Why Humans Evolved to Play Music
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- Watch full interview with the researcher and writer of this episode: Dr. Connor Wood: • The Evolution of Music...
Some of the ideas in this episode are original to Dr. Connor Wood's research. You can find out more by checking out his papers below:
"Musical Bonds Are Orthogonal to Symbolic Language and Norms" : www.cambridge.org/core/journa...
"Antistructure and the Roots of Religious Experience:" onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/a...
"Religion, Evolution, and the Basis of Institutions: The Institutional Cognition Model of Religion:" www.degruyter.com/document/do...
Check out his blog Science on Religion at: www.patheos.com/blogs/science...
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Watch full interview with the researcher and writer of this episode: Dr. Connor Wood: czcams.com/video/ktsOzZRaI94/video.html
Some of the ideas in this episode are original to Connor's research. You can find out more by checking out his papers below:
"Musical Bonds Are Orthogonal to Symbolic Language and Norms" : www.cambridge.org/core/journals/behavioral-and-brain-sciences/article/abs/musical-bonds-are-orthogonal-to-symbolic-language-and-norms/4DEB19B642A5A673C19A39DF615717A3
"Antistructure and the Roots of Religious Experience:" onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/zygo.12578?af=R
"Religion, Evolution, and the Basis of Institutions: The Institutional Cognition Model of Religion:" www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.26613/esic.2.2.89/html
Check out his blog Science on Religion at: www.patheos.com/blogs/scienceonreligion/
If you will excuse the cliche, you are preaching to the choir, here... and I'm here for it! The findings presented here are why I say that hymns need to be *singable* so as to invite the widest possible participation, and why "praise band music" that spotlights on-stage soloists is of the Devil.
St. Charles Wesley, pray for us!
Wish a Time-traveler made Ancient people listen to Rise Against as well as Apocalyptica's I'm Not Jesus
Thanks. I didn't see it in the list of videos.
Still other monkeys at zoo couldn't
As a musician going to school for psychology who has an interest in history, this is the coolest video ever.
All those credentials 🪪
Someone’s got tickets on themselves. 😂
hey same!
Here's an unsolicited piece of advice from boomerville to someone I think will understand it; go to school for an education, however you define that, not for a degree or a career. Change is the only constant and it is more likely than not that in 20 years you will be doing something you can't anticipate now. Be prepared to bend and you probably won't break. Worked brilliantly for me.
eww why psychology?
Oh hey there's another one of me out there lol
I was raised in a fairly strict fundamentalist household where most music (except the classical music my dad liked) was strongly discouraged. The only consistent source of music in my life was in church. As an adult, I don't really have favorite songs or a strong enjoyment of music because I just don't have the cultural connection to it. I took voice lessons in college, but my teacher learned I would lose about half my vocal range if my dad was in the recital audience. I've always wondered why music, of all things, should upset my natal community so much. This video explained why; it's easier to keep people in the group if you're their only source of music.
I think I'll go look.for some tunes. :)
I was wondering this same thing throughout the video, but I think you've hit the nail on the head. Exclude all "other" music and rhythmic expression, and you're more likely to bond with the only permitted community in a highly controlled way.
May I know in which religious group you grew up in? I'm just wondering what religion strongly discourages music.
La Villa Strangiato by Rush
@@ThunderDragon778 they said church so some form of christianity. Common throughout most denominations really... Part of my family is very judgemental about music.
@@ThunderDragon778 Church of Christ, Primitive Baptist, Plymouth Brethren, Amish, Mennonite and more. I had a fundamentalist upbringing, no musical instruments allowed and anything that wasn't church hymns was the devil's music including Contemporary Christian music
Music nerd and religion nerd, ive been waiting for this day
Your time has arrived.
