Why Leaders Lie: The Truth About Lying in International Politics with John Mearsheimer
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- John Mearsheimer, professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago, provides the first systematic analysis of lying as a tool of statecraft. He identifies the varieties, the reasons, and the potential costs and benefits, arguing that leaders often lie for good strategic reasons, while distinguishing between lying to another state and lying to one's own people.
John Mearsheimer is also the co-director of the Program on International Security Policy at the University of Chicago and has written extensively about security issues and international politics.
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April 7, 2011.
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So can we release Julian Assange from prison and give him a medal for exposing American / NATO and UK war lies and atrocious war crimes.
Julian Asange , should be kept out of America , as he won't be allowed to live , due to WikiLeaks exposure of information .
THANK YOU GOOD JOB
Interesting that so much of the American Left seems to care more about a fucking middle-class Aussie hacker for the Russians and Syrians who was raised by an Islamophobic,Anglophilic,ableistic cult leader than all the indigenous activists exposing how the government has stolen,abused and raped native land for centuries and continues to poison said land with methane gas,mercury and other chemicals!No wonder you assholes call yourselves "Dirtbags"!
War is a crime.
I like history and TRUTH too. What I captured might be of interest and hope it somehow helps. Playlists hold MANY treasures. Although the video discussion examples are different than what I'm offering, it still is oddly enough topically related. My perspective on this era and history, based on my old field (for what its worth).
“Everywhere he talked people were very interested in the subject.”
Listening to this man for two minutes I think “every subject you talk about I would be very interested”.
The irony is mind boggling, while Reagan was saying "trust but verify" at the other end of the table Bush was promising Gorbatchev that if he opened his markets to US corporations, NATO would not go one inch further towards the east and Star Wars would be abandoned, making sure none of it had been written down anywhere. Gorbatchev obliged, of course, that's exactly what he had been wishing for. I can imagine his face when he learned that Star Wars had never worked, it was a total failure! As to NATO Bush couldn't find the darn doocuments they had signed that day... pity.
One of the few intellectuals you will hear say "I haven't thought of that before" when someone in the audience asks a question. He doesn't just pretend to know everything, and admits when someone brings up something he hasn't considered before.
it’s deflection
It’s amazing he was accepted within the “Academic” community, imo. He is not a sycophant.
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I suppose there is a difference between a deflection and a reflection, a pause for reflection.
To say' I have never thought about that before.. That is really a good question. ' is, in my view, to be refreshingly honest and courageously reflective.
John does that.
Well, the "I haven't thought of that before" seems extremely pretentious, though.
@@hermespsychopompos8267 No. Only if you're a overly sensitive individual who can't recognize humility because you project your own insecurities onto others' behavior.
I like this guy when he says "I never thought about that". What a true scholar.
We get the leaders we deserve. No political statement is analysed with scepticism by the mass audience. Repetition of the same lie turns it into truth.
Humanity is domesticated, controlled, blind. Only an individual has any hope of real perception, never the group.
There is no excuse for lying to the public "for the greater good" or for "national security". If there are legitimate reasons the public will clearly understand and support the policies. Lies are deception, and there is no need for deception when a cause is true.
If governments can get the majority of their people to believe their lies, they believe they can do whatever they please. This is known as Democracy.
The alternative to this theory is that the governments believe their people are too childish or stupid to react to the truth appropriately.
Both theories are poor excuses to lie.
The Key Premise is that Lying sometimes makes strategic sense.
Probably true ...
But now every leaders lies all the time ... so that's where that gets us.
If the lying is constant, it just means that the strategy is not against the competing countries but rather against those who have to hear those lies.
We may not know the reason the government is lying to us, but we may be certain that the government is lying to us. This fact is the basis underlying the pandemic response of the people. See if you can spot the government lie:
1. The virus did not originate from the Wuhan lab as a result of gain of function research.
2. Masks will stop covid.
3. Vaccines will prevent you from contracting and spreading covid.
4. Lockdowns will lower mortality rates.
Of course, that was a trick test, and all of the options were government lies.
I was listening about growing tension between Ukraine and Russia and this lecture was next. I am glad it was. Beautiful lecture.
Germany lying to the USSR before invading it, Italy lying to every country around it at about the same time, lots of other examples in that era. Relatively recently the USA lying to Russia about not expanding NATO eastwards. This can be a long list.
