Horrific Life of a Male Concubine in the Roman Empire
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- čas přidán 20. 09. 2023
- In the intriguing realm of ancient Roman matrimony, the concept of marriage diverged significantly from our modern understanding. Back then, a marital union was less about love and companionship and more about transactions and alliances. What's more, infidelity among husbands was not just commonplace; it was practically expected. These dalliances ranged from casual encounters with courtesans to more enduring affairs. While these extramarital liaisons often involved women, it was equally customary for men to engage in romantic trysts with their male counterparts.
Tiberius, the Jeffrey Epstein of ancient Rome
He wasn't the only one!
Isn’t Jeffrey Epstein straight?
Was thinking the same thing ..
Worse than that. Though Tiberius didn’t have an airplane.
the age of consent was 8.
Pederasty was very common; your father would hand you over to one of his friends or a high ranking male that he was a family friend to teach, and often having sexual relationships with them was not considered abuse. There was no such thing as gay or straight; sex between males was common and expected; sex with women was for procreation only.
@lglg6950 What you described was ancient Athens. Ancient Rome was different to this
@@Aussiemarco it was both
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty
That's why Rome was full of female prostitutes lmao such ignorance.
sure sure, that's why Rome was filled with female prostitutes lmao ignorant
Being “not considered “ abuse doesn’t make it not abuse. The same way slavery was not considered wrong but it certainly was and is.
This is what Saint Paul’s letter to the Romans was condemning. Not for being gay, but about married men straying from their wives.
And why foreigners should study local customs, instead of condemning them. What did Paul know!
That is incorrect.
eh who cares what that anti-sex wacko wrote
@@jamest0m the point was that the customs were wrong according to Jesus.
Doesn't sound much different than happens behind some closed doors today....
Yes I always obey and do whatever the men wish to please them
This was cultural, Social and was also a military thing.
Marriages were delayed, but I wonder why. But then you had to have dowry money and stay in your class.
Homosexuality wasn't always/isnt always about some great longing. There are always opportunists even among heterosexual, as for instance in The Producers when one of them romances old ladies to get money to finance plays on Broadway.
Correct. Not born gay, heteromen abuse kids, and they, in turn, turn gay. It's the hetero that abuses.
People are the same everywhere in the end. What's acceptable culturally and how culture shapes desire changes. So a few people feel desires for children and far more for adolescents throughout history. But what exactly is encouraged or taboo changes over time and place.
So gay exists from the beginning of time
No, pedophilia did.
Yesterday the press published the first ever images of two hump whales mating. It was two males. 😊
Also in other great apes
And, penquins.
Yes, gay has existed from the beginning of time.
It was a great video thank you !
Glad you enjoyed it
Love knows no boundaries at all, today's society is so hell bent on what people do with each other, that society forgets about the real problems facing the human race, war,famine, species extinction and pollution of our seas, air, and land, it's pretty damn sad in my opinion
"love knows no boundaries"? lol more like lust knows no boundaries, real love respect boundaries
You forgot to mention the lack of good dance music since the 90's
@@Jeff-jn4uj you are right, that's the real tragedy...
@@ClaraLemlichRuleswhat dost thou mean.......there exists great dance music in the current millennium
Best comment, thank you Robert, totally agree.
There was a similar system during one of the Japanese Wakashu era (boy with older man, not two men together, which is fine). It does not make it right, but it might make us think about the nature of these relationships. He was not called Antonius, but Antinous.
When it comes to historical practices, don't forget "age of consent" is a comparatively modern, some would say very much a 'western' construct.
You can look at it as you like, but from a moral perspective, using underage people of either sex by ",owners" is/was wrong. Paganism was only about pleasing gods not morality except for heroes and then about loyalty and courage.
This was interesting. Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it!
The comments about pedophiles, hearts in the videos and how disturbing or odd the videos are is surely the point that sexual norms and culture was VERY different to what we understand today post Christianity and Victorian hangovers.
