Yuval Noah Harari and Jared Diamond in conversation
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- Yuval Noah Harari and Jared Diamond in a conversation moderated by Ronaldo Lemos during the 'Global Citizen' event at Teatro Santander - São Paulo, Brazil - November 6, 2019.
2 humble literal geniuses. What a delight!
Absolutely. Both writers are international treasures.
I agree with you about Yuval's humility but you might research Diamond. He is far more egocentric and opinionated whereas Yuval always asks questions but rarely says he has the solution.
I would always think yuval’s books are inspired by Guns, Germs and steels. Anyone here 🤞✋🏻☝️🙋🏻♂️
I think he said that in the talk. Harari mentioned he read a book of Diamond, An Diamond later said something that implied it was the book you mention.
I actually got into this video thinking that Harari’s work has a lot of similarity with Diamonds, and I wanted to see a debate between them and Dan Dennett! 😄
I am so delighted to know that he was inspired by G, G and Steel
Yes, after reading Guns, Germs, Harari realised that he also can write a similar book. That's the way came Sapiens.
Yuval mentions the effect of Jared Diamond and Guns, Germs and Steels in the introduction of Sapiens as far as I remember.
1:33 Harari fills the glass of his collocutor. I've seen him doing it in several other debates, this sweet man.
njits789 thank you for noticing that! Such an honorable person indeed!
i also noticed this gesture it really reflects how he values good minds
'Good manners', rather. :)
Rachel gold i agree Middle Eastern culture has its pros and cons i'm from yemen a middle Eastern country
njits789 yes
7:39 is probably the best answer Ive ever heard. People who read both of their books, cannot help not notice how Harari is influenced by Diamond. Both of their books are absolutely mind blowing, in terms of understanding the Human condition. I'm thrilled that they had had this talk, good thing we have technology that can enable such moments ;)
I agree!
which books?
well, Yuval mentions the inspiration he got from Jared's books literally in the beginning of his first book
@@noTH9IK make sense. Couldn't remember it. Maybe because I read harari's book first
this pairing is literally like a dream i once had.
what wonderful dreams you have! you must sleep very well!
@@claudiaxander actually, i mostly dream when i'm awake ;>
MY DREAM TOO 😍
Where's Yuval keynote lecture?
Right the with you bud :)
Best Advice:
-Reinvent and retrain yourself repeatedly thoroughout your life.
-Learn how to deal with the unknown.
-Discover the method of gathering information and distinguishing reliable and unreliable information.
nice gathering of the best advices in the talk
thats not deterministic.
Both men make a lot of great points.
The problem with some of Harari's advice is that he assumes that we just have to accept these changes and that they are inevitable. He gives a lot of individual advice to issues which require national and global policy changes-even as he admits that they are systemic issues.
We should be demanding positive policy changes to protect people, everywhere worldwide, from these changes, to ensure that they are rolled out in a way that does not destroy society or the planet.
That is why the actual best advice was what Jared Diamond said:
Rich people will only change when they are afraid for their own selves and interests. We should be making them afraid. Very afraid.
They should not feel like destroying the planet is fine because they will survive, even if billions of people perish.
Making them afraid and even overthrowing them and their power would allow us to make the necessary policy, social and economic changes to both save the planet and improve the lots of the billions of people who are currently suffering in poverty due to systemic exploitation.
Wtf.... This is by far the most underrated conversation ever.
Harari is the succession of Prof. Diamond. Hope and believe that both of you will give us the vision for future.
WHAT!?! This is the crossover I've always wanted, but never thought I'd have! Legit dream come true.
Yuval: "If you don't have a smart fone, you are a really important person"
vanda almeida *phone
*really an
@@prof.eltonmelo no he really said fone not phone!
Or a very poor one.
By that logic, I guess elon musk is not a really important person because he uses a smart phone
I always loved history. My favorite two authors and philosophers coming together in a conversation is a dream come true. Thank you for posting this❤
Jared’s accent is one of the most unique ones out there
it sounds similar to Bernie Sanders accent; there is a video on that by Vox, I think it stems from Brooklyn!
mateo ito Boston!
I feel fortunate to be able. Access discussions and lectures like this and other top class lecturers.
