You helped me out!!!! I'm doing all wheel drive later in my 92 civic hatchback. For now, I need to use the transmission without a transaxle for the header to clear the tunnel until I got turbo AWD. without knowing the plug for the transaxle I would have had to buy another transmission. Thanks for having done the work and putting in the part number.
I passed up on a clean 4wd element with low miles and a good price because I didn't want the 4wd. I was under the impression that the 4wd element was completely different version vs the 2wd. Now I'm kicking myself.
Yeah and now everybody and their brother is using them to make AWD honda drag cars and the AWD drive train is through the roof for used setups... kick again poor fella. I'm gonna follow you around and do what you don't. :D
Kick on.... I added 4WD Elements to my search this spring after seeing how simple it was to downgrade and thus had more to choose from. Just performed this work on my '05 E and now I have fully functional 4WD parts for some other time should I ever decide to reverse the change. Everything just bolts back on.
Did the same thing to my 2000 CRV automatic. I left the half shafts on the rear wheels. Then I simply took off the two outboard CV joint boots, and pulled the joints apart. Just clean out the grease from the existing axle shafts and leave them in place.
Very well done that Honda Element will go almost any place with just the front wheel drive there is no need for all that extra weight and things to go wrong anyway.
I enjoyed it. It was a good, clean, professional, well thought out technique. I wonder what you could do with Elements with these conversions: 1. an EPS (electric power steering) rack and pinion, (modernizes by eliminating the accessory belt drive, pump, reservoir, all hydraulic hoses, weight, complexity and numerous failure points, sets the vehicle up for alternative drive lines and frees up the existing drive line and available power) 2. Li-ON / Super-capacitor replacement battery (modernizes by eliminating weight, increasing available stored energy, lengthens life expectancy and set vehicle up for other electrification) 3. electric water pump conversion, (modernizes by eliminating accessory belt drive and sets vehicle up for the use of the heater between stops and starts of the engine) 4. addition of a front moon-roof 5. addition of multi-piston Brembo style or Acura style braking on all 4 corners 6. full electric conversion with regenerative braking, EPS, electric HVAC. I finally bought an '08 now that the kids are in college. I think that you are up to it all. I would love to see you try #1, #2, #4 & later #6. I don't think that V6 engine swaps, forced or chemical induction or #5 are any real challenge for you. NIASE MASTER INSTRUCTOR PAR, SR
After a few fix, my beater Element was a daily driver too. The AWD is easy to fix but parts are expensive, at the time the conversion made sens altough I did get another beater Element AWD later on and the drive train was A1
Good video thanks! Helped me out and got my element back on the road. My rear diff mounts had failed and the whole diff was rocking back and forth thumping and banging. Happened while pulling a trailer up a snowy hill. With the help of your video and about 3 hrs work my E is usable again until I order parts later on. Where I live, parts or supplies are a days drive away.
AbsoLUTEly loved this vid from beginning to end. Without choking on too much brain, I just wanted to show my appreciation for the simplicity, no talking, straight-shooting, no bullshit, great camera angles and editing, and the soundtrack just fucking chilled me out. I thin I found my next project. Much love bro, now go drop a TL-S v6 and turbo it😜❤️💯☮🕉
+michaelovitch The 2 wd cover is not really expensive, that way it look like a genuine 2wd which is perfect for the yearly safety inspection. Also I got plan for the extra parts....AWD Element SC...
Great video, I think this helped me figure out my problem, I swapped the back end (frame and suspension) on my CRV-FWD, the replacement rear end came from an AWD CRV and it is missing the axle shafts. Was wobbly when driving, will swap out and hope for the best!
Thanks, the wobbling may be the rear wheels assembly detaching, have a good look before you drive it again. The axles shaft keeps everything tight together
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox pulled my old axle shafts this morning and everything drove super tight! it is at the alignment shop now! Your video was so helpful!
Thanks for posting. Looking for a Honda Element FWD but if I find a decent 4WD, I'll remove all the rear drive gear and patch up the holes just like you did.
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox In Canada, Elements 4WD or not in decent condition fetch in excess of $4000 so I find that hard to believe. Parts are extremely scarce in scrap yards though.
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox I see the part numbers in the video description. Honda dealer pricing obtained and WOW... why are the axle bolts over $250 each? If i can't find these from a parts car, is there a CR-V substitute? Thanks.
Hi Joe, like the videos. Is your element a manual 4wd to begin with? I have a front wheel drive manual, and would love to do the 4wd conversion. Is that possible by buying the parts that you took off and install them?
Hi Simon It should be fairly easy the 4WD has no electronic control, it is all mechanically operated (the earlier Element). the hardest part would be to change the differential and add the 4wd gear both inside the transmission (swapping a 4WD MT may be easier). Then just add the missing 4WD components (rear differential, drive axles, drive shaft and front transfer assembly)
Wow! Good to learn about this. I was thinking about 4WD and 2WD. Can change from old 4WD to 2WD which 2WD is fast speeding than 4WD is good for snow/pull the trailer but 2WD and 4WD both pull trailer like pop up camping/motorcycle or small trailer like this. I like to hear from any comments. Thanks
On a Honda Element the 4wd only engage in slippery condition. The 4wd will give you better control in slippery conditions but will consume more fuel than the 2wd. Look up the GVWR of your vehicle to find out what you can tow. Thanks for watching
This video is so helpful, just bought an 05 AWD that previous owner deleted to FWD but they didn't do it the right way, they only took out shaft. My question, can you reuse 12mm bolts from front dif for the cover. Thanks for the video.
Hi If you replace the front differential with a cover the flange bolts are much much shorter ( check the part # at www.hondapartsnow.com) also remember only MT transmission has a cover, For AT you need to swap the whole thing AT 2wd and AT 4wd have different transmissions housing, no cover
If I just removed the driveshaft from my 2003 automatic would that give me any significant increase in fuel economy? And would it be mechanically safe? Super cool video!
Great video! Thanks for sharing. Ive watched it over 1000x already!! Haha Crazy question, but could I simply add the parts you removed to convert our '03 Element EX Manual 2WD to 4WD? Thanks!
Thanks for your feedback. You still would need a different transmission with the 4wd gears and I am not sure if the 2wd has all the predrilled bolts to accomodate the rear components
Great content bro. I'm in d hunt for a manual transmission to awd a crx build for offroad hill use on my property. This gave me inspiration to use a 2wd n con vert if I find it. I was wondering if the transfer unit from an automatic will work on the manual? I'm looking thank for your work.
Hi, I dont know much about the CRX, but on a 4 wd Honda Element anything behind the front of the car transfer case will fit on both Manual and Automatic
Great video! I have an 2WD Element currently and was going to go look at an 05 AWD Element. What are signs and symptoms I should be looking for to diagnose issues like yours where the rear differential is bad or is going bad?
Hi the car was driveable but with lots of rattling noise. Crawl under the car and look for wearout or loose parts by rattling everything you can get your hands on, everything should be stiff. There is a test that involve lifting the rear and blocking the front and running the car. Google or check out Element owner for detail of that test.
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox well I pulled the rear third of the driveshaft. Then pulled both rear axles and removed the spindles from the ends. Put the spindles back in so the wheels stay on and the abs sensor keeps working. Fingers crossed that the remaining driveshaft was balanced. And drove it 100mi today. Worked great! I have pictures if needed.
Also does it get up to high speeds easier? Like 90 mph to say 110 mph more easily? I know this vehicle is not aerodynamic and is underpowered for begin with but let’s face it, it is pretty heavy to begin with. I would think the conversion to 2wd should help with that problem, right? Gaining better top speed and off the line acceleration than its 4 we counterpart.
