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Hi Charlie. When building my viaduct I had some great advise on RMweb - not to have my viaduct square with my backscene. After much messing around I must say it did look alot better at a slight angle. Something you might want to try?
Hi Paul,
Isn’t it bazaar that placing it at an angle never even entered my head. You’re right it might look better, and would even help on the curve issue coming off onto the right hand board. Sometimes you can’t see the wood for the trees. I will certainly size up that option later today.
My sincere thanks Paul.
Furthermore Paul, it’s a goer!
@@ChadwickModelRailway not my idea - just passing on the knowledge! Glad to help :)
The back scene looks great and the track plan into the older tmd is going to work well. The viaduct once in place is going to be great once scenically done. Having seen your scenic skills already, it’s going to be great. Can’t wait to see it! Clint
Thanks Clint, I do hope that you’re right.
Luke is a god. I find myself rewatching his videos over and over and over again XD
Me too.
Very interesting series, its good to watch how you change your layout to fit it into the existing one.
Thanks Joe, I’m pleased that you enjoyed it.
Hi Charlie ... Iam learning an awful lot from your vids thanks ! Can't help thinking you are ex military ! ... Boulder Creek and Lukes work is beyond awesome .... Thanks again & Keep them coming... Steve
Hi Steve, I’m so pleased that you enjoy my videos. Luke however, is a God amongst modellers.
Yes I do have a military past!
Bugger, another secret revealed!
Regards Charlie.
Haha sorry Charlie ... I think it all down to the delivery and the timing ...takes one to know one as they say ! All the best Steve @@ChadwickModelRailway
Great layout update
Thanks Andy
Well done. Luke Towan is a super source of techniques.
Very true regarding Luke.
I met Luke a few years ago at an Exhibition, he is very talented and a really nice guy.
That’s good news Tom.
He comes over as a decent sort.
No pressure Charlie.. but that viaduct with the valley scenery will be fun to watch come together.. cheers
No pressure!
A likely story Jim.
We’ll get there in the end mate.
The valley viaduct looks to be very realistic...great works as always..
You’re too kind HM
Plans look great Charlie.
Pleased to see the backscene go down with much more success at the second attempt. ;)
Looking forward to seeing the scenery come to life around the viaduct over the coming weeks and months.
All the best
Jamie
Thanks Jamie, you’re too kind.
The new back scene looks good behind that viaduct. Coming along nicely Charlie. I agree, Luke is a very talented guy. Best, John
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it John.
Another great update Charlie
Thanks James.
Looks really good, the seams are much better now it looks like you where right about the seams. Th he plan seems to be coming together now looking foward to see more. Luke is a master for sure! Thanks for sharing....Jack 😀
Thanks JO, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
Another enjoyable watch Charlie and a good call out to Luke Towan. He does indeed make unbelievable diaramas but you're up there too mate.
No Paul, rest assured I’ve a long way to go yet. He is Super League.
Another helpful video, so much so that I am now actively considering a viaduct for my new layout being planned; thank you!
I’m so pleased that you found it inspirational. Please watch my assembly video before buying the Peco/Wills version!
Thank you, I have indeed watched that particular video already, so I am well prepared should I go down that path!
Luke is sensational. Followed his channel for ages. Highly recommended viewing.
I couldn’t agree more.
Coming as long nicely Charlie.
Thanks Greg
Glad you have your new backdrop up without any major hitches this time,looks good. Yes Luke Towen is very talented. I watch his channel an I'm just in awe of the scenes he creates.
Hi Jeff, yes he’s a true master.
Another very informative video Charlie, thanks for posting it. I particularly enjoyed the Wilson Keppel & Betty sand dance impression during the paperhanging!
Just checking that you were paying attention!
Looks very good, the tunnel portal against the edge Is just like mine, ironically this means the track runs away from the edge the perfect width so if something comes off it doesn't go in the floor!!
Great minds......... as they say.
Great update Charlie, you have made a splendid job of that backscene now! Cheers Steve
Thanks Steve, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
For a "more mature chap", you sure do work fast! Great video.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Christopher.
Can’t wait to see where you go with this, I love the plan
Thanks, you’re too kind.
Nice wallpapering tutorial Charlie! ;-) And worthwhile reordering the back scene in the long run. Nice avoidance of the phrase "we'll cross that bridge when we come to it" about the 9 minute mark! Cheers
Davie, I do believe that you’re paying too much attention.