Different times, different morals and ethics.
@@Erin-Thor Well, this is not the 3rd century. Our cultures, beliefs, and morals have advanced and evolved. We no longer want to watch people getting fed by lions in an arena. We don't want to watch two men fight to the death with swords. We don't wish to see that on national TV or the Arena because it is wrong. And today, we will not accept pedophilia because that, too, is wrong.
Hangovers and hangups...and if I think it's wrong, then YOU shouldn't be allowed to do it. And we think this is progress, that we're so refined and they were so barbaric.
@@kennethwilliams4874So are you telling we should let people practice pedophilia and slavery?
There are many things Romans and Greeks got wrong. Slavery and pedophila are two of those.
Interesting that Pythagorus, author of a famous theory in geometry about triangles, was established in a love triangle.
Different Pythagoras. The mathematician lived several centuries earlier.
and...IN 2024, gay marriage is Still AN ISSUE?? For what reason? We certainly have bigger things to worry about right now! I don't care what, or who you are....as long as you do no harm to others.
They had same sex relation but they were still engaged with a woman and had children. That is the MAIN DIFFERENCE
@@luclafor Like that isn't a thing now??
@@luclaforyou are a troll 😂
And they wonder why ROME FELL???!
@@lynnmeyers10 What are you sayng?
Sickening how they treated children.
this was normal for girls so why wouldnt it be normal for boys?
Childhood was invented by the Victorians. Before the 19th century you were simply a young person, a tradition of exploitation that persists in many cultures today with child soldiers or child labourers working for a penny a day as examples.
They weren't children, woman, they were adolescents. Adolescents are not children.
The Romans had to choose between their slaves who were mainly northern barbarians to have😏🤤🍆🥵..
Caucasian Slave Owners did the exact same thing to the "male" and "female" children of the slaves.
Love the hair styling
Yeah. Pretty cool. I have way straight hair that is prolly too floppy to look like a Greek or Roman.
This is all very interesting, but you basically talked about only the elite. What about the commoner? Was this behavior seen there as well or was it treated differently. Did male concubines only exist for the wealthy? Was it common practice outside those in power?
Good question we will dig into that in our next episode
@spocksvulcanbrain Concubines (both female and male) were for the wealthy. A visit to the local brothel for a quickie with a prostitute (both female and male) was for the poor.
what do you think? of course it was upper class who did this. Also, where are the lesbians in here? Sexist and abusive old Rome.
Farmers were too busy, probably with the land and their herds.
It seems it's usually in history the older richer people who start sexual cults. Boredom and secularism as well as narcissism are some causes.
Yeah I was wondering that too...but I feel like it was the wealthy that they could afford the boys
It should be considered that the shocking examples presented here do not represent the behavior of all Roman citizens.
The name of Hadrian's companion is "Antinous" not "Antonius". Please get it right, otherwise it takes credibility from your video.
Also paederasty was not the same in Greece and Rome, with adolescent Roman citizens were not supposed to be the object.
@@abmindprofPlus Caesar was rumored to be in the same sex affair as a young man. Political enemies alleged the story,so it is hard know if it was true.
@@abmindprofaccording to who?
Here's a mention: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_in_ancient_Rome#Sexuality_and_children
@@lynnmeyers10
Yes, Antinous would have had a Greek name being from Anatolia.
What picture from russian court is doing here??? 0:13
That video is full of historical mistakes : confusion between greek and roman sociology, ridiculous AI illustrations showing anachronistic costumes, big mistakes in character names (Antinous, NOT Antonius !!!), etc, etc, etc. The subject was interesting, but its treatment is catastrophic.
The sad part is that this is very true in those days. Many people think that this stuff is made up, or over exaggerated. This video could have gone alot farther actually. Glad they didn't, though historians know the stories.
"Sad"? What exactly is "sad" about this? It's hot af.