This is a format that was not as easily available, even 20 years ago.
I'm really sad, that the two historians I most admire were just here on my city and learned it now, few days ago.
The relatively small number of views of this video tells me that few people realize that these two men - Jared Diamond and Yuval Hahari - are perhaps the two most important historians of our time. Having them on one stage is an absolute treat. Yes, Diamond has gotten a bit old and doesn't come across as crisp and clear as the much younger Harari. But Diamond's written works speak for themselves. If you haven't read any of his books, consider doing so. You'll never see the world in the same way again.
Thank you, Yuval, for sharing this wonderful talk with the rest of us.
Read them they great. I have read both authors, both have changed my views on people and the environment.
Clicked the like button the moment Jared Diamond showed his rubber band adorned cellphone
I'm so glad that you came to Brazil. My country is going through a lot of environmental and political issues and I hope that debates you brought help us to find wise solutions. Thank you!
I hope you had a good time here in Brazil! Thank you!
I recently read Sapiens and learned Jared influenced Yuval. I looked him up then realized we had crossed paths. He lectured in my physiology class in 1990 at UCLA in grad school. I thought then he was pretty special. It’s a treat to listen to these 2 sharing a stage.
Wonderful to see these two men in discussion. I hold both of them in very high esteem and am thankful for their insights.
Oh wow! This is gold. Pure gold. Two of my favourite authors being interviewed in on sitting! Fabulous!
Great talk and very good thoughtful questions! Thank you!
Such a delight this enterview, I read both of their books namely "Germs, Guns and Steel" and "Sapiens" and I think this made a great difference for me on my outlook on life, especially regarding religion.
Wonderful, insightful enterview masterfully conducted by Ronaldo Lemos, so I'd like to say congratulations!
Grateful to watch. Figuring out how to interprete those ideas into simpler forms of dialogs on youtube, in different languages so that majority can easily get access and earn something meaningful about it.
Yuval is a superb speaker, very touching and inspiring!
It was a pleasure Watch this video! Thank you so much!
Jared Diamond wrote some amazing books and deserves huge respect. In this interview however his age and also his politics are not helping in addressing the problems of the future in a constructive manner.
Ronaldo Lemos is a truly impressive interviewer. Pertinent and intelligent questions; good segues and pacing.!
Thanks for wisdom and vision.
glad e honored for you being in my country, professor!
Thanks for coming to Brazil, you are a light in times of irrationality and ignorance.
Two people I admire.
Excellent conversation. Thank you.
Harari’s thoughts are pushing us to thought deeper
Both men make a lot of great points.
The problem with some of Harari's advice is that he assumes that we just have to accept these changes and that they are inevitable. He gives a lot of individual advice to issues which require national and global policy changes-even as he admits that they are systemic issues.
We should be demanding positive policy changes to protect people, everywhere worldwide, from these changes, to ensure that they are rolled out in a way that does not destroy society or the planet.
That is why the actual best advice was what Jared Diamond said:
Rich people will only change when they are afraid for their own selves and interests. We should be making them afraid. Very afraid.
They should not feel like destroying the planet is fine because they will survive, even if billions of people perish.
Making them afraid and even overthrowing them and their power would allow us to make the necessary policy, social and economic changes to both save the planet and improve the lots of the billions of people who are currently suffering in poverty due to systemic exploitation.
Facts: When i was in 10th class (im from india), our biology teacher, looking extremely skeptical, asked the class whether we actually believed in evolution. No one raised their hands expect for myself and a few others.
Good job that you’re more educated and scientific minded than your peers, mate. Keep it up!
@@saraf5414 thanks
Two of the most influanced speaker,... what the great talk
Interesting conversation. Thank you !
Onde está a legenda em português?
Thanks so much for sharing.
What a great idea Having these 2 authors together for a discussion
Curta este vídeo se você é brasileiro e queria ter comparecido a esse evento épico!!!
Perguntas bem fracas até agora (20min)
Onipresente.
jonss concordo irmão
jonss a recente entrevista do Harari para o Pozner foi bem legal, parece o “Provocações” do Abujamra em versão russa: czcams.com/video/ov78eDUoF0M/video.html
eu também queria ir, mas não deu,,,,
I try to see more the downsides of technology, but then I think with myself that without it I maybe would never have the chance to see such a good discussion like this. This is such a great content!! Thank you for sharing!!!
