2025 ebike Rules and will shake up the industry and consumers
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- čas přidán 28. 07. 2024
- www.regulations.gov/document/...
there will be a public comment period once the rules are finalized please comment on the link, and call your congressman and ask them to address the issues you have with e-bike regulations.
www.cpsc.gov/s3fs-public/Micr...
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Forget about the rules. Don't ride like a jag and you'll be fine. I have not had any issues and my ebike goes 35 mph. Ride with respect.
It's like the Chris Squire lyric from Fish Out of Water: "Don't advise you to stick to rules, but there ain't no need to push and shove".
There's a time and place to go fast , even on my pedal bike I know this. Unfortunately many E-bikers think they're on motorcycles on a highway.
@@manchesterexplorer8519 so do regular bicycles thinking their a motorcycle
@@jamesbarry2388 I Cycle on average 75 miles per week of my local rail trail and I can assure you E-bikes are the problem most of the time.
@@jamesbarry2388 Biking an average of 75 miles per week on my local rail trail system I agree , but E-bikers are much more of a problem , especially the younger crowd weaving around bikes and people doing 30-40mph which I see quite often. All I see is a serious injury and pending lawsuits just waiting to happen.
Most cyclists slow down and warn people that they're coming up from behind them , I usually have music playing that can be heard from 50 feet away.
A huge problem is people walking or jogging while wearing headphones in the middle of the road unaware of their surroundings , which in my opinion is a bigger annoyance.
It's always a few jerks that screw it up for the rest of us. I ride a regular road bike on a rail trail. Most e-bikes (peddle assist) are not a problem - I often go faster than them. It's the surron (basically e-motorcycles) that are the problem.
No. The problem is big government sticking it's big nose in everyones business. Vote the democrats out in local elections, state elections and federal elections.
Saw this coming, sad that people can't just ride responsible. 75 years old and love my e bike
You will be safe until it's time for a replacement
I'm 74 had my ebike 3 yrs. The computers speed limit is set at 20mph. I drive 12-14 mph. I'm in no hurry to kill myself
Yeah like those cars on the roads
The Surron type of bikes are the ones causing all the issues....EMTB's should not be included.
hater. No difference.
I've seen several youtube videos on those Surron bikes and they are crazy fast.
@@SteveOMotos you're saying there is no difference between my 500w ebike and your surron? you know what? Surrons aren't the problem....its the creatures who ride them.
Surons are designed to be used off road and not on a mountain bike trail. They are a motorcycle and regulated in most states as such. You are correct in blaming the human in control. The human is the issue and that is what the rule making is about. If you can't control the human then control what they can buy.
@@DonaldMaysso true, when people say about guns I say the same thing, guns aren't dangerous as they don't hurt anyone, it's who is behind them
Stupid how many call Surron an E-Bike when it more motorbike as how many are 8-20kw motors
I’m 72 years old and have ridden a class 2 bike for the past 5 years incident free. I typically ride within the 12-15 mph and stay out of everyone’s way. For seniors there should be no throttle restrictions, we need to be able to have access to them for health reasons, IE need to get to a bathroom quickly without having to peddle.(peddling exacerbates the urgency) hey don’t laugh, one day you’ll be able to empathize.
We older people use our e-bikes to to enjoy what little life we have left, so legislators need to make exemptions for us. Just leave us alone, we’re NOT the problem.
That’s my speel on behalf of my age group, other groups need to speak for their specific needs.
I have all 3 classes and spend 90 % of my time on the class1 I am 62 with a future ankle fusion
A- Man
Should the same "no throttle restrictions" apply to seniors driving their cars?
Seniors should be allowed to have a throttle no matter what they are operating. Actually perhaps the throttle should be mandatory for seniors. 😳😂
If you don't go above 15 mph then EU type regulations will hardly affect you. If adopted wholly (unlikely) all it will mean is you have to start off by peddling and not with the throttle start. Do look on the bright side.... it could help you get a bit healthier cos sitting on an electric bike and not peddling does not help anyone's health (e.g. look at the guy who authored this video).
“HANDS OFF OUR BIKES” 🇺🇸
Vote Trump !
@@CharlesAnsmanbone sprur 🤣
Then learn to ride them and stop crashing them into my wife’s bike at 20mph. Stop losing control on a single track and hurting yourselves in the middle of the woods.
@@CountryFenderBass show me proof that I did that
@@tobebike as a 61 year old Mountain Biker and a retired XC racer I don’t need to prove anything to you. I can tell you what I and my friends have dealt with you e-bike knuckleheads. Our team was on a training day and on a singletrack . We came up on the guy who plowed his e-bike into a guy walking his dog. The e-bikes hurt the hiker and broke his own clavicle. They had to airlift his fat ass off the trail. Another time I was climbing a single track hill. I have the right away and this e-biker comes down the trail running me off the trail. He barely had control of his ebike. My 60 year old wife is a gravel biker (none motorized) was crashed into by a e-bikes on a rail trail. I was about 20 yards behind her when this guy could not negotiate the curve because he was going too fast. He crashed into my wife’s new Specialized gravel bike. He said he just bought it and the last time he biked was when he was a kid. Too many people who have no core strength or bike skills are buying motorized bikes that move too fast for them.
We can thank all these speed maniacs with their high power, high speed e bikes who ride like maniacs, ignoring all traffic rules and putting themselves and others in danger for forcing the govt to enact these laws. You see them on YT with others encouraging their behavior
I live in So Cal. I often ride at the beach and see these " mostly youngsters" riding on the bike path way too fast. They are going to ruin it for the rest of us seniors. I'm telling you these kids have no fear or respect for anyone. I blame the parent's.
Absent parents
It is a problem, and parents won't do anything until there kid dies and then they want to point the finger at everyone else.
Except in Jan and Feb, I avoid beach paths on my bicycle. Lots of path traffic and lots of brain dead riders and especially pedestrians.