Why is it sad? lmao 🤣
@@stevenledbetter80 you're right it's not that upsetting that humans used other humans for any kind of deplorable thing you can think of, or unbearable labor you can think of. Everyone loves some of the thoughts of Antiquity but everyone dreams there a in this world with power. Sorry bro you're a Pleb
@@stevenledbetter80 imagine asking why child abuse is sad.
@@Serjo777 child sexual abuse and predator adult men.
I don't think the person who wrote this narration has the slightest knowledge having to do with Roman social conventions.
How do we know that Nero didn't have an incestuous relationship with his mom?
How do you propose proving a negative of that kind?
I can't imagine proving he slept with mom, but he became incestuously murderous at some point.
So many were. So, it was. Nurture probably with a corrupt, immoral societal tyranny.
There are several old classic films that portray those times. Not history but rather good--Quo Vadis, Demetrius and the gladiators, Gladiator, THE RISE AN D FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE, and more.🎉
Nice video, very interesting. But watch out...the name of Emperor Hadrian's lover was Antinous and not Antonius. It seems a small difference but instead it is remarkable, Antinous was a Greek name Antonius instead a Latin one. Nevertheless, keep up the good work!!!
ANTONIUS 😅🤣🤣🤣 Hadrian's lovers name was ANTINOUS you genius
Hadrians Ziehsohn hieß nicht "Antonius" sondern Antinoos, was einen anderen Wortstamm hat !
Mit der anglo-amerikanischen "Gelehrsamkeit" ist es auch hier ,wieder einmal nicht weit her ;)
The artworks in this video are fantastic!
Thanks
It's called AI
AI generated
No, it's not. It's very lazy AI work, a lot of hands with 6 fingers...
@@RobPhilip69 LOL!!
Video title is misleading tbh. You had some examples of harsh emperors (individuals with too much power who were beyond reproach for their infractions) at the end of the video and some of what they did was horrific but most of the video and the overarching culture didn't seem to be as such.
Rome went there. Everything you can think of was done. Doesn't mean it was accepted or good. Remeber also, lead pipes everywhere! Lead poisoning is a huge factor here as well as inbreeding and corruption.
And, Pax Roma, architecture way ahead of its time, beautiful art and sculpture, no hang ups about sex. Everything you can think of was done. Doesn't mean it wasn't accepted or bad.
@ptownRandy1 doesn't mean it was accepted or good either.
Those men ruled Rome or Greece. Don't blame it on lead poisoning. They had great art, architecture, lots of
conquest. They were just abusers who did as they pleased with underlings. I doubt the children were much more than slaves for the most part in origin
Mentoring is debatable in my opinion. Noone knows what mothers and the serfs and lower classes thought. They don't care much, it seems.
@@lynnmeyers10 I never mentioned mentoring. Also, inbreeding and lead poisoning had a lot to do with the minds of Romans. But, that's not an excuse and I didn't mean to imply otherwise. The Romans, were sadistic and cruel and took pride in knowing how to prolong human pain. Sure they also had great art, and architecture and science and great laws, but that doesn't make up for the brutality. It's a complex dichotomy.
@@user-ut1rg1xz3m Mentoring mentioned in video.
@user-ut1rg1xz3m well, fighting so many other countries. taking so many slaves, a philosophy much copied from Greeks.
No doubt they admired Athenian and Spartan culture.
The other corruption, I'm not sure where it came from. But they had a good many sexually perverse emperors at the end.
Maybe it has to do with totalitarianism or paganism, but Ancient Egyptians married siblings and like Romans, became gods. So, what can we deduce from that as far as origins?
I'm not sure, but Aztecs and Incas did it. I don't think North American indigenous did that. Hard to blame it on lead plumbing.??? Hmm? *Video mentioned mentoring).
So pitcher and catcher!
I'm the catcher
Odd image to go with Tiberius, who was over 50 when he became emperor and famously had for years suffered from disfiguring facial skin issues.