Glad this talk was done here in Brazil
Oh my God. Never thought these two legends would come together
Please do not put God’s Holy name with these two secular, antichrist demons. They, especially Harari are ministers of pure, satanic evil. Ministers of satan. I hope you read the word of God. The Bible. The words of Christ. Not these two secular, eugenist, transhumanism, WEF supporters. They have no idea what’s coming for them.
I m watching this discussion through smart phone only and read books in kindle so it may be wrong saying that internet is an addiction .I am not in Wapp and fb
Voices of hope and clarity in a distorted age! What is wrong with the 36 souls that have disliked this?
you know what i feel people that don't have smart phones don't need anymore? recognizement from the tribe.. recognizement from the peers. guys like Yuval and Jared are sure aware that they are really smart people and that they've done really important work. we need to comment, to see what others are commenting, to be in some places because we are still somewhat anxious about others.
So clear, amazing. Thank you!
Do we have this vídeo with subtítles in Portuguese?
Once again CZcams kicks the brain into action with intelligent video presentation. Cheers SBM.
Just an hour with these two brilliant minds is not enough.
How historians are made is very well explained by Jared and Harari. Two great historians who have differed much from the routinised histories.
Great stuff!
the part where they discussed education was amazing
@Suhaila Ahmed yes i remember how are you doing ??
humble and legendary masters
37:15 the best piece of advice
I m lucky to be born in this era to see Noah
Hello, could I request for a conversation between Noah Harari and Sadhguro? Thank you.
Thank you man.
Fantastic discussion!
I would like for hear a conversion between them. And hear others just think like them
Professor Harari raised the most crucial problems in the 21st century. Andrew Yang addressed those problems and provide solid solutions through democracy for the US. The same problems should be concerned worldwide.
Impressed by Jared both about his thought and how handsome he is at this age
2020 - the year we realize that the stories in guns, germs, and steel is continuing.
2 stunning authors
Please, subtitles in portuguese (Brazil).
Two of my intellectual Heros...
Alguém pode legendar em portugues?
I grew up in the ‘80s. There was no CZcams. We all wanted to be astronauts 😃
45:20 - You gotta love Jared Diamond - he is a model example of a responsible civilized person. He has a huge imagination and creativity, while at the same time have a critical thinking facility that would stop him for running away with a possible wrong idea like mental health is so much better in the ancient world than today.
"In many cases [...] fictional stories easily TRUMP the truth." I wonder if the pun was intended. :)
yes it was. yuval used it before and people in the audience actually picked up on it.
Ugh. I wish there was a way to completely purge all references to Trump from digital interfaces. I was sick and tired of having his name parasitising everything long before he was even elected. Going on 4 years now and the media's frenzied hysteria still hasn't shown any hint of slowing down. I wish people would just get the fuck over it already. Give everyone a bloody respite from this inane tribalistic nonsense, FFS.
@@lachlanbell8390 well, on a long-term "grand scheme of things", i like to think of donald as an immunizing agent. the organism that is global society chews on him, feels sick for while, and ends up becoming stronger in the long run. after all, evolution is not about making the right choice every time. it's about mistakes and learning from them. and with the internet, twitter, and all that, someone like donald was probably inevitable. but instead of him, it could also have been any other silver spoon crybaby. he's not special at all. or as yuval (i think) once said: he's just the symptom, not the disease.
On automation: It seems like there may be a budding movement to reduce work hours while we automate jobs. It makes so much sense. 5-hour days, 3-day, weekends, and a universal basic income. Of course even that would have to be adjust as more and more automation emerges. Why are we sticking to such a maladaptive work ethic?
As for 'low unemployment'. In the U.S. 78% of people are living paycheck to paycheck. So low unemployment is a bad metric for the quality of life and quality of a society. GDP is also a poor indicator of the health of a society.
what has tech done for me well i have access to all info
Insightful, two greatest historians on a common dias.