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just last week i was searching "why religious ceremonies and rituals in the world are basically based on music?". i am from Ethiopia, where there are four world religions (Islam, orthodox-Coptic Christianity, catholicism, and protestants/Pentecostals ) with a unique aspect. one of them is their music. but not only that every religion relies on music and chanting. i was wondering why and did some googling. now this🤯. From our ABCDs to psalm 23 (one of the most easily recalled chapters in the entire bible by everyone, at least in my local language bible) and Gabby Giffords's music and speech connections, I said to myself 'it's the simplest way of programming our mind'. i completely forgot the social role. love your channel❤. this vid almost felt like a godsend for my curiosity.
Music and songs were probably the best ways to remember and pass on information. Even patients with memory problems can remember songs. One of the first known songs is a Sumerian recipe for making beer. Also, many animals make music.
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@@welcomeindarkside6648 you're haram
@@castrelspirit 😛
Yes! It's how little kids learn the entire Koran by heart.
I can listen to a song once and remember every lyric in time to the rhythm. The Iliad was likely meant to be sung in its entirety. Songs are somehow easier to remember
I remember in middle school I felt left out since I didn't enjoy pop music, and started trying to enjoy it to fit in better. I also met a deaf woman who later in life aquired hearing aids that enabled her to hear for the first time. She said after being able to hear, she didn't particularly enjoy music. She explained that it wasn't music she didn't like, but people's strong social connections to the stuff that had made her feel left out her whole life. I find it really interesting how music and identity can be so tied up
Interesting aspect of things here
One of the best examples of music as social bonding is how subcultures identify themselves by personal style and taste in music.
Or even moreso than ancillary characteristics and cultural signifiers, it's the shared activities, such as a mosh pit, that really bring people together.
"Then a soft piping rose up from all around the dorm, a chorus of tiny voices joined in near harmony. Later, Burden told him it was the rats, calling to each other from around the barracks. Having travelled with humans twenty-eight thousand light-years from Earth, the rats had learned to sing, and humans who had never heard birds had learned to enjoy their song. For the rats it was a survival tactic; they had become lovable. "
Xeelee: Exultant - Stephen Baxter
kinda sorta only tangentially related, but for some reason talks about human evolution and music reminded me of singing rats on a rock in space
It reminded me that in Plato’s Phaedo, when Socrates is making peace with his imminent death, and he argues for the immortality of the soul, one of his stated reasons for hoping is the beauty of the swan’s song on their final day alive because they belong to Apollo, like Socrates, and must know that they are going somewhere better and soon.
Meanwhile one of the people he’s arguing with posits that the soul might be like music and the body like a lyre, and when the lyre is broken, the music will cease
@@joegibbskins thank you I believe music came from mimicking the birdsong we heard around us that then evokes in early humans ears the sounds surrounding them. which in turns us to make music ie our own birdsong. since birds are dinosaurs they would of perfected their chorus by the times early humans were registering sounds with their ears
"Only music can do this. When more than one person talks, it's just noise. But with music, it's a beautiful harmony." - Mozart, _Amadeus_
Classical music helped me process my domestic violence trauma, after I got to safety. Before recorded music, I guess I had to do that in a social context, maybe it plays a role in our survival ability after trauma.
It's 2022! You couldn't be that old.
@@cohoegravitino5559 I think he means if he had lived before recorded music was widely available, he would have had to engage with music in a social setting.
Great analysis! I learned about the role of traditional Chinese court music in Confucianism last semester in my religious studies class, and it was fascinating to see how music was used as THE tool to bond, organize, and hierarchize society (not just religion).
Yeah, I found this video very interesting for that reason! It seems like Confucians understood a lot of these things about music for a long time now.
everything is religious
@@seanliu7785 very true, especially in the case of Ancient China. Shamanism was fundamental to Shang dynasty court tradition, which surprised me when I first learned about it. It’s so interesting to see how the role of Chinese religions in society diverged (and converged) with Western religion throughout history.