Ai images are so freaky and uncanny looking, the part with young boys next to the old guys was uncomfortable to watch
Id like to see the historical references for these assumptions.
This will all come back when Christian morality atrophies.
😂
Ya tu estás atrofiado.
Please mention Sporus and Sabina please
Fabulous but this was all covered in the Starz show Spartacus.
Love is the ultimate expression of our common humanity , and will always transcend social taboos , But their are times when you must walk away.
The age gap in the relationshis described was not old man and young boy. The age difference was generally only a few years in the traditional Greek Erastes and Eromenos relationship.
Whether or not ancient Romans or Greeks categorized people into hetero, homo or bi - those realities existed then just as they do now. There were men and woman in the ancient world who wanted and had sexual relations only with their own gender because that is who they had sexual and emotional affection for. And there were people who felt this for both genders. And there were those who desired sexual relations exclusively with members of the opposite gender. That is just human reality. How anyone calls it, defines it or labels it doesn't change that fact.
Never change a running system!
And we think an unpaid internship is exploitive? Does the tempo of AI narration start to grate on your nerves too?
How does anyone know these things actually happened? Who documented it? I find it all rather dubious.
Ancient Romans did have a language and writing system. They documented a lot of what happened in their time.
@@YelloLibra83 and most of it is not here
Because of this depravity and decadent lifestyles Rome fell.
No fool
How idiotic. Rome extended itself into a huge empire. Over time, they could not support it with men or money. This was combined with very aggressive pagan barbarians who constantly attacked the Roman borders and in many cases succeeded in their invasion. What people did in bed had nothing to do with this. Due to the fall of Rome, we had a DARK AGE of over 1000 years. So much knowledge was lost. Did you know that it wasn't until 2024 that we figured out why Roman cement lasts forever while ours corrodes quickly over time? A hint: The Romans heated the cement.
So will Mmrrrca fall. Who’s more depraved and decadent than DJT, aka Jesus?
Actually it was the barbarians and the lead and hot baths reducing fertility…
jack etc: Read some history, think about it some more, and then come back and see whether you still think this comment is accurate.
I'll give you a couple of hints:
On which day did the "depravity and decadent lifestyles" suddenly become too much?
Did the Roman Empire grow or shrink? When and why?
Interesting. You speak very clearly!
Thanks 😊
its AI generated voice.
I think CZcams knows me too well.
The picture quality in your video is very low. What AI generator are you using? You even can't afford a subscription to Midjourney to generate high-quality and interesting images? As far as I understand, it's about ancient Rome. Then why are some characters in the images wearing ancient Russian or medieval costumes? Why deceive your viewers?
We will work on that !
Ai deny this type of picture!...
@@historymadeeasy the standard reply from AI
Did everyone in the Roman Empire have those malformed, AI drawn hands?
The Founding Fathers Episode is due out in January.
Ohhhh Noooo!
What beautiful faces you have created!!
Ah, the GOOD old days.....
Helllll yahhhh!!
Yesssss
Wish I was friends with Tiberius back then...😉😉
Wise words😂
this happened in pakistan ?
Bacha bazi
who. s that hand on boy's shoulders on minute 2:14?
What about the six finger hand on the older guys shoulder?
Lust is a deadly sin. It not only corrupts the spirit as with envy, wrath or pride but it also corrupts the physical body via various diseases. But if that is your particular predilection, well, good luck
Sporus was castrated not by Nero but in the course of his initiation into the cult of the Great Mother.
there's a lot that's not correct in this video
These things still happen today but behind closed doors. In specialty fields like art, acting, dancing, figure skating, minor/ major league basball, football and basketball, and so on.
Just human nature that's all it is
What? Child sexual abuse? I hope you don't mean THAT,
@@lynnmeyers10 no I didn't mean that way I'm not that it's been going on so long that it must be a part of you and nature I guess sorry if I defend you but I didn't mean way of sound
Nothing is New under the Sun.
