Has a Christian I do believe in prayer but I believe that God also since people are way to help us and doctors and nurses are one of the people that God sends us to help Us in time of pain and hurt. A lot of people believe this way but if something's wrong with my son and it started getting real bad I would take my kid to the doctor
@OP unfortunately in the real world I don’t work like that…hospital can’t do any kind of surgery on a child without the parent’s/parents’ consent,and parents can choose to “turn to God to heal their child” and no one can do Jack cuz it’s legal 😑😑😑
Hospitals can intervene in a case like this. There was a boy who could not be cured and the treatments were awful. He had the court overrule the parents trying to make him live longer when he didn’t want it. The boy could choose for himself.
That happened here in Idaho. The hospital was surrounded by idiots led by Ammon Bundy. Drs and nurses were threatened. Law enforcement seems to be terrified of Bundy after he was immediately acquitted following the standoff with the FBI in Oregon. Absolutely disgusting!
Tv show is called Grey's Anatomy and this is season 13 episode 22. Liam came into the ER alone. He told Arizona and Eliza that he had no parents and he felt bad. He was taken to Alex. He told Alex his head hurt and he sometimes got dizzy. They ran a CT, which showed a pituitary adenoma. His parents arrived shortly thereafter and objected to him receiving any more medical care, as their religion prohibits medical intervention. They signed him out against medical advice and took him home. Later, he returned to the hospital, unable to see well. His tumor was bleeding and putting pressure on his optic nerve. He said he'd tried doing what his parents said, but he prayed and prayed and God didn't help him, so he asked Alex to help him. Alex had Stephanie pretend Liam was seizing in order to get around the need for parental consent. They took him to surgery, where Amelia removed his tumor. After his surgery, his blindness subsided and he was expected to make a full recovery. His parents are very religious and opposed medical care on religious grounds. His father was firm in this belief, but his mother told Alex that God helps those who help themselves and had driven Liam to the hospital both times.
Im pretty sure a good legal argument could be made that the wishes of the kid legally outweigh the wishes of the parents, he's the patient not them, especially given the severity of the situation and their active inaction that allowed it to progress so far
i think the case would more so be about the neglect and them being charged for that, as i don’t think a kid that young can ever be considered a guardian for themself
It is a hard legal battle because yes since children ARE to young to make decisions for themselves for permanent life altering decisions (medical proceedur3w of any kind) it does fall on the parents but immediate medical need can supplant those rights but it's hard. I just wish more religious people realized if there is a higher power like God (I'm agnostic personally I'm not outright denying of faith like a atheist I just want proof) they gave humans our advanced intelligence to do things to our earthly bodies like treat illness that God can't from his higher existence.
This is a tricky situation for someone who works in healthcare, but in the end 'child's intracranial pressure rising' with 'risk of death and permanent disability' would in fact outweigh the parental rights to refuse treatment for their child. When someone is unstable, we have to stabilize them, no matter what others say - unless it's for example, a hospice situation on DNR, or a living will, or refusal of informed consent while they still have all their mental faculties for treatment. Seeing as this is a child there is no chance whatsoever that these scenarios exist, which means - we stabilize them, and take them for brain surgery, and if the parents object, we have security handle it. The courts can figure it out after, but we have a duty to save someone's life that outweighs any religious belief out there. You have the freedom to believe what you believe, you don't have the freedom to use your beliefs to make a decision that would result in your child's death.
God isn't going to magically heal us, God gave talent and knowhow to doctors all over the world to aid us. Pray for speedy recoveries and flawless operations, not for problems to just vanish. It's so asinine that some take "Jesus is the answer" so literally. Gives the rest a very bad look.
@Primucron stfu he didn't give talent to doctors they studied and they worked their ass off to get there don't play off their accomplishment with a hehe god did it If your god was real children wouldn't be dying slow painful deaths and if he were real and was letting that happen I'd rather worship Kim Jong Un
As a Christian as well, I went into the hospital and had numerous infections. I was put into a coma for months. I know I never would have lived without God and all of the prayers for me, AS I was receiving the needed medical care... God gave us brains and ability to use with our faith. IMHO
@@Primucronwrong there are times that God does "magically heal us" as you have said. I have seen it happen, but you don't stop going to the doctor, you also trust the care being provided to you by the doctors while also trusting that God's will, whatever it maybe is done.
@@DeusVivit yea i think it's in the same concept as "do not put the Lord your God to the test." Like, you know you need medical attention but you choose to spend money on, like, booze, thinking, "ah God will save me anyway." Isn't that the same as jumping off the cliff on purpose and expecting God to save you? It's different when it's a poor person who didn't really have a choice or whatever.. like it also says in the Bible, His thoughts are greater than ours (proverbs i think) and He can see what is in the heart (also proverbs) 😅 sorry I'm not too religious.
Should be illegal for any reason to deny a child medical care. (Parents denying it) because they are a child, and they can die from this stuff. As an adult do what you want. But they are a child
Denying life saving or any surgery to increase a child's quality of life should be seen as child abuse. I know that in the UK, in cases like this that the court will overrule the parents' wishes , especially if the illness is treatable.
My aunt had scarlet fever which led to a persistent ear infection. At that time my grandma was Christian Scientist and didn't believe in medical intervention. It got to the point where the infection was becoming life threatening. My grandfather took her to the hospital and she needed a operation to save her life. The operation was successful but my aunt lost most the hearing in that ear.