It drove great and was comparable to my 4wd 2008 which as more HP, the automatic transmission 2wd and 4wd are different and you need to swap the whole transmission instead of just a cover ( like on the manual)
Hi. Thanks for the video. I was watching in order to see how the rear differential mount was held in place. I have a question. How easy is it to replace the rear diff mount bushings?
Hi Your rear differential is held in place with two things: No1 rear damper (tail end of your differential) should be easy swap, support differential with a jack and undo 3 bolts of the mounting bracket, then 2 more bolts for the damper (bolt to the car rear body subframe) wiggle out and replace the rubber damper. No2 is the mount assembly (its attach on top of the differential), follow steps in video to access it. Fairly easy job If your car is not rusted. Mark your propeller shaft and companion flange before removing (on both side) good luck
I am not sure about the 2010 AWD system on the CR-V (sensor or not?) but the earlier version in manual transmission should be easy, although a custom fit transmission cover would be needed or keep the transfer gear assembly on the transmission. Thanks for watching...
Hey Joe, I would want to do this on an automatic transmission Element. I am not finding the "Cover and Gasket" for an automatic. Would you have any idea what those part numbers would be? also can you post the part numbers for the axle shafts (2wd) ( I just saw you posted this already 42332-SCV-A01)... And THANKS for a great option for the Honda element. I will definitely be out on the hunt for more Elements with faulty 4wd set ups.
Hi, From looking at the AT diagrams, I don't think there is a cover for the automatic transmission, I believe the torque converter case need to be swapped. (21111-pzk-315) 2WD case from (21111-prv-316) 4WD case. I am not really sure how big of a job it entails, I only drive MT. Thanks for stopping by
So all I need to make my manual FWD into a AWD is the transfer case, driveshaft, diff, rear axles, and all the mounts? Anything else I need to know before I head to the junkyard to pull ll these parts?
Yes and no, you can remove all the rear wheels components , just make sure you replace the rear wheels axles with the two wheel drive short axles (otherwise your rear wheels will fall off…) unfortunetely the cover on the automatic transmission can not be swap, so you will have a live rotating U joint at the end of it.
I took my Element to a mechanic because of a rear noise which I thought it was the axles. He told me that the differential was gone, previous owners left it w no oil. He said he can fix it n make it straight, had no idea what he meant by that! Today I go under the car to do other work and I saw that he cut both axles out. My question to you, is it dangerous to drive it like that w no rear axles n a bad diff? If u can answer me I would really appreciate it, I'm going nuts trying to sort this out!
The set up you describe would not pass the yearly safety inspection of where I live but technically if the spindle are not removed (just the shaft cut out) the rear wheels will remain on the vehicle.
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBoxdo you have an email where I can send you a pic or video of what this mechanic did? I'm a bit afraid of driving this element as it is, maybe you can tell me if is dangerous or not, if you don't mind please, I really appreciate it!
Does all these parts have it also on 06 CRV? I want to convert from 4wd to 2wd.... no need 4wd here in San Francisco California. Bought the car used, if I had choice I would have bought 2wd.
Maybe if yours is a manual transmission, here is a link www.google.ca/search?q=crv+2wd+conversion&client=safari&hl=en-ca&sxsrf=ALiCzsbZAmUYwHSco332Pe0BSJqGTq4fYA%3A1670343343127&ei=r2qPY4qQB6Wy5NoP5MKG8Ak&oq=crv+2+wd&gs_lcp=ChNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwEAEYBTIECCMQJzIHCAAQgAQQDTIHCAAQgAQQDTIHCAAQgAQQDTIHCAAQgAQQDTIGCAAQHhANMgYIABAWEB4yCAgAEAUQHhANOgoIABBHENYEELADOgUIABCABDoICAAQFhAeEAo6BQgAEJECOg0IABCABBCHAhCxAxAUOgcIABCABBAKSgQIQRgAUPJAWO1yYJWFAWgDcAB4AIABmAKIAZwEkgEFMi4xLjGYAQCgAQHIAQjAAQE&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp
2 questions. 1. I have a awd element how can i tell it works? 2. Is it true that awd used more fuel then fwd. If feel like to me, its not getting good gas mileage.
Hi your Element AWD only kick in when the front and the rear axles experience a difference in tractions. On ice, snow, wet surface and sandy beach is really obvious. Otherwise its dormant. The AWD gear is much more weight to carry around and when you drive you actually pump rear differential full time which take energy. So yes it consumes more fuel, my 2wd Element averaged 23 MPG and my 4wd Element 20 MPG, but is much better in the snow, a must where I live.
Sticks, Stones and iron , you can bring it to a shop and they can cut the yoke off and weld on a universal yolk using a universal U joint with a grease nipple. Don’t forget to get it balance.
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox mine is automatic transmission and i want to take all the 4wheel drive parts out. It's the same process right? Just install the cover on the automatic tranny when i take the diff out?
Yes it is possible. You need to swap your 2wd to a 4wd transmission at the front. transfer case in the back and axles and drives shaft, supports to connect it all
Great vid I'm currently working on a k24a2 swap on my E it's a manual 2wd I see the cover plate where the transfer case bolts up . Can I just bolt up a transfer case and the coinsiding parts without getting another transmission
Im not 100% sure if you can bolt up a 4wd transfer assembly instead of a cover on the 2wd transmission. It may fit and seal the transmission but obviously the internal gears are missing...so it would be a dummy transfer assembly (if it fits in...). Good luck with your swap...any link for pictures or video?
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox I know it's an old Post thanks for responding I'll be posting pics shortly motor is out , from the bottom , no lift already have the k24a2 probably end up cutting the awd out of the equation
@@jamescontrino5099 my 2004 4wd on the video served me very well has a 2wd. For safety the most important thing is to secure the rear wheels/hub assembly with the 2wd short shafts
Is this conversion able to be done on a 2003 Honda ex 4wd AUTOMATIC? Has there been any gains in terms of pep. Knowing the fact that there is less weight to lug around, is the element more peppier than when it was awd? If it was, would you say it is comparable to a 4wd ex 5 speed, acceleration wise?
I am trying to convert a AWD automatic to a 2wd. I see you got that plate from Honda but when I try to get one they said that the AWD automatic is a different transmission than the 2wd. But I read on the Element forum they said it can be done with a plate like you used. Do you have a resource for the automatics as well?
The 2wd and 4wd automatic are different and need to be swap for a clean look. Although if it’s for a wood buggy you can just unbolt and removed the shaft
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox I went to the Honda shop today and looked at it with them. They said they can take it all off and just leave the transfer case and it will be just fine. Is this true? I would like to put on a 2 wheel drive transmission but the money I would save in gas would be gone paying for a new transmission. No one would look under there and say anything about the transfer case being there. I am used to my 5 speed element and getting about 26 MPG and so I am concerned to what my new AWD is going to get. I wonder what difference I would see between 2wd vs AWD. I read all kinds of stuff and it is all over the board. Normally in my 5speed I get 320-340 miles on a tank. I read someone said they get 190 in the AWD. So not sure what to do.
I don’t have experience with an automatic, all my 3 Element were manual my 2 fwd was 23-25mpg and the awd was 20-22 mpg. I’m not sure to leave the transfer case is a good idea ( It would not past MV inspection here) I personally don’t think the conversion is wort it just to save fuel alone (just my opinion), My goal in this video was to get the car back on the road that was undriveable in its worn out 4WD state.
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox we don’t have inspections so I am good there. I guess I will wait and fill it up and run a few tanks through it and see where I am. I am used to getting between 26-28 on average in my FWD 5 speed. I have read one guy saying in his automatic AWD he gets 190 miles to a tank. That would be bad for the budget. I see others saying they get 15 miles to the gallon. For that I could get a V8! Do you have any information on a plate for the AWD automatic transmissions?