Get used to it, LGBT have been here since the beginning of time.
It was commun to have lovers in the army.
Where are the references? How do we know all this? Seems unlikely it was all recorded history.
it's all AI crap
Modern understanding has diverged from the ancient. And Hadrian's young beloved was Antinous, not Antonius. If you're really interestedin this, look up the Sacred Band of Thebes, for the Greek precedents of the ROman practices. THe biggest difference is that in the wealthy countries nowadays machinery does a very great deal of the heavy lifting that used to have to be done by human beings, mules, oxen, elephants, etc
This is history. All history is based on the beliefs of the time in which it happened. It is not disturbing. Love and sex is so fluid all over the globe, it cannot be judged by todays beliefs.
Also today's beliefs are Bee Ess ..
.. and go against human nature.
"love and sex"? you mean lust and rape
Great and very true observations, thank you Randolph.
lol you are all nuts, literally lmao 🤣🤣🤣
A challenge with inter generational intimacy of ancient times, contemporary predators point is out to make sense of and justify their abuse. That being said - mutually consenting, informed, constructive behavior is their own business.
So tired of AI
Hadria's famous companion was "Antinoüs", not "Antonius". Check your sources.
Not the perverted things I remember reading about in history books.
balone! those creepy Romans and today's creepy society....wether poor or rich...had all the same desires....TWINKS!.
This is exact!!
this still happens among the elite
Sporus was the wife of three different emperors
Erastes were not that old. They were in the 20s and 30s.
The ending of your video shows your disconnect from all the sexual variants practice today, yesterday and tomorrow....
Lust knows no limits.
And they wonder why ROME FELL??!
And this is why Rome fell.
What do you mean?
Así es .
Well Roman Empire lasted more than a thousands of years. Roman Empire eventually became Christian and move the capital to Constantinople. The Empire was eventually divided into east and west , the west Roman empire fell due to poor management and east live longer as the Byzantine Empire and ended when the Muslims invaded the Constantinople. Therefore it isn't the reason thought.
@@lanzdy9215 such a powerfull ancient empire
@@marco8696 Indeed, I once watch about Roman weapons and warfare Documentary. Romans has many unique military weapons design that gives it advantage in warfare. Roman generals were also knows how to utilize various tactics such as battle formations and terrain which is a key part in Roman warfare. This is how Romans manage to expand and control a vast territory for a thousands of years.
The hearts floating around when talking about grown men and teenage boys was really odd, giving off pedophile vibes. It would be one thing to show them side by side like in the video. But the hearts flying around? That was disturbing.
We will do better next time
Yes it is disturbing they were way to young for that kind of relationship.
Grow up.
Nothing "disturbing" about that. What's disturbing is modern people's weird attitudes towards sexuality. Also p-philes are not into teenagers so wtf are you talking about?
Sexual attraction of men to teenage boys is not paedophilia. It is Hebephilia for young teenagers, Ephebophilia for middle aged teenagers and Teleiophilia for older teenagers. Paedophilia relates only to pre-pubescent individuals.
Judaism and Christianity have always objected to this lifestyle. Romans and the Greeks worshipped several Gods and did not follow One God, or a set of commandments such as the Ten Commandments. This is the reason for the relationships between men, and not the theory that "they did not want their wives to give birth and die during birth".
The AI-generated visuals and narration are an interesting choice in this video. The gaffs and terminology mistakes do not lend credence to the video. The phrasing used indicates an AI-generated script, so all of the information is suspect. I question if this video has even been reviewed by a legitimate expert of Roman history.
Ну нифига себе!!! 😮
'Antonius' was actually Antoninus.
Complex roman stories, mad😅
I refused that sexuality for years
Stop conflating sexuality with gender! Gah!!