@@ChadwickModelRailway Sorry boss! ;-)
Hi Charlie
I've figured out a track plan that works with your intended plan.
Junction remains where you sited it.
Down Line 3 2nd radius curves.
Up Line 2 and a half 2nd radius curves.
Remove Double Slip "Y" point and Left hand point.
From Double Slip position install Left hand small radius point followed toe to toe with a Right hand small radius point (from which will come your new curved and extended Head Shunt track) then a left hand Curved point.
Existing main line can then be realigned to follow the curved points radius and connect with their respective 2nd Radius track ends, the resulting curve will be much gentler and visually more appealing.
So the entry to the TMD for the down line track is sorted for the UP line track you would need to install a Single Slip at the crossover on the other board and relocate the other Right hand point at the appropriate place in the track above.
I hope this makes sense and that you gain inspiration to have a plan that satisfies your operational requirements.
Regards Gary (Models Australia Victoria V/Line era)
Blimey Gary, that’s a great option. I’m going to pace it out shortly. I’m so grateful to all the suggestions I get. It really shows that our hobby still has an enormous amount of talented modellers.
Hi Charlie, totally agree with what you've said about Luke Towan , I've been watching his channel for a few year's now and like you pinched a few of his idea's especially how he make's his wire armature tree 's, absolutly fantastic and so realistic such a great talent. Great video as usual ..loking forward to what happen's next....cheers Tony
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the video Tony and agree the Luke is a god.
Thanks, another interesting vid. Its taking shape...
Thanks Martyn.
Luke is superb been following him for some time a Master Modeller. Once again enjoyed your vid Charlie.
Hi Colin, yes Luke is a modelling god.
Another great video Charlie!
Thanks mate.
Well watching the Auzzies video Charlie l think you’ve got the water thing sussed out now mate! He’s very meticulous as are you so can’t wait for you to get started on yours now! John
Thanks John, you’re too kind.
Good luck with your layout.
Regards Charlie
Well Charlie, glad to see your making good progress & the essential planning is paying dividends. Getting peace of mind is crucial, if it looks right then there's always a good chance it is right 🙂.
Guess the pose was your wife's cue to enter stage right 🙂
Looking forward to the end result. I wonder what it would look like from the air, via a miniature camera drone?
Don't be too hard on yourself you work to a high standard & the results are there for all of us to see. Thank you for making our lives a bit easier as we all progress our layouts.
Regards,
Dave.
Thanks Dave for your very kind thoughts. It’s comments such as yours that make it worthwhile.
Regards Charlie
Very appropriate music Charlie.
The joins are pretty good to be fair mate. Great to see the progression.
Thanks DN
Excellent video charlie, good to see mrs bishop getting in on the action :)
Nice little pose too
My wife remains unpaid for such a short appearance.
Viaduct looks good Charlie and the rest will look good after its done ,just as well your good lady was there to give you a hand ,i liked the Egyptian dancing before you put ip backing on viaduct lol
I’m just checking that you were paying attention!
Super video Charlie, loved the sand dance 🤣Liking how the plan is coming together 👍 Watched Lukes videos for a while now, the guy is a master. Would be nice if you could use one of the arches to model a road running alongside the river, something along the lines of that at Ironbridge.😉
Hi, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
Yes there is a road bridge plan but for now, I’m keeping the details under wraps
Hi Charlie, while watching this I suddenly realised that there is a town in southern Cornwall that has a real viaduct linking two hillsides, it's in Hayle it curves in the same direction as yours and the lower scene lends itself to road and water scenery perfectly, with buildings and other interesting bits as wel,l have a look on Google maps and street view, I think it would be perfect.
Oh dear (swear words omitted).
I was in Helston for four days, two weeks ago. I’ll check it out though on Google maps. Thanks for the tip Jonnerz
@@ChadwickModelRailway do your search on Hayle railway station, one end of the station is just of the viaduct.
Charlie, you certainly have peaked my interest. Can hardly wait for the next video. CheersGreg
Thanks Greg, as usual, you’re too kind.
Hi Charlie, A modeler in Sweden makes his mountains with a wood framing, nd then ataples wire cloth over the top. After that he uses bathroom tissue and 50/50 pva to lay down a covering. Next he places rocks form molds with hot glue, fills in the gaps betwen them with hydrocal, paints the main mountain and then the rock outcroppings. Finally bits of foam foilage around and walla - -a rallly nice result. CZcams for - -marklin of sweden.