Had a kid almost run head on into me on a bike trail going way too fast on his ebike. He was texting, looking down at his phone. He swerved out of the way at the last second. Kids on ebikes are everywhere in Orange County, CA.
I see children behave this way even with good parents. Parents, yes, but don't always blame the parents.
Great post Don. As a long time e-biker, these rules are terrible. I will take notice.
Thank you for this information. Where I live there are too many people who use their regular bikes and ride them way too fast. They ride as single riders and in groups and they pass me unexpectedly while I am walking or riding my ebike.
I've been riding E-Bikes for the last 10 yrs. I started riding a cheap chinese model, mainly to go back and forth to the market. I rarely saw another E-anything back then. I'm on my seventh E-Bike now and truly love it. So much has changed in just the last two years. Two years ago, I fell off my roof and I am now the Titanium Man( femur, ankle and heel on left leg). Long story short, I am permanently handicapped. E-Bikes now are my only way to get outside and get some exercise. 🎉I own both a E-Trike and just here lately back on two wheels( Euphree Stellar Falcon(assembled in Texas)). I also reside in East Lansing, MI. Thanks for the information and your videos!!
Thank you for the heads up and the GOV link.
As typical, we did this to ourselves. We take our Trek pedal assist e-bikes all around the US and cannot believe how people abuse the use of e-bikes. We're in the Tetons right now - arguably the best place to ride a bike - and we have people passing us on throttle bikes, feet propped up on the frame, going full speed to get to their destination. The last two gave no heads up when passing at full speed. With traditional bikes, hikers, people with strollers and other e-bikes on the same trail, that's irresponsible. While visiting Key West last year, we were nearly hit twice stepping out of shops by people on e-bikes going quite fast, on the sidewalks. And so on. So, the days of courtesy on trails and sidewalks are gone, and this is what we have to look forward to.
Yes it is a sad state in America 🇺🇸 the land of me. Just keep doing the right thing even if no one else notices thanks for watching
No we don’t need more regulations! They should be age restricted based on speed. I’m an adult tired of government dictating everything I can and can’t do. The idiots screw it up for responsible people as usual. Also you can get a regular pedal bike up to 25 mph without a motor and those aren’t regulated. Just another money grab more tax dollars money they can make is always their first concern.
So you are advocating age-based restrictions? Is that not another regulation? You cannot have it both ways. Some regulation is needed.
@@geraldhenrickson7472
What parents can’t parent? It has to be a regulation? Fine why not regulate kids, they have regulations for getting a learners permit to be able to drive they have curfews there’s all kinds of regulations for kids. I’m an adult I don’t need to be regulated. I don’t need to be taxed for every single little thing, I wanna do including riding a bike, unlike a kid I know not to fly full speed through a stop sign in front of moving cars. Apparently not all kids do I just had it happened a 14-year-old with another kid on the back of a ebike blew through a stop sign at full speed right in front of my truck and I almost hit them. So yeah, I think children need to be supervised whether it’s by their parents or regulated or whatever. But I don’t need to be regulated or taxed, I’m an adult, now I understand that not everybody who’s adult age is actually mentally an adult that’s a whole different topic.
@AnotherOne00-mrgitdown
Adults vs kids 🙄🤦♀️
@@Greatgadgetsgear Watch some of these ebikes youtube videos they are mostly males 20-40 acting like 12 year olds going wroom wroom....
@@scb2scb2
Hahaha 😆
I didn’t find anywhere in this document that they were talking about adopting the European standard. They made mention of it and they said that the current US or European regulations or standards don’t address the issues.
The other thing I noticed was that while the number of deaths has gone up every year, they don’t mention the number of e-bikes has gone up dramatically, or mention a death rate per 100,000 bikes or death rate per 5000 miles or something, which is totally relevant to this discussion. I do hope that someone that commented prior to the cut off on May 14 made mention of this glaring oversight.
unfortunately i didn't get the video published soon enough I was gone on vacation. They will be a comment period when they decide what to do. They mention EU standards a couple of time they also said that they were waiting for industry stake holder to come forward. That info i got via email conversation. keep your eye on the link for updates. This flew under alot of industry insiders radar.
It would be interesting to see how they compare with regular bike injuries/deaths.
So you can ride a bike on the trails over 15mph if it is not a e-bike? I know lots of people who pedal more than 20mph. Are they not the same danger?
No they aren't in the same the issue is speed and inexperienced riders people who ride the pedal bikes learn the cost of speed through years of riding
Can go more than 20mph on an E-Bike too, just you have to learn how to pedal on an E-Bike too
An ebike weights from 20kg to 25kg and a normal mountain bike 11kg to 13kg, i had rided assisted pedal ebike in trails and is a lot of fun but... is much harder to maneuver at high speeds and close turns, that extra weight builds innertia and you need to be really fit "strong core and strong arms" , if a rider can pedal 20mph he must be really fit but in the other hand if you put an overweight person on a ebike the bike would behave different. Its a matter of physics, if you don't like complain with god.
@@eltelle I say 8kg to 16kg but as my real mountain bike with 26" wheels was 16kg then I looked at a 8kg build, I'm looking to sacrifice light weight for a fake mountain bike, as in 29" wheels and be enduro for 11.7kg to 12.7kg mainly depends on suspension and tyres I pick
Yes to me mountain bike is 26" anything else is a mountain bike wanna be
@@DonaldMaysthat’s a pretty broad assumption that everyone on an ebike is inexperienced. It’s a good thing laws aren’t written that way.
I’m going to pedal for as long as I can.
Nothing stays free of government for long.
So true it
Vote Trump !
The left will add a tax to them to solve it.