I always figured the reason Vito acted so homophobic was because he was hiding his predilections behind a facade of rough and tough machismo. Seems very rampant among many of them ;-)
If you remember it was Phil Leotardo who acted overly and violently homophobic when the truth about Vito emerged.
stuff you wont learn in middle school or high school
Read Suetonius’ “The Twelve Caesars” in Robert Graves original translation if you can find it. Of course, no one knows how reliable that really is.
yes lets explain the sexual behavior in antiquity in 16 minutes.
The computer-generated faces are very good looking. I think the costumes are mostly fanciful and over-elaborate. But in one picture the man has his right arm round the boy's shoulders and another right arm in front of himself....
2:15 wait, how many hands and fingers do they have?
I have come to think "same-gender" rather than same-sex is more appropriate. This is not to say the word "sex" is the problem. Many can't get past homoSEXual implying this is who and what we are all summed up and nicely wrapped gifts, bow and all. Being in a male/female relationship is not all wrapped in the sexual aspect. It should be seen as a species quality. Homo sapiens are, like all species, about reproduction. Neither heterosexual relationships should be labeled by sexual relations. And the same with homosexual relationships. We don't spend all day wrapped around each other with no other shared interests.
"My son isn't racist, i have a black friend"
wtf?
Wow ! Good looking young guys they had back in them days. I'm saving up to buy a time machine.
🤮
That was a disgusting comment do to the fact I was knocked unconscious and sexually assaulted by a football 🏈 coach at the age of 7 years old in 1973 Wilton CT it's wrong period back in that time it was wrong period these were boy's being sexually abused
I'll donate if I can reserve a seat.
Go to Asia. Plenty of young looking beautiful lads and they're not minors. You can easily find a 23-30 something that look like teenagers
I've already booked my reservation for the time machine.
Very disgusting lives these powerful rulers led , what?😮
But what disturbs me about these "histories" of ancient Roman depravities is that what they miss is that other nations peoples had just as many deoravities and even worse. Compared to which the Romans were civilized. The only reason we know about the romandy is bc they had a highly developed system of writing.
Fair point.
"Horrific"?
Tops and Bottoms? Call it as it is
Why are we talking about Greek customs if the video is supposed to be about Roman ones?
Because it was more of a custom in Greece and Sparta. Even when men there were married. I knew about this long ago. Infact it put me off the film Zorba the Greek.
The Roman Empire included the area that today is Greece.
@@lynnmeyers10 you're missing my point. If you're talking about Roman customs and you start talking about Greek customs, which were very different, and using Greek words, which Romans didn't use in this situation, to discuss how Romans did things, then you are being misleading. You have to at least preface it by saying, "hey, by the way, right now we're talking about what Greek custom was like and the Greek words for it". Because the two countries did it in entirely different ways.
@@tubulardude44 you're entirely missing my point. The video about Romans starts talking about Greek customs, which were entirely different and between the same social caste, and using Greek words, which were not used in Rome for this situation, without prefacing that they are talking about Greeks in that moment, so that makes it sound like they're talking about Roman custom. But they weren’t, They were talking about Greek custom using Greek words, which is entirely misleading and inaccurate. All I was saying is, if you're going to start talking about Greek stuff, you need to actually say "by the way, right now I'm talking about Greek stuff, not Roman stuff", because it's not accurate to make it sound like Romans did it the same way, because they did not.
@touchstoneaf so? It's called conversation. It isn't a classroom on here. Relax. Besides the rest of us can follow it. Can't you? I hope so.
Awsome time😮😂
Who new in regards to men and sex in Roman life 😊
Hell must be full
Politicians were gay
The music is annoying.
We will work on that
It's a matter of taste. It was annoying TO YOU. I loved the music.
@2:12 there are way too many fingers for 2 people.
Samurai did this too in old Japan also chines has male concubine .
Life is for exploring !
Yes it is. And I love tryin new things. Kevin from wv
If anyone interested let me know
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