Bob
Thanks for the lead Bob, I’ll check him out.
Another informative video Charlie. Luke Towan does indeed do great scenery.
I’m glad that you enjoyed it Bill. Luke certainly is a god amongst modellers.
Another exelent video as always Charlie getting some good ideas and tips for my build so keep those videos coming
Thanks Anthony.
Excellent work once again Charlie.
Thanks Leo.
Charlie, Nice wallpaper skills on display. In my early modeling day's I modelled in E.M. and P.4 and seeing such sharp curves always worries me. Fingers x'ed it works. The new extension to the fiddle yard will be great. Luke Towan's Diorama's are just awsome. I wish my modelling skills were up to his level. Cheers, Chris Perry.
Hi Chris, yes Luke is a modelling god.
Good progress Charlie! Luke is brilliant I follow him and his work is awesome 👌 Regards.......Jaco
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it and yes Luke is a modelling god.
Great video, Charlie! Nice to have you back! I plan to use EnviroTex Lite myself, one of these days when I get around to pouring the river. I notice you have two S curves coming from the old Chadwick TMD to the viaduct. Those could very well cause you problems. When the front end of one freight car is going one way and the other is going the other way, it does not make for pleasurable operations. If you could figure out a way to have a straight section of track of at least one car length between the curves, that will eliminate most of the issues.
A good point FB and I will certainly consider it.
Hi Charlie Great video as usual, the viaduct is coming along really well. I have had a look at Luke Towans channel and have to agree with you his work is amazing. Look forward to your next video mate. Dave.
Thanks Dave, I’m so pleased that I’m keeping you entertained.
Stay tuned, regards Charlie
1:44 hehehe nice dance moves
Thanks mate.
Hi Charlie. If you used a curved left point on the old Chadwick board instead of a straight left-hand point you could relieve your track radius to the junction before the viaduct. I know this would mean taking out more of the hill/cliff of old Chadwick, but I think it would flow better. Anyway just a thought - Keep up the great work!
Great idea Paul and I’ll certainly look into it. Regards Charlie
Keep to the first plan idea for the front road into Chadwick with single road. Keep curve as gentle as possible. 2nd rad far to sharp problems in future. Also operating will be improved as trains will have to stop to allow others to pass.
Hi Richard, many thanks for your advice. Regards Charlie
Thought about you again today Charlie; re-Reading the “HORNBY Magazine” Annual Year Book No.7 (2015).
This contains an illustrated feature on building the viaduct section for one of their layouts, “Shortley Bridge” (Pages 48 to 53). Regards, Bob
Thanks Bobby, I’ll try and track down a copy.
Thank you
You’re welcome.
Very nice track plan Charlie!! Luke Towan has a stunning CZcams channel and website. It's really awesome!! Cheers Onno.
I couldn’t agree more Onno, Luke is a god.
Nice progress Charlie. As well as moving the twin track tunnel back a bit, have you thought of a road in the hillside coming out and crossing a bridge where your single tunnel is now, or something in that vein? Have been looking at Lukes channel for a while now and it amazes me as to what realism he achieves. I will never get to 10% of his achievement but have picked up some good tips, as I have from your channel.
Barry.Devon.
Hi Barry,
I completely understand your point. My current thinking is to have a smaller single lane road bridge much lower crossing the river. This would supported local traffic and farming needs.
Regards Charlie
Maybe it's worth considering running the lines into Chadwick in the open on an embankment on the hillside, while the lines to the fiddle yard dissapear into a tunnel in the hill behind? Especially if you are thinking of moving the scenic break on the left of Chadwick TMD anyway? The double junction and diamond looks really great and it would be a shame to hide it.
It’s early days so we shall see how it develops. Regards Charlie
Been following Luke for years! Walk like an Egyptian? 😀 My valley project has also started!
At least I made you smile and good luck with your layout.
Chadwick Model Railway Cheers, my U shaped valley project is even more ambitious than yours! www.lumsdonia.co.uk/images/3ba4ae6b9489.jpg 😮
Blimey, good luck with your design TS.
Chadwick Model Railway It's not just a design, all the bridges are already half built! I can post links to the build, if anyone is interested?