26-28 mpg with your 5 speed is really good and has more to do with your good driving habit, you should get easily 23-25 mpg with the AWD...make sure your tires are properly inflated and check the brake for rubbing and binding and no there is no plate for the automatic transmission
The Element was sold to me has a part car, it was not driveable the way it was. Basically, the 4WD component where bad and the repair would have cost over $2000 in parts alone. The repair I did cost me just over $100. The car drives like new with no issue. Regarding the MPG, it is probably better due to less weight and drag, how much better? I have nothing to compare with.
I have a question? Why won't the transfer case on my Honda Element fit a different transmission? I'm replacing my old transmission but the transfer case won't fit, what can I do? my car is a honda elemen 2005 AWD the transmission is MZKA series and the old transmission is also MZKA
If the donor transmission is from a first gen Element, it should fit like a glove, maybe yours is from a CRV...or other Honda that share the same powertrain. keep in mind that the transmission housing is different from model to model. check out the diagrams at HONDAPARTSNOW to find a clue which Honda your transmission from. www.hondapartsnow.com/2005-honda-element--5dr_lx_4wd-ka_5mt-parts.html Good luck with your project
I was investigating and they are the same transfer, but the mechanic I have has not been able to make it fit, is there any special procedure to make it fit? because the mechanic only removed it from the donor transmission and is putting it to the new transmission the both transmission are automatic
If all the parts swap are indentical, it should fit in easily…child play (watch my new clutch video when I put the whole powertrain back togheter on my 2008 4wd Element)
Hi,i already remove my propeller but i didnt remove the transfer case.coz i cant find a trans cover fit to my honda odyssey 95.pls advice me thank u.in.advance
Hi, if your car model came in 2wd...probably yes. If not, cross check if the parts # for the Element are the same for the CRV Good luck with your project...
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox Thanks. I feel like it's just a lot to maintain. And then if something goes awry a lot more to trouble shoot also. I like the idea of a simpler vehicle and I know you have another AWD but if you didn't -- do you think you still would have made the change? Is the only downside really just traction in snow or maybe a torrential downpour? I feel like if you don't drive like an idiot these things really shouldn't be an issue. I live in Wisconsin and I mean it does snow although it seemed insignificant this year. This is my only car and I'm wondering since you've done this transition a few years ago if you would still recommend it to this day.
That car was sold to me has a wreck and with little money it turn out to be a decent second car to take the dog and the canoe to the lake. It perform the same has my other 2wd which was OK in the snow...If you want a real snow machine 4wd is the way to go, my 4wd 2008 got me throught some pretty bad storm and always made it home. If I get an another Element in the future, definetely 4wd (city boy right now...I drive a Civic)
Honda's are not 4 wheel drive. They are all wheel drive when ordered that option. There is a difference. I don't want to start a debate, lol. You can google the difference. For my needs AWD is better than 4WD.
Same except that you have to find a transfer case cover for the ATX which is *not* the same as the transfer case cover for the MTX. Back from the transfer case, the procedure is essentially the same.
@@canuckfixit7722 Okay Great, Im Glad to hear it. This is a big help. From the sounds of what you are saying I would guess the auto transmission in both the FWD and AWD are the same transmission and are not 2 different transmissions. I am not sure if the awd automatic uses a different transmission than the fwd auto transmission. But in the end based on what you are saying to convert an auto awd transmission to auto fwd transmission a transfer case cover needs to be sourced from an auto fwd tranny.
@@maxnovo625 Correct. I'm going through the process soon with my '05 AWD 5-speed Element. Don't try to buy the three pieces new.; way too expensive. Instead go find a FWD Element either parts car or at a scrap yard and pull them off. I got mine from a scrap yard and they cost me $15 Cdn in southern Ontario.
I have a question, can i fit a awd tranny on my fwd ? My tranny is dead and i can only find awd, but i don't want to make the full conversion, i just need a good transmission. So im wondering if i could buy this awd and install it. Thanks
Hi follow the link for my favorite online Honda store and the other for the part # Looks like that part is discontinue, may be try your luck at auto parts recycler. www.hondapartsnow.com Honda 42332-SCV-A01Shaft, Rear Axle 2003-2011 Honda Element 42332SCVA01 Honda 42332-SCV-A01 Shaft, Rear Axle
Go to hondapartsnow.com type your Honda year and model. Then choose the category of parts (ex: transmission). From there you will have a detailed diagrams with all the parts listed for that category down to the bolts
@@Fosgen The powertrain design would not work for RWD, if you really want a RWD Element, Fitting a small block chevy in there could be more possible and fun too...Motorhead territory, beyond my Knowledge
Hi, once the rear differential is removed, the rear axles have no place to go. That is why you need the short 2wd axles. I know some peoples cut off the rear axles to turn them into 2wd axles, not sure if it work or safe.
Thanks for the response! I assumed that with taking out prop shaft and rear diff you would still have to get/install the 2wd rear axel assembly to pass inspection.. but if the spindles alone are sufficient, that works for me.. thanks for the help!
Thank you for your time and Sorry for the bother. So did you get new 2wd differential and 2wd axels? My mechanic said he believes the problem (loud knocking) in my 07 5sp AWD is my transfer case. (might be transmission. like you, I think I would save money converting to 2wd, so will i need to buy the 2WD rear differential and new axles?
If you convert to 2wd, you removed the rear differential and the long 4wd drive shaft. Then install the 2WD short shaft, look them up on the web (part number in description box) the shaft are about 6 inch long. The short shaft are really important, dont drive without them, the rear wheel assembly will come undone
I just bought the all-wheel drive and took the back seats out and it's still runs slow. I can picture another 250 lb out of this thing should really move it.
I never had to deal with a bad head gasket (touch wood...). As an enthusiast home mechanic, I would find a good motor for a swap and take the faulty motor apart to see and learn what when wrong and if possible fix it to resale or keep good parts...etc
Daniel Greene I've done gasket repair on both D and B series, It seemed like a big challenge at first but I saw some diagrams as well as CZcams tips and it ended up being very simple for me also learned about timing marks, valve lash , and the 100k water pump service. If you find a cheap replacement, that's the easiest way.
Good eye, sometime some shots get lost in editing or missed because of camera out of focus or dead battery...altough i think the video still get to the point of turning a 4wd into 2wd
Not that I know, all you need is to swap for a 2wd transmission otherwise you stuck with a live propeller shaft at the back of your automatic transmission
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox actually, the cars differential was having a funny sound whenever i turn a corner, left or right, and it was traced to the differential box, so what the mechanic did was that, instead of fixing the differential unit which will cost me a fortune, he removed the drive shaft instead. car is running smoothly tho @ 2WD version. do i still have to remove the differential box from the vehicle?
@@cesaralgerre1915 I was going to do the same thing to my 2003 crv. I looked all over the net for that information. I couldn't find much, and I ended up leaving the propeller shaft in for now. The noise subsided somewhat in the differential. I changed the diff pump fluid a couple of times, maybe that helped. I was concerned that the prop shaft's spinning helped lubricate the differential. I couldn't find a definitive answer.
The 4 wd Element is full-time front wheel drive, the rear wheel only engage when there is a difference in the distribution between the front and the rear axles. So if you only drive your 4wd Element in sunny Florida, probably you are 99% of the time front wheel drive. Up north in the snow the 4 wd kicks in a little more often.