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It's not just music but the quadrivium. Music, Geometry, Astronomy, and number, all connect. This connects to the higher order discovered by the Greeks. The Greater/Lesser Perfect System. The perfect 5th in music is the bases of the allegory told in the movie. The 5th Element. The 7 day creation story came from the Major scale. God "rested" on the 7th day because the 7th scale degree is Locrian (Loko, Loki) and has no resolution and contains the tritone which is also known as the Devils interval. So as far as the 7 modes of music go only 6 are used to play create songs. In western music in Major scale we omit that 7th chord because it's diminished. This is a dimenished 5th. This 5th represents the 5 pointed star. Also the kick drum in a band represents the All Seeing Eye. The drummer sits in the middle on a riser making up the top of a pyramid or triangle. The drummer sits on a seat called a drum Throne. Beats on circles the most sacred shape with rods. Drums simulate thunder and shimmering ocean waves. The drummer represents God. Why? Because the drummer is the creator of time and controls the Tempo/Temple.
The origin of music is such an interesting rabbit hole to fall into!
To add to the reason why music can be rather complex (in contrast to a energy-cost efficient metronome beat you might expect evolutionary speaking), it's also because the richness of the music matters to the reaction it has on our motor systems. Complex music often plays with both the anticipations of repeated learned patterns, as well as subverting said expectations. Both of which active the dopamine system in our brains, which is relation to learning/anticipating/etc. (this is also part of the reason why music needs to keep evolving/innovating with time, in order to remain effective in this regard)
Incidentally, dopamine uptake issues are a core feature for Parkinson's disease (and generally movement initiation issues of elderly people). Studies have therefore found that elderly people are physically able to perform better on actual (rich) music, compared to a simple metronome beat (Wittwer, Webster, and Hill, 2013). The energizing effect of music, in turn also affects the social cohesion dynamic. The more people move and dance to the sounds together, the more bonded they feel! In other words: full body dancing is more effective in social bounding than just tapping your feet (Tarr, Launay, Cohen and Dunbar, 2015).
But honestly, there are so many elements to music that its an endles topic!
I also am intrigued by the physical response to music and the chemical production of the body in motion. I do believe the human responses to music may be one of our most primitive instincts 😊
This comment is awesome
Nightwish's song "Music" is literally about the origin of music and it's beautiful. Definitely recommend it.
Music is definately more ancient than religion. As a trianed musician and music teacher I can make out complex rhythmic patterns of different species of cricket in my locality. Its absouletly amazing to listen to complex rhythms of crickets, the same rhythms in odd time which take considerable amt of practice to perform and to feel. I think music evovled as communications and pattern recognition tool and as a display of neural fitness to attract mates perhaps
Religion already claims way too many things in life originated with it.
Just simple storytelling could have done the trick; combine the fact that stories are easier to remember in rhyme, then add the fact that languages are naturally rhythmical and musical.
I listen to mechanical animals, and can pick out complex rhythms (cyclical repetitions) in those, too. In addition to the frogs, crickets and birds
I went to a street festival in a different city. A trumpeter was playing for the crowd. He played the opening phrase from the Adams Family TV show. The whole crowd clapped at the appropriate times. Me being one of them. I had not seen the show in 50 years.
I even went "Clap Clap" in my mind while reading your comment!
@@SandcastlingGuy LOO yes it is that deeply engrained
This channel never ceases to be fascinating and enlightening. I'm consistently blown away by the exceedingly high bar you set for research and presentation. You're doing truly excellent work.
Nature has rhythms. Bird songs, hoof cadence, dripping rain water in comparison to intensity of precipitation, etc. Your heart beats and breathing are rhythmic and can be noticed and interpreted. Add in pitch and tone, and there is physical response (you know when creepy things are coming in horror shows). But my favorite is string theory. The vibrations of the universe and the potential of multiple existences. All these factors make the human inclusion of music a certainty. Math is the LEGOs that everything is designed by and music 🎶 is one of the most emotional forms of mathematics ❤❤ Don’t you just love how everything in existence is similar yet different?! I obviously do😊
Beautifully said.