Well, listen to his talk in 2015? about Ukraine and the west. Mearsheimer mentions the 2008 Bucharest Summit, where he says there was a promise that Georgia and Ukraine would eventually join NATO. Maybe there was lying before, but by 2008 the US's intentions were clear.
@@DF-ss5ep red line
We may not know the reason the government is lying to us, but we may be certain that the government is lying to us. This fact is the basis underlying the pandemic response of the people. See if you can spot the government lie:
1. The virus did not originate from the Wuhan lab as a result of gain of function research.
2. Masks will stop covid.
3. Vaccines will prevent you from contracting and spreading covid.
4. Lockdowns will lower mortality rates.
Of course, that was a trick test, and all of the options were government lies.
Lecture begins at 3:26
The reason they lie is simple, "The Truth Hurts" R. A.
讲得太好了! When he comes back in 20 years, he's gonna be talking for at least 3 hours listing the things that the recent politicians did.
Excellent! This is for those sheeple who blindly believe in MSM
Hearing truth is music to the ears and the soul. Excellent.
There is one very important aspect of lying which the adepts of "noble" or "strategic" lying prefer not to mention. There are always "third parties". And when they see you reaching your goals through lies and deception they sooner or later understand that they simply can't trust even a single word from you. And that undermines totally the basis of peaceful relations and inexorably leads to war.
Beloved why time is given? What is the time for my beloved? Our time is like the MILEAGE from thy feet beloved! Do you blame a man and many, many, many like you and me. Who looks at you worth more than anything nor everything that exists! Why to acknowledge science, technology, nor to molding to create beloved? A child will say? What foundation, intent, based is thy aim. Given privilege to do what you do? Remember likewise will be your heart will be also beloved. LAUGHTERS of our innocents youngs sons and daughters is SOOTHING to God's ears. Is not me and you! But be AWAKE! And see principalities who sits in high places beloved brothers and sisters! You see what we see. Truth and peace reunite. Life given and life kept indeed. Is like why talked at all? Now what Aim is thy Aim belove. Let us have sincere conversations beloved. Like a child having sincere conversations with God. Love one another beloved
@@oliverjamito9902yes, sincerity, what the cynical are afraid of, eh? to paraphrase Swami Vivekananda(1863-1902) "no power has the strength of purity". one of the examples he lived by was; truth in thought, word, & deed.🔑💥🔓🌿👣🐾🌱🕊️
@@mindsigh4 well said beloved. Keep thy crown and I shall do the same indeed. Nothing is wasted but increased
When you really boil it down there is only one reason to lie and that is to get away with doing something that you shouldnt be doing
That is a strong oversimplification in my opinion. As was portrayed in the lecture, some lies are nobel lies, for example the one Kennedy gave
And removing the Jupiter missiles certainly wasn't something he shouldn't have done...
did you even watch the video lol
@@filipe2444 yes I did and it was just over complicating the idea that bullshitting and lying are two different things
"You shouldn't be doing" is very questionable. Sometimes people lie so they're not killed..
Differences between selfish lies and strategic lies in his argument, as I see it, is impressive explanation on the dynamics of statecraft.
I am cynical that there is much "statecraft" in the modern world, Mert Cabas. Look at the UN.
Justine trudeau has taken lying to whole new level 🤥
How do these circumstances being described relate to the mental illness, sociopathy and or narcissistic tendencies or psychopathy in our leaders? and as a follow on question, isn't it time to stop these people having power over us?
the sad truth I realized is those who crave power end it up in powerful positions, and those who dont want power end up just as helpers in their community. It's sad, what makes a person a truly altruistic person is what makes it hard for them to get elected.
Until today, I had not heard about John. He talks about foreign affairs the same as I do. Very refreshing and intelligent.
> very refreshing and intelligent
Are you talking about yourself? 🤣
When he says none of the officials stood to personally gain from the decision to go to war in Iraq despite many of them, Dick Chenney especially having such close ties with Halliburton and other military industrial complex corporations and he instead calls it a boneheaded blunder in a misguided effort to protect the country it becomes very hard to take this man seriously
thats when I stopped listening, given that that statement was so false
I see why this guy has a platform because he's hired to lie
I believe 100% of top leaders decisions are motivated by personal interests or interests of their circles.