Thanks Don, I have been ebiking for 6 +years in a rural area. I used to ride a two mile section of a four lane were I could get off the road by 9 feet, well until I was pulled over by a PSP, told me it was for motor vehicles only, I pointed to my motor and he said that wasn’t sufficient! Now we might only be allowed 15 mph, ridiculous! But the gubberment!😂
Thanks for sharing
That's interesting because most places give bikes the right to use roads along with vehicles. This is of course except for most Federal highways, which restrict pedestrian and bike traffic from using them. I know in my state that bikes are legally allowed to use the roads and that there are even regulations that dictate the amount of space that cars must give when overtaking a cyclist. You should dig into your state and local regulations to see if the police were just giving you their "opinion" of what the law is rather than what is actually on the books.
Im all for speed limits, but putting them in classes makes no sense to me. Some people live in areas where there are a ton of hills. You need power in order to climb those. A 750w ebike is gonna struggle up any hill larger than a small mound. Then you also have to take into account the weight of the rider and anything they are carrying with them.
You want law makers to actually think and research about writing a law ....
@@Kay0Bot Of course i do. They wont though. They prefer feelings over fact.
It comes to type of motor I have both kinds hub and mid-drive my mid-drive is 250 watts and it will out climb my 1000watt hub drive
@@DonaldMays Not around here. 250 and you will be walking the bike up the hill. If a 1500w will barely push 10mph with 150nm of torque up the hill. Imagine what 250 or even 750 would do. Huck my driveway has an incline of 25 percent.
I have ridden the bike in all terrain it does ok. I climbed pikes peak at 8mph 250 watts in a mid-drive is quite different then a hub drive .
Just realized i think i might be ok on my moped style ebike. There is a cable you disconnect to unlock 30mph. I can just plug it back in which limits it to 15, but might have to remove the throttle.
Just buy a class 2 sticker
Might be enforceable in cities, but there are a whole lot of unregistered uninsured gasoline powered 4-wheelers running the roads here in the country and they seem to have no problem with the police. And cities don't seem to have any law enforcement at all these days.
they want us to go electric but then put all these rules on stuff amazing
They realize muddle class Americans are being priced out of cars so they have to controll the next form of transportation ebikes
@@DonaldMaysCould I wear an electric exoskeleton on a standard bike? They're never going to stop making these stupid laws.
Think we are a few years from that technology
@@DonaldMays Oh, exoskeletons? They already exist. But they aren't mainstream enough for lawmakers to notice. You can drive a bike way faster with a motor helping you extend your leg muscle. That's why I thought that case was funny. Lawmakers trying to limit technologies they don't even understand.
As long as they get more tax money, they are happy.
That's a great shirt man I'm dying 😂😂😂
If EU rules happen it will be a waste of time getting a E bike
The only real concern are pedestrians and slower riders on bike paths. So the solution is simply to place 10 to 15 mph speed limits on anything running on shared bike paths. And no sidewalks. Everyone going faster must go on the roadway. Throttles IMO are essential for elderly riders as these heavy bikes require insane amounts of crank torque when you start from a dead stop. For younger people it's not an issue, but it's damaging to older people's knees. A throttle solves the dead stop starting issue. Three seconds of throttle from a stop, then transfer over to pedal assist, (if desired).
I agree here is the text www.regulations.gov/document/CPSC-2024-0008-0001
@@DonaldMays Since the bike odometers are digital, they can easily keep speed histories, so policing should not be an issue. Just require odometers to keep speed histories should a bike path dispute arise.
People don't follow the speed limit driving vehicles , the same will happen on rail trails.
0:19 @@DonaldMays
Here is the problem on bike trails they need to be marked walkers one side riders on the other. Next issue is headphones and music playing people can't hear nothing cause they have ears covered
So how much exercise do you get on a bike that you don't have to pedal? Or only pedal when you want?
I don't know, my ebike I have to pedal and rarely go over 2nd level but on my other ebike which is class 3 I ride for fun out camping. My class 1 I have lost 65lbs in less than a year
41 ebike deaths in 2022: this is an outrage! we must do something drastic about this now and totally upend the industry!
48204 gun deaths in 2022: shrug
🙄🙄🙄
I mean, probably they should make some changes to the rules. but most of that should be on bikes going faster than 20mph class 2, and maybe having some sort of required safety instruction (but short of the requirements for a full on drivers license). But also, maybe they should look at that other more than 1000x more deadly thing first.
Yeah its not like anywhere outside the usa the industry sells ebike following these rules.... only 1 in about 35 are sold in the usa.
We’re stuck at 15.2mph in the Uk like the EU. It’s so annoying . Ex motocross guy here 😂
Hey, I've got that same shirt only mine says 1960! Cheers
Why not limit our cars to 70 then and as far as biker safety make helmets mandatory if that's what it's about... but it's not it's just a way to get more money via plates and insurance... A way to charge on toll bridge situations. If you have a driver's license known of these rules should apply to you follow the laws of the road and good to go..
There is a problem with what rules apply to ebikes and who will follow them
"Excess" speed is a factor in many auto accidents and speed has a clear impact on fuel mileage. Legislating speed limiters on cars is not that unpredictable.
Helmets are useless, ask people from Amsterdam why nobody wear a helmet✌🏻
@@simseven4967 Ok ill bite i work in amsterdam and live in utrecht the 2 most known bicycle cities in the netherlands. Within class 1 (15.5mph) almost nobody has a helmet. bicycles going faster will like class-3 but also people on racing bicycles for exmaple. Also kids, people with health issues and older people (esp on class-1 ebikes) also wear them if they want. The fact is in a well designed system where roads are designed to avoid conflict speeds are low and the people have a few decades of experience this is a workable balance between helmets vs no-helmets thats partly because of the european ebikes rules.
@@scb2scb2 e bikes are limited to 25 kmh 250W motor and this is how it should be, faster e bikes are like mopeds and should not be driven on bike lanes
More than 90% of helmets on the market are faulty, it is the same like with face masks from 2020 to 2022
I am in Ontario Canada we have had ebike rules since 2016.