Not greatest historian,but gretest thinker,indeed
Perfect interview. The only thing that don't live up to the expectations are Yuval's socks
Jarred Diamond didn’t speak enough - failure of moderator
I didn't know that you were here in São Paulo :(
Oh wow, does Amazon have a big presence in Brazil? (asking as an American)
The interviewer is strange. Surprised that no one corrected him that smallpox has been globally eliminated since 1980 and has certainly not made a comeback in Brazil
37:50 - This is good. But for the 21st century the key is how to deal with the unknown. And what we teach kids in school today needs to be relevant to 20 years in the future, not the present.
Exelent conversation , . I see difference because ages. Never moor thing will by Rights or wrong .
Their books are similar in many ways. I would say "Sapiens" is a broader version of "Guns, Germs, and Steel" while "Guns, Germs, and Steel" is a deeper version of "Sapiens".
even harry potter is deeper than sapiens ...
So we have always had exactly the situation discussed.
The development of techniques, tools and technology are part of the product of Intelligence +/-, the actual value symbolized by trust, faith, hope, and belief psychology manifested as "money".., becomes integrated in active self-civilization, the phenomenon that characterizes humans.
"Artificial Intelligence" is the re-application of knowledge to human cultural behaviours.
The problem is corruption of the application of Intelligence, for one person's irresponsible advantage over others.
Stolen Intelligence does not lose it's actual value immediately, not until it's dissipated by misapplication.
Personal survival requires personal intelligence, which is why all societies advise individuals to think their own thoughts and observe the environment before action.
Civil societies buffer the individual with belief, faith, hope and trust in empirical evidence through the education system for which the society all a whole has responsibility.
No such thing, when it comes to the crunch, when tribal loyalty to conformity is placed before observable intelligence. In the movie The Godfather, it was suggested that "The Mafia", always sent someone who you trust, to kill you, in the real world, it's just normal human behavior.., and a particular tribal, or "small town" characteristic.
Excellent discussion, of course.
THIS IS FRIGGING LIIIIT💯💯💯🔥🔥🔥😍😍😍.... These author heavy weights 💯👌🏼
Like the champions league,respect from Turkey
Would love to see Harari have a conversation with Douglas Murray
There was one between Harari and Pinker recently fyi. So many interesting conversations still to be had but they are happening more and more with podcasts and events like the one from this video.
and peterson
@@carlwatts1230 saw that one ya
@@brain0nfire would be another good one too
Would like to see him on Joe Rogan, that would make his message reach the world
0:20 are you guys on social media?
3:45 can we afford not to use technology?
6:56 eureka moments?
skill 7:50
11:40 are we losing narratives?
18:12 automation
emergence of a "useless class"
data colonialism 22:30
#iwasthere
A small correction: Brazil is not facing the return of smallpox (even because it has been eradicated in 1980), but of measles, a lot in consequence of the anti-vaccine movement and the lack of medical attention in poor areas.
Traducción en Español Latino porfavor 🙏🙏🙏🙏
This is one of the most powerful things I understood from Jared Diamond .... the difference socially between New Guineans and Westerners .. about how all communication takes place face to face, 3:02 - because of that child New Guineans can out bargain oil company executives ... supposedly. I'd like to hear a little more about that sometime.
❤❤ thanks you, youval and jared 😊😊
Jared Diamond - What a well-dressed man! I love the dinosaur tie!
I'll buy one for you sweetheart.
Wow what a combination 🥰🥰
Fantastic duo on the Dias... Yuval is just so great at keeping himself completely unbiased and Jared is so forward thinking and yet so wonderfully old school and optimistic...
Great talk but for:
1. The conductor is terrible, and follows a stupid routine from notes on his phone and has no sense of continuity. He said “good” in a couple of bad places. Jumped topics at the worst of times.
2. What’s with all the prolonged flash photography in the bigining? There are just three people on stage, just wait for them to finish to take pics or just take a couple and let them speak!
Traduz pra o português! 🤞🏼
Waldorf Education, Aldo believes that the only education possible Is self educacation, and although I don't want to personalize, It have helped me to reinvent myself at, 30, 40, 50 yearsold.
We want Turkish subtitles
Love this!... just would wish the moderator wouldn't adresse them as "YOU GUYS".... that is only american rather not to cultivated way...