The question pertaining to the 60 minutes interview I remember quite well. I actually watched that interview on 60 minutes. It was Saddam Hussein himself in that interview. He said in that interview: "We don't have weapons of mass destruction. In fact, your intelligence agencies and your government KNOW that we don't have any weapons of mass destruction. They're simply telling you that!" This interview on 60 minutes took place well before we ever invaded Iraq. Admittedly that doesn't mean Saddam was telling the truth in that interview, though it turns out he definitely was, but it just further illuminates that we were all warned of this deliberate hoax well before we ever invaded Iraq.
I think everyone knew or didn't care. They just wanted to kill brown people out of anger.
@@joshualittle877 Well I was there. The anger was pervasive; they wanted to kill. All they needed was justification. What's "rediculas" is your spelling.
Bush was after the oil . He inherited standard oil , from his pappy Prescott .
Saddam was put in a very difficult situation: To appease the Americans he had to state he was powerless as a newborn baby. IF he did that his still very upset neighbours, the Iranians, would take note and sweep over the borders. There was also the fact that Saddam used to be a US asset till he went rogue, and he was a US asset under none other than Herbert Walker Bush.
Saddam was a US asset until he was required to be a boogey man you mean. Just the same as Gadaffi or Assad Senior.
Mr Mearsheimer, you reminded me of my late father taught me and my siblings three principles of life. The first one was thou shall not commit murder. The second one was thou shall not commit arson and the last one was thou shall not commit a lie, the lie that could cause harm to other. You can lie to make a compromise possible. So it’s considered as honorable, isn’t it. Thanks
Rules, principles, laws, these ideas could only work if all of us were honest and sincere, that's the problem, what do you do if you have to confront someone who doesn't follow those rules?
Throughout history we saw evil people, usually looking uneducated and dirty who followed no rules and did whatever they wanted, which usually translates in killing honest looking people just for the fun of it, true evil is usually presented as having no cause. On the other hand you have those clean looking saviors, those who will defend anyone, whether they as for it or not, having nothing to gain, hating the fight but who have the moral obligation to fight evil, wherever it may be. Their basic reasoning is always the same: First they don't negotiate with bad people, they don't even talk to them and second, they have to use some evil means to rule out a bigger evil, we heard that very often didn't we? Well, THESE are the true evil ones, those who promote justice, froodom and liberty at the point of a gun, The dirty ones, we see them coming, it's easy to stay away but the saviors? It's hard to say no to them, they show such good intentions and whatever they do, it's always to protect others from evil... but who decides what evil is and what it is not?
So in the end, if bad people always break the rules and so called good people always find 'good' reasons to break them even more, what good are rules for?
Your father was sincere and he gave you good principles, as long as you don't have to deal with crooks.
@@rosesandsongs21 , Are you saying anyone who disagree with you is a crook?
@@pahatpahat9566 Of course! I am calling crooks those who take advantage of others by not following, or obeying the same set of rules and in the case of a war, for example, if your opponent uses forbidden weapons and you don't you may actually lose that war or end up dead because you think that it's a good idea to follow the rules and he doesn't, those are the ones I call crooks.
Lieing could safe you from harm, thats what it taught me :)
@@Jack32421 It reminds me of "Thou shalt not commit murder," in the context of "Would you kill Hitler?" :)
John Mearsheimer really did it. Thinking about important moral questions with huge consequences in very focused format.
This speaker can thrive in the United States. Chinese or Russian versions of this speaker are either in prison or taking dirt naps.
@@barsouk what's funny is Mearsheimer regularly lectures/lectured in China
Doesn’t support your point because he’s a US foreign policy critic. He has personally said that the Chinese love him.
@@christiang.3616 A Chinese version of this critic would be dead.
@@barsouk Be dead? Not really, sometimes such kind of speaker in China got the Nobel Prize.
John is probably the noblest liar of US. According to his theory, means is justified by the end. Hence, Trump lied about the severity of Covid-19 was for the sake of stabilizing the Americans’ mind. Trump was right, president should be the cheerleader of the nation! Thank god for having such simple-minded politicians and scholars, in the West only!
One of the very few intellectuals keeping it real.
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Sure...wasting 1.5 hours of rambling when this could be explained in all of 5-10 mins max.