Bike must have functional pedals
Minimum age 16,
Helmet required by everyone,
Top motor speed 32 km/hr,
PAS from a full stop,
Max weight 120kg(265lbs)
2 independent brakes
Top motor rating 500w
No upgrading the motor
Supposed to have a manufacturer compliance sticker.
As many will appreciate these laws were created by those who have little to no understanding of the technology.
We have a sticker requirement haven't seen one on a bike in last 3 years no one enforces the rules unless it in national park or a national forrest
that 15 mph is for TRAILS right?
(is that meant to apply to roads too?)
nope roads are whatever the speed limit is
My wife and I just purchased Ebikes. We average 10 to 11 miles per hour on the trails. Just be respectful to others, as we do.
That’s about what a fast mountain bike rider does for speed on the flats just by pedaling.
Same here
For sure the government will make it difficult (in a trifling way) and expensive to own an e-bike.
What is the grocery basket mortality rate in comparison? Should they be regulated?
Lol I have no idea
Looking for a faux pedal kit for my GXSR 1000, tired of paying registration and insurance and having to display an ID plate
I have one on my R1.
People are amazed when they see me pedaling on I95 at 80mph.
😂😂 think bigger it’s 2024 “hey officer don’t assume my bikes identity. But if you need to know it’s a 5 year olds pedal bike. Have a nice day”
@@manasseh7 Next level 🥇 post, July cannot come soon enough
I've seen kids in my area riding ebikes on the offroad bike paths passing strollers going 20mph+. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that sooner or later they are going to ban ebikes from these paths.
That's why I got a regular bike in addition to my ebike.
they are going to regulate kids off bikes that can go over 15mph and in most states there are already laws to prevent that. Parents and police are not doing there jobs
@@DonaldMays Unfortunately law enforcement has so much to do these days, trying to stay update with the latest tech gets a bit much sometimes. It falls on the parents, we keep looking to the government to solve all of are problems. The people I have been stopping on electric dirt bikes and electric unicycles like the Surrons are mostly in their 30s. Must parents are buying the electric scooters and one wheels for their kids. With the first group being the speedsters. I am seeing more electric dirt bikes than gas power dirt bikes, where riders in both groups being adults.
At one time Iowa had a 250W motor limit but that may have changed. I've seen everything on the bike trails, dirt bikes, mopeds, and even a car in a stand off with a man on a recumbent bicycle. These were all one offs but still noteworthy. E bikes have evolved since I was riding mine on the trails to and from work and then again not much traffic at 6:00AM, or on the way home Monday thru Friday. Weekends the trails are busy and speeds need to be reduced for all peddlers and E bike riders. Unfortunately, there will be a few that will ruin it for everybody. I agree enforcement will be difficult unless they roll out E bike patrol officers to write tickets. I know I would rather ride the trails than on the roads with cars and trucks.
Enforcement is key as much as rider education
you are allowed a hand throttle on your e bike, if you have a vehicle regulations test and register it as a moped and pay insurance on it, but still restricted to 35 mph
Twist throttle ebikes class2 are not always allowed in michigan they are not allowed on any unpaved paths and some cases not allowed paved paths
Sorry to say, your video came a little too late. The cutoff point for comments was 5/14/2024. There are a lot of analog bikes out there capable of doing more than 15 mph. My Priority 600X has a pinion gearbox with a 600% gear ratio. High 20's to low 30's with no electronic assist. Does that mean you have to register your legs? We really need less government.
There will be another comment period after they purpose the rules and you can always call your senator or congressman
They are not bicycles they are motorcyclra
Anyone who can maintain 25 mph on a flat road has a lot of experience on the bike. Serious cyclists know better than to ride full speed, when slower bicyclists or pedestrians are on the trail. This can't be said for all e-bike riders who can just hop on and go 20-30 mph. The real question is what can be done to make roadways safer for 'slow motorcycles?' As a teenager in the 80s, the advent of mopeds and scooters that could get 100 miles per gallon offered great options for cheap transportation, but they decided to regulate them like regular motorcycles, sealing off that whole technology. The real enemy here is the dominance of the over powered automobile, which poses a catastrophic danger to everyone, to include animals, pedestrians, and each other.
Thing about e-bike rules is that, if I am riding at 20 mph, how does anyone know my bike can do double that?
This about the future you won't be able to purchase a fast bike they will not allow bikes that are not software locked and as to enforcement lean the bike on kickstand and twist throttle if stays under 20mph no ticket California is in the process of making a crime to modify a ebike
Class 2 and 3 should not be on mtb or paved trails where pedestrians are present. Traveling 20mph+ on a single lane sidewalk, multi-use trail is just stupid in general. Anyone who thinks otherwise has clearly never crashed at those speeds, let alone run into a pedestrian at those speeds. Age should be a factor, 12-14yr olds riding Surrons are an issue in many areas. 16yrs old should be the minimum for anything with a throttle. The problem with younger riders is the lack of respect and understanding on what/when/where/how to ride responsibly just isnt there with the
Teenagers are clueless about everything , so yes.
Today I passed 2 girls, about 10 yo, riding on one ebike on a busy street with a young german shepherd following, no leash. That was a surefire disaster waiting to happen.
Sur-rons are not ebikes with pedals, they are electric dirt bikes. They should not even be talked about in the same breath when discussing e-bike regulations. They should already be considered in the moped class.
Ebike rules are dictated by the car industry lobby.
They don’t want you to commute to work cheap and clean. They want you to buy a car, and limit the ebike to weekend family leisure rides.
I don’t care for ebike rules. I ride the trafic rules. I respect the speed limitations and the trafic signs. I have insurance.
Do they limit the speed of their cars to make them obey the trafic rules?