P.S. I can't look at your channel now without the Bangles tune running through my head! 😂
Another great video Charlie. You recommended watching Luke Towan’s channel and having already viewed many of them myself I can also recommend him but, you should try watching “Luke’s APS” (another Luke), he is from the U.K. and although he does a lot of war gaming tutorials he also has lots of excellent scenery tutorials. What makes him stand out isn’t just the fact that he has the ability to create stunning scenery it’s the fact that he has experimented it would appear quite extensively with cheap widely available products to create scenic materials that are often far cheaper than the well known brands that railway modellers and war gamers normally use, he then passes on his tips, techniques by way of easy to follow entertaining tutorials (much like yourself). You mention in your video “Sculptamould” and Luke at Luke’s APS has a far cheaper alternative recipe for Sculptamould that requires you to mix fine casting plaster, water and toilet rolls (not a crap idea, sorry couldn’t resist that). He also has great tutorials for making cheap flock, rock moulding, painting, water effects and many other scenic tips that are definitely worth watching. Keep up the good work on your layout.
Hi Andy. I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the video. I too have subbed to Luke APS and have found him inspiring although a real contrast to Luke Towan.
Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie
I've been watching your videos for quite some time they are both entertaining and informative.
You do have quite a problem integrating the TMD portion the big problem is retaining the head shunt. That small "Y" point certainly throws the track geometry out. Iv'e spent a couple of hours using Anyrail trying to designs options to eliminate or reduce the dreaded "S" curve. The only viable option I came up with is to run the Up line along the front of the TMD and the Down along the back track where the tankers usually are stored.
There are probably prototype precedence's where this happens.
You would still have your Head Shunt and both lines would do reverse movements into the TMD and can be signaled for these movements. Everything else on TMD remains unchanged.
Regards Gary (Models Australia Victoria V/Line era)
Hi Gary, thank you so much for your efforts. This dilemma has been bubbling along in my mind for quite some time. CZcams is a tremendous asset for folks to contribute and I am very grateful.
Regards Charlie
Love your videos and your layout and I’m sure your valley will be spectacular once done but I’m not 100% sure on your track plan in that area. I suspect that those 2nd radius curves (which I’m guessing will be covered) are going to give you no end of derailments and by putting the viaduct bang in the middle of that short edge and making it symmetrical it may end up looking toy like. I’d butt the viaduct right up against the left side and make the valley “lop sided” against that wall, then move the double junction further over to the left so you don’t need that 2nd radius S bend to join the double track main line. Maybe even consider a proper sweeping double junction from Marcway and keep it out In the open?
Some great points thanks but I don’t understand Marcway?
I’ve spent quite sometime on the track plan and I think that I have a way forward part of which you have indicated.
I hope that you’ll be pleased at the outcome.
Regards Charlie
Chadwick Model Railway Marcway is a Sheffield based company that do custom pointwork. They can make you a proper double junction where the cross over rails on the diamond junction are curved all the way through like the prototype rather than curved on the point, straight on the crossing then curved again on the other side. marcway.net/point.php
Looking good Charlie. Checked out some Luke Towan vids. That guy is one heck of a modeller!. Cheers.
Yes he’s a modelling god.
As usual Charlie, a superb video. Just a thought, why not bring the two right hand points and crossing nearer the vidauct or just as it comes off the viaduct, put a corner piece in and then you can cut down on the double bend leading into the old Chadwick or move the old Chadwick back a bit?.
Good points Terry. I will move the points closer to the viaduct as much as the point motors will allow.
i love his channel Luke
Yes Brian, he’s a true master.
I subscribed Luke Towan long time ago, great scenery maker and an artist in realistic building. I am also curious about your experience in making realistic water.
Hi PvL, I have made water once and it was okay but not wonderful.
Next time, I hope for better.🤞
Did I see strike a pose during time lapse? And yes Luke Towans channels great!
Yes you did, unless you blinked.
@@ChadwickModelRailwayI'm sure many will reference "walk Like an Egyptian", but I suspect the real inspiration lies elsewhere. Wilson, Kepple and Betty springs to mind, (which frankly I'm far to young to even know about.)
Seems to be all coming together really well , love the idea of steep banks down to the river , very realistic . I'm thinking the single level , but wider fiddle yard is a great idea . Isn't Luke Towan amazing ?
Great comments Graham and yes Luke is a modelling god.
Luke Towans channel is very good for tips
Totally agree Brian
Hallo Charlie , you could make a few big holes in the board under the hilside so you can reach the tracks .
Now that’s a fair point Bert, thanks.