I dont know if the CRV had a 2WD model, if yes sure it would work, if no I think the only thing missing for the conversion would be a cover for the transmission
Good morning my name Javier, you not how to convert automatic 2wd to 4wd. I have honda element 2011 I one to convert 4wd , please help me to do by my self thanks 01,15,24
Hello The practical and the easiest on the wallet is to find a good 4WD parts car that is damaged enough to be a wreck but still has the whole powertrain in good conditions. The other way is to source all the parts individually to built your 4WD powertrain: so you will need: • 4WD transmission and mounts • propeller shaft with all the mounts • rear differential and mounts • rear drive axle And probably a few other parts that I don’t remember at the moment. It should be relatively an easy project if you can find the right parts And best of all the 4wd engage with an hydrologic system built in in the rear differential…so no need to do any change to the OBC. Visit Elementownerclub and other chat room where you will connect with peoples who already did this project and usually eager to help. Visit Hondapartsnow.com for parts list and schematics Good luck with your project
CRV and Element parts would be the same 03-08 or so.. but why not just fix the issues with the awd? Not all that expensive and its nice to have... especially when you figure in the cost of all the parts you had to purchase from Honda.
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox yes, I saw that later thanks. Will this work on an automatic transmission? I noticed the part numbers are for a manual. I just bought the car a few days ago.
Not with those parts, you need to swap the whole 4wd automatic transmission with a 2wd (not sure if that was an option) Big job, probably easier to fix the problem
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox hey is the drive shaft sealed on the front transmission? I was wondering if I could do everything else except remove the transfer case and just leave it spinning.
Yes and no, you can change all the AWD component to 2WD. Exept for the transmission, you would need to swap to a 2wd automatic. If you keep the AWD it will run but you will have a live propeller under your car and that could be unsafe.
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox thank you so much for the info. unfortunately, only 4wd automatics were sold in japan. i wanted to prepare and do this mod when my propeller shaft goes.
Hello again, do you think it will be ok to take off the prop shaft and install rear axel shaft like on the vid and make my automatic 4wd element into 2wd with a spinning front transfer assembly? Thanks for the great video.
@Dragonista89 I would not do it or recommend it, driving with a live propeller under the car seem like a bad idea, but yes it could work, although where I live it would not pass the Yearly DOT safety inspection.
From looking at the Pilot 2wd, looks like the AT could be swap with the Ridgeline (the case look identical) and 2wd spindle for the rear wheel is available from the pilot. Although I have no clue if the Ridgeline computer would accept the swap...keep me posted if you find a way to make it work
You helped me out!!!! I'm doing all wheel drive later in my 92 civic hatchback. For now, I need to use the transmission without a transaxle for the header to clear the tunnel until I got turbo AWD. without knowing the plug for the transaxle I would have had to buy another transmission. Thanks for having done the work and putting in the part number.
I'm looking for parts to do the same but to a non Honda. lets just say it will have a Honda engine in it and be allot more reliable.
I passed up on a clean 4wd element with low miles and a good price because I didn't want the 4wd. I was under the impression that the 4wd element was completely different version vs the 2wd. Now I'm kicking myself.
Yeah and now everybody and their brother is using them to make AWD honda drag cars and the AWD drive train is through the roof for used setups... kick again poor fella. I'm gonna follow you around and do what you don't. :D
Kick on.... I added 4WD Elements to my search this spring after seeing how simple it was to downgrade and thus had more to choose from. Just performed this work on my '05 E and now I have fully functional 4WD parts for some other time should I ever decide to reverse the change. Everything just bolts back on.
Did the same thing to my 2000 CRV automatic. I left the half shafts on the rear wheels. Then I simply took off the two outboard CV joint boots, and pulled the joints apart. Just clean out the grease from the existing axle shafts and leave them in place.
I want to do that to my Mazda 3 ..front drive shaft is fucked wanna remove it
what was the part number of the cover for the transmission you used?
2005 Manual transmission:
cover 21131-PPR-000
Gasket 91304-PRH-003
Very well done that Honda Element will go almost any place with just the front wheel drive there is no need for all that extra weight and things to go wrong anyway.
Totally agree, almost a full year as a daily driver since the conversion and still going strong.
I enjoyed it. It was a good, clean, professional, well thought out technique. I wonder what you could do with Elements with these conversions:
1. an EPS (electric power steering) rack and pinion, (modernizes by eliminating the accessory belt drive, pump, reservoir, all hydraulic hoses, weight, complexity and numerous failure points, sets the vehicle up for alternative drive lines and frees up the existing drive line and available power)
2. Li-ON / Super-capacitor replacement battery (modernizes by eliminating weight, increasing available stored energy, lengthens life expectancy and set vehicle up for other electrification)
3. electric water pump conversion, (modernizes by eliminating accessory belt drive and sets vehicle up for the use of the heater between stops and starts of the engine)
4. addition of a front moon-roof
5. addition of multi-piston Brembo style or Acura style braking on all 4 corners
6. full electric conversion with regenerative braking, EPS, electric HVAC.
I finally bought an '08 now that the kids are in college. I think that you are up to it all. I would love to see you try #1, #2, #4 & later #6. I don't think that V6 engine swaps, forced or chemical induction or #5 are any real challenge for you.
NIASE MASTER INSTRUCTOR PAR, SR
I wish I had time for all those conversions, although I will look into it. My next Element project is a 6-speed conversion.
Thanks for your comment
Just bought an 08 awd. Its crazy to see this rust, mine looks mint and was only 2800. Gotta love FL
Good state to buy cars...for sure
I cannot say enough good things about your entire video. Optimal 👏👏👏
Thank you…
I wondered how this could be done in a simple manner. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for your feedback
I bought a beater Element, but luckily my AWD worked because I use it everyday.
After a few fix, my beater Element was a daily driver too. The AWD is easy to fix but parts are expensive, at the time the conversion made sens altough I did get another beater Element AWD later on and the drive train was A1
Literally the exact video I needed. Tired of replacing rhe rear dual pump seals - time for her to become a 2wd model!
Easy fix and you will save on fuel too
Good video thanks! Helped me out and got my element back on the road. My rear diff mounts had failed and the whole diff was rocking back and forth thumping and banging. Happened while pulling a trailer up a snowy hill. With the help of your video and about 3 hrs work my E is usable again until I order parts later on. Where I live, parts or supplies are a days drive away.
Sounds like where I live, good to know the video was helpful
AbsoLUTEly loved this vid from beginning to end. Without choking on too much brain, I just wanted to show my appreciation for the simplicity, no talking, straight-shooting, no bullshit, great camera angles and editing, and the soundtrack just fucking chilled me out. I thin I found my next project. Much love bro, now go drop a TL-S v6 and turbo it😜❤️💯☮🕉
Thank you for your kind comment, always fun to hear good feedback and yes dropping a V6 on an Element is always in the back of my mind
You could have saved some money by just disassembling the rear axles and just kept the 4wd shafts ends in the rear hubs.
no ?
+michaelovitch The 2 wd cover is not really expensive, that way it look like a genuine 2wd which is perfect for the yearly safety inspection. Also I got plan for the extra parts....AWD Element SC...
Love the music , reminds me of when I was 10 trying to watch channel 95 squiggle-vision
Glad you like the video, I never heard of squiggle vision, I will look it up
oh, I know exactly what squiggle vision was. lol
Just rewatch the video after two years, squiggle vision=music, I get it now.
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox no.
Scrambled video feeds...
5:54 , I was thinking, that might falll... yep there it goes lol. Thanks for the awesome vid
Great video, I think this helped me figure out my problem, I swapped the back end (frame and suspension) on my CRV-FWD, the replacement rear end came from an AWD CRV and it is missing the axle shafts. Was wobbly when driving, will swap out and hope for the best!
Thanks, the wobbling may be the rear wheels assembly detaching, have a good look before you drive it again. The axles shaft keeps everything tight together
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox pulled my old axle shafts this morning and everything drove super tight! it is at the alignment shop now! Your video was so helpful!
Excellent
I might want to change my 2003 Honda Pilot to 2wd
Enjoyed the video!
Thanks for posting. Looking for a Honda Element FWD but if I find a decent 4WD, I'll remove all the rear drive gear and patch up the holes just like you did.