@@user-gz4ve8mw9l go watch a top ten list by WatchMojo if you can't sit through an academic lecture, you dunce.
@@Shemratov That'd depend on your definition of academic lecture. All such things are perception based. But resorting to ad hominem attacks has already spoken for you clearly.
This guy is quite low level but to the masses it's no revelation he isn't perceived as such. For me he either states the obvious or makes a lot of errors. As such he's not very informative for myself personally.
John should study Boris Johnson. He's the world champ of lying.
Thank you, your talk is very interesting and in vogue right now in our country. Lies are so much a part of our society today along with the monopolies in the news & our electronic segregation online.
Thank you sir.
I cant imagine anyone in their right mind actually volunteering to go in the army/navy to go to war.
Knowing these 'leaders' lie so much. If they want a war, fight amongst themselves'. Stick it on netflix.
It's pretty common knowledge that smart people learn how to lie effectively at a young age. Telling the truth is a fools errand. Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
incredible talk and what is going on now in feb. 2022
It would be interesting to get the presenter’s view on the change social media has made for leaders to lie, not least for their domestic audience.
An engaging and modest speaker on a subject usually left to radicals.
To admit not having thought about an aspect yet - and to use a lecture as a way of learning on a subject from the view of students - seems a fine way of teaching to me.
I quite liked the amount of time taken for a debate with the audience.
An interesting question was on the definition of a 'greater good', justifying a (platonic) noble lie. As far as I have learned, this term is deemed to be ideological within democracies.
@@ybvb
"The main issue with democracy was once lies (...)"
From Pericles to *Alcibiades* and *Cleon* , the polity of Athens is as much described as a *_'demagoguery'_* as it was an effort toward a participation - and the raising of the standards of living - for sailors, crucial to maintain a formidable navy.
"Thankfully these times are relaxing (...)"
Then You must 'live on another planet', because modern _civilizations_ are _constituted_ on deceiving the masses with political *'caucasus' replacing the oligarchies of Hellenistic antiquity* .
If one looks at any headline in modern, Western media, and compares it to the study of any topic of political relevance, one realizes: *_never has there been more lies, propagated than in our, modern times_* and one can argue that it started this way by distorting the doctrine of the *'kingdom of God'* into a _secular utopia_ .
That is why we find 'president' Kennedy negotiating, *_'in good faith'_* with 'Khrushchev' on stationing nuclear missiles in Turkey - while recording his own cabinet meetings, _in secrecy_ - both men who believed in _personal bonds_ were subsequently 'retired' by their own bureaucracy...
@@ybvb
"I don't see a problem."
Then that will become Your problem as the globe is a sphere and there is nowhere to go once global conflict will escalate - regardless of whether You are content with a 'divine economy', You appear to be afraid to profess...
Born in the 1990s there will be a lot to observe and witness in the coming decades, _maturing_ Your still naive views - if You will even survive it when being dragged into it from every angle.
I think it would crucial to include the date of this talk to add an important dimension and perspective on how the time period would add content in understanding it!
The days of reckoning are here for all the lies and injustices... The truth will really waken up people....
Ultimately just let us know who is responsible of the killing of Iraqis? A told us Iraq had WMD, B told us we had firm belief that Iraq had WMD, after capturing and killing innocent peoples both A and B denying that it was a misinformation. So simple to admit publically, but the question of innocent lives which had been taken just to get rid of Saddam ? What was the fault of Iraqi people? What did they wrong?
Fantastic lecture, questions _and_ answers!
Thank you all!
im listening to this thinking " wow so refreshing to hear this at a uni talk in 2022" hahahaha its from 2012. better days.
One of the few intellectuals keeping it real 😂
@@blackandwhitejazz He's not in a kindergarten, he's giving a university lecture about the geopolitics of lying. Are you stupid?
When he avoided that ladies questions at 56:00 I need to know!!!!! Il cry
Never old …thanks
interesting talk.... incidenally, on fearmongering, if you look at the definition of "terrorist" in older dictionaries you will find that a "fearmonger" is one of the definitions of terrorist.
Also heard somewhere a terrorist is another man's freedom fighter !
lots of fearmongering going on with the media, cdc about covid-19. The survival rate indicates that the measures being taken are great examples of fear porn in action
Excellent 🌹👏
One never knows the whole truth and so expressing a strong opinion about events seems shortsighted, even foolish.