I am using for my tracks under the layout an open construction with strips of board about 3 inch wide for single track . Greetings.
Been following Luke for a while and he is very good. Loved the Wilson, Kepple and Betty sand dance during the backscene application. One question, you appear to have a broad plan for the layout but you also seem flexible when things are not quite as they seem, the purists would pour scorn on this as not "being cricket old boy". I have never been able to understand that attitude as surely things are never perfect and would need tweaking even for the best planners. Another wonderful video. Thanks Frank.
Hi Frank, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the video.
Yes I always think it best to constantly re-think your design as you go.
There is no shame in getting it wrong and correcting as you go.
We are only human.
Good luck with your layout.
Regards Charlie
Ive got rid of all my double slips due to poor running of the 0-3-0's over them. I didn't want to use the fine scale electrofrogs, I don't understand why Peco don't make electrofrogs in code 100
I had the same problem so I put a “stay alive” in my 0-6-0 shunter.
An access point through the bookshelf might be useful to encorporate? It might negate the need for a large lift out section?
Now there’s a thought that never occurred to me.
Thanks mate.
I like the idea that you got pretty cool I think when you're done is going to look awesome I do have a question though the backdrop where did you say you got that from is that look like that was a 4 x 5 or 8 sheet that looks pretty big to be able to cut down to what you need and the glue that you use was that like wallpaper paste
Hi, the backscene was from
art-printers.com
It comes in 5ft lengths but in various heights.
Jon, the owner is very accommodating.
Give him a ring and I’m sure that he will sort out what you require.
I used solvite wallpaper glue both to size the wall and on the paper.
Regards Charlie
Nice video Charlie. Are you going to change the TMD board or keep it as a depot. NIce Dad dancing!
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it David and yes it will remain as a TMD board.
up road and down road
Okay, I’ve got it Brian. 😀
Great video Charlie and very informative as usual. One question I have is what track base on the viaduct have used. I’m in the throes of relaying my layout and want a viaduct but wondered about the track base.
Hi Steve, I’m pretty sure that I used thin blue foam, sold in sheets, which I bought from Hobbycraft. Regards, Charlie
Thanks Charlie
Noyice that this time you pasted the back-scene and not the wall. Did it go better for you?
Yes I think pasting the back scene went better but the wall had been sized previously.
the tracks are called roads in real time
Then I stand corrected.🙁
Another great video, Charlie but who was the mystery guest who appeared after a minute and a half?
That was my good lady giving me a helping hand.
I had an idea that it might be the boss popping in but thought that she was either coming in to quality control your work or else find some of the equipment that you have “borrowed “ from her own craft room or the kitchen. Keep up the good work, Charlie!
hello , i have a question . the rails you are using are from the UK but are the HO scale or ? because i live in the netherlands and we have fleishmann and roco and piko . but with your railroad yunctions you can put the motor under the table . so that is why i am wandering if its HO scale because they look like the real railroad .
Hi Warren, the rolling stock produced in the UK, by Bachman’s, Hornby, Dapol etc, is OO scale with HO axels. I think that this has come about through years of HO track production and now it’s too late to change the track to the correct scale.
@@ChadwickModelRailway so i could make a railroad layout with this and still use my HO trains ???
Most certainly Warren.
Hi try lukes aps for water scenes
I have watched with great envy.
Charlie you built a 1st radius curve on your TMD, what size is a half circle m8?
Hi, I’m away from home currently but I recall the board is 36 inches wide and it has a a couple of inches spare. It’s roughly 34 inch diameter, 17 inch radius.
@@ChadwickModelRailway Im done with N gauge charlie, too many running problems so im going to switch to OO, did you have any running issues with any of your locos on 1st radius? thanks pal.
I only run diesels so I can’t comment on steam locos where I imagine there would be real problems.
Only a warship had issues running but if I turned it around the snag disappeared.
Please check out my very first video.
Sadly you will rename your channel too!
@@ChadwickModelRailway Thanks charlie! all my locos will be modern diesels
Grab one of these charlie, theyre cheap and you can do loads too them like add lighting inside and outside, its a basic model but with some work it can look fantastic! would be great on your tmd czcams.com/video/f8lQ6lfr5gA/video.html
Then you haven’t seen my TMD video!
@@ChadwickModelRailway Dont say youve already got one and i havent noticed? bloody ell eh, ive watched that video like 5 times, and it was because of your TMD it inspired me to build one myself!