My 4wd was more expensive to fix than the value of the car (the point of the video)...if you you find a good 4wd keep it has is, they are amazing
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox In Canada, Elements 4WD or not in decent condition fetch in excess of $4000 so I find that hard to believe. Parts are extremely scarce in scrap yards though.
East coast parts wreckers in Canada are ok for certain parts, but anything exposed to road salt is useless
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox I see the part numbers in the video description. Honda dealer pricing obtained and WOW... why are the axle bolts over $250 each? If i can't find these from a parts car, is there a CR-V substitute? Thanks.
Tip : When using a torque wrench, push down instead of pulling up. Less chance of hurting your back!
Awesome vid I really enjoyed the process
Thank you for your feedback Evo Dingo
Great Video!!
Hi Joe, like the videos. Is your element a manual 4wd to begin with? I have a front wheel drive manual, and would love to do the 4wd conversion. Is that possible by buying the parts that you took off and install them?
Hi Simon
It should be fairly easy the 4WD has no electronic control, it is all mechanically operated (the earlier Element).
the hardest part would be to change the differential and add the 4wd gear both inside the transmission (swapping a 4WD MT may be easier).
Then just add the missing 4WD components (rear differential, drive axles, drive shaft and front transfer assembly)
and Yes, the Element was 4WD MT to begin with....
Wow! Good to learn about this. I was thinking about 4WD and 2WD. Can change from old 4WD to 2WD which 2WD is fast speeding than 4WD is good for snow/pull the trailer but 2WD and 4WD both pull trailer like pop up camping/motorcycle or small trailer like this. I like to hear from any comments. Thanks
On a Honda Element the 4wd only engage in slippery condition. The 4wd will give you better control in slippery conditions but will consume more fuel than the 2wd. Look up the GVWR of your vehicle to find out what you can tow. Thanks for watching
Excellent!!! Can't say much more.
Thank you for your feedback
This video is so helpful, just bought an 05 AWD that previous owner deleted to FWD but they didn't do it the right way, they only took out shaft. My question, can you reuse 12mm bolts from front dif for the cover. Thanks for the video.
Hi
If you replace the front differential with a cover the flange bolts are much much shorter ( check the part # at www.hondapartsnow.com)
also remember only MT transmission has a cover, For AT you need to swap the whole thing AT 2wd and AT 4wd have different transmissions housing, no cover
If I just removed the driveshaft from my 2003 automatic would that give me any significant increase in fuel economy? And would it be mechanically safe? Super cool video!
it should, no parasitic loss.
Great video! Thanks for sharing. Ive watched it over 1000x already!! Haha Crazy question, but could I simply add the parts you removed to convert our '03 Element EX Manual 2WD to 4WD? Thanks!
Thanks for your feedback. You still would need a different transmission with the 4wd gears and I am not sure if the 2wd has all the predrilled bolts to accomodate the rear components
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox ok got it! I'll have to take a look. I appreciate your quick response. This is going to be a fun project!
The 2wd E's do not have bolts for the driveshaft Carrier Bearing.
Great content bro. I'm in d hunt for a manual transmission to awd a crx build for offroad hill use on my property. This gave me inspiration to use a 2wd n con vert if I find it. I was wondering if the transfer unit from an automatic will work on the manual? I'm looking thank for your work.
Hi, I dont know much about the CRX, but on a 4 wd Honda Element anything behind the front of the car transfer case will fit on both Manual and Automatic
Great video! I have an 2WD Element currently and was going to go look at an 05 AWD Element. What are signs and symptoms I should be looking for to diagnose issues like yours where the rear differential is bad or is going bad?
Hi the car was driveable but with lots of rattling noise.
Crawl under the car and look for wearout or loose parts by rattling everything you can get your hands on, everything should be stiff.
There is a test that involve lifting the rear and blocking the front and running the car. Google or check out Element owner for detail of that test.
"Element Owners Club Forum" not "Element Owner"
doing this to a 2009 pontiac vibe in the morning!
Let me know the results
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox well I pulled the rear third of the driveshaft. Then pulled both rear axles and removed the spindles from the ends. Put the spindles back in so the wheels stay on and the abs sensor keeps working. Fingers crossed that the remaining driveshaft was balanced. And drove it 100mi today. Worked great! I have pictures if needed.
1000mi now without the awd and no issues. +2mpg
Sounds like my fix...good to know it work on the Toyota Matrix/Pontiac Vibe
Also does it get up to high speeds easier? Like 90 mph to say 110 mph more easily? I know this vehicle is not aerodynamic and is underpowered for begin with but let’s face it, it is pretty heavy to begin with. I would think the conversion to 2wd should help with that problem, right? Gaining better top speed and off the line acceleration than its 4 we counterpart.
It drove great and was comparable to my 4wd 2008 which as more HP, the automatic transmission 2wd and 4wd are different and you need to swap the whole transmission instead of just a cover ( like on the manual)
awesome!
Hi. Thanks for the video. I was watching in order to see how the rear differential mount was held in place. I have a question. How easy is it to replace the rear diff mount bushings?
Hi
Your rear differential is held in place with two things:
No1 rear damper (tail end of your differential) should be easy swap, support differential with a jack and undo 3 bolts of the mounting bracket, then 2 more bolts for the damper (bolt to the car rear body subframe) wiggle out and replace the rubber damper.
No2 is the mount assembly (its attach on top of the differential), follow steps in video to access it. Fairly easy job If your car is not rusted. Mark your propeller shaft and companion flange before removing (on both side)
good luck
I think you are just been okay taking the drive shaft out. a lot of people that have Honda CRVs do that
You are right, although it would not passed the yearly motor vehicle safety inspection
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox they don't look at all that stuff. have a lot of people in the car industry
Do u think this would work on a 2010 Honda CR-V ?? Really good video 👌
I am not sure about the 2010 AWD system on the CR-V (sensor or not?) but the earlier version in manual transmission should be easy, although a custom fit transmission cover would be needed or keep the transfer gear assembly on the transmission.
Thanks for watching...
Great video, I just subscribed to your channel. If you plan on getting rid of that rear differential please let me know.
Thank you. I am keeping the 4WD parts, I am thinking of a SC 4WD project in the near future
Cool. I have SC and I will be watching this progect !
Hey Joe, I would want to do this on an automatic transmission Element. I am not finding the "Cover and Gasket" for an automatic. Would you have any idea what those part numbers would be? also can you post the part numbers for the axle shafts (2wd) ( I just saw you posted this already 42332-SCV-A01)... And THANKS for a great option for the Honda element. I will definitely be out on the hunt for more Elements with faulty 4wd set ups.
Hi, From looking at the AT diagrams, I don't think there is a cover for the automatic transmission, I believe the torque converter case need to be swapped. (21111-pzk-315) 2WD case from (21111-prv-316) 4WD case. I am not really sure how big of a job it entails, I only drive MT. Thanks for stopping by
+Joe Baker that is the pits... And Im not stoppin by, Im hangin out :) Theres some good info to be had in your videos...
So all I need to make my manual FWD into a AWD is the transfer case, driveshaft, diff, rear axles, and all the mounts? Anything else I need to know before I head to the junkyard to pull ll these parts?
And a 4wd transmission…check out hondapartsnow for parts and diagrams
Hi...that's very interesting...thanks.....do you think works for automatic transmission...
Yes and no, you can remove all the rear wheels components , just make sure you replace the rear wheels axles with the two wheel drive short axles (otherwise your rear wheels will fall off…) unfortunetely the cover on the automatic transmission can not be swap, so you will have a live rotating U joint at the end of it.
I bought a wagon that had the same process done to it, It was a Chicago car so I imagine the rust must have damaged the rwd parts.
Mine was probably abused off roading..but yes rust, salt, and frost would do some damage.