That's when the doctor should tell the parents "God brought your child to me, so that I could do God's will, I am a tool of God." Whether the Doctor is a believer or not, isn't the point, it's to make the parents see sense that doctors have a purpose, to save their child. If you put God into the equation, then the parents can't really go against God, in fact it probably would calm the parents also cause they would see the doctor as sent by God to help.
@@PattyDunDidit really??? Not from what I experienced in fostercare. I mean, when I was in fostercare, I never experienced Sexual assault or abuse or being sold into slavery while in fostercare.
Not sure how it works in the US, but in Europe children have some autonomy over their health. If a child asks about their condition we can’t lie to them, we have to tell them the truth and if the child requests something their parents don’t agree with, we can call the social services or the judge to examine the situation and make the doctors the child’s temporary guardians if the parents want to put their child in dangerous situation
that can happen in the US too, but the cases that have gone to court over the last handful of decades have tended more & more towards favoring parental rights unfortunately. these extreme situations are still pretty rare, but they can result in children who die of easily preventable causes or are left with serious, life-altering disabilities.
I shed tears everytime I see this scene, seeing this boy blind hurts my heart. He is so humble and sweet, and he is so stressed, he feels its his fault because of everything he knocks over. I just wanna bring his sight back and hug and hold him tightly, and let him know I'll be his eyes forever, and let him know that everything is gonna be okay. Such a great young boy actor.🙏🏾😳😭❤️
God did give them help in the form of competent doctors 😭 Edit: Y'all, I cannot believe I am saying this, I do not worship the Abrahamic God. I do not agree with these people or what they did. I was saying that by using the "if it's God's will" argument, he still should've been taken to the hospital. Using that argument, it was God's will that hospitals exist and that medicine advanced and that there were people who were competent enough to become doctors did become them. God only helps those who help themselves and he gave them all the tools they needed to get that boy to a hospital. I don't worship the Abrahamic God, but if you do, good for you. Just don't use it as an excuse to be ignorant. And to the people shaming those who do, shame on you, because you're no better than the ones who use their God as justification for stupidity and hatred
Religious nutcases like that father in my eyes should face judgment specially if it put other people life in danger like the kid, im a none beliver but i always hear that everything is god plan so by that logic doctors are in the plan....granted wars as well but hey none beliver here i ain't gona judge cba about it
It makes me sad when shows are like “God doesn’t help.”or “I’ve prayed for my son/daughter for 3 years straight and it hasn’t shown me what I need to do”but yes God did give the kid help by making him do that at the hospital.
😢omg kid hit me hard in the feels. In a situation like this child maynot be one of mine but if present I'd step in, call out on the parents for child endangerment.
At that point doctors should be allowed to called the police and have the parents arrested for child negligence and have cps called on them as well in case they have other children regardless of whatever religion they practice
i had a massive brain tumor. i was walking basically sideways, forgetting things, and throwing up every few minutes. i couldn’t hear out of my right ear to a point my mom thought my eardrum bursted. turned out i had a brain tumor the size of an egg growing rapidly on the right side of my brain. when they told me i said get it out. i just wanted it to be over. a few days over it was over. i’ve not dealt with anything horribly crazy since rhen. i’m glad to announce im doing much better now!
My grandson had open heart surgery at 3yrs old. He is now 23. We used a cell saver. No blood except his own if this is what this about. He came home 5 days later. Brilliant job by the young Doctor who operated on him
Right, so caring parents seek ALTERNATIVE health care when one form is not acceptable. Refusing blanket medical care is vastly different. Nice job. (Is 43:10)
"Im so sorry. I promise i tried. I did what they said. I prayed, and i prayed but it didn't work. God didnt help. Can you help me Dr. Karev?" Those words and that delivery by this actor was like a gut punch from superman to the emotions. Damn these idiots cutting onions at the weirdest time of day.
The way God helps is by some of the technology we have now granted He sometimes does miracles but He still helps by sending others to help like doctors friends family etc
As someone who isn't religious, this is something even I believe about religion. Why would a god give us these resources, knowledge, and ability if we weren't supposed to use them? God gave us doctors so we had someone knowledgeable enough to help us, not so they could go unused.
You got people that throw animals into the garbage while they're alive and you have people who trap their children in basements and starve them to death. Sadly the reason people are this way is never simple and it rarely has to do with some singular specific thing
I’ve come to the point where we humans like to use any instance to justify our beliefs but if you really look at the world in an objective view there’s always something that can refute one’s beliefs. Such as the idea of karma. Why do we always say it’s karma if someone gets what they deserve, yet plenty of people die and suffer for no reasons. Same with being blessed. Why do good people get blessed by god yet there are senseless historical events like the holocaust. It all seems to be cherry picked and there’s no singular belief that can explain everything. I would like to imagine if god really did exist, things like the holocaust, and people’s good will wouldn’t be exploited “god works in mysterious ways!” Well if god is working in such a way where over 6 million of his own people die, that’s not mysterious that’s just cruel. Idk why I’m using ww2 as an example but it’s been on my mind lately.
@@mcdonaldtrump7635 You never know I mean God could have taken them out of this world possibly because of an upcoming event or future suffering for them or anything of that sort. If God wanted to take you out of this world to bring you into his, I personally would accept that offer because anything is better than being in a world/universe as messed up at this one.
@@NobleKanna you do make a fair point, I hadn’t thought about that angle before. It’s just maddening when you see such horrible instances where people die or suffer in mass due to no fault of their own. Me personally it just makes me feel like god doesn’t exist because why would such a being of high power allow atrocities like the holocaust or slavery, etc. etc. but interesting point you bring up.