The Government realizes that cars are getting so expensive that they will lose millions of drivers in the next 10 years that will have to move to micromobility,
Wonderful i just ordered one cause I don’t have a license so I assume you’ll need one in the future cause it’s more convenient for me and to get from place to place like work so wonderful as of now you don’t need one In New Hampshire.
this affects bike manufactured after the imposed regulations
Sad. Seems TPTB are more into power and control than the electrification they want to act like they promote. Here in MD we don't even have sidewalks. To ride you gotta be able to go 45 mph with traffic.
Many cities riding a bike is dangerous and those cities don't worry about pedestrians or cyclist and it is a shame
Ideally, we wouldn't need laws and regulations for murder. Reasonable people don't need to be told what to do, but reasonable is subjective. The root of the problem is the huge portion of our road system is made exclusively for cars to go 45 to 75 mph, and it is unsafe for anything but cars. Even riding a reglar motorcycle on those roads is scary. Trails made deliberately for bike and pedestrian traffic are typically made for recreation, and allows people to get away from cars and traffic. It is unfortunate that a few thoughtless people ruin it by pushing the limits, requiring regulation.
I've been riding since 2016: peddle assistance only. I always believed that using a throttle made it a motorcycle.
For sum it is necessary to get going when balance is an issue or when someone's goal is unrealistic lol
G'day,
Shit Oh Dear.
I have a Tebco Discovery I bought in late 2021, with 3 spare batteries & a heap of spares...I was going to use it with a Trailer for Groceries, 15 km out of town...
250 Watts Hub Drive, with a functional twisty Throttle, it's Software limited to 25 Km/Hr by Law, here in NSW Oz.
In 2022 I had a tussle with Tonsil Cancer, & rode 176 Km over 7 weeks of Chemo-Radiotherapy...
But after 70 Grays and 490 mg of Cis-Platin my ideas of eBiking town for Groceries had to be rethought.
So I have now done 825 Km on my 3,000watt/2.3 Kw-Hr Telaria Sting (L1-e)
Road-registered
Electric Motocross Bike.
Weighs 68 Kg,
At 25 Km/hr it goes 100 km on 80% of a Battery.
At 40 Km/hr it goes 70 Km.
It will cruise at 45 Km/Kr on the top 50% of the Battery's Charge.
52 Km takes 1:29 at 37 Km/Hr Average Speed - arriving with 32% of a Charge remaining..., & it then takes 2 hrs to recharge afterwards.
Putting 91-octane into a 226cc 4-stroke 3,000 Watt 240-Volt Generator...; it works out at 24 Km/L, to go to town for bread & milk & mail, versus 11.5 Km/litre in the 2-Litre Subaru Forester.
1.3 Litres of 91 Octane, for 33 Km ; instead of 2.8 Litres of 98 Octane ($1.98 vs $2.23 per litre)....
24 minutes for 15 km to the Post Office, instead of 15 minutes.
And..., Offgrid Solar Panels, Charge Controller, Batteries & Inverter to feed the Bike's 750 Watt Charger - are all in the Pipeline.
So,
Roll with the punches,
So to squeak.
Such is life.
Have a good one.
(Backtrack me to my Videos to see the Chest-Camera uploads...)
Stay safe.
;-p
Ciao !
Thanks for watching glad you found a solution that works for you I use a 200watt panel and solar generator that has 614wh it charges two bikes per day
@@DonaldMays
No worries,
Cool.
My Hut's Houselighting Bank is 6 X 6-volt 225 A/Hr Golf-Cart Lead/Acid "Water-Boxes", fed by an Array of 180 Watts of (tracked) Panels..; so I have 650 A/hr at "12 Volts", giving an available "10% Rated Capacity Daily Duty-Cycle", of 65 A/Hr going into a 500 Watt 240-Volt DC to AC Inverter.
I have seen 80 A/Hr going in at 12 Volts over a blue-sky day, after 3 rainy ones (!) ;
So with 300 W/Hrs consumed per average day to run my Hut's Lights - I could recharge either a 350 W/Hr Discovery Battery, or a Husqvarna 300 Watt Brushcutter/Chainsaw Battery, per day, on Sunlight alone.
But tonight I'll run the Hut on stored Sunlight, while burning 1.3 litres in the Generator over an hour & a half to make up for 35 Km riding today
on the Bike.
I came home with a litre of Milk, 2 litres of Coconut Juice, 2 loaves of Bread and a 1.25 Kg Gas-bottle ; as well as a new Akubra Hat ($245... !) & Sunglasses ($45... !) to replace the ones lost on Saturday when
Guess Who (?) only replaced
One of the 2 Octopus-Straps which were supposed to hold the Hat on the Pannier Bags - while I wear the Full-Face Skid-Lid.
Road-registered means
Complying with the full set of requirements for lawfully preparing to fall off a real Motorcycle !
So the $7,000 Bike cost $7,500 Registered & insured, another $500 to deliver it 423 miles out of the Capital City where the Importers are - and another $1,000 for the full Evil Knevil Suit to wear while riding it.
But, the promise is to go to town, shopping, on nothing but Sunlight.
Half the total cost is the Bike, and that saves 2/3 of the Petrol burnt in a normal Car doing the same job (at more than twice the Speed)..., the rest of the $20,000 is for Solar Stuff to refill the Bike with Sunlight, instead of a Generator.
One has to be keen, AND have sufficient money to throw at the Project.
I came into a small inheritance, so I upgraded my Fire-Hose Collection from $11,000 to $27,000 worth of Bushfire Protection Plan insitu, and and $24,000 at the Decarbonised Grocery-Run, Chainsaw, Brushcutter & Leafblower (all three of which are for Fireground Preparation/Hazard Reduction Burning and/or Firefighting.
Guess who hates
Global Warming...(?).
It costs huge amounts to be forever preparing for the
Next
MegaFireStorm Drought Season,
Kinda thing.
Happily, I never voted to
Grow the EcoGnomie ;
So most of Global Warming is
Some other persons'
Doing,
Entirely.