Thank you 🙏
Nick Orluk...PhD stands for Philosophiae Doctor or Doctor Philosophiae in Latin and Doctor of Philosophy (English).
Fascinating. And Bush has the nerve to appear in public as a benevolent former president when he is really responsible for so many deaths. I am thankful that you explored national mythmaking and Israel.
Thnx I needed this today….
“The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted.”
James Madison
Mr. Mearsheimer’s “words” on the the statements of the speaker at the MIT lecture he attended, Secretary of Defense of Defense Rumsfeld and Secretary of State Powell on the military action against the sovereign nation of Iraq are utter and complete non-sense.
Simply, Article 1 Section 8 Clause 11 states clearly and unequivocally, “… Congress shall declare war …”
The United States has not declared war since 1945.
The Korean Police action, the Vietnam Conflict, Operation Iraq Liberation (O.I.L.), Libya (Humanitarian Intervention) and Syria, et al are Wars of Aggression, Unconstitutional Wars.
“Whoever battles monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster himself. And when you look long into the abyss, the abyss also looks into you.”
you."
(Beyond Good and Evil, p. 146) Friedrich W. Nietzsche
Jamestown, Manifest Destiny, Monroe Doctrine, Global War On Terrorism from settlers, colonizers, to United States citizens Mr. Mearsheimer, you and me have become the monsters we set out to battle.
dennis hanna
I just finished my International relations class and I had to do an extensive paper about this. My mind set completely changed about the government. It's sad because I was just six years old when 9/11 happened and that traumatized me.
Welcome to the Matrix.
Thermite
WTC 7. the 3rd Building that collapsed.
You'd be more traumatized if you learned that your government lies again and again, and presses Russia until America gets what it deserves. This strike back might cost millions of Russian and American lives. Ask your government: in the name of what?
@@robinhood5935 So very true.
I thoroughly enjoyed this.
Great stuff.
Thanks for Sharing will read it byGod's Grace and Will
28:22 - And of course the Allies were Angel's and had nothing to do with forcing Germany into a war! It's so true that the winners get to write the history!
There is no need to obfuscate simple issues and confuse each other. There are two approaches to politics, a moral and an immoral one. The former is represented by Socrates', the latter by Machiavelli. Real politics fluctuate between these extremes.
It should be law that if a politician lies on hours they are executed for treason that day.
This talk is a fascinating topic but is a simple framing of an extremely complex topic that would,lead to endless debate with little consensus. Sorting out noble lies vs selfish lies has far too many variables.
How complicated is it?
One can have lies that are clearly selfish for the person making it, but have some plausible claims to noble outcomes.
One can have lies that are reinforced by noble myths or propaganda that one deludes oneself into believing. If I choose to believe I have noble goals while I personally profit, is that an example of a noble lie?
Also, one can make inadvertent lies because a political leader is relying on info from others who could willfully misinform those who would make decisions. This situation for example happens a lot in military operations where the pentagon lies about mission progress and casualties.
One could probably go on and on with complicating elements,. In politics, the really difficult question is untangling this mess of motives and outcomes.
Even in John’s first two examples, it’s not clear cut. In the case of republicans under George Bush and the Iraq war, one is hard pressed to argue that the administration believed they were “doing the right thing”. Dick Cheney famously was recorded expounding succinctly, and exactly the disastrous quagmire that an invasion of Iraq would represent for the nation and the region if they invaded. In hindsight, we know his analysis was entirely accurate. This was the wisdom of the US star dept and the policy makers - and yet they did it anyway. One is going to have to really stretch the concept of nobility to absurd levels to sell me on this example of a noble lie.
In the second example with Kennedy, he has an easier time making a case, but it’s not without complications.
One might argue hat Kennedy could have made the deal, and paid the high political cost of being very public about the decision. He may have believed the deal would be impossible to push forward if revealed - but this may have been speculation heavily weighted by self interest. If he could make the deal, but lose his presidency, does he still make the deal? THAT would have been very noble! It’s hard to judge the true motives and possible outcomes. Without that, we can’t say with confidence he did something noble. I think many people give Kennedy plenty of credit here because he had the good sense to ignore the voices who were incredibly hawkish and confrontational - as if just itching for war.