@@mcdonaldtrump7635 *In Long Words*: I get what you mean, but the devil still exists if you believe in God. The answer to that would be because of the devil. God is only allowing it because of humans being able to make their own decisions which lead to mass murder/slavery/etc to happen in the first place. If God were to interfere with that then we wouldn't have free will of which he basically promised us here. Unfortunately the reason why there's more bad in the world than good is because we're living in a world controlled by the devil himself, so therefore bad things like that will happen because of his influence on people, and other things like diseases/viruses/etc. The real people to blame here are humanity themselves. Free will is something that's dangerous primarily because some people have no self control and get easily influenced. *Relating to this video*: The reason why God "didn't help" the child was mainly the parents fault because as you can see on the other comments in this video the parents were basically testing God by going "Ah just pray to God even though you have something that could kill you because we're too lazy and ignorant to take you to the doctors and because *God is going to heal you anyways*". Unfortunately because of the parents decision this episode happened. God would of course help the child with a speedy recovery, but he gave us/the doctors the skill to be able to help with things like this already so if he healed him then there would have been no point in the doctors to begin with. *In shorter words*: The bad things happen because we live in a world controlled by the devil along with humanity's free will. Those two things don't go together, the devil will influence you into doing bad in anyway he can. God gave us the ability to learn for a reason, there's a reason doctors exists and if God just healed the child entirely then there would have been no point in the doctor nor praying for the sake of the child health. The fact that the child was even brought to begin with was still somewhat enough to show that God cares about the child's health unlike the ignorant hyper religious parents.
The poor kid, he was crying and apologising and promising that he tried to get better on his own, it seems like he’s been yelled at at blamed for his medical issue. I feel so bad for him.
@@joyricherson4570 If God actually answered all prayers, He'd tell the people He's saying "no" to that He's not going to grant this particular prayer, so they can stop wasting their time and energy praying, and move on.
i love that in the beginning the doctors didn’t scold the kid and instead asked if he was ok. i know in many cases this wouldn’t have happened (yes i know it’s a tv show)
Scaring a child to think their god did not love or care about his suffering I do not understand why people would ignore answers, praying for salvation when people worked hard to provide the answers
This boy really brought this person to life with his acting. I really felt the desperate and helpless youngin looking for a way out from his painful situation. Wow!
”Hi, I’m an extremely religious person. My kid is dying, but we’re praying reaaaaaaaal hard to fight his cancer😀 Yes, there is treatment that would work, but who needs that?!”
No there is treatment that *could* work. Oftentimes it makes the patient sicker, because the goal is money not the health of a person. If people were healthy, no more money would flow, and often treatments keep going long after there is no hope, bc the doctors say "well maybe a miracle will happen" but the only thing that happens is a persons quality of life goes down in their final hours and money goes into big pharma. The exact same thing here--Hollywood pushes out religious fanatics in dramas, bc it not only makes for good drama, it turns people away from god. And yes, you DO have fanatics like this in real life too, bc people get trapped in it, then foist it on others, then if someone breaks away, they turn from God. It's all one huge cycle. Meanwhile, alternative medicine is seen as laughable, woo woo, crazy, garbage, and in some cases in some countries, "illegal" bc believing it is "dangerous" but what that really means is big pharma is in danger of not getting money when people turn to other things. All this is to say, is the treatment in your comment you say "would work" doesn't always. I'd say you need a mix of God, doctors, medicines, even open mind to alternative medicines. Gods not always going to magically heal a person, but he will direct them to someone or something that can help and THATS the prayer being answered. This boy says he prayed and prayed and prayed--well he ended up in a hospital with doctors who would listened to him and want his best (bc it's a show, but no, not all doctors want your best) IMO God answered, but not in the way the parents wanted or prepared the boy to expect. But it's not as easy as fasciteaously saying "there is treatment that would work" when that's not always true-people turn away and scoff at God and alternative medicine and cling to procedures, medications, surgery etc that DONT always work. And despite knowing this, people CLING. And they ignore they defeats, hear the successes and CLING.
It makes ya wonder if they gave it some thought if God is almighty and created everything and has a finger on everything, why the surgery couldn’t be Gods answer to their prayers?
This has reached the stage of severe medical negligence. The parents would have lost custody and CPS would have a social worker there taking over temporary guardianship.
I love what they say about this in family guy. Basically same thing happens, parents say they they pray for help from God. Lois asked what if these medicines and doctors are the answers to these prayers? What's the use in praying if you ignore him?
One of my best friends other friends died last year because her mom wouldn’t take her to the doctor. She was 14 years old. The worst part is it was bacterial pneumonia which is fairly easy to treat with medical treatment.
Lord protect the innocent from those of us that are ignorant in our faith .. we mean well but we don't always want to humble ourselves if and when our misinformation or misinterpretation of your word is erroneous. Or just plain wrong / dangerous..
This hit me so hard. My grandmother is religious too. When I was a 8-9 yrs old, I was really sick. I forgot what it was, but my grandmother wouldn't take me to the hospital. She prayed and put some essential oil on my forehead and went to sleep. It was my aunt who stood up all night, taking care of me.
There was once a stranded man in the ocean who was religious. He prayed to God for help. A fisherman came and offered to pick him but he rejected the fisherman, saying his God will help him A small boat passes by and the crew offered to help him but he rejected the crew, saying his God will help him. A large cruise ship passes by and the captain offered to help him but he rejected the captain, saying his God will help him. In the end, he drowned and went to heaven. He saw God and furiously ask God, "Why didn't you help me?" God said, "I did! I sent my angels three times to help you but you rejected all of them!"