Absolutely agree
As a physicist, I was totally on board with your comment until you said the words string theory. The existence of vibrations doesn't need to have a basis in string theory.
Frequency domains arise naturally in mathematics (see Fourier transforms), whether it's over time, space, or both. For most forms of matter in the universe, frequency is directly related to many fundamental properties such as energy or mass.
String theory doesn't even enter the picture, and while it's a cool theory, it's untestable and more closely resembles religion than science at this point in time. Especially in popular culture.
As an aspiring composer, I believe music is indistinguishable from magic in both name and effect.
I am writing for a graphic novel I am also illustrating in a high fantasy setting where music is the basis of magic through Cymatics. I am not as musically inclined as my wife and her family but everytime I see them get together for jam sessions or watch how a musician talks about ideas like pitch or cadence I am left in awe at what looks indistinguishable from Magic to me.
@@DamienZshadow This sounds interesting, do you already have a name for the graphic novel? I would like to google it in the future.
Thats an awesome idea, reminds me of zelda games that use musical mechanics. Theres so much potentially cool and creative character designs, powers and world building you could extract from that baseline concept alone. Hope your book does well best of luck!
In "name"? No, music is called music and magic is called magic.
@@cohoegravitino5559 Have you paid the pied piper?
In summary, "Music makes the (human) world go round."
There's a great sci-fi book called "Year Zero: A Novel" by Rob Reid that positions the music created by the humans of Earth as unique in the galaxy. Our music had such an impact in the galaxy at large that their standard calendar was reset to make the discovery of our music "year zero."
You may also enjoy reading "The Secret Sense", by Isaac Asimov (1941). It's a short story (8 pages), with a plot that is 'almost' the opposite of the Reid novel. It's available on archive.org
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Thanks for sharing
As a lifelong classically trained musician and music teacher, I absolutely loved this post. It's the first time I've heard anyone outside of musical theorists really dig into this subject. It was accurate and thought-provoking.
If I were to pick a nit, it would be in that you seem to think of music as a technology that was created by people at some point in the shrouded past, but I think it's deeper than that. The roots of music are biological and predate anything vaguely resembling a hominid.
It's not as if someone said, "Hey, what if I tried making a stone tool," and everyone copied them. Or that someone said, "Hey, instead of using my vocal capacity monotonally, transmitting purely information emanating from the neocortex, [which of course no animal ever did, outside of this thought experiment], maybe I'll try modulating the rhythm, frequency and amplitude of my vocalizations to add in some emotional affect"? Try reading this paragraph back in an old-fashioned computery robot monotone and you'll see what I mean. And consider: in the 80's when e-mail was new, lots of people got in trouble when the emotional intent of a message was lost in pure verbiage, giving rise to the emoji.
Because here's the thing: we all sing every time we speak. Otherwise we would sound like HAL in 2001. (With even flatter affect.) Music begins with vocal inflections expressive of emotion; the "sing-song" aspect that imbues mammalian communication with emotional content. Birds and other non-mammals have this behavior, along with spleens, guts, and communal living, but it manifests as differently as a bird's wings and a primate's arms. Still it's wonderful to contemplate.
In the case of rhythm, we experience bodily rhythms all day, every day, from respiration and pulse to walking and gesticulating. As well as many (of course) external to us. I once had a young music student, 11-12 years old maybe, make a list of 100 things that go in rhythm. Everything from the cycling on and off of his fish tank, to day and night and moon phases and seasons of the year. Try it. I let him quit after three weeks when he had only made it into the high 70's. But the point sank in deeply, and his own sense of rhythm improved palpably.
So my view is that things like stone tools and music were never invented -- they grew along with us, in the same evolutionary process as skin and eyes and bones, and are just as much a part of us.