Great video Joe. Do you mind posting the 4wd to 2wd shaft part numbers. Thanks
thanks, do you mean the 2wd axles shaft? parts number 42332-SCV-A01
+Joe Baker, yep the rear shaft s replacements
You are a great man with outstanding brain 🧠 power and a great gear box
Just a quick question - why use dummy shafts? Wouldn't wheel sit normally without it...?
Without them, the whole assembly would come apart...they keep the wheels on the car
Thanks...you video help me🙂
Thank you to let me know...cheers
I took my Element to a mechanic because of a rear noise which I thought it was the axles. He told me that the differential was gone, previous owners left it w no oil. He said he can fix it n make it straight, had no idea what he meant by that!
Today I go under the car to do other work and I saw that he cut both axles out. My question to you, is it dangerous to drive it like that w no rear axles n a bad diff?
If u can answer me I would really appreciate it, I'm going nuts trying to sort this out!
The set up you describe would not pass the yearly safety inspection of where I live but technically if the spindle are not removed (just the shaft cut out) the rear wheels will remain on the vehicle.
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBoxdo you have an email where I can send you a pic or video of what this mechanic did? I'm a bit afraid of driving this element as it is, maybe you can tell me if is dangerous or not, if you don't mind please, I really appreciate it!
Does all these parts have it also on 06 CRV? I want to convert from 4wd to 2wd.... no need 4wd here in San Francisco California. Bought the car used, if I had choice I would have bought 2wd.
Maybe if yours is a manual transmission, here is a link
www.google.ca/search?q=crv+2wd+conversion&client=safari&hl=en-ca&sxsrf=ALiCzsbZAmUYwHSco332Pe0BSJqGTq4fYA%3A1670343343127&ei=r2qPY4qQB6Wy5NoP5MKG8Ak&oq=crv+2+wd&gs_lcp=ChNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwEAEYBTIECCMQJzIHCAAQgAQQDTIHCAAQgAQQDTIHCAAQgAQQDTIHCAAQgAQQDTIGCAAQHhANMgYIABAWEB4yCAgAEAUQHhANOgoIABBHENYEELADOgUIABCABDoICAAQFhAeEAo6BQgAEJECOg0IABCABBCHAhCxAxAUOgcIABCABBAKSgQIQRgAUPJAWO1yYJWFAWgDcAB4AIABmAKIAZwEkgEFMi4xLjGYAQCgAQHIAQjAAQE&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp
2 questions.
1. I have a awd element how can i tell it works?
2. Is it true that awd used more fuel then fwd. If feel like to me, its not getting good gas mileage.
Hi your Element AWD only kick in when the front and the rear axles experience a difference in tractions. On ice, snow, wet surface and sandy beach is really obvious. Otherwise its dormant.
The AWD gear is much more weight to carry around and when you drive you actually pump rear differential full time which take energy.
So yes it consumes more fuel, my 2wd Element averaged 23 MPG and my 4wd Element 20 MPG, but is much better in the snow, a must where I live.
The thing that caused the shacking was the U-Joint .
and the failed mounts, U-joint is not serviceable on those cars, you got to buy the whole assembly
Sticks, Stones and iron , you can bring it to a shop and they can cut the yoke off and weld on a universal yolk using a universal U joint with a grease nipple. Don’t forget to get it balance.
Great video but please advise if this could work on a 2004 AWD with automatic transmission. If yes, then please advise the parts required. Thanks
Yes it could work if they made a 2wd automatic transmission, but the whole transmission would need to be swap...much bigger job
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox mine is automatic transmission and i want to take all the 4wheel drive parts out. It's the same process right? Just install the cover on the automatic tranny when i take the diff out?
Can this work vis versa I have an element 2wd wishing it was 4wd I’m wanting to covered it to 4wd
Yes it is possible. You need to swap your 2wd to a 4wd transmission at the front. transfer case in the back and axles and drives shaft, supports to connect it all
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox thank you for the response and damm I really thought I can just off the plate and add the transfer case on and make it 4wd
Do you have the part numbers for the axle shaft and cap for transmission?
axle shaft : Honda Part No.: 42332-SCV-A01,
Covers : 21131-PPR-000
Gasket for covers :91304-PRH-003
Keep in mind this is for manual transmission
Thank you!
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox how about for the automatic transmission
Horse power did not increase. What happened you have less mass so the horse power to kg ratio changed with the decrease in mass.
True, so more available HP
Great vid I'm currently working on a k24a2 swap on my E it's a manual 2wd I see the cover plate where the transfer case bolts up . Can I just bolt up a transfer case and the coinsiding parts without getting another transmission
Im not 100% sure if you can bolt up a 4wd transfer assembly instead of a cover on the 2wd transmission. It may fit and seal the transmission but obviously the internal gears are missing...so it would be a dummy transfer assembly (if it fits in...). Good luck with your swap...any link for pictures or video?
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox I know it's an old Post thanks for responding I'll be posting pics shortly motor is out , from the bottom , no lift already have the k24a2 probably end up cutting the awd out of the equation
@@jamescontrino5099 my 2004 4wd on the video served me very well has a 2wd. For safety the most important thing is to secure the rear wheels/hub assembly with the 2wd short shafts
Is this conversion able to be done on a 2003 Honda ex 4wd AUTOMATIC? Has there been any gains in terms of pep. Knowing the fact that there is less weight to lug around, is the element more peppier than when it was awd? If it was, would you say it is comparable to a 4wd ex 5 speed, acceleration wise?
AWD not 4WD
Thats right
For the axle shaft, do you have to buy 2 of them? Or is 2 included in 1?
Usually, it's sold by the single pieces. So you need to buy a pair
25 nov 2019 12:32 pm est:thanks
Thank you
I'm in the market for an AWD for outdoor use. Seems all are fwd err.
I guess the Elements 4wd are keeper, maybe better luck finding a 4wd CRV...good luck
I am trying to convert a AWD automatic to a 2wd. I see you got that plate from Honda but when I try to get one they said that the AWD automatic is a different transmission than the 2wd. But I read on the Element forum they said it can be done with a plate like you used. Do you have a resource for the automatics as well?
The 2wd and 4wd automatic are different and need to be swap for a clean look. Although if it’s for a wood buggy you can just unbolt and removed the shaft
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox I went to the Honda shop today and looked at it with them. They said they can take it all off and just leave the transfer case and it will be just fine. Is this true? I would like to put on a 2 wheel drive transmission but the money I would save in gas would be gone paying for a new transmission. No one would look under there and say anything about the transfer case being there. I am used to my 5 speed element and getting about 26 MPG and so I am concerned to what my new AWD is going to get. I wonder what difference I would see between 2wd vs AWD. I read all kinds of stuff and it is all over the board. Normally in my 5speed I get 320-340 miles on a tank. I read someone said they get 190 in the AWD. So not sure what to do.
I don’t have experience with an automatic, all my 3 Element were manual my 2 fwd was 23-25mpg and the awd was 20-22 mpg. I’m not sure to leave the transfer case is a good idea ( It would not past MV inspection here) I personally don’t think the conversion is wort it just to save fuel alone (just my opinion), My goal in this video was to get the car back on the road that was undriveable in its worn out 4WD state.
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox we don’t have inspections so I am good there. I guess I will wait and fill it up and run a few tanks through it and see where I am. I am used to getting between 26-28 on average in my FWD 5 speed. I have read one guy saying in his automatic AWD he gets 190 miles to a tank. That would be bad for the budget. I see others saying they get 15 miles to the gallon. For that I could get a V8! Do you have any information on a plate for the AWD automatic transmissions?
26-28 mpg with your 5 speed is really good and has more to do with your good driving habit, you should get easily 23-25 mpg with the AWD...make sure your tires are properly inflated and check the brake for rubbing and binding and no there is no plate for the automatic transmission
Can you please share the part number of the tranfer case cover and where to buy to it. Thanks!
