorpios did anything to cause the fire, but he did zero damage and Lockjaw was still mobile in the end, clear win. Judges are former battlebots builders/competitors, they should know this.
I liked the way the Player Controlled that Lock Jaw. The Energy was too Awesome. He was Like A Ninja There in front of Scorpios. Hats off to that Bot and his Controller 👍👌
It’s a real shame that the bot has reliability issues
I feel that it was Scorpio's plan the try and burn out Lockjaw's motor. That's why he kept running strait into the spinner. It would have been a knockout if there was 5 more seconds.
I disagree, there was not enough time for a knockout and lock jaw got almost all of the good hits, and put on an amazing show, not to mention that lock jaw was the only one to have a main weapon for a majority of the game.
Lockjaw definitely controlled that match, got way more hits with its primary weapons, etc. He should have won
It goes to Skorpios. Lock-Jaw for all cases was slowly smoking itself to death.
You can build the best bot, but if it dies at the end, its still dead.
Umm no. Lockjaw won every category, it doesn’t matter if he burns himself up, as long as he was aggressive, and did a lot of damage, which he did. Scorpios couldn’t do anything to him, even when he was smoking.
@@thomaspalmer5734 lockjaw had its weapon powered on the entire fight. Most bots dont do that because its stresses the batteries. Lockjaw lost due to pushing too hard.
Sounds right to me, it looks like if the timer didn’t go off, lockjaw would have been counted out
I can see arguments for both to win. But I agree with the judges decision. Scorpius had some bents on the coverings and on the saw blade, but lock jaw likely had damage to its battery or electricity. So Scorpius was more functional at the end of the fight.
The counterargument would be that Lockjaw caused most of the damage on Scorpius, but IMO if you burn yourself up, that's on you and should still count for your opponent.
The most controversial thing about this fight was whoever picked the stock hit sounds
Dubbing over the raw fight audio with collision sound effects is just insulting.
As for the decision; I say the judges made the right call. It shouldn't matter how much better a bot does in the beginning if they can't at least limp out of the arena at the end. Lockjaw was dead, and we shouldn't ignore that just because the bell rang while they were still gasping for breath.
A requirement for each bot to return to their starting square at round end to demonstrate mobility would make this much more clear.
no one would know what's going on without audio.
Same reason movies add tracers to bullets because you'd never know what's going on.
Skorpios is clearly the winner
Skorpio is the Rocky Balboa of battlebots
scorpios should give up on the saw it's not effective and doesnt do damage
Tell that to copperheads chain and sidewinder
They should make it horizontal
The smoke and fire does not matter. Lock-Jaw did not get counted out and the battle went the distance. Lock-Jaw caused the most damage, by far, and any damage it sustained was self-inflicted. But again, that didn't come into play due to time expiring. If it had started smoking AFTER the buzzer, would it have changed your mind? See what I'm saying?
Lockjaw was the most visibly and skillfully aggressive. All Skorpios could do is ram, and that's a lower-level form of aggression. Lockjaw accepting the judge's decision so gracefully was the sportsman-like thing to do, and we know that Lockjaw went on to other successes whereas Skorpios not so much.
Poor decision by the judges, lock jaw clearly won
absouletely
Who ever said skorpios won should have a lock jaw
I would love to have a Lockjaw, it's a well-designed agile & invertible bot
they were right. although scorpio lost their primary weapon, they stayed more mobile and by the end they were the only one standing
Why'd you cut out Donald's reaction?
Savan and Kenny Florian’s surprise at the call. Both were shocked at the decision.
Lock-jaw dominated the entire battle.
Scorpious did nothing other than not get totally annihilated.
By what criteria did Skorpios win? Lockjaw did more damage and Skorpios did none. Lockjaw was the aggressor. Lockjaw had more control for 2/3 of the fight until it had internal issues. If the fight goes 3 minutes and one bot had smoke or fire, that doesn't mean they automatically lose. Just like the Tombstone v. Rotator match. Tombstone did all the damage and just because he was on fire they gave Rotator the win (I know it was technically a KO but that was a 10 count in the span of 6 seconds so they could beat the clock).
This is the problem with the Judges. Sure, if the fight had continued 30 seconds longer, this would've been Skorpios's win. But it didn't end in 3:30, it ended in 3 minutes. Judging by the damage inflicted by the primary weapon, control throughout most of the fight, the fight should've gone Lockjaw's way, not Skorpios. Note, I think aggression points should've been equal.
Its like a boxing match between Mike Tyson and Carol Channing as shown in family guy
Damage -Lockjaw 3, Scorpios 0, Aggression - Lockjaw 2, Scorpios 0, Control - Lockjaw 2, Scorpios 0. But that's just me.
Should have went to lock jaw. Scorpios weapon was less then useless.
doesn't matter how good your weapon is if your own batteries catch on fire because of your own impacts against your enemy and they still keep coming.
The judges was right. Roboti fight is about technical / design skill and control (also some luck). When your robot was dominating all the time but in the end it slips into the pit, the opponent won. And so when your robot design was burn before the time end, or the pilot was too aggresive and causes it burn, the opponent won.
In terms of dmg. I really wanted to say lock jaw should have won BUT THEN IT HIT ME!!! Scorpio did do more dmg to lock jaw then the dmg lock jaw did to scorpio becasue Lock Jaw destroyed itself....
In other words, because scorpio could stay alive the whole match, lock jaw kept destroying itself thus meaning that one could argue that Scorpio was indirectly doing dmg to Lock Jaw. In other-words, Lock Jaw destroyed himself meaning that Scorpio deserves the win by default because by the end of the battle, Lock Jaw was in worse condition than Scorpio and Scorpio had accidentally done more dmg to Lock Jaw (by forcing Lock Jaw to destroy his own bot.)
The main scoring rule is damage done by the primary weapon, right? Skorpios did no damage with its primary.
They had us in the first half, not gunna lie
I feel like if Lockjaw did not end up on fire at the end, he would have won completely hands down. I think the judges decided that killed Lockjaw from moving onward. great battle and lockjaw beats himself at the end it looks like.
got it right. lock jaw would have been counted out if the round was 1 min longer
the Judges weren't needed for this battle, it decided it-self.
The one thing I haven't seen since BattleBots went from comedy central to here is a score sheet of which robot did what or hit by hazards. Even if there was a knock out, they'd show the landing shots, flips, hazards, etc. I think they take too much time after everyone's ready to start the match.
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Lockj could use some durability and endure it's own punishment. Both were extremely mobile and maybe heaved under it's own weight. Skorp outlasted the punishment but looks a little light to actually win.
Revenge for Donald kicking the judges azz in the BB arena for year. We saw the battle. I think we need to see some different judges next year.
That was a nice fight!
When your robot is immobilized, That should count as a KO win in robot wars. I’d say it was a fair decision although the green bot was the most active and hit Skorpios more, His bot failed and stopped working in the end.