Why do politicians lie to their domestic audience with such regularity? It would be interesting to compare the number of lies told by those in power with lies told by those seeking to oust them from power. The first objective of any politician is the acquisition of power; or, if in power, the retention of power. All statements made to domestic audiences are therefore made with that objective firmly in mind. If the economy is doing badly, then don't worry, because the government knows an upturn in the nation's fortunes is just around the corner. If crime is on the increase, then the government has a scheme that will reduce crime dramatically. The other point to bear in mind is that most problems a nation faces stem, according to the Party in power, from the failings of their political opponents when they were in power; failings that the present government have inherited and now must put right. This means that each Party blames the other for the nation's woes and nobody is ever actually responsible for them.
So strategic lying is ok as long as long as it has a positive outcome? If Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam would've ended ok for USA, would've that make them not a lie?
US Hegemony ended when Russia Entered Syria in 2015. And if that wasnt the end then certainly Russia's recent Ultimatium to US and NATO certainly is. Considering the alliance between Russia and China its quite accurate to say we now live in a multipolar world. Whether US chooses to accept this and make a lasting peace with world nations or not will depend if they continue as a 1st world power or a 3rd world despot.
I love Mearsheimer. He believes in the US being the Superpower, but believes in a much more realistic and pragmatic foreign policy so the United States can remain the Superpower for as long as possible. Stupid decisions like the Iraq War will ruin us. We should all be worried about the situation with Iran in the coming years with this new Administration coming in.
Hillary has openly stated she wants a no-fly zone in Syria which could easily trigger war with Russia. I don't know of any instance where Trump wished for war with Iran. You should stop believing everything you hear on the mainstream media.
Miranox And I was worried about that as well. Trump has aligned himself with hawks such as John Bolton which is worrisome. He might even become the Deputy Sec of State. And the entire Republican establishment in general is very aggressive towards Iran.
John's fondness in US superpowers relies on the lie of exceptionalism which is patent hegemonic propaganda ,and BTW, no other country is buying it.
"We should all be worried..."
Fabulous. I'm still not allowed to worry about anything unless somebody in the U.S. says so...
@@blip1 Spoken like a small child.
The questioner (54min) asks for clarification on Professor Mearsheimer's classification of lying on behalf of donor's and business and these are grouped into the selfish rather than strategic lying. If acting in cahoots with oil, the military industrial complex is clearly selfish it must follow the speaker views these relationships ambivantly when seen in light of their benefits to national interest since these then become strategic and for "the greater good".
The greater good, above and beyond strategic relations between nations then becomes a selfish motivation when juxtaposed with supranational goals - i.e. those that benefit all of us. Given the origins of the event's co-sponsors this all starts to resemble an exercise in truth telling.
“I have never heard a leader lie and enjoy it besides Hitler".... well he had to wait four more years... His book needs an update
Thank god for the podium. Kept him in one place on stage. When he's presenting alone on an open stage I feel like yelling, "For god's sake someone dance with this man!"
Lol
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Yeah it does resemble a one man song and dance. LOL. But he is a wonderful speaker on the subject of American politics.
BRAVO!!!
Love the view he has about the determination of the US to spread the liberal democracy around the world, Viva la difference between us and other systems of government and we can all benefit from our differences be they religious political
There's no praise in differences in government. Government can and does liberally stifle will. The differences to be celebrated are among the people. Never include governments in any praise of different ideologies.
Call it what you like whether you and I elect them or they just assume the right to govern each system has merits people just like you and I will give them the right to make the rules history speaks louder than your opinion
@@edwardparsons5316 you make no sense. CCP propagandists?
The ironic nature escaped your reply say's it loudly conspiracy theories all over it, bliss!!
Yes, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Bush snr didn’t have interests in Middle East oil deposits 😒
Only complete democracy within a state will achieve complete peace and universal prosperity within that state.
Example: Where the citizenry, not the legislators have the power to approve or veto a proposal. This can be done electronically.
Thank you for allowing me to share my thoughts and perspectives on this CZcams site.
Salomè (live in Peace), und… Mögest Du in das Licht, der Wahrheit, und dem SEIN der Schöpfung leben.
LOL....the rationalization. If you lie "for the better of the country" (as you see it), you as the president are going to benefit, right?