I didn't do ( very much of) it at all, by comparison...(!).
Such is life,
Have a good one...
Stay safe.
;-p
Ciao !
I've been riding an ebike since 2019, yes I've had a few near misses. By kids riding these fast ebikes, and not paying attention to where they are going. My bike is a class two ebike, so it has the Pedal Assist System, or PAS, and a throttle. But I'm lucky if I can get up to 20mph, on the flat. Due to how heavy the bike now is. Going to fast for the brakes, and just not paying attention. I will just hope where I live, things do not get stupid.
Maybe a good solution would be to leave type 2 and 3 as ebikes, but require a motorcycle endorsement. That would verify that the user has experience with higher speeds and heavier bikes.
@magarj
2 weeks ago
Maybe a good solution would be to leave type 2 and 3 as ebikes, but require a motorcycle endorsement. That would verify that the user has experience with higher speeds and heavier bikes.
RESPONSE: Excellent suggestion. I would however limit the endorsement to Level 3 bikes with a 5yr. license after passing a 30 min. training test. A nominal fee required but no insurance. A license plate would be issued for trail riding which would allow enforcement to visually check if your bike/rider conforms. Anyone under 16yrs. of age restricted to a Level 1 E-bike. My 2 cents.
Do you work for the government 😂😂
Which URL do I need to look at?
www.regulations.gov/document/CPSC-2024-0008-0001
I love it how everything is upside down in the US because so dangerous electric bikes that they must regulate it, but tesla can do whatever shit they want.
www.regulations.gov/document/CPSC-2024-0008-0001
My eBike means so much to me and now I'm in tears. I can't cope without my eBike and I've sunk a lot of money into it. I really need reassurance my eBike won't be confiscated. It's all I got. I have an Engwe Engine Pro with a rear battery hooked into an equalizer through my controller and it's all I have in this world! I can't afford a car
Your bike won't be taken they may limit it's use on bike trails and make future purchase of a ebike very limited to speed but I am sure they leave a way to hack the speed
I’m working in Huntington Beach CA today. Kids are like ants all over the road and sidewalks on these bikes. It’s crazy! It’s an issue.
I'm a 40 year old e-bike rider. I do think things are potentially going overboard for an entire community as a result of a few, but I also think the first responsible step is (not to be cruel) to regulate the younger communities. As you mentioned. Higher ages. Proper training from a parent or a simple class. Even if it's online. I can imagine many of the injuries/issues mentioned are younger people and those with no empathy for others on the path or road. Of course getting hit by a car - well there's a high chance that's on the car.
To be fair, that sounds like Huntington Beach's failure to enforce the rules, which I'm sure there are plenty of. There are rules and laws for any vehicle that uses the roads and probably regulations for anyone riding on a sidewalk or path.
Hey i work there too and you're full of it.
Its not that bsd here in the UK, all my friends who have used more powerful ebikes here have moved on to the legal bikes, they peak at 800w not 250w, thats just a nominal figure.
But our government is looking to increase the speed to 20mph and throttle, see how it goes.
I’m glad they made rules for them and their friends
You can go faster then 15 mph on a regular bike .
I'm sure they will have easy to remove limiters and throttle add ons lol. Just like TVs that come with Energy star settings turned on, just turn them off. Just leave them be. IF someone gets hurt, that's on them.
They have that now my limiter is cut off but I ride sensible so if I need to get away from a dog my bike can move out and away from danger 🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
The majority of issues with ebikes has to do with riders using them in ways that are already against the existing laws. Riding too fast, going the wrong way, and using paths where they are explicitly banned are the top 3 of problems, not how much power they have or how they are controlled. I can still descend a hill at 60mph on any bike, and a collision at that speed is obviously good for nobody.
What is lacking is the wisdom to know what is dangerous
I just watched a few vids on electric mobility scooters that go almost 20mph. 4 wheels, doors, headlights, windshield wipers, a rear seat, stereo and even heat and AC. They still fall under the "medical device" category. For now.
Mobility devices are regulated by a different agency and I doubt they will change in the near future
I had a pedal only bike that would do 40 miles per hour, on flat roads. Old people can't pedal fast enough for sharing roads, which is a reality.
Sensible people don't need rules, because they're sensible.
You are correct but we can't blame it all on the young there old people that don't know better put grandpa in a Bugatti and don't tell him it's fast
@@DonaldMays the only way that young people are to blame, is that most of them think the gubbamint exists to provide and protect them. Well that's a recipe for failure.
Back in my day, if we got hurt doing something of our own doing, we got laughed at.
I ride my Trek Rail5 (soon to be on a Rail 9.8) on MTB trails, single track and down hill sections. Trek Rails are all PAS, upto 20 MPH, i have never been able to reach 20 MPH going up (to steep and technical) at least in Ladera Ranch,CA. Going downhill we can easily reach 25-35 mph. If they are going to outlaw eMTB for trail use, a lot of riders wont be able to ride the mtb trails anymore. I will estimate around 40-50% of the riders i encounter are on eBikes. Especially people like me at 50 and older....
Having an eMTB you are able to get more miles in, and climb steeper and longer hills - longer rides = more fun. Recently i came down a single track and a guy was pushing his BMX bike uphill, in the middle of the track, i had nowhere to go, and had a major crash. We both got hurt, and i wont be riding for the next 7-10 days. I have been riding for 3 years and never encountered somebody pushing a bike the wrong way. But to prevent similar event i have bought a bell, so my presence is known to anyone nearby.
What is the point if we cant push ourselves to get the excercise and adrenaline. There is no fun in sitting in 24/7 fitness center on a stationary bike, its not the same and will never be.
The problem is the more powerful Surrons - i dont see how a person without a license for at least a motorcycle should be allowed to ride them. They can easily go 40 MPH, and around Orange County i see them on the road doing wheelies in mid traffic. Some dont even wear a helmet. They also sometimes go on the MTB trails and rip up the tracks. They run red lights and do not follow basic traffic rules and some seems to have no common sense at all!