I also really enjoyed your discussion of primate grooming behavior, since it reminded me of my anthropologist pal in the 70's who always called small talk "verbal grooming." He was an interesting guy. He had five postgraduate degrees, including a doctorate in cultural anthropology, and one in physical anthropology. For the latter he spent 7 years shuttling between Seattle and places all over the Soviet Union, developing a fusion of certain Soviet and Western ideas on human evolution, which no one had previously been in a position to harmonize. His parents were New York artists and art collectors who, as ardent communists, went into temporary Mexican exile in the Diego Rivera / McCarthy days, so he was unusually situated for an entre into Soviet academia at the time. Very unusual and interesting work.
Me? After a double major in medieval and renaissance music / Roman Catholic religious studies, I spent five years of postgraduate theological study preparing to become an Episcopalian monk, which I never ended up doing. Instead I spent 30+ years in library work, most of it as a law school reference librarian, at Gonzaga, UNLV, and Northwestern University, among others, while performing and teaching music as an avocation.
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I have spent 32 years introducing non singers to performance czcams.com/video/pRmD2bXuIJ4/video.htmlsi=W-APP0kq_AfV8VzE
Thanks for introducing a fascinating part of religious experience. We know that instruments played an important role an ancient societies, so your clip opens the discussion of how music figures into religious experience.
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This makes me think of sea shanties and other songs sung by people when working together and coordinating during a work activity.
Yup! I'm kinda surprised that he didn't mention them.
Mostly anyone that has been to a rave, festival or just a club can relate to this video. The sudden and sharp increase of socially bonding with total strangers is unbelievable. This is top quality video. Thanks man,donating to your patreon.
Music is a world within itself
With a language we all understand
With an equal opportunity
For all to sing, dance and clap their hands
--Stevie Wonder, 'Sir Duke'
This is so fascinating! I completely understand the point meet about marginalized groups as my people, Circassians, live in diaspora and music and dance are such a huge part of our community. In fact, it is the one thing we retain the most even beyond our own language and history. We have myths and our stories about our culture where a Warrior being nurse for his injuries are chanted over which reduces the pain the experience. Our culture also has a great deal many social norms that are broken under the circumstances when we dance and play music.
An excellent well presented overview of the subject!! As someone who got their degree in Medical Anthropology with a very strong focus on shamanistic practitioners and other healers who enter into voluntary altered states of consciousness, I am very excited to see that you are dipping your toes into neurotheology and the evolutionary psychology of religious experiences
This sort of biopsychosocial approach is a line of inquiry that I feel can add a whole lot to comparative religious study
You can take one look at the collective !Num T/chai trance dancing rituals of the !Kungsan peoples and see all of your major points writ large
I have to say, that the idea that you bring up, that marginalized peoples have a greater affinity for antinomian ecstatic practices as a way of social release never sat well with me, for a few reasons.
1 that in many cases , like the !Kung trance dancing, and shamanistic practices, and even Voudoun, are not really on their own antinomian. They are often very strictly practiced religions, which are only antinomian because the upper classes adopted other religions as part of culture shifts, usually as parts of being colonized. You take this cultural shift out of the picture, and they are ecstatic, but in no ways antinomian anymore.
2 Also, in classical Central Asian shamanism, and adjacent practices, only one person, the shaman enters trance. Their client may enter light trance as part of the healing process too, but other than that, the community at large are by and large eager spectators more than participants in the trance parts of the ceremonies. Thus the primary function of the trance state for these shaman has nothing to do with antinomian rebellion against authority in that society.
The only solid example of this hypothesized connection between ecstasis and antinomian release for oppressed classes of people i can think of is Zaar, which does seem like a way for women in Islamic cultures for ritually working out the stresses of being women in those cultures. The rest, im just not seeing the connection when i look at these religions on their own terms.
Anyways, thankyou again for an amazing video. I will be showing this to my students!
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Absolutely love this channel. Keep it up, Andrew!