Very clearly explained and understandable even for a layman like myself. We all know politicians are lying and yet we continue to elect them so we accept some kind of lying to happen as long as it is in our interest I presume ? Thank you uploading this.
Yeah Jim it's what we do we're still struggling with access to multiple media platforms and outliers, common knowledge doesn't fit. We the people will stick to the system we're familiar with, there's no change or then again we accept the totalitarian alternatives as the devil you know....
I don't disagree with John Mearsheimer often but his characterization that Saddam Hussein did not lie about WMD ignores the fact that Hussein was constantly telling all of his international neighbors about his WMDs to project power in the region.
I agree with Matt Taibbi now and even then; even if Hussein had WMD unless he was using them to threaten our national interests there was no reason to invade Iraq.
@@chucklindenberg1093 if you haven't watch vice the second man this shit gave me chills
@@chucklindenberg1093 Iraq war wasn`t cheap for US. It cost more than all oil in Iraq. But in every war are war profitable companies, like Blackwater. A lot of people in Bush government were connected with those companies. One is surely Dick Cheney.
@@bojanstare8667 *Iraq war wasn`t cheap for US. It cost more than all oil in Iraq.*
Who are you arguing with about this?
*But in every war are war profitable companies, like Blackwater.*
So what?
*A lot of people in Bush government were connected with those companies. One is surely Dick Cheney.*
I don't care.
I bet that you don't have a clue how much oil Iraq produces today though.
If JFK was already planning/ordering the missiles to be removed, then his deal with Kurschev was equivalent to giving a beggar a bag of stale bread in order to make him go away. I read about this deal years ago. Missiles on the Continent were always a political chess game, as we had SAC bombers in the sky 24/7 during tense times, as well as the nuclear submarines. SAC had a base in Ankara, and the USS Nautilus was patrolling the Mediterranean Sea, before and after the Cuban Missile Crisis. It took part in the blockade of Cuba. We had several SAC bases in Europe, about a dozen in Britain, and a big one in Greenland, as well as many other places so the USSR was ringed by a huge mass of B-52s at all times.
History of all conflicts and wars, money is the object.
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I can recommend reading "On Bullshit" by the philosopher Harry Frankfurt. There is a very essential distinction between a liar and a bullshitter; a liar actually cares about what is true, but chooses to conceal it. A bullshitter doesn't even care about what is true or false; they only care about persuading others, no matter what is true or false.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Bullshit
So what are you?
@@zhoubaidinh403 looks like a commenter on CZcams. You'll notice that the original comment does not imply the false dichotomy you're inexplicably trying to impose here.
They infiltrated the whole US politics. USSR. German. Semitic politics is just brilliant. I admire them.
They became a very strong political force.
In many ways.
Knowledge of political theology is very important
If politicians could tell the truth they would not be politicians. The best liars make the best politicians.
If we treated each politician as a liar they would start to tell the truth to get you to do the opposite.
You'd think that. But I think it more likely that they would just lie in a different way to get you to do what they want.
USSR and Germany had a non-aggression pact, they were not allies. How this came about was due to Western powers making their own agreements with Germany while rejecting proposals from USSR. In the end, fearing possible war they agreed to a non-aggression pact. As things turned out, Hitler was lying while Stalin fully believed him, so much so that when early warnings from spies and border guards were passed onto him, he would not believe it and doubled down by ordering army not to do anything that may be construed as a threat to Germany and hence trigger a war.
Politicians’ lies would have zero effect without a compliant media apparatus amplifying and validating the lie.
Didnt watch the video, but the subject is 💥💥💥
John Mearsheimer should have known that there had been, at least for some time (before this 2012 lecture) substantial literature on the subject of lying in politics. I'm not especially familiar with the specifics, but I'm pretty certain Hannah Arendt devoted a lot of attention to this in The Human Condition, Origins of Totalitarianism, and essays in "Between Past and Future," and Judith Shklar, I'm pretty sure has written on the subject. And that's just two cases I'm a bit familiar with as a complete layman. I'm sure lots of books and articles address the topic.
Senaca in the west 2000 years ago and Sun Tzu in the east are just some esteemed philosophers on this subject in the past.