I was really sick last year like Dead sick God gave me life again. But I also know that God worked with every DR to help me to heal me. It was a long procedure almost 3 months in hospital. I know God was working through each DR. But God gave me my life not just once in hospital but twice there. I am here cuz God gave the knowledge the needed to help me but God healed me brought me back
In Finland child protective services make sure that a child gets the medical treatment they need even if the parents wouldn't allow it. Yes we do have rights for our own religions and believes but we do not have the right to kill our kids because of those believes. It's horrible and sad that not every country does it.
Medical needs should out weigh religious views. It drives me nuts people think it's okay to force a person to be sick, especially a child, because their religious ideals tell them so.
Bro that actually made me hurt inside the way the kid pleaded for help
i wish the parents saw that
Has a Christian I do believe in prayer but I believe that God also since people are way to help us and doctors and nurses are one of the people that God sends us to help Us in time of pain and hurt. A lot of people believe this way but if something's wrong with my son and it started getting real bad I would take my kid to the doctor
religion kills people this way
Sorry God is a joke. I prayed for my mom.notnto die. Pagan now. God is a joke@@justincadzow382
@@justincadzow382gods don't exist
Parents like that should lose custody
Agreed and they should never be able to have children again
agree
wich epsode and season is this
@OP unfortunately in the real world I don’t work like that…hospital can’t do any kind of surgery on a child without the parent’s/parents’ consent,and parents can choose to “turn to God to heal their child” and no one can do Jack cuz it’s legal 😑😑😑
They frequently do, they become foster kids, through a court order by a judge.
Hats off to the kid’s acting skills
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i agree. is he acting now as an adult? anyone know?
dang I forgot that they are all acting 😮
It was too real, as a child I apologized and promised to pray more just like that….
@@jeanettegunnerson6578 his name is hudson west and he's on 'general hospital'
Hospitals can intervene in a case like this. There was a boy who could not be cured and the treatments were awful. He had the court overrule the parents trying to make him live longer when he didn’t want it. The boy could choose for himself.
I don't see why people are like this
BRO I SWEAR I WAS THE ONLY COMMENT WHEN I POSTED THIS
@@eason5244don’t want to let go
They are very dumb when God created the world they missed the brains when they were being handed out
@@eason5244religion ain't always bad, but...these individuals truly deserve hell
That happened here in Idaho. The hospital was surrounded by idiots led by Ammon Bundy. Drs and nurses were threatened. Law enforcement seems to be terrified of Bundy after he was immediately acquitted following the standoff with the FBI in Oregon. Absolutely disgusting!
It's disgusting that people have the religious legal right to deprive children of medical attention
Yes, people can even refuse blood for their children. About 1,000 JW die per Year
In England the hospital can go to court to try and over rule the parents rights, for the childs welfare, safety...
@tinamarisia123 you mean like the ones that overruled the Baby going to Italy for treatment and then killed her?
@@TheNaexis I'll have to look that one up; have not heard about it Sounds like a rare event that may be used to thwart future treatment efforts
@@gigi9301normaly you dont need blood anymore. Only on an accident scene. I had several surgerys with nacl. Or Ringer. Iam not a jw.
Tv show is called Grey's Anatomy and this is season 13 episode 22.
Liam came into the ER alone. He told Arizona and Eliza that he had no parents and he felt bad. He was taken to Alex. He told Alex his head hurt and he sometimes got dizzy. They ran a CT, which showed a pituitary adenoma. His parents arrived shortly thereafter and objected to him receiving any more medical care, as their religion prohibits medical intervention. They signed him out against medical advice and took him home.
Later, he returned to the hospital, unable to see well. His tumor was bleeding and putting pressure on his optic nerve. He said he'd tried doing what his parents said, but he prayed and prayed and God didn't help him, so he asked Alex to help him. Alex had Stephanie pretend Liam was seizing in order to get around the need for parental consent. They took him to surgery, where Amelia removed his tumor. After his surgery, his blindness subsided and he was expected to make a full recovery. His parents are very religious and opposed medical care on religious grounds. His father was firm in this belief, but his mother told Alex that God helps those who help themselves and had driven Liam to the hospital both times.
The mother is good from this explanation the father however needs to be in prison for child neglect
And what happened next, did the child receive the treatment?
What god
@@swethakavi7952Did you not read? "They took him to surgery..." "...he was expected to make a full recovery."
The kid was smarter than his parents, he went back to the only people he knew could help him if praying to god wouldn't.
Im pretty sure a good legal argument could be made that the wishes of the kid legally outweigh the wishes of the parents, he's the patient not them, especially given the severity of the situation and their active inaction that allowed it to progress so far
I agree although have you ever heard of scientologists?
i think the case would more so be about the neglect and them being charged for that, as i don’t think a kid that young can ever be considered a guardian for themself
@@mrdrone4253scientologist is made up science tho 😂
It is a hard legal battle because yes since children ARE to young to make decisions for themselves for permanent life altering decisions (medical proceedur3w of any kind) it does fall on the parents but immediate medical need can supplant those rights but it's hard. I just wish more religious people realized if there is a higher power like God (I'm agnostic personally I'm not outright denying of faith like a atheist I just want proof) they gave humans our advanced intelligence to do things to our earthly bodies like treat illness that God can't from his higher existence.