In my childhood, every evening, all people of our hamlet would come together and sing and dance in circles , and as days passed our hamlet got electricity and everyone got TV connection, people started to stay inside their houses , and now we still dance together but only during festivals and special days
Biology nerd here.
The Baldwin effect was described in a paper (by Baldwin of course) titled "A New Factor in Evolution" published in 1896. That date isn't a typo. For comparison, the structure of DNA was figured out by Watson, Crick, and Franklin in 1953.
It wasn't until the 1990s that the interplay between development/plasticity and evolution started to be really appreciated by most evolutionary biologists.
Absolutely fantastic!
Finding someone who's in to your favorite particular music preference almost always guarantees an immediately bond of trust, even if only temporary.
I've noticed that too. I can spot it too from the various content I put on my own channel.
Fascinating! And I heard so many parallels with activity I see in niche musical subcultures and the human interaction at concerts or festivals. And I guess it's no mistake that some would call it a religion or describe it in religious vocabulary, albeit often tongue-in-cheek. As a metalhead, it's quite common to hear stuff like that, and even music making references to "the altar of metal" or a festival as a church or a ritualistic gathering. Granted, a lot of it is corny af, but there's something.
Great job, as always, Dr Henry
I've often speculated that one of the best ways to understand early Christian "heresies" and in-groups and out-groups formulated by heresiologists can be found in the sociological traits of music subcultures.
Music subcultures, especially dark subcultures like post-punk and goth, explore similar themes like alienation, communal "liturgy," and myths of fallen gnosis.
But that's just my fanfiction.
Best video yet - thank you. Someone told me the other day (so I have checked!) that the human voicebox evolved to sing, rather than to speak, so our first form of communication may well have been music. Perhaps the beating of our mothers hearts and the noises in the womb condition us to melt into music.
Overtone singing is the perfection of human sound so it came first. We evolved our voice boxes, throats and musical appreciation long before symbolic language. Here is one of my introductions to understanding voice czcams.com/video/dhVkRrlAHi8/video.htmlsi=jwXlEpcEdpgX_AG-
I think this is my favourite video on your channel so far. So interesting! Love your videos.
Thanks! Glad you like it. Lots more evolution of religion vids planned.
You dear Sir are a genius and I have been wanting to know about this topic for a very long time and have not found these ideas so condensed anywhere else.
Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!
Prestine video, this area of knowledge is incredible and I hope to see more videos explaining this ideas, thank you for your work :)
I just adore seeing footage of Sosyete Nago in these videos 💕 thank you for your wonderful work
I find this research fascinating and I am able to relate fully. Thank you for the interesting presentation!
I feel that in "circles of healing singing" the synchronisation of breathing and heartbeats give a very simple yet profound feeling of being one, of interbeing.
And I have a question: Have you also found a link between "free energetic shaking dancing" (in comparison to coordinated, smooth dancing like tango) and trauma release? Nowadays there are a lot of "trembling" methods of trauma release (e.g. TRE), and I once heard that after WWII disco-like dancing became THE thing, because people had to "shake off" the trauma. For me this would fit neatly into your description of marginalized people dancing ecstatically. It would add the idea that they do not just want to leave their social role, yet also unconsciously heal their trauma.
love your videos, great presentation of info with truly interesting or useful endpoints; the perfect focused direct and relentless eye contact is unrelaxed
Love the episode. I did have a class about psychological part when I was studying, but never saw it placed in such a wider context.
Ty for making this! Have been womdering about this over the last 3 days, and was discussing with freinds. What particularly sparked my curiosity was the uplifiting nature of lyrics in ragge music and comparing it to Sikh kirtan I was at, plus an ecstatic dancing drum circle i got to attend a day afterwards.
I cant help hut wonder
This video is wonderful! It overlaps with what is coming out of the trauma/PTSD research in terms of attachment's role in healing from trauma. Thank you for a great video!
Best Content I've seen in years this video and especially the plugs to serious commentators are beyond appreciated.
Best one yet, doc. Keep them coming!