Hi the parts # for this video is in the description box… I bought mine directly from a Honda dealer, also online www.hondapartsnow.com works for me
What numbers did you crunch to decide to do this?
What was cost to do it?
MPG for 4WD vs. 2WD?
The Element was sold to me has a part car, it was not driveable the way it was. Basically, the 4WD component where bad and the repair would have cost over $2000 in parts alone. The repair I did cost me just over $100. The car drives like new with no issue. Regarding the MPG, it is probably better due to less weight and drag, how much better? I have nothing to compare with.
How much was that cover? Part#?
I have a question? Why won't the transfer case on my Honda Element fit a different transmission? I'm replacing my old transmission but the transfer case won't fit, what can I do? my car is a honda elemen 2005 AWD the transmission is MZKA series and the old transmission is also MZKA
If the donor transmission is from a first gen Element, it should fit like a glove, maybe yours is from a CRV...or other Honda that share the same powertrain. keep in mind that the transmission housing is different from model to model.
check out the diagrams at HONDAPARTSNOW to find a clue which Honda your transmission from. www.hondapartsnow.com/2005-honda-element--5dr_lx_4wd-ka_5mt-parts.html
Good luck with your project
so even if both are MKZA it varies how from an element to a crv would i have to buy a transfer from a crv?
I was investigating and they are the same transfer, but the mechanic I have has not been able to make it fit, is there any special procedure to make it fit? because the mechanic only removed it from the donor transmission and is putting it to the new transmission the both transmission are automatic
If all the parts swap are indentical, it should fit in easily…child play (watch my new clutch video when I put the whole powertrain back togheter on my 2008 4wd Element)
Hi,i already remove my propeller but i didnt remove the transfer case.coz i cant find a trans cover fit to my honda odyssey 95.pls advice me thank u.in.advance
The Element could be bought new 2WD or 4WD with automstic or manual transmission...thats why oarts are available for the conversion.
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox thank you for the reply is theres any problem if i should not remove the transfer case?
Process the same for a 05 CRV? I know they’re very similar. I’m looking to lighten the load myself. Winter shminter.
Hi, if your car model came in 2wd...probably yes. If not, cross check if the parts # for the Element are the same for the CRV
Good luck with your project...
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox Thanks. I feel like it's just a lot to maintain. And then if something goes awry a lot more to trouble shoot also. I like the idea of a simpler vehicle and I know you have another AWD but if you didn't -- do you think you still would have made the change? Is the only downside really just traction in snow or maybe a torrential downpour? I feel like if you don't drive like an idiot these things really shouldn't be an issue. I live in Wisconsin and I mean it does snow although it seemed insignificant this year. This is my only car and I'm wondering since you've done this transition a few years ago if you would still recommend it to this day.
That car was sold to me has a wreck and with little money it turn out to be a decent second car to take the dog and the canoe to the lake. It perform the same has my other 2wd which was OK in the snow...If you want a real snow machine 4wd is the way to go, my 4wd 2008 got me throught some pretty bad storm and always made it home.
If I get an another Element in the future, definetely 4wd (city boy right now...I drive a Civic)
can I do opposite.? 2WD to AWD. or is it need to replace the whole transmission.?
Yes you need to replace the transmission to a AWD. The front differential is missing in your FWD transmission.
A dumb question, but I’m a newb. So is the 4wd considered all wheel drive?
Depends who you talk to, technically if the wheels are powered front and back its 4wd. Some people will argue otherwise
Honda's are not 4 wheel drive. They are all wheel drive when ordered that option. There is a difference. I don't want to start a debate, lol. You can google the difference. For my needs AWD is better than 4WD.
Would it be relatively the same procedure if it were with an automatic transmission? I can’t seem to find information on it online.
Not sure 100%, It should work, although there is no 2wd cover for the automatic transmission
Same except that you have to find a transfer case cover for the ATX which is *not* the same as the transfer case cover for the MTX. Back from the transfer case, the procedure is essentially the same.
@@canuckfixit7722
Okay Great, Im Glad to hear it. This is a big help.
From the sounds of what you are saying I would guess the auto transmission in both the FWD and AWD are the same transmission and are not 2 different transmissions.
I am not sure if the awd automatic uses a different transmission than the fwd auto transmission.
But in the end based on what you are saying to convert an auto awd transmission to auto fwd transmission a transfer case cover needs to be sourced from an auto fwd tranny.
@@maxnovo625 Correct. I'm going through the process soon with my '05 AWD 5-speed Element. Don't try to buy the three pieces new.; way too expensive. Instead go find a FWD Element either parts car or at a scrap yard and pull them off. I got mine from a scrap yard and they cost me $15 Cdn in southern Ontario.
Do you still have the transfer case you removed? I’m currently looking for one
Its gone...
Sticks, Stones and iron aw okay! Well thanks anyways! And very nice informative video!
I have a question, can i fit a awd tranny on my fwd ? My tranny is dead and i can only find awd, but i don't want to make the full conversion, i just need a good transmission. So im wondering if i could buy this awd and install it. Thanks
Automatic no, manual maybe
The AWD manual transmission would just need a cover instead of the front differential, the AWD automatic housing is different from the 2 WD
Do you have to hold the short axle shafts to keep them from spinning while you torque the axle nut??
No need, the axles self grab
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox what is the part number for the 2 wd short axel and where ca you get I get them
Hi follow the link for my favorite online Honda store and the other for the part #
Looks like that part is discontinue, may be try your luck at auto parts recycler.
www.hondapartsnow.com
Honda 42332-SCV-A01Shaft, Rear Axle
2003-2011 Honda Element 42332SCVA01
Honda 42332-SCV-A01 Shaft, Rear Axle
Is there anyway I can find the cover for a Honda CR-V 2001 i just replace my bad fwd transmission with a AWD
Go to hondapartsnow.com type your Honda year and model. Then choose the category of parts (ex: transmission). From there you will have a detailed diagrams with all the parts listed for that category down to the bolts
How about removal front CV axles in 4x4 to make it rear drive? I am thinking how to plug gearbox to not leak oil. Any ideas?
That would be complicated
With front open diff it is not possible without welding it. Am I correct?
@@Fosgen The powertrain design would not work for RWD, if you really want a RWD Element, Fitting a small block chevy in there could be more possible and fun too...Motorhead territory, beyond my Knowledge
Did you only need the axle spindles, not the whole shaft? What part # are the new spindle bolts?
Hi, once the rear differential is removed, the rear axles have no place to go. That is why you need the short 2wd axles. I know some peoples cut off the rear axles to turn them into 2wd axles, not sure if it work or safe.
Thanks for the response! I assumed that with taking out prop shaft and rear diff you would still have to get/install the 2wd rear axel assembly to pass inspection.. but if the spindles alone are sufficient, that works for me.. thanks for the help!
Eric, you still need a 2wd shaft for the rear wheels. Otherwise, your rear wheels will fall off, parts number in the description box.
Thank you for your time and Sorry for the bother. So did you get new 2wd differential and 2wd axels? My mechanic said he believes the problem (loud knocking) in my 07 5sp AWD is my transfer case. (might be transmission. like you, I think I would save money converting to 2wd, so will i need to buy the 2WD rear differential and new axles?
If you convert to 2wd, you removed the rear differential and the long 4wd drive shaft. Then install the 2WD short shaft, look them up on the web (part number in description box) the shaft are about 6 inch long. The short shaft are really important, dont drive without them, the rear wheel assembly will come undone
Could you convert it to rwd?
No, the gears for the RWD are built to assist, they would fail on their own. Not strong enough
Yea! Why fix it when you could just....not. Lmao, I can see going from 2WD to 4WD, but the other way around?