This is a tricky situation for someone who works in healthcare, but in the end 'child's intracranial pressure rising' with 'risk of death and permanent disability' would in fact outweigh the parental rights to refuse treatment for their child.
When someone is unstable, we have to stabilize them, no matter what others say - unless it's for example, a hospice situation on DNR, or a living will, or refusal of informed consent while they still have all their mental faculties for treatment.
Seeing as this is a child there is no chance whatsoever that these scenarios exist, which means - we stabilize them, and take them for brain surgery, and if the parents object, we have security handle it.
The courts can figure it out after, but we have a duty to save someone's life that outweighs any religious belief out there. You have the freedom to believe what you believe, you don't have the freedom to use your beliefs to make a decision that would result in your child's death.
As a Christian I fully disagree with not seeking medical attention when necessary.
God isn't going to magically heal us, God gave talent and knowhow to doctors all over the world to aid us. Pray for speedy recoveries and flawless operations, not for problems to just vanish. It's so asinine that some take "Jesus is the answer" so literally. Gives the rest a very bad look.
@Primucron stfu he didn't give talent to doctors they studied and they worked their ass off to get there don't play off their accomplishment with a hehe god did it
If your god was real children wouldn't be dying slow painful deaths and if he were real and was letting that happen I'd rather worship Kim Jong Un
As a Christian as well, I went into the hospital and had numerous infections. I was put into a coma for months. I know I never would have lived without God and all of the prayers for me, AS I was receiving the needed medical care...
God gave us brains and ability to use with our faith. IMHO
@@Primucronwrong there are times that God does "magically heal us" as you have said. I have seen it happen, but you don't stop going to the doctor, you also trust the care being provided to you by the doctors while also trusting that God's will, whatever it maybe is done.
@@DeusVivit yea i think it's in the same concept as "do not put the Lord your God to the test." Like, you know you need medical attention but you choose to spend money on, like, booze, thinking, "ah God will save me anyway." Isn't that the same as jumping off the cliff on purpose and expecting God to save you? It's different when it's a poor person who didn't really have a choice or whatever.. like it also says in the Bible, His thoughts are greater than ours (proverbs i think) and He can see what is in the heart (also proverbs) 😅 sorry I'm not too religious.
The kid is a really good actor.
Agree. I even go so far as to say downright gifted.
He's 16 now and plays Jake Webber on GH a role he's played for 8yrs! He's brilliant 👏
Should be illegal for any reason to deny a child medical care. (Parents denying it) because they are a child, and they can die from this stuff. As an adult do what you want. But they are a child
Yes and no, there is a line between necessary and unnecessary care. But in this case 100% the child should never be denied medical care.
Denying life saving or any surgery to increase a child's quality of life should be seen as child abuse.
I know that in the UK, in cases like this that the court will overrule the parents' wishes , especially if the illness is treatable.
My aunt had scarlet fever which led to a persistent ear infection. At that time my grandma was Christian Scientist and didn't believe in medical intervention. It got to the point where the infection was becoming life threatening. My grandfather took her to the hospital and she needed a operation to save her life. The operation was successful but my aunt lost most the hearing in that ear.
I felt so bad for this kid
It is just a kind of story acts
@@hands-up1541 yes, but this kind of thing happens in reality all over the world. Every work of fiction has a shred of fact sprinkled in somewhere
If a child is literally begging the doctor to help they should be allowed to help if they feel it is necessary, doesn't matter about parental beliefs
That's when the doctor should tell the parents "God brought your child to me, so that I could do God's will, I am a tool of God." Whether the Doctor is a believer or not, isn't the point, it's to make the parents see sense that doctors have a purpose, to save their child. If you put God into the equation, then the parents can't really go against God, in fact it probably would calm the parents also cause they would see the doctor as sent by God to help.
Parents like that should be arrested.
agreed! and kids of those parents put into fostercare while their parents are in jail for child abuse.
@@lordmegatrong1918
You both do realize Foster care is the highest in Child SA and trafficking right?
@@PattyDunDidit really??? Not from what I experienced in fostercare. I mean, when I was in fostercare, I never experienced Sexual assault or abuse or being sold into slavery while in fostercare.
Bro this is so sad I actually started to cry seeing him cry he looked so hurt and so disappointed
This boy is a born actor...kudos Man
Yes, Hudson West is brilliant 👏 he's 16 now and plays Jake Webber on General Hospital! He's played Jake for 8yrs ❤
Not sure how it works in the US, but in Europe children have some autonomy over their health. If a child asks about their condition we can’t lie to them, we have to tell them the truth and if the child requests something their parents don’t agree with, we can call the social services or the judge to examine the situation and make the doctors the child’s temporary guardians if the parents want to put their child in dangerous situation
The welfare of the patient takes precidence in the majority of cases in the US. Very rarely do you see a case like this happen
that can happen in the US too, but the cases that have gone to court over the last handful of decades have tended more & more towards favoring parental rights unfortunately. these extreme situations are still pretty rare, but they can result in children who die of easily preventable causes or are left with serious, life-altering disabilities.
The kid deserves an Emmy for his heartbreaking role
He sure did! I hope he gets an Emmy someday! He's 16 now so we shall see?