Excellent session
Thank you for sharing
This is such a great video!!! Thanks for making this!
Great video! I'm so thankful for the wonderful content you make
A most excellent double plus good episode!
Really hit the sweet spot with this universal topic.
Fantastic video! I've had similar thoughts on this myself, so it's great to see something scholarly about it too!
Very cool. I think this is my favourite video you've made thus far. Really took me back to the interesting theory I found within religious studies.
It's all interesting and amazing for something so primal to be so current, changing and until there are no humans; unstoppable. What blew me away was the marching in cadence and the tie to generosity, trust and cooperation. That is beyond holy sh-t to me.
Awesome video Andrew! Keep up the good work man!
This is such a beautiful episode
This is one of your most fascinating videos, and that's saying something.
This is massive when you relate the findings on endorphin release etc. to the Dancing Plagues that are still not well understood. This human need for synchronicity or even dancing as one could've had a role in those 'outbreaks'. Kind of cool to imagine
A very objective look at how humans evolved to have music and religion, great video. I hope you explore more ideas like this, thank you!
your videos are always so amazing
Thank you for the video!
What a coincidence that JUST RIGHT NOW this video came up. I've been following this channel since 2020 and I've just recently arrived Brazil to study a Master degree in Musicology. What an Amazing casuality (or causality?)
Great content, as always!
Great episode. Really well written!
Music is magic that transcends time and space and even death.... John Denver died before I was born and I've never been to west Virginia but the song Country Roads makes me feel the way he did about that place and time when he was there
This knowledge changes so much
Great episode; thanks
This is a fascinating topic that I did not expect to see on this channel and am glad to see it. I had read about some university study that took place in the 1980's that concluded that workers worked more efficiently when there was a musical background. But this video shows that the concept is far more complicated than that. I am a sous chef and knowing what I know about how music can calm, placate and unite workers, I have always let my kitchen staff play music. There is occasional disagreement over what kind of music played so everyone gets to take a turn choosing the genre. But I had no idea that people were bonding over actual participation in the music rather than simply listening to it. I'm wondering if adding a once per day sing-along inspired by the cultural diversity of our team would have a bonding affect and cause them to work better cohesively as a team. I just thought it had an affect on a personal level or if two or more people simply liked the same kind of music and I let them play that then they would simply be sharing a common like for that music much like two people who like baseball might go to a baseball game. So this is food for thought. Thank you so much for posting.
Amazing video. Thank you.
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Great video! Thank you so much
The use of music in building social bonding is found at metal and hardcore shows. As soon as someone takes a fall in the mosh pit complete strangers go out of their way to pick the fallen person up. People are generally very kind to one another at these shows too.
Wow, this was a pleasant surprise, wonderful video.
Thank you from a a musician and composer follower! This is an interesting analysis of one of the multiple theories about the origin of Music (I surely prefer this to the theory presenting musical behaviour as an evolution of calls for reproduction...).
I would really like to see a similar video also by Let's Talk Religion, since he's also a musician.
Mastery of human sound means becoming an overtone singer czcams.com/video/dhVkRrlAHi8/video.htmlsi=jwXlEpcEdpgX_AG-
The most essential rhythmic thing in all our lives are our hearts. We know are heart rates are reflective of our physical and emotional states. Therefore externalizing that rhythm in a group setting could be viewed as a form of emotional co-regulation
You’re right. The first thing we hear when our ears and brain start to work together in the womb is our mother’s heartbeat.
Thank you. It is a fascinating subject.
3:35 reminds me of how some ideas and concepts can be communicated via whistles and tunes in Pirahã
12:04 this idea about bonding of different groups using music, reminds me of a great movie (joyeux Noel 2005).
I'd propose that the social bonding aspect of music may have followed the function of encoding information important to survival into a grid of rhythm and pitch. Once that was established, it was primed to be coopted for social bonding. It's very common for tempos to be close to a walking pace. So a "song" encoding important information could be recited while walking. Add in a pitch dimension and you have a grid that would make many inadvertent changes stand out, thus preventing unwanted changes in the information, an early form of error correction.