If i saw any of my kids doing the crazy shit i have seen the bike would have the engine submerged in water, and they would be back on an analog bike. They know the rules.
I have seen police crack down on it a few times, and it helps for a few weeks, and then it starts to build again...
I have seen other with the following comment, its the few ruining it for the many ! Sadly i dont give the politicians much credit for using common sense.
Enforce insurance and drivers license for anything with throttle - they are essentially a motorbike just with an electric engine. Anything with a throttle should be banned on public and mtb trails.... If you dont put in an effort you wont get any help!
I am sorry to read about your accident I think class 1 bikes will be OK and the rules would on apply to bikes manufactured after the rules are adopted
In my 70’s on paved path on ebike slowly pedaling assisted by motor . It’s frequently patrolled by rangers and
local police never has a issue as many others obeying the many signs . This is near Sacramento Ca.
Te facts show accidents with cars and injuries as part of their reasoning so again I ask how many bicycle deaths and injury each year?
Sterling heights here, I mostly use my ebike for errands and to and from work. I will not stop.
good for you I do not be leave that you will have a problem in the future unless you buy a new bike
"Stupid stuff"? really? The industry and riders brought this on. Accountability.
Not a huge surprise. Actual enforcement will probably vary significantly across locations.
I do believe that it will be eye-opening for the ones that don't follow the law
Looks like I'll be an outlaw. What are we supposed to do throw away our class 2 ebikes. The number of injuries is minuscule compared to almost any other sport. Just say NO, vote against politicians that vote against us. They will say it's for safety but they really want a ban. Sound familiar?
this will only apply to new bikes in 2025
When a picture is worth a thousand words
I don't get why some motorized vehicles, whether pedal assisted or not, don't need to be registered, insured, and follow the same rules of the road, and others do.
Ah...you voted for joe didnt you. You think paying a tax, and letting govt spend your money for you is the answer...pure brilliance!
Nope voted for Trump I would not trust Joe to be a grandpa
I ride local trails on e-bikes and walk the same - my problem is with analog riders who are mostly oblivious to their excess speed around pedestrians, selfish with no regard for safety. Frankly any bike over 1hp should not be classed in the same category as an analogue bike and any class 1,2 or 3 ebike already sold should be grandfathered
It’s sad that our government insists on e everything but when you buy them all of a sudden it’s a no good thing! We have class 2 e bikes and we are older and they allow us the ability to get out and enjoy what we couldn’t do without them. Seems like it’s the die hard people who believe that only the young and fit should enjoy our trails
I've been riding on city bike paths but for the last three years, and I've seen a ton of ebikes. Some of those ebikes got really fast, and most of the time thing's can get pretty scary. Im not against eBikes those Paths are two lines + a side line for Walkers & runners Agues' plenty show off's from both sides but most of the time ebikes won't slow down.
I ride my ebike here in Scotland.15mph is correct,the problem I fine over here is / dog walker/ walker / runners / all with fecken head phones on .I put a bell on my mountain bike a they still can’t hear me coming .15mph is plenty to get you up hill mate .Enjoy your ebike mate.
I have ridden all over the world and its a big problem in the USA too. I can not imagine why people walk through the woods with the ears covered up. there are bears in those woods
If it does pass, maybe we can remove the throttle and change the controller. not great but better than can't ride it on the safe trails anymore.
But if somebody gets hurt, you could be facing legal troubles if it was found that you were riding something illegal. Something to consider especially if you have significant assets to go after.
May 14 was last day to comment. Does anyone know another way to comment
czcams.com/video/OQnHlhmZHv0/video.html
Regulating some of them as motor vehicles would open the door for everything up to and including big touring motorcycles. There should be some regulatory framework for all the new classes of vehicles. This guy's right about how people need to participate in the process. We can't "us" and "them" our own government. It's a machine we need to operate as responsibly as a motorized vehicle.
we need more laws and more rules and more fines for revenue agents to take our money. Then we will be about opposite of what the country was created for,
I got full coverage insurance including roadside assistance for $145 a year through progressive…. Worth it
Ahead of the curve my homeowner covers our 3 bikes
@@DonaldMays wow …my homeowner insurance wouldn’t cover FULL coverage… I get hit or someone hits me I’m covered for up to $20,000 plus road side assistance including towing …homeowner insurance only covers if it’s stolen on the property itself
Is that $145 just for one bike or does it cover any bike that you ride?
well, i hope nether of us has to use it. I have been hit twice by cars
@@johnstack5008 just your own personal bike
I've been holding off on a e bike. I'm convinced that most campgrounds, trails and already many parks will be banning them. Won't be long before some states will cash in on them and require a registration fee also.
To some point it will happen
Well maybe cars should have speed restrictions built into them so they can’t exceed 100 kmph
Once again, the government attempting to fix a problem that they do not understand. A pro-rider on a bike can be faster than most e-bikes. Especially a Type 1 e-bike. A recent study has shown that there is little to no difference to a trail if someone is riding an acoustic bike or a Type 1 e-bike. Studies showing there have been more accidents, do not tell the whole story. More people riding e-bikes, more people riding acoustic bikes. These numbers are going to go up. No matter how many regulations there are, stuff is going to happen.