*shouting from a distant building*
“DOCTORS ARE ONE OF THE WAYS GOD HELPS US”
**When both parents died** "God why didn't you save my son before?"
"I'D SENT AN ENTIRE HOSPITAL FOR HIM!"
theres an old joke about a guy in a flood refusing help from 3 boats because God would save him that ends like this
@@twideslauriers7875yeah i remember the video of a kid saying that lol
@@twideslauriers7875 well a car, a boat, and a heli but ya
God that kid did such a great job acting
He's still doing an amazing job at 16yrs old on General Hospital!
Whats amazing is that the doctors have trained in such a way that they remain calm in such critical times and when patients are in pain.
And thoughs parents are the reason if lost faith in humanity as a whole
The way he pleaded for help. It really makes me sick that some people believe that you could be dying, but you can't have medical treatment. 😭😭
i remember this episode, the mom bringing the child to the hospital in secret, so lovely of her in the situation she was in
What is the name of the movie
@@Siibu_M_Sitholeit show called Grey Anatomy
I shed tears everytime I see this scene, seeing this boy blind hurts my heart. He is so humble and sweet, and he is so stressed, he feels its his fault because of everything he knocks over. I just wanna bring his sight back and hug and hold him tightly, and let him know I'll be his eyes forever, and let him know that everything is gonna be okay. Such a great young boy actor.🙏🏾😳😭❤️
Yes, and just as amazing on General Hospital at 16yrs old
That kid really made me feel the pain. I'm in tears.
This is a tragic scenario but that child actor made me feel the desperation of this young boy. I’m weeping with him.
God did give them help in the form of competent doctors 😭
Edit: Y'all, I cannot believe I am saying this, I do not worship the Abrahamic God. I do not agree with these people or what they did. I was saying that by using the "if it's God's will" argument, he still should've been taken to the hospital. Using that argument, it was God's will that hospitals exist and that medicine advanced and that there were people who were competent enough to become doctors did become them. God only helps those who help themselves and he gave them all the tools they needed to get that boy to a hospital. I don't worship the Abrahamic God, but if you do, good for you. Just don't use it as an excuse to be ignorant. And to the people shaming those who do, shame on you, because you're no better than the ones who use their God as justification for stupidity and hatred
Religious nutcases like that father in my eyes should face judgment specially if it put other people life in danger like the kid, im a none beliver but i always hear that everything is god plan so by that logic doctors are in the plan....granted wars as well but hey none beliver here i ain't gona judge cba about it
It makes me sad when shows are like “God doesn’t help.”or “I’ve prayed for my son/daughter for 3 years straight and it hasn’t shown me what I need to do”but yes God did give the kid help by making him do that at the hospital.
I was just about to say that like the little boys prayers is what allowed his eye sight to last until he made it to the doctors😹
That’s exactly what i was thinking
God gave him the determination to go to the hospital without he's parents
I always thought that karev was an underrated character. He has so much heart and passion for kids.
😢omg kid hit me hard in the feels. In a situation like this child maynot be one of mine but if present I'd step in, call out on the parents for child endangerment.
Liam's mom escorted him to the hospital(without dad's knowledge) to get him help.. 😢❤
At that point doctors should be allowed to called the police and have the parents arrested for child negligence and have cps called on them as well in case they have other children regardless of whatever religion they practice
i had a massive brain tumor. i was walking basically sideways, forgetting things, and throwing up every few minutes. i couldn’t hear out of my right ear to a point my mom thought my eardrum bursted. turned out i had a brain tumor the size of an egg growing rapidly on the right side of my brain. when they told me i said get it out. i just wanted it to be over. a few days over it was over. i’ve not dealt with anything horribly crazy since rhen. i’m glad to announce im doing much better now!
My grandson had open heart surgery at 3yrs old. He is now 23. We used a cell saver. No blood except his own if this is what this about. He came home 5 days later. Brilliant job by the young Doctor who operated on him
Right, so caring parents seek ALTERNATIVE health care when one form is not acceptable. Refusing blanket medical care is vastly different. Nice job. (Is 43:10)
Now this is top tier acting
Hudson West is one of the best young actors! He's 16yrs old now!
The little guy is such a good actor, my heart were hurting while he was crying and speaking his lines, felt so real! :0
He is an amazing actor.
"Im so sorry. I promise i tried. I did what they said. I prayed, and i prayed but it didn't work. God didnt help. Can you help me Dr. Karev?"
Those words and that delivery by this actor was like a gut punch from superman to the emotions. Damn these idiots cutting onions at the weirdest time of day.
I've never experienced this, or knew someone who has experienced this predicament, but that kid just made me shed some real tears in a 20 second clip.
The way God helps is by some of the technology we have now granted He sometimes does miracles but He still helps by sending others to help like doctors friends family etc
As someone who isn't religious, this is something even I believe about religion. Why would a god give us these resources, knowledge, and ability if we weren't supposed to use them? God gave us doctors so we had someone knowledgeable enough to help us, not so they could go unused.
@@ohboof the answer is pretty obvious. God didn't.
We did it all.
That little boy did an AMAZING job acting❤❤❤
Hudson West is brilliant!
You got people that throw animals into the garbage while they're alive and you have people who trap their children in basements and starve them to death. Sadly the reason people are this way is never simple and it rarely has to do with some singular specific thing
At some point the line between love and control becomes blurred, and it's really sad to see what some people use love as an excuse to do
I’ve come to the point where we humans like to use any instance to justify our beliefs but if you really look at the world in an objective view there’s always something that can refute one’s beliefs. Such as the idea of karma. Why do we always say it’s karma if someone gets what they deserve, yet plenty of people die and suffer for no reasons. Same with being blessed. Why do good people get blessed by god yet there are senseless historical events like the holocaust. It all seems to be cherry picked and there’s no singular belief that can explain everything. I would like to imagine if god really did exist, things like the holocaust, and people’s good will wouldn’t be exploited “god works in mysterious ways!” Well if god is working in such a way where over 6 million of his own people die, that’s not mysterious that’s just cruel. Idk why I’m using ww2 as an example but it’s been on my mind lately.