Its a cheap way to get a beater with a faulty 4WD back on the road
I just bought the all-wheel drive and took the back seats out and it's still runs slow. I can picture another 250 lb out of this thing should really move it.
I got 2WD + manual on purpose for that very reason. That and less to break.
@Kaiju Gojira lol!!
have you ever had to deal with a faulty head gasket on an Element? repair or new engine?
I never had to deal with a bad head gasket (touch wood...). As an enthusiast home mechanic, I would find a good motor for a swap and take the faulty motor apart to see and learn what when wrong and if possible fix it to resale or keep good parts...etc
Daniel Greene I've done gasket repair on both D and B series, It seemed like a big challenge at first but I saw some diagrams as well as CZcams tips and it ended up being very simple for me also learned about timing marks, valve lash , and the 100k water pump service. If you find a cheap replacement, that's the easiest way.
I have an awd element
Great car to own...enjoy it
Can i convert my front wheel drive car to 4wd with aftermarket parts ?
If your car brand has a 2 wd model and 4 wd model its possible to convert them with new OEM parts.
Ok thanks Joe Baker
Hey do you still have the transfer case you took out?
Yes I do, where do you live?
I know it’s old video 3 years old but did you still have the transfer case?
I do, Canada, but just a few minutes from the Maine border (I do not ship, pickup only)
I’m really want it I’m in the Usa. And I can pay the shipping too. How much you want for the transfer case?
Sorry no shipping, it gets ridiculously complicated to ship accross the border.
How much you want for it?
Where are you exactlly? Could you pick it up.
I didn't see you put the sway bar back on.
Good eye, sometime some shots get lost in editing or missed because of camera out of focus or dead battery...altough i think the video still get to the point of turning a 4wd into 2wd
Is there a video on awd conversion?
Not that I know, all you need is to swap for a 2wd transmission otherwise you stuck with a live propeller shaft at the back of your automatic transmission
i cant find that cover in the catalog
All the parts are in the description box of the video, try HONDAPARTSNOW.COM
I have honda 2008 awd honda crv, i converted it to 2wd by removing the drive shaft only. is it ok do that?
The CRV model dont have a 2wd version and i dont think the Element 2wd fit the CRV. I guess your choice is to fix the 4wd or drive it as is
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox actually, the cars differential was having a funny sound whenever i turn a corner, left or right, and it was traced to the differential box, so what the mechanic did was that, instead of fixing the differential unit which will cost me a fortune, he removed the drive shaft instead. car is running smoothly tho @ 2WD version. do i still have to remove the differential box from the vehicle?
If it works smoothly, I would not worry
@@cesaralgerre1915 I was going to do the same thing to my 2003 crv. I looked all over the net for that information. I couldn't find much, and I ended up leaving the propeller shaft in for now. The noise subsided somewhat in the differential. I changed the diff pump fluid a couple of times, maybe that helped. I was concerned that the prop shaft's spinning helped lubricate the differential. I couldn't find a definitive answer.
@@Caractacus969 hmmm its worth a try. thanks man.
Will this work for an automatic transmission??
You would need to swap the transmission to 2wd from 4wd transmission.
Is this the same process on an automatic transmission?
No, the auto transmission 2wd and 4wd are different and need to be swap for that conversion
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox thanks for replying
Part number for the 2 WD axel?
Honda 42332-SCV-A01Shaft, Rear Axle
2003-2011 Honda Element 42332SCVA01
Honda 42332-SCV-A01 Shaft, Rear Axle
Anyone know the percentage of power distribution front/rear on a 4wd Element?
The 4 wd Element is full-time front wheel drive, the rear wheel only engage when there is a difference in the distribution between the front and the rear axles. So if you only drive your 4wd Element in sunny Florida, probably you are 99% of the time front wheel drive. Up north in the snow the 4 wd kicks in a little more often.
Hey, thanks, Joe
can this be done on element with auto transmission?
The 2wd and 4wd automatic has a different transmission casing, you could swap the transmission to a 2wd or obviously fix the 4wd component
I would like to convert my 1997 crv automatic 4wd to 2wd can u help with info
Hi, found out if they made a 2wd version of your car and year. If yes parts should be easy to swap to convert to a 2wd
Sticks, Stones and iron can I do this with my automatic 1997 crv transmission????
Do you think that I could get my Acura tl converted to awd
anything is possible, but from what I have seen, nothing is bolt on ready to go on Acura, lots of custom cutting, welding..etc
Joe Baker what about an 05 RL awd with a 2010 6sp manual TL awd tranny swap?
Hi this conversion will fit to crv 2004?
I dont know if the CRV had a 2WD model, if yes sure it would work, if no I think the only thing missing for the conversion would be a cover for the transmission
Good morning my name Javier, you not how to convert automatic 2wd to 4wd. I have honda element 2011 I one to convert 4wd , please help me to do by my self thanks 01,15,24
Hello
The practical and the easiest on the wallet is to find a good 4WD parts car that is damaged enough to be a wreck but still has the whole powertrain in good conditions. The other way is to source all the parts individually to built your 4WD powertrain: so you will need:
• 4WD transmission and mounts
• propeller shaft with all the mounts
• rear differential and mounts
• rear drive axle
And probably a few other parts that I don’t remember at the moment.
It should be relatively an easy project if you can find the right parts
And best of all the 4wd engage with an hydrologic system built in in the rear differential…so no need to do any change to the OBC.
Visit Elementownerclub and other chat room where you will connect with peoples who already did this project and usually eager to help.
Visit Hondapartsnow.com for parts list and schematics
Good luck with your project
Do you know how I would find one for a 2003 crv
If the 2003 CRV were available in fwd, you should find all the parts.
6spd conversion next?
That would be fun if time allowed.
I want ur awd coupler & rear diff . Please ...
I will not ship, but you can pick them up for free.
Where can you get the parts fpr crv to swap fwd
Honda dealer or auto recycler, I don't know if CRV were 2WD or only 4WD, maybe Element parts could fit...let me know what you find out
CRV and Element parts would be the same 03-08 or so.. but why not just fix the issues with the awd? Not all that expensive and its nice to have... especially when you figure in the cost of all the parts you had to purchase from Honda.
Is there a part number for the axles and cover?
The parts # are in the descriptions box
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox yes, I saw that later thanks. Will this work on an automatic transmission? I noticed the part numbers are for a manual. I just bought the car a few days ago.
Not with those parts, you need to swap the whole 4wd automatic transmission with a 2wd (not sure if that was an option)
Big job, probably easier to fix the problem
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox I just want to get rid of it, there's no problem with it damn.
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox hey is the drive shaft sealed on the front transmission? I was wondering if I could do everything else except remove the transfer case and just leave it spinning.
hi, does this work for automatic element?
Yes and no, you can change all the AWD component to 2WD. Exept for the transmission, you would need to swap to a 2wd automatic. If you keep the AWD it will run but you will have a live propeller under your car and that could be unsafe.
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox thank you so much for the info. unfortunately, only 4wd automatics were sold in japan. i wanted to prepare and do this mod when my propeller shaft goes.
Good luck project… cheers
Hello again, do you think it will be ok to take off the prop shaft and install rear axel shaft like on the vid and make my automatic 4wd element into 2wd with a spinning front transfer assembly? Thanks for the great video.
@Dragonista89 I would not do it or recommend it, driving with a live propeller under the car seem like a bad idea, but yes it could work, although where I live it would not pass the Yearly DOT safety inspection.
Wanna do my 06 ridge line any advice
From looking at the Pilot 2wd, looks like the AT could be swap with the Ridgeline (the case look identical) and 2wd spindle for the rear wheel is available from the pilot. Although I have no clue if the Ridgeline computer would accept the swap...keep me posted if you find a way to make it work
Music?
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