But some leaders' lie, at stake millions life
You can diversify into terms like deception, spinning, white lies, bold faced lies or whatever. It is my opinion lying that lies at the basis of most human problems. Making all these distinction only clouds the subject. As does escaping difficult questions from your public by circling around their subject, for that matter. Anyway: As long as lying is seen as an admissible "social" skill the world will not change for the better.
You can't stop people from lying and that's the problem. I think you are trying to oversimplify the matter to make it more digestible for yourself.
In the other words, the goals justify the means and the most untruthful are the people leaders. The total dishonesty.
I never thought bombing Iraq had anything to do with 9/11 before, during or since 2003.
@Dominic Berry maybe but people had no say
@Dominic Berry Oh?
To stay in power!
the fact that lying in international politics didn't have a literature up to this research shows the incompetence of the field
Edit: Actually I think Chomsky has been on this for decades
"There's no way that a great scoiety could function without a great deal of spinning and concealment, but lying on the other the hand..... let's see, how shall I put this tactfully.... rhymes with "Resident Grump"?
Tried to post this re: Timothy Snyders's talk re: European interwar rise of f-, but a little disappointed in Prof Snyder's naive , passing reference to Russian interference in the 2016 election . At least, as an intellectually honest historian, Prof Snyder refrains from explicit speculation verging on misinformation, but the passing reference is concerning in its implication of a deficit of healthy skepticism over this particular issue. Curious if this will be blocked too.
The deputy, the assistant, or the advisors not "whispering" the leader the truth. They're not having an update information about the subject.
Lying Is Part of Human Nature - And That’s the Sad Truth.
The most arguable issue with China, Taiwan, and Japan is the Diao Yu Tai Islands. Based on history and geographic connection and distance, this island belongs to Taiwan, but according to all US government and newspapers it belongs to Japan. This dispute would expand Japanese territory. That is a calculated lie.
The difference between you and I John, is that I read Scott Ritter's book and understood him perfectly, so that when Rumsfeld came out and said that Saddam had WMD I knew he was lying through his teeth. How could you of all people be so easily fooled?
Can you give me a link for the book title?
7:00 - Starting off by lying about lying does not bode well for the rest of the speech! Everyone knows that feeding the Military Industrial Complex with unlimited funding is a BAD IDEA!
1:03:33 "I don't think I have come across any leaders, with the possible exception of Hitler who enjoys telling lies..." he was one election off from seeing Trump.
Please show us where Trump first touched you.
Trump only tells different kinds of lies. His are self-serving, narcissitic lies. Hillary & Co. tell strategic, carefully crafted, psychopatic lies that lead to the death of millions.
@@farerolobos9382 President Trump doesn't lie.
He just simply says whatever, not caring whether it is true or not. That isn't actually lying.
I wish I could study with Mearsheimer.
Me too!
We are though, @@rainstorm357
I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break into pieces.
there is enough evidence the iraq war was about oil and other reasons. So I have to dis agree with him about it being a strategic lie but rather a selfish lie. I can't say the same about vietnam. But its still a lie and breach of trust.
It doesnt matter, with good propaganda and willing media moguls you are good to go.
+praetoriancorps I agree, although its harder to see any personal gain by Bush, Cheney made mega bucks through Blackwater
+praetoriancorps I agree, although its harder to see any personal gain by Bush, Cheney made mega bucks through Blackwater
+praetoriancorps You are right; also Collin Powell was waving the test tube with 'Anthrax' before the UN security council - that is not just propaganda for internal consumption, its a lie before the international community, designed to drum up international support for the war.
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@@delmarae100 Perhaps Cheney was not in a position to capitalize on and invasion a decade earlier. So he warned against getting into a quagmire. The truth. A decade later, he WAS in an optimal position. Great potential personal benefit. What's a little risk for the country?
I wonder how many people are able to distinguish between nuclear and thermo-nuclear weapons.
Not everyone was bamboozled by the Bush administration about WMDs, I always try to ferret out the truth by not jumping to any conclusions but looking at any and every situation from multiple POV, good lecture and discussion…only I’m uninterested in knowing how you view liberals, types of liberalism, versus conservatism…
Read Plato Republic old writing but You find answer there ..
I would have no trouble finding leaders that lie to other countries, and I am not even talking about Stalin and Hitler.
Selfish interest or national interest
Above
World interest