@@mcdonaldtrump7635 You never know I mean God could have taken them out of this world possibly because of an upcoming event or future suffering for them or anything of that sort. If God wanted to take you out of this world to bring you into his, I personally would accept that offer because anything is better than being in a world/universe as messed up at this one.
@@NobleKanna you do make a fair point, I hadn’t thought about that angle before. It’s just maddening when you see such horrible instances where people die or suffer in mass due to no fault of their own. Me personally it just makes me feel like god doesn’t exist because why would such a being of high power allow atrocities like the holocaust or slavery, etc. etc. but interesting point you bring up.
@@mcdonaldtrump7635 *In Long Words*: I get what you mean, but the devil still exists if you believe in God. The answer to that would be because of the devil. God is only allowing it because of humans being able to make their own decisions which lead to mass murder/slavery/etc to happen in the first place. If God were to interfere with that then we wouldn't have free will of which he basically promised us here. Unfortunately the reason why there's more bad in the world than good is because we're living in a world controlled by the devil himself, so therefore bad things like that will happen because of his influence on people, and other things like diseases/viruses/etc.
The real people to blame here are humanity themselves. Free will is something that's dangerous primarily because some people have no self control and get easily influenced.
*Relating to this video*: The reason why God "didn't help" the child was mainly the parents fault because as you can see on the other comments in this video the parents were basically testing God by going "Ah just pray to God even though you have something that could kill you because we're too lazy and ignorant to take you to the doctors and because *God is going to heal you anyways*". Unfortunately because of the parents decision this episode happened. God would of course help the child with a speedy recovery, but he gave us/the doctors the skill to be able to help with things like this already so if he healed him then there would have been no point in the doctors to begin with.
*In shorter words*: The bad things happen because we live in a world controlled by the devil along with humanity's free will. Those two things don't go together, the devil will influence you into doing bad in anyway he can. God gave us the ability to learn for a reason, there's a reason doctors exists and if God just healed the child entirely then there would have been no point in the doctor nor praying for the sake of the child health. The fact that the child was even brought to begin with was still somewhat enough to show that God cares about the child's health unlike the ignorant hyper religious parents.
The poor kid, he was crying and apologising and promising that he tried to get better on his own, it seems like he’s been yelled at at blamed for his medical issue. I feel so bad for him.
BRUH HES THE CUTES LITTLE BOY EVER MY HEART HURTS FOR HIM 😢
He's now a very handsome teenager 😍
Awe kid seems serious and the parents don’t care what monsters!
Growing up christian and being the kid that felt that "god didnt help me" this hit sooo hard omg 😭
God always answers even if it's not like we think it should be
@@joyricherson4570 If God actually answered all prayers, He'd tell the people He's saying "no" to that He's not going to grant this particular prayer, so they can stop wasting their time and energy praying, and move on.
i love that in the beginning the doctors didn’t scold the kid and instead asked if he was ok. i know in many cases this wouldn’t have happened (yes i know it’s a tv show)
I can imagine the panic
See acting 😢😢
You can feel his emotions 😢😢 i hope this boy make it big in life❤❤
He's doing great on General Hospital! He's 16 now ❤
The kids acting is so good oh my god
Hudson West is brilliant even now at 16yrs old! He plays Jake Webber on General Hospital
@@kristagerry8505 oh cool
I'm so glad the child knew how to ask for help
Dad is a pure evil monster. The mom seem to be mortified to confront him and the little man was in such bad medical stead 💔
Scaring a child to think their god did not love or care about his suffering I do not understand why people would ignore answers, praying for salvation when people worked hard to provide the answers
It's crazy how these might be happening irl..
Makes me grateful to have my mom..
Tho she can be a bit overprotective, but at least she cared..
This boy really brought this person to life with his acting. I really felt the desperate and helpless youngin looking for a way out from his painful situation. Wow!
Hudson is a brilliant actor ❤
Seeing this boy upset with his condition breaks my heart. It's so sad.
Stuff like this should qualify as child neglect and be cause for serious consideration of revoking parental rights.
”Hi, I’m an extremely religious person. My kid is dying, but we’re praying reaaaaaaaal hard to fight his cancer😀 Yes, there is treatment that would work, but who needs that?!”
No there is treatment that *could* work. Oftentimes it makes the patient sicker, because the goal is money not the health of a person. If people were healthy, no more money would flow, and often treatments keep going long after there is no hope, bc the doctors say "well maybe a miracle will happen" but the only thing that happens is a persons quality of life goes down in their final hours and money goes into big pharma. The exact same thing here--Hollywood pushes out religious fanatics in dramas, bc it not only makes for good drama, it turns people away from god. And yes, you DO have fanatics like this in real life too, bc people get trapped in it, then foist it on others, then if someone breaks away, they turn from God. It's all one huge cycle. Meanwhile, alternative medicine is seen as laughable, woo woo, crazy, garbage, and in some cases in some countries, "illegal" bc believing it is "dangerous" but what that really means is big pharma is in danger of not getting money when people turn to other things. All this is to say, is the treatment in your comment you say "would work" doesn't always. I'd say you need a mix of God, doctors, medicines, even open mind to alternative medicines. Gods not always going to magically heal a person, but he will direct them to someone or something that can help and THATS the prayer being answered. This boy says he prayed and prayed and prayed--well he ended up in a hospital with doctors who would listened to him and want his best (bc it's a show, but no, not all doctors want your best) IMO God answered, but not in the way the parents wanted or prepared the boy to expect. But it's not as easy as fasciteaously saying "there is treatment that would work" when that's not always true-people turn away and scoff at God and alternative medicine and cling to procedures, medications, surgery etc that DONT always work. And despite knowing this, people CLING. And they ignore they defeats, hear the successes and CLING.