This is one of my favorite videos on the whole wide internet
As someone who chants and sings every week in synagogue, it's fascinating to look at it from this angle. It also explains why the hymns tend to be in the start and end of the prayer, it bonds you for prayer then primes you for the yard gossip ;)
Great video, thanks!
This video really did open a new door for me to explain the phenomenon of music
I needed band class first thing every morning to get in my zen happy good chill state... meditative
I think the conjecture that music is an adaptive trait that initially arose to facilitate social bonding, wasn't really unpacked to the extent that it could be anything more than just a conjecture - and i think the possibility of music occurring without any evolutionary or environmental pressure has to be acknowledged. Additionally, I feel like the notion was implied that rhythm is the most fundamental element of music, but i think this essentially arbitrary - albeit something that has been put forth by great composers (Richard Wagner for one), and perhaps it just feels intuitive to people that rhythm should be the foundation of music - but I don't see why it shouldn't be pitch, which could be produced without any emphasis on a rhythm, beat or pulse.
I've already watched this video 3 times. It's so fascinating, and introduces me to so many concepts I've never even considered. 🤯
Edit: I wonder what this says about ravers..
Ah, Patrick Savage!! I redd his Ph.D dissertation and got in touch with him as I was preparing my M.Sc proposal for an Evolutonary Musicology approach to studying Hebrew Cantillation.
Also, music helps memorize and share stories. Most traditional legends were written as poems, whose internal rhythm that certainly had the same effect of bonding people into their common folklore.
And language is naturally musical as well. Not such a big leap to imagine rhythmically chanting text to evolve into a song.
Watching this video with music-based subcultures in mind (punk, metal, hip hop) and this makes a lot of sense as to why those subcultures and lifestyles build around music. and why metalheads see their music as a religion
For anyone interested in this topic, I highly recommend the book "The Singing Neanderthals" by Steven Mithen. It's all about how music predates, and led to the development of, human language.
Thank you. someone mentioned this to me the other day and I would love to learn more so will get this book.
@@PadmeP It'll blow your mind! Be well
Thanks 🙏🏽
Since it’s a difficult discipline you have to learn over years of study, I’d say we did not evolve to play music but evolved to enjoy doing things requiring acquired skill. Something that happened because of agriculture. Another acquired skill. But a skill that we needed to live in diverse climates. If we don’t have enough context to actually understand the Bible, we definitely don’t have the context to speculate on where our various recreations and professions came from. They’ve been around as long as anyone can remember.
Excellent content!
Music evolved from the cradle of Mama's arms as she hummed and sang to her babies, trying to ease their pain or get them to sleep.
I see this very present on evangelical christianity, music is a major tool on connecting the people and creating emotion and a somwhat mystical extasis state among the believers. The first time I went to an evangelical church I understood why it´s so appealing to many
Loved this.
At every wedding I have ever been, the combined effect of some drinks + music and dancing was definitely the best icebreaker and "social lubricant "
This was really cool!
mind blown! Amazing vid! 🙂
the example of the bird dancing needs more focus. ppl who study birds know they memorize songs as part of social interaction and inclusivity. depending on the species if you dont hear the right things as a baby you wont be able to mate as an adult, or hearing new things as an adult becomes like the "cool thing" and others of your species will learn it from you and dace.. bluejay vs cockatoo in this example..
I have a very hard time with keeping rhythm and am not a big music person, and I have noticed this makes it very hard to bond with people.
This was really very interesting. I know that it used to be common for big businesses in the US to do things like have a company song book. Specifically I remember from when I used to work at IBM that someone who had been there longer than I had possessed a xeroxed copy of the IBM song book. I can only assume that they would have sung from it at big meetings. Now I’m wondering why they stopped doing that.