Regular bike deaths have been steady since the 70s ebike cause of death are different more of them are caused by bike failures
who is proposing the proposed rules? where can we comment? and will this mean 4 wheeled e-bikes will finally be allowed in the US as they are in the EU?
www.regulations.gov/document/CPSC-2024-0008-0001
@@DonaldMays thank you so much.. just madness to think this will pass
I have the same bike you have😮 so I’m fucked😢 on throttle I do 21😮 on pedal assess I do 25 to 27😮 and I am double fucked because I have a throttle😮 so hypothetically, you’re saying it could happen😅😅 the electric XP you said I would have no problems😮 now you got my panties in uproar😮 do you know what I think?😮 the government wants more money from us.😮😮 do you want taxes from my house?😮 now you want taxes from my electric XP😢 like you said😮 people are ruining it for other people😢😢 thanks for the update😮 good work good CZcams❤❤
Here in Germany you have two different classes in a way. One been like you described the other is more like a moped, which then the bike can legally go up to 45km = 27mph. But you have to have an insurance on it which cost maybe around 50€ so maybe $55 or so. But with this bike you are not officially allowed on bike trails. It is supposed to rode on normal streets not Highways or Interstates those have higher speed limits. Still there are times watching videos from the States where I think it would be cool. But the people don't follow the traffic laws there and here they are lots of bike riders and they mainly follow the road laws. So those laws sound similar to ours here!! I think age should be adjusted to the speed. Cause I think younger kids in generally probably don't follow the laws as most adults. Of course there are some adults who act like kids.
I lived in Germany Bremerhaven and schweinfurt and rode all over the country enjoyed biking there
@@DonaldMays And you saw quite a bit of the country and the different landscaping then. But I am still glad I bought my E-bike back in April. I have a 6 mile one way commute to Heidelberg. If i didn't have the E-bike I wouldn't do it.
@ZaxDrumsandGolf I use to commute 30km to Wurzburg everyday most of it on the road. I worked for the army and built custom frames.
@@DonaldMays That's a good commute!! my total is about 24 km. It's definitely saving me money at the gas pumps!!
The faster your bike, the more regulation you should be subjected to.
People casually make 35mph bikes & call them e-bikes. That's legally a moped across all 50 states & would be subjected to registration, insurance, etc. Why are people afraid of paying more for doing more?
I think this issues revolves around riders coming to terms with "e-bike" & "pedal-motorcycle". Treat it like a motorcycle/dirt bike & this solves 99% of an individuals concerns.
I'd much rather have a no limit motor, pedals, & be treated like a vehicle, instead of being banned from everything because I act like a motorcycle & don't pay for it.
It's a shame that somebody out there hasn't thought about making a motorised bike that you can get a license for and do any speed you want once you've shown your competence in riding to an instructor of some kind.
Hopefully, such regulations won't make the kits for converting a bicycle to ebike illegal.
Doing that has a lot of advantages over buying a ready-made ebike: lighter, and less obviously an ebike.
Happens across all genres people abuse safety so laws are implemented. I have several electric bikes and find most if not ALL in my area ride their ebike like a motorcycle in a bike lane. Glad to see the regulations and we should go Europe’s way
The rule making will like focus on bikes that don't make the standard of current classes. It is likely that future chinese imports will be inspected for compliance to us standards and that don't will be returned just like europe
As a 40 year old who has high powered home-made ebikes, but respect the trails and other people using them, ive seen countless teenagers blasting down bicycle trails at 30+ mph while other people are using the trails.
I haven't seen any adult do this, and road bike guys regularly are pacing 25mph. I know this because i follow many of them for miles.
This issue is a two part thing.
One: theres been enough people misusing ebike speed to get enough complaints and two, its more money.
it is a ebike Parts problem to many failures in untested parts
Seems like as with most things, there are the jerks who will be jerks and ruin things for everyone else. Everyone has to get these new laws while the jerks just find new ways to bs jerks and get even more laws, rinse and repeat ad infinitum.
So instead of being able to just target jerks, everyone ends up paying.
Those standards need to stay in Europe. We have to stop this.
If regulated it should be based on weight to torque.a 400lb person going up a hill need a higher wattage motor than a 60lb kid.
So where is a link to this site to give our opinion, or is this just for views as I don't see it.
Would be helpful to point people in the right direction. As I don't see it per what you said.
Look at 7:50 in the video. He doesn’t provide a link, but explains where to go online.
@@maryl.7226 have you done what he said? If, so provide a link. When I did it, it certainly didn't lead to what he talking about.
Also, I don't know if it true (since I can't find the site), but a person on FB said the time period ended on the 15th.
www.regulations.gov/document/CPSC-2024-0008-0001
@@NOWitsOKto I tried. The deadline was May 14, so the video itself was uploaded after the deadline passed.
@@DonaldMays Deadline was May 14.
One of the EU regulations is 250w max.
(and no throttle allowed)
Germany
Where do I get that cool T-Shirt? I was also born in 1962. There is no way the speeds should be limited to less than 20mph. As always a few bad apples will ruin it for everyone else.
My wife says amazon
The problem isn't that the government doesn't listen to the people. The problem is people aren't using the 2nd amendment for what it was intended for. We The People need to force them to listen and comply. Not the way it is now.
It is who screams the loudest even when there wrong
All they need to do is enforce current laws. 28 mph is the cap, class 3. That's pretty much all you need to do. Any real biker can ride that fast without a motor, anyways. At least for a burst. They are pretty much doing this in LA now, impounding bikes that are going faster in traffic. So, use pedals, forget scooters, keep it down to 30mph, you'll probably be fine.
Very good ADULT response. Not like some of these other responses that are downright childish.
There is a difference between pedal assist and throttle only e-bikes. I have no problem with regulating the speed and ages for throttle only e-bikes but favor leaving the current regulations for pedal assist.
There is no such thing as a throttle-only e-bike, all e-bikes are either class 1, class 2, or class 3. Class 1 - pedal assist only with a max speed of 20mph, class 2 - pedal assist with throttle assist also max 20mph, class 3 - pedal assist max speed of 28, no throttle allowed.
Don't confuse these with electric dirt bikes like the Sur-ron, which are throttle-only and are meant for off road dirt bike riding. That kind of electric motorcycle should not be multi-use trail or sidewalk ridden ever.
Having to pedal to get power is a good thing though.