Denying*
It makes ya wonder if they gave it some thought if God is almighty and created everything and has a finger on everything, why the surgery couldn’t be Gods answer to their prayers?
@@jamesbass544Exactly. God gave them what they needed and they ignored it. Ridiculous.
This is not of God this is deception God created doctors and surgions what you are doing is abuse denying your child medical care.
This has reached the stage of severe medical negligence. The parents would have lost custody and CPS would have a social worker there taking over temporary guardianship.
This little boy is an amazing actor!
Hudson West is the best 👌
Heartbreaking,,,poor child
I love what they say about this in family guy. Basically same thing happens, parents say they they pray for help from God. Lois asked what if these medicines and doctors are the answers to these prayers? What's the use in praying if you ignore him?
"Can you help me Dr. Karev? Can you fix my eyes?" 😢
One of my best friends other friends died last year because her mom wouldn’t take her to the doctor. She was 14 years old. The worst part is it was bacterial pneumonia which is fairly easy to treat with medical treatment.
Jeez
Lord protect the innocent from those of us that are ignorant in our faith .. we mean well but we don't always want to humble ourselves if and when our misinformation or misinterpretation of your word is erroneous. Or just plain wrong / dangerous..
I had the same thing as the boy. Three brain surgeries later the tumour's gone but I am partially blind
Praying does help but you also got to take action yourself too for it to work out I’ve learned that
These two so-called parents. They don't deserve this child.
Woah woah woah, why the hell is his father angry that the doctors did their job and he didn't do his job as a father?!?!
Fun fact: the actor who plays the boy's father is the husband of Camilla Luddington (Jo Wilson) in real life.
This kid seem precious. Not to sure on the out come but pray over him
this kid is an amazing actor
Hudson West is brilliant
This hit me so hard. My grandmother is religious too. When I was a 8-9 yrs old, I was really sick. I forgot what it was, but my grandmother wouldn't take me to the hospital. She prayed and put some essential oil on my forehead and went to sleep. It was my aunt who stood up all night, taking care of me.
There was once a stranded man in the ocean who was religious. He prayed to God for help.
A fisherman came and offered to pick him but he rejected the fisherman, saying his God will help him
A small boat passes by and the crew offered to help him but he rejected the crew, saying his God will help him.
A large cruise ship passes by and the captain offered to help him but he rejected the captain, saying his God will help him.
In the end, he drowned and went to heaven. He saw God and furiously ask God, "Why didn't you help me?"
God said, "I did! I sent my angels three times to help you but you rejected all of them!"
You’re kid almost lost his vision give him a fuckin break with the actual care he needs
I know this is a show but, this made me cry hard.
Bro, my heart :( that poor boy
Someone should call child services
Tbh I think this should be considered child abuse. F your religious ignorance
That boys acting is truly incredible
It hurts me so much seeing the child's begging😢😢😢
I feel so bad for the kid😢
I was really sick last year like Dead sick God gave me life again. But I also know that God worked with every DR to help me to heal me. It was a long procedure almost 3 months in hospital. I know God was working through each DR. But God gave me my life not just once in hospital but twice there. I am here cuz God gave the knowledge the needed to help me but God healed me brought me back
Guys i actually cried watching this 😢
In Finland child protective services make sure that a child gets the medical treatment they need even if the parents wouldn't allow it. Yes we do have rights for our own religions and believes but we do not have the right to kill our kids because of those believes. It's horrible and sad that not every country does it.
Me and my siblings nearly died many times due to medical neglect by religious parents. Its painfully common and horrifically legal.
Medical needs should out weigh religious views. It drives me nuts people think it's okay to force a person to be sick, especially a child, because their religious ideals tell them so.
This kid almost made me cry
Hudson West really can make people feel.... love him on General Hospital as Jake Webber! Hudson is 16 now 😂
Ngl, that kid is better off an orphan. And I'm not going to say where the parents are going.
Lil man god heard your prayers he guided you to the doctor's
Allah save him by sending him to those doctors
I'm not crying, you're crying...
His pleading broke my heart😭
😢😢😢ALL CHILDREN SHOULD BE PROTECTED FROM ALL LEVELS OF STUPIDITY AND IDIOTIC BEHAVIOR NO MATTER WHAT
When your religion affects the health and wellbeing of others, ESPECIALLY CHILDREN, start looking for a new one.
I think that sometimes God says no and lets someone else take the wheel.
He never says no he lets his power flow through others
This boy is doing a phenomenal job! It’s so easy to believe his words and we forget about that’s movie.
Hudson West is brilliant even now at 16yrs old on General Hospital!
I know this is a series, but it's sad when you think how many of these people actually exist.
Which season and episode is this?
Please call the police and arrest the parents 😢
"Pray doesn't help" That's straight forward enough.
"Of course I'll help you. God sent me to help you!"